My Brake Pad Dilemna.

[HSVREDSLED]

Having just re read the Brake Pad thread and others, Im still confused.

Heres my story. VY Clubsport. Pads were changed by dealer at service time, Shudder in steering wheel started. Numerous failed attempts to fix problem with dealer over several months almost sent me insane. Finally I spoke with HSV direct. Very helpful bloke at HSV advises that the dealer has been putting the wrong pad in causing the shudder. I speak with dealer who then put in correct pad and hey presto...no shudder.

Many moons on, no shudder at all. But......the Dust is really getting to me. I can literally clean them spotless, drive around the block three times, come back, run my finger along the rim and leave a line. Its sending me nuts. But I dont want to go through the whole deal with the wheel shudder again if I get different pads.

So, I need advice.

a/ Should I put up with the dust with pads that are otherwise perfect, yet send me insane with the dust issue, or,

b/ get some other pad that may crack discs, leave spots, cause shudder and send me back to the situation I was many moons ago.

Please help. And I want to compare apples with apples. These are not standard VY SS discs, nor Harrops nor anything else. They are the standard discs dfitted to a HSV VY Clubsport (Not R8) so if you offer advice, can your advice be specific to these exact discs.

Please end this dilemna...

Sled

[VX2VESS]

:wave: sounds like my dust problem. been using the best pads i ever had for years, formula ferodo's. stop unreal in all situtions, but the dust was like yours one day...by the end of the week black as, washing leaving a trail of black on the lawn.....

now been using EBC green not quite as good performance (about 95% of FF's), but less than half the dust, they are kevlar and ceramic pads....the advertise less dust, seem true for me at least.....

[Bomi]

Put up with the Dust, hands down mate.

A bucket of water in the garage and a sponge all the time, that way when ever you pull up after a bit of a drive you can give em a fast wipe down.

I know its a pain but its the price we pay for good brakes.


Troy :)

[muzza]

EBC greens are not dustless - but they aren't bad. You will notice the dust after a week - depends how hard you use them I guess - mine's a manual.

[VX2VESS]

EBC greens are not dustless - but they aren't bad. You will notice the dust after a week - depends how hard you use them I guess - mine's a manual.
no not dustless, but what little dust they give is lighter coloured and less. 100% better than the others, before by today my mags would be black and hard to see the polished lip, today with EBC they still look shiney, but if you wipe your finger on it you can see they have dust. but looking clean is better than what it was.....the friday unseen black polished lip before.

[The Warden]

I've got EBC red ceramics in mine, they dust worse than the standard HSV pads, but stop so much better it's not funny. I simply wash the wheels a bit more often.

[Daz Vx Clubbie]

Another vote here for the EBC Green Stuff's. Brake dust is the same as the standard brake pad but with a lot more bite.

Regards,

Daz

[HSVREDSLED]

Another vote here for the EBC Green Stuff's. Brake dust is the same as the standard brake pad but with a lot more bite.

Regards,

Daz

Cheers people.

Any shudder problem with these pads?

[Daz Vx Clubbie]

Cheers people.

Any shudder problem with these pads?

When I originally installed them they were squealing really badly but settled down after 3 days of normal driving. I haven't heard anything since.

There is a bedding in procedure in the brake pad thread that HRT Stroker posted on how to correctly bed these pads in. This procedure came straight from the manufacture.

Here's the thread: http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=26366&highlight=Brake+pad+thread

Regards,

Daz

[Strick]

Hi all,

Not HSV related but i didnt want to start up a whole new thread. I got bendix ultimate pad installed on my VY SS about 2 weeks ago and they squeel so very much that its starting to get annoying. Is there a way to fix this problem or should i just try different pads. Also what causes this squeel.

Cheers Strick

[Daz Vx Clubbie]

Hi all,

Not HSV related but i didnt want to start up a whole new thread. I got bendix ultimate pad installed on my VY SS about 2 weeks ago and they squeel so very much that its starting to get annoying. Is there a way to fix this problem or should i just try different pads. Also what causes this squeel.

Cheers Strick

Could be a beding in issue how did you bed them in?

If the squealing persists you can purchase some anti squeal spray from your local supercheap. You spray this on the back of the pad and it ment to eliminate squealing. I bought a Wurth anti squeal product however my pads settled down before I used it.

Cheers,

Daz

[Sonnymad]

Having just re read the Brake Pad thread and others, Im still confused.

Heres my story. VY Clubsport. Pads were changed by dealer at service time, Shudder in steering wheel started. Numerous failed attempts to fix problem with dealer over several months almost sent me insane. Finally I spoke with HSV direct. Very helpful bloke at HSV advises that the dealer has been putting the wrong pad in causing the shudder. I speak with dealer who then put in correct pad and hey presto...no shudder.

Many moons on, no shudder at all. But......the Dust is really getting to me. I can literally clean them spotless, drive around the block three times, come back, run my finger along the rim and leave a line. Its sending me nuts. But I dont want to go through the whole deal with the wheel shudder again if I get different pads.

So, I need advice.

a/ Should I put up with the dust with pads that are otherwise perfect, yet send me insane with the dust issue, or,

b/ get some other pad that may crack discs, leave spots, cause shudder and send me back to the situation I was many moons ago.

Please help. And I want to compare apples with apples. These are not standard VY SS discs, nor Harrops nor anything else. They are the standard discs dfitted to a HSV VY Clubsport (Not R8) so if you offer advice, can your advice be specific to these exact discs.

Please end this dilemna...

Sled

I hope you are not going bak to that dealer,if they got the brakes wrong who knows wat else they have wrong !

[seldo]

I used EBC Greens and found that compared with OE they had more bite, were much more dusty, and I found they really chewed the rotors.

[VX2VESS]

I used EBC Greens and found that compared with OE they had more bite, were much more dusty, and I found they really chewed the rotors.

that probably why i'm getting much less dust, 2 weeks now without a wash and rims are dusty but can still see the polished edge, it doesn't look black. The rotors are molycarbide, harder so not wearing as much from these pads or maybe the FF's either if I still had them on. dust is a combination of worn rotors and pads, harder rotors then less wear and dust from them.

so after two weeks without washing i have less dust than i had before in two days. not a bad improvement.

[planetdavo]

This question has been answered several times in the past.
The non dusty old compound pads were causing brake shudder or brake squeal. The new compound pads cut the shudder and noise a lot, but are very dusty.
This setup has compromises you need to accept.

[Rad Kane]

Go with the 'dusty' pads at least your rotors will have longevity and will yield better braking.

[Sime]

Hey guys, just wanted to know whether the shudder you are talking about is the same as I have in my VY Clubby. Mine don't shudder when driving around the city and infact work very well. But if I brake semi hard from 100kmh, after a second of braking it starts to shudder badly and braking performance goes out the window. I just want to know whether giving the pads the flick will fix it or whether the slotted rotors have something to do with it.

[HSVREDSLED]

Hey guys, just wanted to know whether the shudder you are talking about is the same as I have in my VY Clubby. Mine don't shudder when driving around the city and infact work very well. But if I brake semi hard from 100kmh, after a second of braking it starts to shudder badly and braking performance goes out the window. I just want to know whether giving the pads the flick will fix it or whether the slotted rotors have something to do with it.

I reckon you have a pad issue. Mine started like that and got worse.
Mine would shudder from all speeds, but the harder I braked the less it shuddered. Ring HSV Melbourne and get the part number for the pad they recommend. (I cant remember it) If you do get it, can you post it up here? (Saves me ringing)

As an epilogue to the original post, I stuck with the pads (and dust issue) but changed rims. The new rims are waaaay easier to clean and literally take 10 seconds per rim to do. Im very happy..:):):)

[BLOWN_VXSS]

Another vote for EBC greenstuff, haven't had any problems, they do a good job and less dusty than a lot of others.

I used anti squeel on the pads after I put them in, just to quieten them down a bit. By memory the EBCs were a little more expensive than Bendix and Ferodo.

[mr6000]

I use Bendix 'Standards'. They are Dustless. Wheels remain clean.

[lomax]

Just changed my front brake pads. $310 for pads and $238 labour to fit at local HSV dealer. R8 VY2, is that a normal price?

[R8MALOO]

wat does Ebd (Electronic Brake Force Distribution) mean? does it allow cars to do stand stills? :eyes:

[Vulture]

I've got EBC red ceramics in mine, they dust worse than the standard HSV pads, but stop so much better it's not funny. I simply wash the wheels a bit more often.

Agreed. I tried the EBC red when I had my harrops and they totally solved the squeal problem but were much more dusty. They are a road--occassional track pad whereas the greens are more road biased and yellows more track biased than the others. Give me dust and stopping power over squeal or shudder any time.