March Wheels Mag CGI's of Orion Falcon

[Dilan]

And some sort of grill/intake on the bonet?

[nang3]

Is that an intercooler I spy in the front cutout of that last pic?

fark i hope its a bomber intercooler - the current F6 one looks cut in half :cussing:

i hope they release a new phoon with better plumbing, bigger IC and the boost cranked up to about 12.. just enough to sell it as a 400fwkw car and would leave plenty of headroom for mods..

[TriShield]

If it ends up looking like a muscular Mondeo I wouldn't call that a bad thing.

[jas_the_ace]

Front headlights look similar to the BF ones.. IMO

[Road Warrior]

Similar...but different. Think of the morph/transition between VZ to VE (ie the fundamentals of the styling are similar, but the cars look completely different, if that makes any sense. Something to do with the corporate look/styling direction). I'm wagering that this is what they are trying to do with the BF to B? transition. Its the safe option as opposed to a radical change like they did with a certain fugly car they released about 10 years ago :rolleyes:

[jas_the_ace]

True that, good to see that they learned from that. That front mount intercooler (if it is one) looks bloody huge though.

[BadMac]

News from AFF Forum.


Just some information that has come to hand.

"Huntsmen"
*Codename of new ford car after Orion is "Hunstmen" already being worked on and developed.
*Orion development finished and development on "Huntsmen" is in full swing.
*"Huntsmen" scheduled for 2011-2012

"Orion"
*Trying to get Orion on sale by the end of the year if there are no further delays
*The Orion looks like a five series bmw
*Same Turbos Garrett 35/40's remain
*Turbo engines will be available in more models not just xr6t
*Interior in Orion a huge improvement better instruments
*There will be turbo lpg models available

"ZF"
*ZF will come standard in all car ranges in the Orion.
*Ther will be ZF suspension and diffs for Orion
*Water Cooler being developed as we speak for the ZF in melbourne, so no more limp mode after long squirts or track days as highway patrol have had many problems.

[Danv8]

Interesting
Might put the ordering the VE SS-V on hold and see how the new Falcon is.

[muzza]

Mmmmm - turbo LPG engine in an XR6 (or whatever) - could be a good choice for the next car if they get their act together with packaging the gas tank properly........

[Holden Man]

No mention of the V8 being upgraded. Looks like they feel the turbo is their performance engine.

The VE was supposed to look like a 5 series aswell (which it does a little)

Turbo Fairmont anyone ?

End of the year is quicker than they had initially said. Maybe they are feeling the pinch with the BF2.

[jas_the_ace]

No mention of the V8 being upgraded. Looks like they feel the turbo is their performance engine.

The VE was supposed to look like a 5 series aswell (which it does a little)

Turbo Fairmont anyone ?

End of the year is quicker than they had initially said. Maybe they are feeling the pinch with the BF2.

Think they are feeling the pinch mate. Didn't Holden sell double what Ford did last month?

[Road Warrior]

No mention of the V8 being upgraded. Looks like they feel the turbo is their performance engine.

The VE was supposed to look like a 5 series aswell (which it does a little)

Turbo Fairmont anyone ?

End of the year is quicker than they had initially said. Maybe they are feeling the pinch with the BF2.

And apparently the 3v V8 is being dropped too...

[muzza]

'bout time they ditched the 3v boat anchor.

What a piece of primitive cast iron it is......:stick:

[vecommo]

News from AFF Forum.
Just some information that has come to hand.

"Huntsmen"
*Codename of new ford car after Orion is "Hunstmen" already being worked on and developed.
*Orion development finished and development on "Huntsmen" is in full swing.
*"Huntsmen" scheduled for 2011-2012

"Orion"
*Trying to get Orion on sale by the end of the year if there are no further delays
*The Orion looks like a five series bmw
*Same Turbos Garrett 35/40's remain
*Turbo engines will be available in more models not just xr6t
*Interior in Orion a huge improvement better instruments
*There will be turbo lpg models available

"ZF"
*ZF will come standard in all car ranges in the Orion.
*Ther will be ZF suspension and diffs for Orion
*Water Cooler being developed as we speak for the ZF in melbourne, so no more limp mode after long squirts or track days as highway patrol have had many problems.
I think that whole list is a complete crock of shit that somebody dreamed up. Even the guys on the ford forum seem to think so.

[geary]

"*The Orion looks like a five series bmw"

BS.

[plonkerchops]

"*The Orion looks like a five series bmw"

BS.

yes well so much for the 'fresh ' look ( as opposed to the supposed done to death VE look) that various ford forums have bleated on about over the past while:rolleyes:

[VEL_070]

I definately don't like the look of that new Ford. The guys at Ford need to get a little more creative I reckon.

Fords... Pffffft

[Ghia351]

I definately don't like the look of that new Ford. The guys at Ford need to get a little more creative I reckon.

Fords... Pffffft
LOL, how can anyone judge a fake plastic panelled and covered body....oh that's right it's still a Ford....

[BadMac]

LOL, how can anyone judge a fake plastic panelled and covered body....oh that's right it's still a Ford....


The funny thing is, you go to the Ford Forums and there are planty of people creaming themselves about how good it looks and I have never seen a single person pull them up because you can't tell as its all plastic and silicon. Yet as soon as anybody says anything negative, your comment is always pulled out in defense and the person is labelled as a Holden fanboy/troll.

Personally I'm reserving judgement but I hope its a very good looking car. Holden have restarted the large car market and Ford need to join in an continue the momentum, else they will both go down the toilet.

[Ghia351]

The funny thing is, you go to the Ford Forums and there are planty of people creaming themselves about how good it looks and I have never seen a single person pull them up because you can't tell as its all plastic and silicon. Yet as soon as anybody says anything negative, your comment is always pulled out in defense and the person is labelled as a Holden fanboy/troll.

Personally I'm reserving judgement but I hope its a very good looking car. Holden have restarted the large car market and Ford need to join in an continue the momentum, else they will both go down the toilet.
I beg to differ, if you read through most the crap you will find some posts on other's "looks judgements" whether positive or negative as a waste of time for now when you're commenting based on heavily cladded vehicles...funny how you act more Ford-friendly on FF and Holden-friendly on here...I don't post on AFF.

[Danv8]

The funny thing is, you go to the Ford Forums and there are planty of people creaming themselves about how good it looks and I have never seen a single person pull them up because you can't tell as its all plastic and silicon. Yet as soon as anybody says anything negative, your comment is always pulled out in defense and the person is labelled as a Holden fanboy/troll.


But of course :)
I rarely visit or post in AFF anymore you cant really have a difference in opinion because you will be damned by some of the posters.

[Ghia351]

But of course :)
I rarely visit or post in AFF anymore you cant really have a difference in opinion because you will be damned by some of the posters.
Plus when someone first joins any forum their passion overtakes big time, usually after a decent period of membership you mellow, laugh at most and only join in when it's worth the effort.

[BadMac]

I beg to differ, if you read through most the crap you will find some posts on other's "looks judgements" whether positive or negative as a waste of time for now when you're commenting based on heavily cladded vehicles...funny how you act more Ford-friendly on FF and Holden-friendly on here...I don't post on AFF.


Funny how I currently have both a VE R8 and a BF XR6. Funny how I've owned 4 Commodores and 4 Fords in my life. Funny I "Act" Ford friendly on a Ford Forum but thats where I go to discuss/debate Ford issues. Funny I act Holden Friendly on a Holden forum, but thats where I come to discuss Holdens. Anyway its all good. Each to their own and back on topic.

[Ghia351]

Funny how I currently have both a VE R8 and a BF XR6. Funny how I've owned 4 Commodores and 4 Fords in my life. Funny I "Act" Ford friendly on a Ford Forum but thats where I go to discuss/debate Ford issues. Funny I act Holden Friendly on a Holden forum, but thats where I come to discuss Holdens. Anyway its all good. Each to their own and back on topic.The point is not what you drive. I actually chose a $10K more expensive work vehicle over the equiv. Ford, doesn't mean I'm any more biased or objective, maybe just a little poorer. Fanboy denigration is not forum specific, it's how the mods control it that makes the difference.

[EfiJy]

I definately don't like the look of that new Ford. The guys at Ford need to get a little more creative I reckon.

Fords... Pffffft

mate thats contsrtuctive. i like to see the look on your face when the orion is revealed. it will make the ve look bland, yes i have seen the orion.:bow:

[Fnomna]

it will make the ve look bland, yes i have seen the orion.:bow:

Does that include the base model too? Or is the difference not so great compared to the sporty/luxo models?

[korrupt]

The July edition of Motor magazine has a few new spy photos and a new cgi of their 'impressions'. Very similar to the new Mondeo. Front end looks ok, but the side looks a bit off still. No rear guesses.

[HSVMAN]

mate thats contsrtuctive. i like to see the look on your face when the orion is revealed. it will make the ve look bland, yes i have seen the orion.:bow:

Have you seen the next phase VE due out about the same time though.....

[Holden Man]

Does anyone know for sure that there will be "Orion" ute ?

[Ghia351]

Have you seen the next phase VE due out about the same time though.....With the greatest of respect how would anyone apart from Melbourne styling and R & D engineering teams have seen anything yet or are you more then a salesman in NZ? :stick: Seriously though, isn't it just cosmetics, say nose and tail treatment refresheners as I couldn't imagine anything being done to profile, doors and hard points?

[Road Warrior]

Considering the VE is going greatguns I cant see them doing any major changes to the car (like front and rear 1/4 panels for starters).

I reckon the main changes to the VE will be technical and mechanical.

[BadMac]

Heres the latest shots, 2 models, some side on.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3058/latest-ford-falcon-orion-spy-shots/

A teaser (copid without permission).

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/orion_caradvice_1_1280 small.jpg

[EddieVE06]

Gee doesn't look at all impressive. seems to still have some major rear and front overhang, cant explain it but looks pretty plain imo.

[_MetalliX_]

From what I've seen of the car in spy shots and the renderings, it looks a lot like the new Mondeo.

[Road Warrior]

Gee doesn't look at all impressive. seems to still have some major rear and front overhang, cant explain it but looks pretty plain imo.

Yeah the overhangs, especially the front seems too large.

[HSV271]

shhhhhh, listen, you can hear the POS rusting from here!!!!

[HSVMAN]

With the greatest of respect how would anyone apart from Melbourne styling and R & D engineering teams have seen anything yet or are you more then a salesman in NZ? :stick: Seriously though, isn't it just cosmetics, say nose and tail treatment refresheners as I couldn't imagine anything being done to profile, doors and hard points?

I would say yes it will be "cosmetic" from what I have been told. However I am also told the new look of VE (or VF) will be very sharp and give it a rather impressive lift. Isnt that all it will need anyway?
My comment was relating to Efiji's statement about Falcon making VE look bland, which of course means nothing if VE is getting a smarten up which could include front guards but thats all speculation really.

My suspicions on Orion seem to be correct going by the rather large overhangs in those pictures. All in having to keep the same floor plan naturally.

Yes I am more than just a salesperson :)

[BadMac]

Gee doesn't look at all impressive. seems to still have some major rear and front overhang, cant explain it but looks pretty plain imo.

The front has some major padding to make it look long and hide the lines. It works because it looks verrrrrrry long.

Heres a comparo I threw together. the small one on the right is from an Orion being unloaded in thr US, its go much less camo, and looks much better.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/comparo.jpg

[V-Car]

Would i be correct in thinking that the CarAdvice white car above is LHD?

[Holden Man]

They still kept the "bubble" in the middle (like they put a grenade in there and shut the doors!). How much BA will still be in it ?

[HSVMAN]

They still kept the "bubble" in the middle (like they put a grenade in there and shut the doors!). How much BA will still be in it ?

From the looks quite alot

[Fnomna]

Caught testing
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40669&vf=2
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/06/05/06falcon1_m_m.jpghttp://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/06/05/06falcon2_m_m.jpg
Bet the full size shots have gone to a mag

BadMac, your comparo is interesting and does show a huge difference in overhang.
Keep in mind that there is a big difference between a telephoto shot and a close-up shot.
The long focal length shots will always make objects in different depths of the frame seem to look closer to real size.
The close-up short focal length shots will make objects closer to the camera seem bigger than objects further away.

For the shot you have of the BA/BF, the length of the car at the point closest to camera (ie. length along the driver's side of the car) will seem slightly longer than the length of the car at the grille centre (ie. length along the centreline of the car).
It's hard to explain without a telephoto shot of a BA/BF, but if we had one, you'd see more of the headlights and grille and the car overhang would look longer at the grille point.

What I think I'm trying to say is that if the shot of the Orion was a close-up shot, it would look like there's less overhang.

To do a direct comarison, what we really need is to see under the camo to determine where the overhang stops - on the driver's side:
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/orion_overhang.JPG
then the focal length and slight differences in perspective don't come into play.

[Holden Man]

How big is the side mirror ?!

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/17964/2000525800845304526_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000525800845304526)

[Fnomna]

Actually, if I adjust the levels of the pics of the grey and white cars, you can see a bit better but still can't be sure because of camo:
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/orion_caradvice_5_561.thumbnail.jpeghttp://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/orion_caradvice_7_554.jpg

[Road Warrior]

Would i be correct in thinking that the CarAdvice white car above is LHD?

Noone knows but its probably RHD because the rear view mirror is facing the way it would/should for a RHD car.

Apparently Ford AU send cars stateside for testing quite often.

[Goggles]

How big is the side mirror ?!



I suspect that mirror is fake - otherwise the mirror designer in F**d needs to put my coke bottle glasses on, and go back to deisgner school.

[BadMac]

I suspect that mirror is fake - otherwise the mirror designer in F**d needs to put my coke bottle glasses on, and go back to deisgner school.

Its taped up to hide the indicators in it.

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/us orion post sized.jpg

[korrupt]

Is that a hi-res picture of the car Ford sent to America? I think it was on Carpoint or Carsales.

That one is a lot less taped up than the others. Can clearly see the new C pillar and the style of the lower doors.

[Holden Man]

Nice find BadMac

1. Looks a little camryish here. The guards aren't flared like the VE but more like Aurion / Camry. (I like VE better - more muscle)

2. I like the scalloped doors (they look nice)

Window (DLO) area looks similar to BA/BF

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/17609/2004888396189513483_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004888396189513483)

[jas_the_ace]

Tell you what.. looking at those recent spy shots, i reckon the CGI's from the Wheels magazine (first page of this thread) aren't too far off!

In my opinion, could be wrong.

-Jas :eyes:

[Tony Kendal]

The only good thing looks like the rims. The front is very old style with the large overhang. the more modern stylist has ( like gmh on the VE ) have chopped it off.
Sorry, I have an SSV and not likely to go over to the 'dark side' just for the nice blaack chrome wheels.

[NODDY347]

How anybody can make a judgment on whether they'll buy red or blue from the few ordinary pics of fully camouflaged car has got me stuffed. Wait till you see the finished vehicle in the flesh, if I had made the same comments on the VE when it was in a similar state of release I would now look like a goose.

The only thing I can really say that I dislike so far is it looks like instead of moving the rack forward like GM have done in the VE (5inches) it seems that they have enlarged the wheelbase by moving the rear axle further back. If they are going to stick with the physically large boss motor it would pay to move it as close as possible to the firewall and to mount it further behind the steering rack, like the VE and the 07 Mustang.

I remember reading somewhere that the V8 VE has close to a 50:50 weight distribution; correct me if I’m wrong.

[Mr Moosh]

Until release I was thinking the VE was gonna be an ugly bucket of crap... hell even those helicopter shots of the VE being tested with no camo made the car look shocking. Proportions looked all out of wack, and styling looked freakin weird. And now we all know how beautiful the VE is and its proportions are killer. So... Orion is gonna look crap until we see official photos

[Holden Man]

Tell you what.. looking at those recent spy shots, i reckon the CGI's from the Wheels magazine (first page of this thread) aren't too far off!

In my opinion, could be wrong.

-Jas :eyes:

I agree that they would have the basics right.

If you remember the white CGI's of the VE in Wheels, and how we all thought there is no way it would look like that...well it turned they were pretty well spot on !

[BadMac]

Latest images from caradvice.com.au.

More on the site and an article.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/3107/2008-ford-falcon-ute-and-xr6-turbo-sprung/

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/orion_ute_caradvice_2_1238_thumbnail.jpg

Towing a fully loaded trailer hence sag in rear (heat tests?)
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/orion_caradvice_8_1280.jpg

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/orion_caradvice_9_full_thumbnail.jpg

[V-Car]

Like i said on the page before this yesterday, i still reckon some of these cars are LHD, which could point towards exports, and possibly a replacement for Crown Vic's.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/orion.jpg

With all their excess capacity at the moment, a few US cop car exports could be very welcome. ;)

[michaels1v8]

Thanks for those pics Badmac. I dont think it looks half bad to tell the truth. Something I could definately get use to. :thumbsup:


I guess we will find out next year when released what exactly it will be like in the flesh....

I thought the VE was ugly when looking at the chops and spy photos going around and now I :drool: everytime I see one!

[Ghia351]

Like i said on the page before this yesterday, i still reckon some of these cars are LHD, which could point towards exports, and possibly a replacement for Crown Vic's.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/orion.jpg

With all their excess capacity at the moment, a few US cop car exports could be very welcome. ;)..unless the photo is mirrored....

[V-Car]

..unless the photo is mirrored....

Then wouldnt the fuel filler be on the side closest to camera instead of the regular Falcon position on the passenger side as in this other spy pic?

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/orion1.jpg

[BadMac]

Like i said on the page before this yesterday, i still reckon some of these cars are LHD, which could point towards exports, and possibly a replacement for Crown Vic's.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/orion.jpg

With all their excess capacity at the moment, a few US cop car exports could be very welcome. ;)


Your chop lost a little of the detail, go back to my origianl of the larger car, you can see the hood over the instruments is on the right and a line running to the passenger side which will be the dash. Therefore this car is RHD. My understanding is that Ford have not taken up the $100M grant from the goverenment to reengineer Orion for LHD export, so unless its a skunkworks project, LHD isn't happening.

[falconlover]

Whens geary gunna have his chops in!!! I wanna see them now!

[geary]

They're talking soon for my chops. Maybe the end of the week.

[lowriding]

some of it looks promising ,but nothing revolutionary in any way. Ford have always been so tight as a company,what are going to be like now they are broke /less US money coming in ? look for de-featuring even over outgoing BF is my tip . even the camo is half assed , i can make out virtually every detail in the rear and even ray charles can see the front is clearly mondeo as are the scalloped doors.What are they hiding ? Even the rims are a direct steal . As i said expect some dollar saving shortcuts throughout

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/orion_caradvice_9_full_thumbnail.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2006/09/2007-Ford-Mondeo-Sedan-TOP.jpg

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/orion_overhang.JPG

[smokiebbear]

Here we go the latest from wheels. Actual footage of them testing in the desert for anyone interested.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Scoop:+2008+Falcon+caught+on+video.html

enjoy

Matt

[Fnomna]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3211/2008-ford-falcon-orion-interior-and-gt-exposed/

[michaels1v8]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3211/2008-ford-falcon-orion-interior-and-gt-exposed/

Thats a great site! thanks :thumbsup:

[Black_Utester]

I couldn't find it in a search.

However, Wheels have reported a scoop with a vid of the alleged Orion doing dust testing at You Yang proving grounds.

Check it out.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Scoop:+2008+Falcon+caught+on+video.html

[falconlover]

Hey Geary whats with drive there taking ages for the chops of the orion to come out!!! Grrrrrr...

[geary]

Hey Geary whats with drive there taking ages for the chops of the orion to come out!!! Grrrrrr...

Lol. Here goes:

Drive shots have been delayed again (for a number of weeks) but we've made a considerable breakthrough. Sorry fellas.

Out of my hands, and I'm as happy as you are, but I know it'll be worth it because of the level of detail we have.

[Alex(AUS)]

Lol. Here goes:

Drive shots have been delayed again (for a number of weeks) but we've made a considerable breakthrough. Sorry fellas.

Out of my hands, and I'm as happy as you are, but I know it'll be worth it because of the level of detail we have.

Can you just post it for us on this "private" website? :D Geez ... I just want to see it.

Alex

[BlackCalaisVVE]

new ford ute testing http://www.caradvice.com.au/3107/2008-ford-falcon-ute-and-xr6-turbo-sprung/

[rs2000]

new ford ute testing http://www.caradvice.com.au/3107/2008-ford-falcon-ute-and-xr6-turbo-sprung/
here's a video of the orion ute.thanx to hamo at faf.

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/xrfpv8/?action=view&current=20062007049.flv

[Fnomna]

There is talk that there will be new pics available this afternoon from 3.30
http://www.caradvice.com.au/3641/2008-ford-falcon-orion-ute-interior-spied/

Also possible that uncovered shots are in the hands of a car site and they are checking out legalities before possibly putting them up.

[vecommo]

I've been hearing a lot of hype about the Orion's interior and how it will be 'so much better than the VE's'. Well judging from those pics it looks like a dogs breakfast to me, the centre stack with its high mounted screen looks like its straight out of a Toyota Prius.

[Holden Man]

Bit hard to tell anything form those pics.

[BlackCalaisVVE]

Seems like they have been trying to copy ideas from Holdens VE with Similiar buttons and dash screens

[McobraR]

Looks pretty good. Still trying to get used to the high mounted screen but ford seems to be goin all out with the Orion design wise. Just compared the interior with that of SSV... Orion interior has more curves, the SSV just looks plain flat, and as some peeps have stated, looks sbit similar to the BA/BF centre console with more buttons.
Still early times i guess, i might actually hate the interior, hoping its nothin like the AU. :spew:

[X BC X]

interior - not bad from what i can see, definately an improvement.

headlights look interesting, and the bonnet on the gt looks bad ass.

the only thing i can fault so far is the whole 'stretched' look front of
the a-pillar....just makes the whole front end look awkward imo.


bc

[chrism697]

I cant understand people who come on here and say "the new (insert commodore or falcon here) has such and such features and ***** headlights" etc etc
people who do know, would not post sh*t like that here, unless they are seriously stupid......its easy to loose your job over that sh*t (rightly so)
I have also seen plenty of people on here make out that they are "insiders" and be TOTALLY wrong about what they CLAIM to know.

not naming anyone in particular but i just felt like having a rant

[Alex(AUS)]

I cant understand people who come on here and say "the new (insert commodore or falcon here) has such and such features and ***** headlights" etc etc
people who do know, would not post sh*t like that here, unless they are seriously stupid......its easy to loose your job over that sh*t (rightly so)
I have also seen plenty of people on here make out that they are "insiders" and be TOTALLY wrong about what they CLAIM to know.

not naming anyone in particular but i just felt like having a rant

I am not condoning anything (although I am keen to see it) but there is virtually 0 chance you would be caught. Just think about it ... how exactly are they going to find out who you are if you were smart about it? There would be 100s of people that know the ins and outs by now and this is the internet. Unless you were stupid (in which case your job wasn’t too safe anyway) and posted information that would identify you, you have bugger all chance of being busted ... I mean what are they going to do ask LS1.com.au for you name and address and who are your friends and relatives :D

Alex

[Fnomna]

Also possible that uncovered shots are in the hands of a car site and they are checking out legalities before possibly putting them up.

Seems it's only more CGI
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41502

Looks very BA/F from the rear:confused:
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon2_m_m.jpghttp://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon1_m_m.jpg
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon3_m_m.jpg

[HSVMAN]

Looks very BA/F from the rear:confused:

Personally I quite like that but not the Ute. Anyway that is not what they look like ;)

[Road Warrior]

That ute pic is a chop/alteration of a pre-existing media release photo of the BA ute when it was released.

[Fnomna]

Anyway that is not what they look like ;)

Yeah - I'm sure the real thing will have a side indicator on both sides, not just the left! :rofl:
And I'm pretty sure they won't be putting the fuel filler back behind the rear number plate!

[V-Car]

These CGI images are becoming very tiresome.
They are nothing more than what someones 'opinion' of what they 'think' Orion 'might' be like.
I sincerely hope the people doing them arent being paid to do these renderings!
Its probably the same mob that used pics of the Saturn Aura, and said it was the new VE.

[BadMac]

These CGI images are becoming very tiresome.
They are nothing more than what someones 'opinion' of what they 'think' Orion 'might' be like.
I sincerely hope the people doing them arent being paid to do these renderings!
Its probably the same mob that used pics of the Saturn Aura, and said it was the new VE.


It was a member of this Forum "Geary", he's very talented and was the one who did the most accurate VE CGI's. From what I understand he has seen Orion, and these were surposed to be published a while ago, but there were some difficulies (speculation is that Ford tried to stop them being published). And further, they are the most accurate so far, the rear around the bootlid and number plate isn't quite right, the flares are a little too large and the front lights are close but different enough to be wrong. Overall the shape is right, the C pillar change is accurate.

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Like some others have said, I will wait for its release before I pass judgement. One thing about the CGI, where is the quad head light setup on the xr6? :confused:

[Danv8]

Seems it's only more CGI
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41502

Looks very BA/F from the rear:confused:
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon2_m_m.jpghttp://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon1_m_m.jpg
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/06/06Falcon3_m_m.jpg


I wonder if Ford fans are going to complain that it looks very europeanish like they did with the VE design?.

[Ghia351]

It was a member of this Forum "Geary", he's very talented and was the one who did the most accurate VE CGI's. From what I understand he has seen Orion, and these were surposed to be published a while ago, but there were some difficulies (speculation is that Ford tried to stop them being published). And further, they are the most accurate so far, the rear around the bootlid and number plate isn't quite right, the flares are a little too large and the front lights are close but different enough to be wrong. Overall the shape is right, the C pillar change is accurate.
So how did you get the rear 3qtr shot as an avatar in your AFF account before they were released online?

[BadMac]

So how did you get the rear 3qtr shot as an avatar in your AFF account before they were released online?

Sorry I've been away, 600km's in my R8, 900Km in a BF XR6 and 300Km in a Territory. Have to say, can't wait to see Terri suspension in Orion, but until then R8 is well ahead (my opinion, everybody elses may vary, good on them).

Anyway, to answer your question. It was a bit of a stir actually, Geary sent it to me earlier in the week. I put it up as an avatar (scaled back) to see if anybody noticed. One person on AFF did on the morning of release and 2 people on FAF did immediately (out of all the people who want any Orion news!!!). Very interesting to see the comments and reactions, yes there are a couple of areas that are off, but I can tell you in the main its pretty good, although some critical elements which do effect the overall impression are wrong (Geary was that delibrate? Did you make a couple of changes to appease others and keep some mystery??? or do you want some advice on which bits to change?).

[BadMac]

Heres a new chop from a guy with the handle "The Stylist" from AFF. Its rated about 8/10 in terms of it closeness to the final product.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/jdesign/E8Falconb.jpg

[kayman]

badmac, if thats close i might... just might have to change loyalties... :O

I think that looks pretty shmick!

[Road Warrior]

Well one thing I will say is the dude that did that sure has some talent.

[Ghosn]

From those chops so far, I think the new falcon looks promising.

[`redoctober]

Subaru front, VE side, Monaro boot top and BF rear.

Not that promising imo.

[Alex(AUS)]

Heres a new chop from a guy with the handle "The Stylist" from AFF. Its rated about 8/10 in terms of it closeness to the final product.

I am sooo sorry ... the guy who did this did a fantastic job ... top effort. I really liked the look (even though the back is twisted in the pic). So, I asked my wife what she thought and she looked at it for 1 second and said ... "it looks like a VT" ... then I thought about it for a bit and thought ... she is semi right ... that looks like a VX Acclaim!!! One quick look on carsales and;

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/jdesign/E8Falconb.jpg

http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/7308638.jpg

and a real one to compare;

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/april2007/1-may30-falcon.jpg

Therefore, I must get the obligatory Holden Forum joke which goes something like this ... "oh, geea, I didnt think Orion would improve so so much from BF ... they are already up to VX standards with Orion" .... noooo just kidding. I really wish Ford and the Orion project the best of luck.

Sorry again,

Alex

[HSVMAN]

Heres a new chop from a guy with the handle "The Stylist" from AFF. Its rated about 8/10 in terms of it closeness to the final product.

Gidday Mark
At first glance very nice. If its 8/10 I hope for their sake the wheel base is corrected (rear wheels too far forward) and the arse end looks all wrong. otherewise a nice effort by a talented person.

Ruapehu looks good too....

[chrism697]

Subaru front, VE side, Monaro boot top and BF rear.

Not that promising imo.
not really, actually not at all. the side is totally different to that of VE except for those handles, that boot is nothing like monaro at has a totally different angle. I could point out so many differences

I find it so retarded every time there are some renderings of an upcoming model people always say stuff like that, remember VE photoshops before they came out, so many people said crap like "oh its just an Audi front end with a blah blah blah" of course some parts of the car are going to resemble other cars.

and why is it red that every time somebody posts something from somebody other than a forum member here you always shitcan it? even though id say that is a LOT better than a lot of the stuff that gets posted here that look very amateur compared to that particular rendering

that is a good rendering.

[Drewie]

I like it, very nice.

[Freaky]

I am sooo sorry ... the guy who did this did a fantastic job ... top effort. I really liked the look (even though the back is twisted in the pic). So, I asked my wife what she thought and she looked at it for 1 second and said ... "it looks like a VT" ... then I thought about it for a bit and thought ... she is semi right ... that looks like a VX Acclaim!!! One quick look on carsales and;[Alex

I'm squinting real hard, how does that look like a VT, the lines are nothing like it.

Anyway, if its close to that can't wait to see it in the flesh. Looking very suave.

[`redoctober]

and why is it red that every time somebody posts something from somebody other than a forum member here you always shitcan it? even though id say that is a LOT better than a lot of the stuff that gets posted here that look very amateur compared to that particular rendering

that is a good rendering.
Hate to burst your bubble but I've been into the Digital Art scene since I was 12, if I like something you'll know about it. If I don't, I won't pretend that I do.

Higher standards, I'd say.

Artistically it's very well done. As for proportionality and the style of it; I really don't like it.

[HSVMAN]

Hate to burst your bubble but I've been into the Digital Art scene since I was 12, if I like something you'll know about it. If I don't, I won't pretend that I do.

Higher standards, I'd say.

Artistically it's very well done. As for proportionality and the style of it; I really don't like it.

I have to agree, its all out of balance and the wheel base doesn't match. If that was in real life it would look horrible

[chrism697]

my mistake i thought it was the rendering itself you didnt like, i misread your post.

as for the quality of the rendering, it is much better than most of the images that get thrown around,

And as for my standards being lower, i dare say its actually the opposite.

[Ghosn]

Subaru front, VE side, Monaro boot top and BF rear.

Not that promising imo.

You don't think the VE was mixed and matched with other brands?


Therefore, I must get the obligatory Holden Forum joke which goes something like this ... "oh, geea, I didnt think Orion would improve so so much from BF ... they are already up to VX standards with Orion" .... noooo just kidding. I really wish Ford and the Orion project the best of luck.

Sorry again,

Alex

It looks NOTHING like a VX. OPSM for you. :)

[Road Warrior]

http://proxy.tcimages.net/DisplayImage.aspx?PD=16581545&S=ISS

[X BC X]

:eek: explain that road warrior..........

reminding me more and more of an ef falcon from each spy pic/chop

[lowriding]

it does appear more commodore-ish than ever before . I think the C pillar is much more similar now. I can see what you mean with the VX comparison ,in profile, but i think with in the flesh it won't be the case.

[ExAreSix]

Hate to burst your bubble but I've been into the Digital Art scene since I was 12, if I like something you'll know about it. If I don't, I won't pretend that I do.

Higher standards, I'd say.


Wow. That's impressive.
No, wait, you're 17. You're a life noob... :rofl:


Anyway, if the C-pillar/boot looks like anything in that render, it's a Merc CLS. Hmmm, Merc CLS... Not to everyones taste, but damn I love that car.
Nice rendering btw. Looks good.
But frankly, I don't know why people rate renderings. If it's not a pic of the real thing, then it's NOT A PIC OF THE REAL THING. :confused:

[ti0350]

I am sooo sorry ... the guy who did this did a fantastic job ... top effort. I really liked the look (even though the back is twisted in the pic). So, I asked my wife what she thought and she looked at it for 1 second and said ... "it looks like a VT" ... then I thought about it for a bit and thought ... she is semi right ... that looks like a VX Acclaim!!! One quick look on carsales and;
Alex

Thats funny I just showed my wife and she said the same thing it looks like a VT must be a woman thing..

[Alex(AUS)]

Thats funny I just showed my wife and she said the same thing it looks like a VT must be a woman thing..

Thats it ... everyone ask their wives/girlfriends to take a look.

Alex

[`redoctober]

Wow. That's impressive.
No, wait, you're 17. You're a life noob... :rofl:
So people aren't allowed to pursue their passions because you class them as "life noob's"??

Crawl back into the hole you came out of.


You don't think the VE was mixed and matched with other brands?
I do think so, but on the whole the VE has a bit of individuality about it. I'll reserve my proper judgement for the final product.

Until then I wish Ford the best of luck, they can't afford to go belly up here, if they do, what incentive do Holden have to make their products better? None.

[Belzey]

Thats funny I just showed my wife and she said the same thing it looks like a VT must be a woman thing..


I am a woman and I in no way at all see VT in it.. I see some BMW for some reason and Aurion at the front.

[michaels1v8]

I do think so, but on the whole the VE has a bit of individuality about it. I'll reserve my proper judgement for the final product.

Until then I wish Ford the best of luck, they can't afford to go belly up here, if they do, what incentive do Holden have to make their products better? None.

I have to disagree there. With the VE chops werent people screaming about how it had BMW guards and Audi front or something like that?... I think with chops they got to use parts from other cars as a model of what a feature should look like. Plus its pretty much a natural instinct to compare something you see for the first time with something old that you have seen before...

IMO most chops do look like a mix of other cars and the VE was no exception...


The chops of the new Falcon are starting to look pretty decent compared to what we saw at the start of this thread... Lets hope for Ford and Holden fans that the Falcon is a hit and looks the goods.:) Too many jobs would be lost if the falcon is a failure

[Alex(AUS)]

I am a woman and I see ... Aurion at the front.

Oh yeah, Ford fans are gonna love that ... that has to be worse than VT :D

Alex

[chrism697]

So people aren't allowed to pursue their passions because you class them as "life noob's"??

Crawl back into the hole you came out of.

no body said you cant chase your dreams, just dont be arrogant about it,
i have seen stuff you do, and its pretty good for somebody with a relatively small amount of experiance.......and yes although you say "you have been doing it since you were 12" your only 16 or 17. so dont get ahead of yourself.

[Nobby]

Oh yeah, Ford fans are gonna love that ... that has to be worse than VT :D

Alex
Aurion is a resonably handsome car, only problem with it is it's souless and the 'power' comes out the wrong end.

[Road Warrior]

Aurion is a resonably handsome car, only problem with it is it's souless and the 'power' comes out the wrong end.

...and its a Toyota :rofl:

[Alex(AUS)]

Aurion is a resonably handsome car, only problem with it is it's souless and the 'power' comes out the wrong end.

I dont particularly like the front ... the back isnt too bad ... but for some strange reason I prefer the camry back (with no wing) more. The camry front is an absolute shocker.

Alex

[korrupt]

:eek: explain that road warrior.....

Explained here... (http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/2735724.aspx)

[`redoctober]

no body said you cant chase your dreams, just dont be arrogant about it,
i have seen stuff you do, and its pretty good for somebody with a relatively small amount of experiance.......and yes although you say "you have been doing it since you were 12" your only 16 or 17. so dont get ahead of yourself.
I'm not trying to be arrogant about it, but I was lashing back at the fact he thinks I have no life because I've been 'too busy' chasing my dreams.

[Ghosn]

I have to disagree there. With the VE chops werent people screaming about how it had BMW guards and Audi front or something like that?... I think with chops they got to use parts from other cars as a model of what a feature should look like. Plus its pretty much a natural instinct to compare something you see for the first time with something old that you have seen before...

IMO most chops do look like a mix of other cars and the VE was no exception...


The chops of the new Falcon are starting to look pretty decent compared to what we saw at the start of this thread... Lets hope for Ford and Holden fans that the Falcon is a hit and looks the goods.:) Too many jobs would be lost if the falcon is a failure

Correct and let's not forget the head guys at Holden have already admitted they have 'borrowed' design ques off other europeon cars for the VE.


Aurion is a resonably handsome car, only problem with it is it's souless and the 'power' comes out the wrong end.

As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you, Im starting to like it more times i see it :hide:

[V-Car]

I'm not trying to be arrogant about it, but I was lashing back at the fact he thinks I have no life because I've been 'too busy' chasing my dreams.

I wouldnt have thought he meant you had no life, but rather, that as a child of 17 you may by all means chase your dreams....but you still have a few years to go before you can truly be arrogant about your 'life' experiences, achievments and abilities.

[payaya]

Wow. That's impressive.
No, wait, you're 17. You're a life noob... :rofl:


Anyway, if the C-pillar/boot looks like anything in that render, it's a Merc CLS. Hmmm, Merc CLS... Not to everyones taste, but damn I love that car.
Nice rendering btw. Looks good.
But frankly, I don't know why people rate renderings. If it's not a pic of the real thing, then it's NOT A PIC OF THE REAL THING. :confused:

Thats what I think too! CLS! I love it!

[Angelo_XLR8]

and why is it red that every time somebody posts something from somebody other than a forum member here you always shitcan it? even though id say that is a LOT better than a lot of the stuff that gets posted here that look very amateur compared to that particular rendering

that is a good rendering.

his renderings have been pretty great. and when you look at id say he is a pretty good benchmark. he can only get better.


Hate to burst your bubble but I've been into the Digital Art scene since I was 12, if I like something you'll know about it. If I don't, I won't pretend that I do.

Higher standards, I'd say.

Artistically it's very well done. As for proportionality and the style of it; I really don't like it.

it looks like it has a bit of a twist in the middle. its certainly out of proportion tho. it had some accurate elements like the door scalloping.


Wow. That's impressive.
No, wait, you're 17. You're a life noob... :rofl:



yes but id say he is pretty 1337 at graphics


Thats it ... everyone ask their wives/girlfriends to take a look.

Alex

yeh all the femms in my house say VT lol

[Alex(AUS)]

yeh all the femms in my house say VT lol

See, if that picture is accurate, Ford must not have consulted many females. I mean what happens if it comes out and it somehow reminds most females of a VT??? I think secretly Ford people have the VT burned in their memory from the AU troubles. I can just see it, they all would have been thinking ... dahm this AU we should have built a VT, we should have built a VT, we should have built a VT .... and then Orion comes along and they subconsciously build one in a femanine way :D

We need to spread the research; ok everyone ask their daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers, friends etc.

We may be onto something here ...... or not.

Alex

[payaya]

I wouldnt have thought he meant you had no life, but rather, that as a child of 17 you may by all means chase your dreams....but you still have a few years to go before you can truly be arrogant about your 'life' experiences, achievments and abilities.

WRONG!!! I believe if your capable of expressing and thinking in a more mature manner then go for it!

Refer to the below clip just an example. Put in the hard yards while your young and reap the rewards!

YouTube - Spelling B champion is an ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0zQpM3_K0)

[FocusRsCosworth]

See, if that picture is accurate, Ford must not have consulted many females. I mean what happens if it comes out and it somehow reminds most females of a VT??? I think secretly Ford people have the VT burned in their memory from the AU troubles. I can just see it, they all would have been thinking ... dahm this AU we should have built a VT, we should have built a VT, we should have built a VT .... and then Orion comes along and they subconsciously build one in a femanine way :D

We need to spread the research; ok everyone ask their daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers, friends etc.

We may be onto something here ...... or not.

Alex

First of all there is no VT design in the Orion Falcon whatsoever, because it seems you have no idea what the car looks like just and truthfully the car has alot of european styling and looks absolutely spectacular from what insiders tell me....Maybe these Females, who drive Holden Vehicles will become loyal to Ford :rofl: You havent seen anything yet buddy boy :smilesandbanana: Maybe its time you traded in your ride?. :cool::)

[kayman]

First of all there is no VT design in the Orion Falcon whatsoever, because it seems you have no idea what the car looks like just and truthfully the car has alot of european styling and looks absolutely spectacular from what insiders tell me....Maybe these Females, who drive Holden Vehicles will become loyal to Ford :rofl: You havent seen anything yet buddy boy :smilesandbanana: Maybe its time you traded in your ride?. :cool::)

I can see where some may say there is some VX.

You should see it in the Rear lights. In particular the indicator location, size and shape.

Its the same thing when people saw renders or early grainy pictures of the front of the VE. With the taller headlights they were taken, by the non-enthusiast, to be similar to falcon headlights... So therefore in there mind it looked like a falcon.

You and I on the otherhand probably laughed at there stupidity because we could tell exactly what it was.

[motomk]

I have split the latest stuff onto a newer thread.

Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=79670)

[Big_Valven]

All Ford V Holden aside,
Wheels got it wrong with the look of the VE and I am tempted to think they have it wrong again. As usual they are photochopping a small car from the same brand to look like a big one and in reality Holden didn't get a photocopier and hit "enlarge" from the Torana concept to the VE and I really doubt Ford will do that either.

How about they spend their time reviewing cars that actually exist.

[BadMac]

I have split the latest stuff onto a newer thread.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=79670

Permission to use this cleaned out thread instead? The other one has packed in. Or maybe we should close both and have a new one titled "Ford Orion news, opinions and reactions"

[motomk]

Permission to use this cleaned out thread instead? The other one has packed in. Or maybe we should close both and have a new one titled "Ford Orion news, opinions and reactions"

er it is still going
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=79670&page=6 ???