Is HRT gone?

[shep1dav@bigpon]

Heard a rumour tonight on Sydney Radio Stn 2UE that Mark Skaife has failed to prove to TEGA that he is the owner of HRT. Accordingly, HRT will not be able to compete in this years V8 Supercar Series until the team has a new and independent owner. The report went onto say that TEGA has given Skaife till the start of the W.A. Race in about a week and a half to get a new owner.

shep.

[COOKIE!]

Who knows mate, i hope its not the case though

[Invasionss]

HHHMMM & what if true!

How such words used years ago maybe if true bring down a very successful Holden team! Ford fans would have struck "GOLD"!!!

But if Skaife isn't the owner, why did he say he was the owner & if he is the true owner, why is Skaife holding back ownership info?

Tax Reasons?

Will be interesting to see what comes from all of this!

[Alex81]

Its on www.v8supercars.com.au and it states the decision will be made by TEGA, just before the next round, and looks like skaife may still own HRT, as they said the paper work was supplied by skaife sports

[X BC X]

i can for-see this..... :idea:

- all getting sorted before barbagallo
- hrt clear to race
- other teams crying bloody murder
- and ford boys whinging about it til the end of existence......along with the dick johnson bathurst rock.

[EXCESSV]

i can for-see this..... :idea:

- all getting sorted before barbagallo
- hrt clear to race
- other teams crying bloody murder
- and ford boys whinging about it til the end of existence......along with the dick johnson bathurst rock.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
spot on

[wldvt2]

yeah i cannot see tega kicking HRT out for the simple reason that HRT brings so many fans into the sport. if HRT left the sport would lose alot of money i imagine.

[MARRA]

This weeks Auto Action it says thay Skaife has provided the documents & now TEGA are going through them.

[brentonsav]

skaife will be fine...
i doubt very highly whether tega would let him fail the test, as much as it is showing to be big and macho in the media...
hrt brings many to the races, and v8supercars wouldnt be what it is without a holden factory team in red paint

[Toddler78]

skaife will be fine...
i doubt very highly whether tega would let him fail the test, as much as it is showing to be big and macho in the media...
hrt brings many to the races, and v8supercars wouldnt be what it is without a holden factory team in red paint


I kind of disagree, regardless of how good the team is and whether it would lead to the end of V8 supercars, there are rules in place and tega qwill follow them other wise they will be accused of being biased they are definatly not gonig to turn a brind eye or cover something up just to save HRT.

I for one think that HRT have nothing to lose and will be on the grid ready to line up, there is too much at stake and I dont thing any team is about to risk exclusion from a series for any reason, there is too much sponsorship money at stake also I think that the sponsors could probably in turn sue HRT for loss of income or exposiore of their product as they have been deceitful.

EDIT: I think what will be the outcome is that the ownership issue is probably not to far from the truth/what is being aleged but HRT has found a loop hole to be able to do it within the current rules All big businesses do the same bend the rules to help themselves and I think this is probably the case.

[dazzle260]

whether you agree or not, Tom Walkinshaw owns that team, regardless of what the paper work says. Walkinshaw is a clever bloke and will find a way around it, not complaining though cause HRT are a major part of avesco. the worst that will hapen to HRT in my opinion will be loss of points and a fine....IF anything happens. as i said walkinshaw is clever.

[Glubbo]

If you're brave, have a look at the 'neutral' forums out there, the Ford Fans have been complaining ever since this thing got big a few months back. The word 'cheat' has been thrown around a lot, and by the time HRT grid up at Barbagello, they'll be singing it in unison.

As I said in the previous thread about this issue, if HRT is proven to have actually 'cheated', I would be kinda disappointed and sad in them. I don't know what this is being 'defined' as. But I'm really wishing they had of done it all legit.

The really sad thing is that I don't know if the truth will ever come out of this.
Let's have a proper owner by the next round. I almost don't even care who it is!

[gsw]

As a Ford fan I want to make one point, I don't want HRT out of the series. It is not just the Ford side that is complaining as recently Greg Murphy and Garry Rogers have been more vocal than anybody. If HRT have broken the rules a penalty such as starting at the back of the grid for a few races would be fitting. This issue has been around for years and it is about time it was put to rest. My only question is the Kelly's could put the paperwork up straight away so why could HRT not? The sooner they get rid of TW the better in my opinion.

[womsv8]

I thought that the HSVDT was cleared? Then why does skaife have to prove ownership if HSVDT has already done so? I thought the dispute involved both teams being owned by one person (or company).

[goofafidamedes]

I thought that the HSVDT was cleared? Then why does skaife have to prove ownership if HSVDT has already done so? I thought the dispute involved both teams being owned by one person (or company).

The dispute seems to be centering on whether the nominated owner of HRT (Skaife) is actually the owner (or effective owner).

TEGA want to know who controls the licences they issue to teams to compete in V8 Supercars. If they don't want someone to compete, they will withdraw their licence. I think they want to know if Walkinshaw owns the team - if he does, game over. If Skaife does, life goes on.

[WLDLS1]

skaife had to prove he owned it when it first went up for sale and he did prove it. they let him race for how many years now. tom only supplies. mark owns.
he will be ok.

[hRTHSV]

I think the problem is not who actually owns it, i'm pretty sure Skaife does. But the owner/entrant from my understanding of the complaint (Team FORD) is that the owner /entrant must have control of the team ie final say. I recall reading about 2 years ago that Skaife hired Walkinshaws group whatever it was called at that time to run the team so he could drive. That's the difference between HRT and HSVDT, Margaret and John KELLY run HSVDT themselves with their own management that's why they were cleared. Remeber all the cars come from the same place so that's my understanding of the difference. Skaife has to prove that he has the final say, which one would expect he does. I suppose we'll see.

[holdens4ever]

I Just wish they would get on with it and let everyone concerned (including us fans) know where HRT stands:deal: :deal:

[Pickles]

Uncle Tom is very shifty-he knows all the "moves". I remember Brock saying that when they raced Group A in Europe he couldn't believe how one of Toms
3.5 litre Rovers could absolutely blow his 5 litre commodore off in a straight line!--"within the rules". I know that's not the same thing we're talking about here, but all the same I reckon he is the cause of the problem, & that, in this case, he has tried to "bend" the rules again. Having said that, I reckon he'll outsmart TEGA, & the problem will go away. I don't like the man, & I don't know why Holden persist in being involved with him.
Cheers, Pickles.

[SS Sportswagon]

Just piss walkinshaw of

[emjasnat]

HRT is cleared to race. TEGA cleared them.

[CV8UTE]

Just saw it on the news, they are cleared!!

[Glubbo]

Fingers in your ears, here comes the Tirade from a big slice of the Ford community and maybe even a few Holden Team Principals.

[Carby650]

Just saw it on the news, they are cleared!!

Just checked both the V8 website and foxsports and nothing there !!

[EXCESSV]

surprise surprise....HRT cleared....:lol:

[ratty05]

I just read it on the V8Supercars website, but when they say agreed in principal to a financial settlement, does that mean they have been fined?
And yes, get ready for all the shite from blue oval fans. In the end does it realyy make a rats freckle who owns the thing? Is it that different to the 'technical alliance' the ford teams shre with either 888 or stone brothers?
You know what, while I'm having a rant, get over the Rick Kelly thing! I don't know the guy from a bar of soap but from what I've seen of him on TV, he hardly seems like the guy who would punt someone off intentionally (I think that guy's name was Ambrose and he left). While on Ambrose, am I the only one who noticed his favourite passing manouvre was the mid corner tap, not enough to spin the opponent but enough to ruin their run out of the corner, then drive on by?
I have to stop now, my blood pressure monitor just went off!

[Goggles]

link to official news:
http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/latestnews/newsdisplay.asp?Ind=&author=&gid=32660416

[Carby650]

Can somebody put this into plain english?
Have they been fined or paid a new licence fee?

[98Club]

I think the financial settlement might be between TW and Skaife to make sure Skaife is in proper ownership and control of the team.

[moose]

A 'financial settlement'? Kinda like a bribe? :lmao:

[CV860L]

A 'financial settlement'? Kinda like a bribe? :lmao:

That's exactly what it is.......like all business, money can solve all your problems whether it's illegal or not.

I bet a smaller team without the financial backing to pay their way out would have been given the boot months ago.

[GOL51]

HRT is cleared to race. TEGA cleared them.

That's great! They sure took their time! Somthing tells me we'll hear a lot more about this though, especialy anytime they win a race!

Let's just get on with the racing:driving:

[Tubbie]

Seems to be somewhat resolved now according to the v8 supercar website with hrt able to compete this year.

[hoon69]

I just read it on the V8Supercars website, but when they say agreed in principal to a financial settlement, does that mean they have been fined?
And yes, get ready for all the shite from blue oval fans. In the end does it realyy make a rats freckle who owns the thing? Is it that different to the 'technical alliance' the ford teams shre with either 888 or stone brothers?
You know what, while I'm having a rant, get over the Rick Kelly thing! I don't know the guy from a bar of soap but from what I've seen of him on TV, he hardly seems like the guy who would punt someone off intentionally (I think that guy's name was Ambrose and he left). While on Ambrose, am I the only one who noticed his favourite passing manouvre was the mid corner tap, not enough to spin the opponent but enough to ruin their run out of the corner, then drive on by?
I have to stop now, my blood pressure monitor just went off!you said it and here it is just for you because your so devoted to sticking it to the ford guys
http://www.fordforums.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=27708
see didnt take long did it


btw difference between 888 SBR and ford teams utilisingthose engines is they OWN their teams OUTRIGHT! they disclosed ALL information and FORD didnt pay TEGA OFF to stay in the GAME.

that clear enough for you ;)

p.s rick is old new HRT is now on everyones lips atm :serenade:

[moose]

I suppose all ford teams are legit and all holden teams are shonky as well right? Get over it.

[hoon69]

you see any ford teams being investigated?

rest my case :werd:

[Devil CV8]

you see any ford teams being investigated?

rest my case :werd:

maybe holden should run lightweight body panels and shells like ford have. no punishment then because ford threatened to pull out......

that said, all teams, both ford and holden cheat (cheat=interperate the rules to suit themselves)

[seldo]

I don't care which side of the fence you are on, TEGA needs to come out and explain what has really happened to clear the air for all the followers so we can clarify in our own minds whether in fact there has been some"cheating" or just a technical breach of the rules which has no real impact other than on TEGA's wallet.

[Marty05]

:driving: Ok lets see,
1 - I whole problem didn't start because HRT or HSVDT broke any rules. So Fords boyz get ur info right be4 u start cryin and callin cheat.
2 - Its part of the contract for all teams to have a licence and control provisions. All this is subject to approval by TEGA. This is what the problem was about. :teach:

As Skaife Sports owns the licences which HRT runs on, there will be no problem, the problem came about because Skaife Sports also owns part of HSVDT, Tho it isn't enough to be a controlling party. (An investment if u wish)
The second part was about who owned and controlled the cars which both HRT and HSVDT where using. As most people know Tom Walkinshaw owns the cars and leases them to the teams and supplys some personnal to maintain theses engines. :thumbsup:
So to all the Fords boyz cryin cheat. All theses things are within the rules TEGA operates under. And the fact that HRT and HSVDT where checked this time means anybody can and will be checked under the rules of TEGA. Which is what TEGA is there to do, not just make money from V8Supercars :driving:

[Chappy]

Who give a shit about Ford or Holden teams let just get to the racing this will all sort itself out I am sure.

Two-bob Tom turns up and now we have all this rubbish going on.

Send the pommie scammer back to England, oh! That’s right they don’t want him there either after his fiasco and horrific depts, sending racing teams broke over there.

Ok send him to Europe, on wow can’t do that either he has worn his welcome out over here to with his shonkie deals.

Looks like we are stuck with him here, and his antics.

Anyway let’s get the show on the road.

[hRTHSV]

I happened to run into Tom on a HRT gargage tour at Adelaide, after he apologised for taking a tour guide away for some Holden people (which is fair enough, they pay the bills) he asked what we thought of the new car. I said I thought the fluro orange (yeah I know it doesn't look like it on TV) reminded me of the Brock VK, it really didn't look like he liked that comment, he spent mega bucks trying to beat that car in 1984 with John GOSS and it all ended on the start line. He just has that look, I wouldn't like to be on his bad side in business. I guess Auto Action this week will tell us what happened and who paid who and why.

[seldo]

Who give a shit about Ford or Holden teams let just get to the racing this will all sort itself out I am sure.

Two-bob Tom turns up and now we have all this rubbish going on.

Send the pommie scammer back to England, oh! That’s right they don’t want him there either after his fiasco and horrific depts, sending racing teams broke over there.

Ok send him to Europe, on wow can’t do that either he has worn his welcome out over here to with his shonkie deals.

Looks like we are stuck with him here, and his antics.

Anyway let’s get the show on the road.
What do you really know about him?
I suspect - bugger-all

[hoon69]

if you need to take your time to get the info right then theres def something shonky going on.

if your 100% legit you'd hand over your crap and not need to worry but as this took time and did end with a penlty aka fine then yeah

suspicious regardless and no wonder everyone thinks theres something going on..

[Bazza76d]

What do you really know about him?
I suspect - bugger-all

Fully agree, seeing he is from Scotland and not a pommie at all. Maybe a little more research would be wise before posting crap. Also someone else once said on here that TW has done a lot more for Holden, HSV etc than anyone else. Why don't we concentrate on the positives hey!! And by the way of course Ford fans are going to whinge about the HRT situation, that is their right because they support the lesser team, but who cares as long as the racing is good and the sport is fair and equitable lets enjoy....

[mgygto]

I thought the thread name was "Is HRT gone?" .... well the answer is NO ..... unless you are one of the Ford teams following it on the racetrack LOL

[goofafidamedes]

Interesting to see the reported "why?" of the whole saga...

Link to Carpoint (http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2442182.aspx)

Walkinshaw owned 50% of Skaife Sports eh? Ah well, can't say that TEGA weren't sharp on the matter.

Or were they tipped off? :doh:

[hRTHSV]

That was very interseting reading thanks for the link. It's a pity Auto Action didn't cover the story like that.

[Chappy]

What do you really know about him?
I suspect - bugger-all

What do you know about me?
I suspect - bugger all as well and yet you presume you do.

Look at the facts read and you will broaden your horizons, there is more to Two-Bob Tom that people realize and time will tell.

The sun shines in the sky not out of Two-Bob-Toms rectum.

[seldo]

What do you know about me?
I suspect - bugger all as well and yet you presume you do.
Look at the facts read and you will broaden your horizons, there is more to Two-Bob Tom that people realize and time will tell.
The sun shines in the sky not out of Two-Bob-Toms rectum.
I made no comment about you except to query what you actually knew about Walkinshaw, which I suspected, and still do suspect, is bugger-all.
You are very quick to heap it on him but have put forward nothing to support your slander. I'll be interested to hear what he's done that makes him such a nasty piece of work in your eyes. (Apart from being MD of Arrows F1 which went broke - meh...so what - does that make him the piece of crap that you are suggesting?...) :)

[Chappy]

I made no comment about you except to query what you actually knew about Walkinshaw, which I suspected, and still do suspect, is bugger-all.
You are very quick to heap it on him but have put forward nothing to support your slander. I'll be interested to hear what he's done that makes him such a nasty piece of work in your eyes. (Apart from being MD of Arrows F1 which went broke - meh...so what - does that make him the piece of crap that you are suggesting?...) :)

Cast your memory back to Phillip Island 2006 and the words he use to Kelly and the orders he gave the other drives.

He made his point very clear of his intensions before the race.

Also cast your mind back when he ran Jag's at Bathurst and his antics

Ask yourself why he is hated so much in England and Eroupe.

Anyway he is here now and time will tell how he behaves.

cheers

"In the beginning God took 5 day to create Holden, on the 6th day he created HSV and the 7th day he refined his work to create the R8 Clubsport."

[goofafidamedes]

I would have thought any "goss" on Mr Walkinshaw would have come to light already due him being based in Australia for a solid period of time now and let's face it, Australia is the land of tall-poppy syndrome. Well, the cutting down of tall-poppies at least.

The guy has obviously contributed a lot to Australian Motorsport through his involvement in the end of Group C, through Group A and then into the series which became V8 Supercars. (Besides his time in F1, during which if i'm not mistaken he kept a close eye on operations in Oz) If he's taken away some too then I can't be one to judge him, coz let's face it you don't get that deeply involved in that level of motorsport just to have fun. (not to take anything away from those that do compete at that level just for fun)

To my naive eyes, in this case of HRT vs TEGA, it would seem that nothing malicious was being done, it's just that in the course of doing business Walkinshaw was paid for services rendered with a share in Skaife Sports.

Am I not reading enough into it??? (ie. could Walkinshaw have been in the middle of a long-ish process to re-acquire control of HRT?)

[seldo]

Cast your memory back to Phillip Island 2006 and the words he use to Kelly and the orders he gave the other drives.

He made his point very clear of his intensions before the race.

Also cast your mind back when he ran Jag's at Bathurst and his antics

Ask yourself why he is hated so much in England and Eroupe.

Anyway he is here now and time will tell how he behaves.

cheers


What...so the fact that he is a very very clever, thorough, professional motor racer who likes to win, is good at doing so, and is well paid to do so....that somehow makes him the subject of the shellacking you've given him? BTW - all the examples you have given have absolutely zero detail, so they're not worth jack....What words did he use at PI....? What were his awful antics at Bathurst with the Jags...? Who said he's hated in Eng and EU...apart from you?
Mind you - I don't see anyone who is very successful in almost any field of endeavour who has a great fan-club. Most of them tread on a few toes to get there, but it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. It's just when you won't accept failures you upset a few along the way....Usually those who try to take short-cuts or can't cut the mustard...

[SS Enforcer]

What was wrong with the Jags ?? oops that's right they won and placed and probably could have had a 1st 2nd and 3rd if not for some bad luck with glass getting into the intake. Maybe it was the strapping of Gossies seat that was the problem.

cheers

[gsw]

Not over yet. Walkinshaw is the problem and like I said before the sport and HRT is better without him.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2457426.aspx

[Knight Phlier]

I guess this is only an issue cause HDT / HRT are doing so well this year. TEGA should have sorted this crap out before the start of racing this year, why have they only started to investigate it now?

[S man]

I guess this is only an issue cause HDT / HRT are doing so well this year. TEGA should have sorted this crap out before the start of racing this year, why have they only started to investigate it now?


Because it was bought to there attention by another Holden team. I think it was GRM, or mabe Perkins. Im not sure.
This issue is over three years old.
It stems back to the Skaife buying out HRT of Uncle Tom for 10 million bucks.

Now there was no deal at all & it was a sham as was first thought. So dont think Ford had anything to do with this.
The trator is in the home camp.

In which time Tom has been leasing everything to Skaife
[cars transporter workshop the lot] & wants his three years of lease paymants, which is big dollars, all of which Skaife is denying, & says he owes Tom nothing. Thats why there is bad blood between those two. In the intrem the two now state the each own 50% of HRT.
Now poses a whole lot of other questions..

I can see this getting a whole lot worse before it gets better, & dont be at all supprised if Tom shut down HRT all together before the end of the year.
He will just lock them out of the premisses, he has that right as the leasor.

One of the worse things to come out of this, is the fact Todd Kelly is the man that will loose his drive/job.

Remember Skaife stalling on signing him because he thought he had Courtney? Only when he found out Courtney went with the SBR deal did Skaife sign the deal with Todd.
How do you think it feels to be a second choice. Todd could have had the drive with FPR, but said he would wait to see what Skaife was doing. In hindsight he should have gone with the 3 year deal at FPR.. Nice guys finish last & I think in this case its Todd. Which I say is a real shame, he dosen't deserve that, as he is one of the best drivers[& nicest guys] in the sport.
Very dirty stuff going on behind locked doors, & Tom has his hands in it all.

[Chappy]

Uncle Tom or what every he is called seems hell-bent on the destruction of the HRT and Skaife Sports.

Weather Skaife Sports owes the multi million dollars or not this isn’t good for one of the top racing teams in Australia or the sport.

This needs to be sorted out before it goes much further and ends up in a major debungle. “can’t say Shit Fight in here”

As for Tod Kelly yer I do feel sorry for him I personally think he is a great drive and a great mentor for the sport and the better of the Kelly gang, but Tod also hang off signing the deal with the blue oval boys (FPR) and waited for the HRT, sometime in life you make decisions that you end up regretting lets hope Tod hasn’t in this case.

Why has “Tom the Terrorist” leaving this till now if its 3 years old that doesn’t sounds like the shrude business man he is suppose to be, and as for Skaife Sports owing 10 million to “Tom the Terrific” and Tom and Skaife owning 50% each that to make it a little hard to believe.

I wonder what the hidden agenda is that “Tom the Turkey” has up his sleeve?

Can it be this is a very cunning scam to undermine Skaife and taking over the control of HRT and making a final step to have his own racing team in Australia after all he has had plenty of practice with devious deals over seas.

As I have said before wait and see how Mr. Tom Walkinshaw plays his hand and the affects on motor sport in Australia.

Here's another Uncle Tom antic he has going this man is a buity he has deals with every team.

Like I keep saying YOU GOT TO WONDER!
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Dispute threatens Volvo's C70
Bob Jennings, 23/03/00

The immediate future of production of the Volvo C70 coupe and convertible is clouded as a result of a deadlocked dispute between Tom Walkinshaw's TWR group and the Ford-owned Volvo Car Corporation.
The immediate future of production of the Volvo C70 coupe and convertible is clouded as a result of a deadlocked dispute between Tom Walkinshaw's TWR group and the Ford-owned Volvo Car Corporation.

The dispute is over costings at the loss-making AutoNova plant at Uddevalla, where workers were told to down tools a fortnight ago as a result of the dispute.

An offer by Volvo to take full control of the AutoNova plant from TWR has been turned down, Volvo disclosed this week.

Swedish reports say that rejection of the bid by Walkinshaw could eventually lead to liquidation of the plant, in which Volvo Car owns 49 percent and is the sole customer.

Volvo had offered 100 million Swedish crowns ($19 million) for TWR's 51 percent stake in AutoNova, and would take responsibility for the plant's accumulated losses.

AutoNova lost more than $60 million in 1998, the last year for which figures are available.

"We are very disappointed that this offer was turned down. Tom Walkinshaw came back on Tuesday afternoon with a price for his shareholding which was at a level we were not even able to discuss," a Volvo spokesman said.

Good on you Uncle Tom here is another business for your to stuff up.

[mgygto]

One of the worse things to come out of this, is the fact Todd Kelly is the man that will loose his drive/job.

Remember Skaife stalling on signing him because he thought he had Courtney? Only when he found out Courtney went with the SBR deal did Skaife sign the deal with Todd.
How do you think it feels to be a second choice. Todd could have had the drive with FPR, but said he would wait to see what Skaife was doing. In hindsight he should have gone with the 3 year deal at FPR.. Nice guys finish last & I think in this case its Todd. Which I say is a real shame, he dosen't deserve that, as he is one of the best drivers[& nicest guys] in the sport.
Very dirty stuff going on behind locked doors, & Tom has his hands in it all.

You couldn't be further from the truth on this and the facts around when Courtney actually comitted to SBR and when HRT committed to Todd. There were no major surprises or dramas around any of this.

[S man]

You couldn't be further from the truth on this and the facts around when Courtney actually comitted to SBR and when HRT committed to Todd. There were no major surprises or dramas around any of this.

Oh ok I'll let the guys know there was no suprises or dramas.
Im glad someone is on top of all this..But I would love to know were your infomation comes from?
Do you work for a race team?

[csv rulz]

I remeber when all the courtney Tkelly stuff was going on. Skaife said he would go for the best possible driver for the team which he then decided that was Tkelly. He never said he wanted courtney over Tkelly

[mgygto]

Oh ok I'll let the guys know there was no suprises or dramas.
Im glad someone is on top of all this..But I would love to know were your infomation comes from?
Do you work for a race team?

No I do not work for a race team at all but I do know James Courtney and was with James when he was at Bathurst with HRT as well as when SBR, Ford and James were talking about moving to Ford. If you want to keep writing fiction about this then head off to a different forum but don't hop on here and keep pretending you have inside information - it does nothing for the forums at all.

[S man]

Sorry It must be tough being right all the time.:teach:

[seldo]

Sorry It must be tough being right all the time.:teach:
Having facts and information from the horse's mouth is far better than just heresay...

[mgygto]

What...so the fact that he is a very very clever, thorough, professional motor racer who likes to win, is good at doing so, and is well paid to do so....that somehow makes him the subject of the shellacking you've given him? BTW - all the examples you have given have absolutely zero detail, so they're not worth jack....What words did he use at PI....? What were his awful antics at Bathurst with the Jags...? Who said he's hated in Eng and EU...apart from you?
Mind you - I don't see anyone who is very successful in almost any field of endeavour who has a great fan-club. Most of them tread on a few toes to get there, but it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. It's just when you won't accept failures you upset a few along the way....Usually those who try to take short-cuts or can't cut the mustard...

agree ... he rubs a few people up the wrong way .... most of them deserve it .... the end of the day his group build the best V8 supercars in the country and his custom work on Joe Public Holdens is brilliant ..... if only any one of us on this forum could be so successful!!

[JBB]

JC did not sign with HRT because they wanted to put him in the Development series for a year to get to know the tracks. SBR however, gave him the chance to drive in the main series for more or less the same money.

T Kelly's delayed signing was due an offer apparently made to him by Perkins. All details needed to be sorted through, and thats what took the time. IMHO, if JC had stayed with HRT, Skaife may have hung up the helmet.

[mgygto]

JC did not sign with HRT because they wanted to put him in the Development series for a year to get to know the tracks. SBR however, gave him the chance to drive in the main series for more or less the same money.
Sorry but there was NEVER EVER a consideration that James run in the development series for a year , and that was definately not the reason he signed with SBR.

[seldo]

Sorry but there was NEVER EVER a consideration that James run in the development series for a year , and that was definately not the reason he signed with SBR.
...hehe...maybe he should have done a year in the development series...it was an expensive learning curve for SBR..;)

[goofafidamedes]

...hehe...maybe he should have done a year in the development series...it was an expensive learning curve for SBR..;)

Didn't he spend as much time (if not more) spinning or in the wall as what Rodney Forbes used to? :shiner: /goof ducks

[mgygto]

...hehe...maybe he should have done a year in the development series...it was an expensive learning curve for SBR..;)

hehe yes very true


Didn't he spend as much time (if not more) spinning or in the wall as what Rodney Forbes used to? :shiner: /goof ducks
yes but Rodney was always good at running into other cars as well ..... I'm sure Max Wilson is a re-incarnation of Rodney !!!

[JBB]

Mygto, it was reported in both AA & MN. It was also discussed on the now defunked V8 superstars. A fair fabrication if it was un-true?

[mgygto]

Mygto, it was reported in both AA & MN. It was also discussed on the now defunked V8 superstars. A fair fabrication if it was un-true?

It was untrue. Did you ever hear James say it? No. Did you ever hear Mark Skaife say it? No. And you wont. Because its not true.

[hsv andrew]

this is the biggest smoke screen in v8supercars ever!