And it begins - VE "too quick"

[MARRA]

In todays Auto Action, Ford Racing Boss has warned that the new VE Race Car may be too quick after dominating in Perth on the weekend & that TEGA will have to look at to over the next couple of race meetings to ensure that both cars are equal......

[Veeate]

Easier just to let the Ford teams run a VE. That will slow the VE down.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[jas_the_ace]

lol at ^^^ comment haha

[GTS LSA]

Didnt hear Fraud whinging for 2003 / 2004 / 2005 when they appeared to have a distinct advantage:cussing: :werd:

[r8cluuby]

good stuff!!! haahah poor ford!!!



Easier just to let the Ford teams run a VE. That will slow the VE down.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[SS Enforcer]

Didnt hear Fraud whinging for 2003 / 2004 / 2005 when they appeared to have a distinct advantage:cussing: :werd:


Exactly but this what I don't like about V8 supercars, TEGA basically decides who wins. It's not Ford Vs Holden cars anymore its supercar with Holden badge Vs supercar with Ford badge. Bring back Group C .

cheers

[shane W Z]

sounds to me that ford can't handle that the natural order of things is coming back IE ford losing.

[CarlFST60L]

Imagine what would have happened if they allowed the VE supercar to adopt the true wheel base :lmao:

As far as i am aware, they are the same supercar as last year with diffrent panels.. No other updates to do with the VE, just normal upgrades to the race car

[goofafidamedes]

Exactly but this what I don't like about V8 supercars, TEGA basically decides who wins. It's not Ford Vs Holden cars anymore its supercar with Holden badge Vs supercar with Ford badge. Bring back Group C .

cheers

Amen.

Design better, lighter production cars. Throw a cage in, then race them on the weekend. If it sends you broke, don't play the game. Take up marbles.

[EddieVE06]

Funny that, was thinking that on Sunday, so not only is the VE a chopped up car to fit a smaller wheelbase but ford also got a new aero package to help with downforce etc etc.

Enjoy it while it lasts Boys coz F%RD will get their way. Little Mummy's boyz

[james22]

It doesnt make a lick of difference anyway. These cars share nothing in common with the road going fords and holdens.

[EXCESSV]

Didnt hear Fraud whinging for 2003 / 2004 / 2005 when they appeared to have a distinct advantage:cussing: :werd:

thats for sure.

for fcuks sake if they cant have there way then they just whinge...
seriously when the BA was killing the VZ it was all good....now that holden pull out the VE which is chopped up to be the same wheel base they whinge...

anyone told the ford boys its the same running gear underneath....

ford should just stop waisting sooooo much time complaining and sh1t and instead work on making there cars handle better and drive quicker :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:

or maybe look at Steven Johnson...his Ford is doing alright!...
Wouldnt Steven Richards be pissed he went to the dark side now...

[clixanup]

Amen.

Design better, lighter production cars. Throw a cage in, then race them on the weekend. If it sends you broke, don't play the game. Take up marbles.
Well said.

Race the cars as bought. Not some bare shell with a vague resemblance.

[nqcv8]

Exactly but this what I don't like about V8 supercars, TEGA basically decides who wins. It's not Ford Vs Holden cars anymore its supercar with Holden badge Vs supercar with Ford badge. Bring back Group C .

cheers

I second that motion.... Group C was awesome :teach:

[WhiteLion]

Imagine what would have happened if they allowed the VE supercar to adopt the true wheel base :lmao:


Would they still fit the Ford diff and front uprights in??

[nqcv8]

Would they still fit the Ford diff and front uprights in??

There is nothing Ford in them... the Diff is based on a 9" design ...none of the components are Ford in it, manufactured by Harrop and such...
The front ends are all manufactured by the teams... the only thing it has in common with a Ford is that they both have Wishbones and common pick up points....

The only parts in these cars that are made by the manufacturer are body panels, Engine block and Heads.

[wally01]

That didn't take long ,i was talking to Bitza the other night on the phone and he said now how long before the frod camp start on Parity .

What next .

[GHZ28]

The whole series is now a silhouette racing category, like Nascar, where the vehicles on the track bear only cosmetic similarity to the originals.

Like NASCAR they might as well just build a homologated chassis, and suspend panels over it. The engines are regulated to be the same, they use the same suspension components, why maintain the pretence of Holdens and Falcons.

Admit it is silhouette class, and let Mitsubishi, Toyota, Nissan, etc etc hang their panels over the homologated chassis. At least that would keep the costs down like they keep saying they are trying to do.

The classic in NASCAR is the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, the public can only buy a 3 litre FWD V6, so how that can be seen to be racing in a V8 class is beyond me.

gh

[nqcv8]

The whole series is now a silhouette racing category, like Nascar, where the vehicles on the track bear only cosmetic similarity to the originals.

Like NASCAR they might as well just build a homologated chassis, and suspend panels over it. The engines are regulated to be the same, they use the same suspension components, why maintain the pretence of Holdens and Falcons.

Admit it is silhouette class, and let Mitsubishi, Toyota, Nissan, etc etc hang their panels over the homologated chassis. At least that would keep the costs down like they keep saying they are trying to do.

The classic in NASCAR is the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, the public can only buy a 3 litre FWD V6, so how that can be seen to be racing in a V8 class is beyond me.

gh

Or even better, they race a 6L Camry in the Busch Series :p

V8supercars is the Australian Version of Nascar....

[brett05]

The way I see it that there are only 2 Holden teams (you know who) on the pace and there are FPV, 888, DJR & SBR all snapping at their heels. The remainder of the Holden teams are bringing up the rear. The only other good performance has been from Lee Holdsworth in the old VZ and he is outshining his teammate Canto in a new VE.
Parity seems OK to me.

Cheers, Brett

[SICK SS]

didnt ford do this years ago when lownes was untuchable with hrt they done something with the areo package to slow them down

[GTS LSA]

The way I see it that there are only 2 Holden teams (you know who) on the pace and there are FPV, 888, DJR & SBR all snapping at their heels. The remainder of the Holden teams are bringing up the rear. The only other good performance has been from Lee Holdsworth in the old VZ and he is outshining his teammate Canto in a new VE.
Parity seems OK to me.

Cheers, Brett


I was only saying that to a mate of mine on the weekend (he drives a Fraud)........ there a lot more "strong" Ford teams and really on 2 Holden teams that have Top 10 Capability.................

As long as we get 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 in the championship though ..... I think I will be happy with that............ but if Holden ever let Ford take any of these 4 .......... we will have no hope.............

[RED R8]

I was there on the weekend and all the other VE's couldn't keep up with Tander and Kelly, Skaife was third but could not get near them.Steven Richards did well all day so get over it Ford Fairies..

[Animal]

Will Davison was in fine form, Steve Johnson also quick, 888 team were up there, James Courtney and Winterbottom was also on the pace.

I agree with the previous comment, only 2 Holden teams are running hot.

[Devil CV8]

with "blueprint" there is already a mechanism inplace for parity adjustments, and IIRC it is along the lines of top 10 holden laptimes vs top 10 ford laptimes over 2 rounds and if the difference is more than x then an adjustment will be made. considering the laptimes are so damn close I can't see any adjustment just yet.....

[Ch0jiN]

So true about the similarities between V8 Supercars and Nascar.
I much prefer watching other classes of racing where it gets interesting. GT's in particular. Sure I can afford a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo etc as much as I could a supercar, but at least each type of car has it's own strength and weakness and that makes for interesting racing. I think it was last weekend I was watching them in Adelaide (on TV) This animal Lambo had all the balls on the straight, but the GT2's were all over it in corners. They rub, they spin out, they crash. It's interesting to watch. Not like F1, Indy, V8's and Nascar. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to attend pretty much all of the ARC events too, and even though there are restrictions designed to even the field (Factory mechanics have alluded to how much they can actually squeeze out of a corolla for example and it's substantially more than they are allowed to race with) but the nature of the sport means that almost any driver from leader to trailer is fun to watch. (although I do concede that frequently the privateers in the classics who dont have $500K rides are more fun to watch because of the way they attack a course...)

Just my .02c

[RED R8]

So true about the similarities between V8 Supercars and Nascar.
I much prefer watching other classes of racing where it gets interesting. GT's in particular. Sure I can afford a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo etc as much as I could a supercar, but at least each type of car has it's own strength and weakness and that makes for interesting racing. I think it was last weekend I was watching them in Adelaide (on TV) This animal Lambo had all the balls on the straight, but the GT2's were all over it in corners. They rub, they spin out, they crash. It's interesting to watch. Not like F1, Indy, V8's and Nascar. I'm in the fortunate position to be able to attend pretty much all of the ARC events too, and even though there are restrictions designed to even the field (Factory mechanics have alluded to how much they can actually squeeze out of a corolla for example and it's substantially more than they are allowed to race with) but the nature of the sport means that almost any driver from leader to trailer is fun to watch. (although I do concede that frequently the privateers in the classics who dont have $500K rides are more fun to watch because of the way they attack a course...)

Just my .02c

Couldnt agree more this will be my last year going to Wanneroo as it has become boring whatching 23 cars all single file with a one second gap between them all.The sights and sounds are great but the actual racing is boring as.The best part about sunday was the historic touring cars watching a XU1 slowly catch a mach 1 mustang being chased by a GTHO,even the production racing is more interesting GSR vs GTI vs GTO vs STI...

[5.7heaven]

FORD WIN and holden take it in their stride and try their hearts out to be up there
HOLDEN WIN and ford whinge, bitch and complain that holden, although being a far more superior car company on the road, have built a much far more superior supercar.

why dont we do what we did last time cars got too fast and untouchable and pull them out of the championship!! (jaguars and skylines)

why not call it the ford v8 supercar series

i reckon if holden and ford both unleashed their dragons, and had no restriction on their vehicles, then holden would run rings around ford like they already do, just be more in front

[igniton]

4 ve's too quick . just the ones who know how to make them go faster than the rest. its not there fault if every one else is dumb as dog shit is it.
they should stop wingeing and learn more about engineering :teach: a proper race car to keep up with them.:yahoo:

[clubbie]

Ford can squeal like biatches..but nothing will happen this year.

Some info to consider. Top 10 included 5 Holdens and 5 Fords.
Top 20 were cars were within approx. 1 sec of each other.

Fastest car in Adelaide qualifying was a Ford (Courtney).

How even do you want it? Cant get much closer than racing to the 100th of a second.

Kinda funny to hear the complaints from the Ford camp calling for parity when some of the teams (SBR and 888) can't get their setup's right for one track. Either that or they can't get a handle on this years aero package. Even funnier is didn't hear DJR complaining, quite the opposite in fact.

Clubbie

[Goggles]

Or even better, they race a 6L Camry in the Busch Series :p

actually 5.9L (358 cubic inches), and the Camry runs in the Nextel Cup series as well as the Busch series.

[INSINR8R]

Couldnt agree more this will be my last year going to Wanneroo as it has become boring whatching 23 cars all single file with a one second gap between them all.The sights and sounds are great but the actual racing is boring as.The best part about sunday was the historic touring cars watching a XU1 slowly catch a mach 1 mustang being chased by a GTHO,even the production racing is more interesting GSR vs GTI vs GTO vs STI...

We either need a bigger, longer track or go to the city streets. Barbagallo is too short and its really boring.

[Woodman]

I have to agree with the comments already posted. V8 Supercars have become boring !!! I got my yearly fix at the Clipsal, but the actual race is like watching a train going around and around. Admittedly its the first race of the season and everyone's a bit scared to scratch the paint, but I'd much rather watch the Historic race with the xu1, monaro, cortina, mini, falcon, chargers etc. Now thats great racing.

[mgygto]

I have to agree with the comments already posted. V8 Supercars have become boring !!! I got my yearly fix at the Clipsal, but the actual race is like watching a train going around and around. Admittedly its the first race of the season and everyone's a bit scared to scratch the paint, but I'd much rather watch the Historic race with the xu1, monaro, cortina, mini, falcon, chargers etc. Now thats great racing.

Sorry but I disagree completely. Are there tracks where the racing is "boring" - yes absolutely , short tracks especially lend themselves to the "train" effect and unfortunately the short tracks also tend to be the best tracks for spectators because of the visibility ( Oran Park in another ) ..... but generally in most of the races at most of the tracks the racing is great with plenty going on .... its difficult this year to date with the HRT and Toll teams easily quicker than the rest , as the Fords improve the racing will improve ( if it had been Ingall leading on Sunday with Skaife chasing do you think Skaife would have eased back the way he did to Tander!! ) . NZ should prove to be some pretty good racing as it has in the past :)

[seldo]

Also, with the amzing closeness of the field - like the first 20 within 1 sec - TEGA have also created a problem because of the way they throw penalties around. If someone has a bit of a go and tries to overtake and the move results in a bit of biffo (especially if someone goes off) he may as well pull in next lap and take a drive-through which effectively stuffs his race, and no points. So the over-policing of the drivers is causing them to just sit-back and finish as best they can without taking any risks - Result - too sanitised and becoming boring.
Whether or not you like to admit it, the majority of spectators only really watch to see the spectacle of a bit of biffo, and TEGA has sanitised that out of the game.
One thing they should do is to remove the drive-through penalty for all except really serious stuff, and instead impose a time penalty which is added after the race is over and they have had time to review the incident. As soon as a drive-through is given, that car may as well pack-up and go home, and there's been plenty of very doubtful decisions given in last couple of seasons that have effectively dictated the outcome of the race or even chmpionship.

[Glubbo]

Good point Seldo, but would that be a punishment scary enough to dissuade an 'aggressor'? Dive-throughs kinda are.


Wasn't there a prototype control shell/chassis built last year and displayed at Phillip Island? Or was that the year before? I guess it has been shelved... bah, might dig through my mountain of Auto Action. Or Google it.

[Cosmo Kramer]

How about a boost button with an allotted time on it, like on the Indy cars. The cars are so even now, makes it hard for passing. That might spice it up a bit.

[RED R8]

Also, with the amzing closeness of the field - like the first 20 within 1 sec - TEGA have also created a problem because of the way they throw penalties around. If someone has a bit of a go and tries to overtake and the move results in a bit of biffo (especially if someone goes off) he may as well pull in next lap and take a drive-through which effectively stuffs his race, and no points. So the over-policing of the drivers is causing them to just sit-back and finish as best they can without taking any risks - Result - too sanitised and becoming boring.
Whether or not you like to admit it, the majority of spectators only really watch to see the spectacle of a bit of biffo, and TEGA has sanitised that out of the game.
One thing they should do is to remove the drive-through penalty for all except really serious stuff, and instead impose a time penalty which is added after the race is over and they have had time to review the incident. As soon as a drive-through is given, that car may as well pack-up and go home, and there's been plenty of very doubtful decisions given in last couple of seasons that have effectively dictated the outcome of the race or even chmpionship.

I agree with the drivethrough penalty's being scrapped until incedence is reveiwed.


How about a boost button with an allotted time on it, like on the Indy cars. The cars are so even now, makes it hard for passing. That might spice it up a bit.

Small NOS bottle..

[S man]

I have to agree with a lot of whats been said here, But there are a few things everyone needs to concider. There has been plenty of whinging on both sides of the fence, over the years.

I think the cars have outgrown the tracks, with Bathurst being the only one that can handle the V8s..

V8 supercar is getting very boring yes, but why?
because its very hard to pass as the cars are so equal, again why?

Parity, Ford are very gunshy about parity because of all the consions given to Holden over the early years of the class. Just look at the facts, without your Holden/Ford hats on..

Think back to the 9 stright Bathurst wins.
Skaife/Holden winning the series that many times it was rediculess. So the parity was out of whack & it took years to adjust.

Only project Blueprint evened up things. When everyone had to have the same thing did Ford show form, & that showed in the results by both cars.The racing became close & exciting.
Last was the closest its been, as the results show that since Blueprint its worked fine. Bathurst being the best example of even parity. The first two cars a fag paper apart!!!:thumbsup:

Now:: Holden have dropped there new car & its a ripper out of the box, so Ford are touchy about it dominating, & rightly so..Anyone would?

No one, 'in all honesty' would want to see the same car winning every race, As it was before Blueprint, weather you are a Holden or Ford supporter. I for one want a fight to the end, much like last year, How exciting was that! Couldn't asked for more.
So Ford asking to look into parity is fine by me. Im sure if the new Ford comes out & is a cracker, Holden would do the same. Again, & so they should.

Now why is V8 racing so boring?
My opinion is that the driver has become disconected from the car. The telemitry is over ruling his feeling. Resulting is the cars being set up by computers, thats the problem.
I would remove all the sensors & give the car set up back to the drivers. As was the case in the group C days.:love:

The drivers like Brock, Skaife, Perkins, Moffat, Johnson, Seton etc: All knew how to set there cars up, that is lost these days of computers In my opinion.
When you have sensors telling you what spring,shock,bars, camber,caster, roll centre & the like, the driver is out of the equation, & thats bad for outright racing, hence the follow the leader syndrome we have now.:teach:

Im all for the drive through being dumped. Its a silly rule IMO...

[mgygto]

I have to agree with a lot of whats been said here, But there are a few things everyone needs to concider. There has been plenty of whinging on both sides of the fence, over the years.

I think the cars have outgrown the tracks, with Bathurst being the only one that can handle the V8s..

V8 supercar is getting very boring yes, but why?
because its very hard to pass as the cars are so equal, again why?

Parity, Ford are very gunshy about parity because of all the consions given to Holden over the early years of the class. Just look at the facts, without your Holden/Ford hats on..

Think back to the 9 stright Bathurst wins.
Skaife/Holden winning the series that many times it was rediculess. So the parity was out of whack & it took years to adjust.

Only project Blueprint evened up things. When everyone had to have the same thing did Ford show form, & that showed in the results by both cars.The racing became close & exciting.
Last was the closest its been, as the results show that since Blueprint its worked fine. Bathurst being the best example of even parity. The first two cars a fag paper apart!!!:thumbsup:

Now:: Holden have dropped there new car & its a ripper out of the box, so Ford are touchy about it dominating, & rightly so..Anyone would?

No one, 'in all honesty' would want to see the same car winning every race, As it was before Blueprint, weather you are a Holden or Ford supporter. I for one want a fight to the end, much like last year, How exciting was that! Couldn't asked for more.
So Ford asking to look into parity is fine by me. Im sure if the new Ford comes out & is a cracker, Holden would do the same. Again, & so they should.

Now why is V8 racing so boring?
My opinion is that the driver has become disconected from the car. The telemitry is over ruling his feeling. Resulting is the cars being set up by computers, thats the problem.
I would remove all the sensors & give the car set up back to the drivers. As was the case in the group C days.:love:

The drivers like Brock, Skaife, Perkins, Moffat, Johnson, Seton etc: All knew how to set there cars up, that is lost these days of computers In my opinion.
When you have sensors telling you what spring,shock,bars, camber,caster, roll centre & the like, the driver is out of the equation, & thats bad for outright racing, hence the follow the leader syndrome we have now.:teach:




Me thinks you need to spend time with a team .... the driver is far from being disconnected with the car and the feedback that the good drivers give is what actually sets the cars up!! Which is why you can see a driver like Bright go to his own team , in a crap car , set it up to max and look at what he did at Adelaide. The drivers are not out of the equation at all and even saying that is an insult to the likes of Lowndes, Skaife, Kellys, Courtney etc .... its ridiculous.

We have had 2 races this year with record crowds on track and record TV audiences .... its not as "boring" as some of you seem to be fixated on! And at the first race the fastest car on track was a Ford , in the 2nd it was a Holden :)


The cars have far from out grown the tracks ..... I have no idea what you are getting at with that comment , the tracks that dictate that you had better qualify up fron tif you want to win ( Perth, QLD , etc) have always been like that and yet you tracks where drivers can still come from last to first ( oran Park ) or even what Todd Kelly did at Perth in races 2 & 3.

Not every race is going to be a cracker , thats a fact , but there is more than enough there over the year to keep me ESTACTIC and to keep more and more of the public coming along!

[ivorya]

I also think everyone just needs to sit down and have a drink or 2. Have a look at the races so far and we see all the cars at the top of the leaderbaord are built from walkinshaw. No other holden cars come close to what he has produced. I don't believe the VE should be penalised for 4 VE's that are out in front, how would they help tasman, perkins etc.
Whether Toll/HRT are linked and is a 4 car team........... now thats something worth investigating??

[S man]

Me thinks you need to spend time with a team .... the driver is far from being disconnected with the car and the feedback that the good drivers give is what actually sets the cars up!! Which is why you can see a driver like Bright go to his own team , in a crap car , set it up to max and look at what he did at Adelaide. The drivers are not out of the equation at all and even saying that is an insult to the likes of Lowndes, Skaife, Kellys, Courtney etc .... its ridiculous.

We have had 2 races this year with record crowds on track and record TV audiences .... its not as "boring" as some of you seem to be fixated on! And at the first race the fastest car on track was a Ford , in the 2nd it was a Holden :)


The cars have far from out grown the tracks ..... I have no idea what you are getting at with that comment , the tracks that dictate that you had better qualify up fron tif you want to win ( Perth, QLD , etc) have always been like that and yet you tracks where drivers can still come from last to first ( oran Park ) or even what Todd Kelly did at Perth in races 2 & 3.

Not every race is going to be a cracker , thats a fact , but there is more than enough there over the year to keep me ESTACTIC and to keep more and more of the public coming along!

Wow I dont know how I could have been so wrong!!
I will take your advice & go work with a team, but I dont know if my team will give me the time off, as were heading for NZ soon.

The cars havent out grown the tracks? Well any track were there under 60sec a lap to me is out grown.

I did say the racing was boring, I was Agreing & asking why that seems to be the case>>>>[quote]V8 supercar is getting very boring yes, but why?
With that I simply gave my explantion for that. I could be wrong & according to you I am.

I do agree with what you said about not every race being a cracker.
Glad your enjoying the races..

[Glubbo]

Apologies to S Man, I am sure you are making relevant and unbiased comments. I am having a lot of difficulty in understanding you. You did say that you worked with a Race Team, I wonder if they know how lacking you are in spelling and grammar (or is it not a requisite?).

Can I direct you to the following websites to assist you in future posting:

Their/There/They're (http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/their.html)
Were/We're (http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/were2.html)
Your/You're (http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/your.html)
Its/It's (http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/its.html)
dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) (at least 6 spelling errors in the last 2 posts of yours, on top of incorrect word choice. Example 'were' used instead of 'where')

Interesting you work for a Race Team, though. Is your stance on computer dominance of setup data related? Driver-feedback related? Personal experience from observation?

[Oztrack Tuning]

Its the same in the V8 utes. They are restricted from revving so that the Fords can keep up and timing is also factored out of the LS1 tunes to keep things level as well.

Imagine the V8 ute LS1s have less rwkw than most mafless tuned streetcars. 17 degrees timing only and 5800rpm limiters if i recall from a conversation i had with a V8 ute association person.

[mgygto]

Wow I dont know how I could have been so wrong!!
I will take your advice & go work with a team, but I dont know if my team will give me the time off, as were heading for NZ soon.



Yes I know its school holidays next week and I guess you are holidaying in NZ then :)

There isn't anyone involved in the V8 teams who would make the empty statements you have made about the drivers and the cars so it really is rather amusing that you would take the approach of needing to pretend that you are to somehow validate your comments.

However everyone is entitled to an opinion and yours is very clear for all to see.

Enjoy the school holidays in NZ :)




The cars havent out grown the tracks? Well any track were there under 60sec a lap to me is out grown.



I think if you look at the Perth record books you'll see that with the Supercars it has always been under 60 seconds .... its a short track!

[Mungrel]

Sure Perth is a pretty short track but i reckon its still an alrite track. One of the biggest problems is (IMO) that Kolb Corner (the second last turn) is way out in the sticks basically in-accessible for spectators.

However, back on track regarding the VE, Sure TollHSV and Skaife's cars were pretty quick, but then so to were the DJR cars. I personally believe it is more due to the setup of the car as opposed to the power each puts out. Plus TEGA as regulated both the aero packages so that neither one has an advantage.

[hsveight]

Its all down to money. More People buy holdens and hsvs than fords therefore HRT and TollHSV dominate. Ford should think of investing more money into the sport rather than winge

[Mikhael]

They are kidding, right ?

After one race Ford are whinging !!!!!!

Geez, at least give it a few rounds to settle in and then we can assess how things are going.

Some tracks are better suited to either the Ford or Holden package.

In Perth it came down to driver skill. Ford had 5 drivers in the top ten, what are they whinging about.

The next few tracks they go to, it could be the other way around.

For god's sake, Ford really are a bunch of whingers !!!! :bash:

:machinegun:

[hsv136]

For god's sake, Ford really are a bunch of whingers !!!! :bash:

:machinegun:

Truer words have never been spoken,but eventually they have to run out of exuses ...not sure about any one else but as a long term follower of the group c and now the v8's,,the super cars are startin to get a bit boring and a bit too text book,,would luv to see the drivers taking a few more risks and maybe throw in a new track that would be better suited to these cars (from a specators point of view)more over taking etc..

well that my 5cents worth

[EddieVE06]

I watched a program on Chanel 7 last sunday, no idea what it was called but they had lotus, lancers, holden, fords all racing each other. It was great to see the HSV's against the Elise, on the straights it was all over but come the twistie bits it was great to see the difference in braking and cornering speed.

Cant wait to watch it again.

V8's should be a little more like this i think

[Brass Munky]

That would have been the GT championship, i stopped watchin V8s, i prefer the Brutes and GT championships now, better racing, the cars are more like what we have and it shows the differences between manufacturers

[Bazza76d]

Although this thread started with the fact Ford are complainaint about the dominace of the VE it seems to have spiralled into a V8 supercar roast but some people. May I remind you all V8 supercars is more popular today than it ever was in the past, you can include the old touring car days etc as well. So more people are watching, crowd records are being smashed at each round yet the majority of posts seem to be complaining about it. V8 supercars is the most successful/popular touring car series in the world and I for one think it is bloody fantastic. Maybe if we went back to the old days we would be watching purpose builg race cars like Godzilla flogging every single car, surely that is far more boring that watching the cars we all love hammering around a track.

As someone said on here not all races are going to be crackers, that is common sense, not all cricket matches, footy games are all entertaining BUT on a sport as a while you don't get much better than this one!!

As for the Ford camp complaining I am not really suprised. I am a massive Skaife fan and it was common place when he was winning a few years back for the opposition (Ford) to whinge and bitch. It will always happen because they build inferior cars:) Maybe instead of complaining they should invest that time in engineering and manufacturing.... Go Skaifey....

My thoughts
Baz

[VX2VESS]

Imagine what would have happened if they allowed the VE supercar to adopt the true wheel base :lmao:

As far as i am aware, they are the same supercar as last year with diffrent panels.. No other updates to do with the VE, just normal upgrades to the race car

that what i heard also.

why don't they just all run the same drivelines and chassis and put a ford or holden body on them. that will stop all the bullshit behind the scenes. then can only complain about aero setups.

almost this now anyway.

[hoon69]

funny thing isnt it

see in those 3 yrs its was all ambrose and not 3-4 fords
you have HRT HSVDT straight out of the bag fasyer then all cars on track of course someones gunna question it

i bet half you'll whinged for those 3 yrs ford were cheating so :P

[SS Enforcer]

The Ford boys won't be happy after getting cleen sweeped again. Rick Kelly and Garth Tander running away with it.

cheers

[banarcus]

I remember when the series was in its infancy and Ford, with their relative inexperience in anything V8 since they gave motorsport away in the '70s, were carving up with the EB. The results if I remember rightly were mostly team Peter Jacko and the Shell Falcons of DJR, Falcons in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I remember when the shoe was on the other foot and Holden asked for parity. Nothing wrong with parity requests, or as some here would say, WHINGING.
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In a two make series, you have to have parity otherwise you may as well have a one make series.
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The problem with parity is race cars that emulate NASCAR which isn't great for the purists.
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You cannot please everyone can you.

[hsv andrew]

not the case! team hsv are doing it better than everyone else at this stage!