275/35/19 on 9.5" for E Series R8, best choice

[CarlFST60L]

I have called this morning for 275/35/19 on 9.5" rim and got quoted a best of $715 per tyre for my E Series R8.

The problem I am having is that I had 245/35/19 on my VY and was getting Ventus K104's for $300 a corner (fitted). So its over double the price for an inch wider? wtf?

Is there a monopoly on tyres? How can a tyre slightly bigger be more than double the price? (obviously manufacturing volume is important, but i had 19's before, these are just an inch wider) and to be honest, my K104's were a better all round tyre than the stockers for $800 per corner...

I was also hoping to get 295/30/19, but they 'dont exsist'?

[HSV Listy]

It is proberbly that they are new to the market and there are limited brands. I brought my VX GTS new in 2001 and at the time one of the few cars with 19 inch rims on it. At the time there was vertially no choice on brands and tyres. P rosso were the few available for $830 each fitted in 2001. Now that hurt for 4 new tyres. Now look what you can get them for as you mentioned. One third the price almost

[jaykay]

Carl why don't you talk to Jeff at Payless tyres and see what he can come up with for ya.. :idea:

I paid $346 each for my Maxxis MAZ-1's in 255/35/20 so $715 for a 19" is out there...

JK :wave:

[gen3ss]

I have called this morning for 275/35/19 on 9.5" rim and got quoted a best of $715 per tyre for my E Series R8.

The problem I am having is that I had 245/35/19 on my VY and was getting Ventus K104's for $300 a corner (fitted). So its over double the price for an inch wider? wtf?

Is there a monopoly on tyres? How can a tyre slightly bigger be more than double the price? (obviously manufacturing volume is important, but i had 19's before, these are just an inch wider) and to be honest, my K104's were a better all round tyre than the stockers for $800 per corner...

I was also hoping to get 295/30/19, but they 'dont exsist'?


My theory is Bridgestone and other tyre manufactures try to make their money back on their O.E tyres because they must do very tight deals with vehicle manufactures to supply O.E. They know that most of the time they will make it up at service intervals @ dealers who suggest the O.E. and also all fleet companys prefer the O.E. Tyre.

I work @ Bob jane T marts and notice everytime i'm looking up O.E. tyres they're always way more expensive than some of their own tyres in the same sizes which are sometimes better.



You can get 295/30R19

Yokohama Advan V103 $690.00
Pirelli P-Zero Rosso $970.00
Michelin Pilot Sport $880.00


Cheers Trent.


Carl why don't you talk to Jeff at Payless tyres and see what he can come up with for ya.. :idea:

I paid $346 each for my Maxxis MAZ-1's in 255/35/20 so $715 for a 19" is out there...

JK :wave:

I can definatley say that they are very good, got em in 245/35R19 on the VU.

[OUTAtheBloo]

For close on to a grand for a tyre, id want them to grip like an R Spec.
Good luck with finding a decent price Carl, i dont envy you.

Dan

[CarlFST60L]

Carl why don't you talk to Jeff at Payless tyres and see what he can come up with for ya.. :idea:

I paid $346 each for my Maxxis MAZ-1's in 255/35/20 so $715 for a 19" is out there...

JK :wave:

I have spoken to Payless via PM, he is getting back to me ;)

I have spoken with Ventus, and i can get K104's for around $440inc fitted for 275/35/19

I really want 295, or 305 if it will fit?

[CarlFST60L]

I got the K107 275/25/19 fitted today for in Penrith for $440 each. So far, they are better than the stock $800 a corner tyres (only tested for 200km in the extreme wet today)... The K107 allows WOT in 2nd on a good road right to 6800rpm, but not in first over 3000rpm... To compare these new $800 bridgestones, I couldnt hold WOT in 3rd at anything over 3000rpm, 1st and second were so usless i was literally beaten buy a Turbo Diesel Van! (I do admit they were getting very low on tread, but there was tread), when the Bridgestones were at their best, WOT in 3rd was 'ok', and 2nd a little when the were warm, perfect road, all perfect conditions etc but 90% of the time it ended in massive wheelspin, even in 3rd...

The only thing im pissed about, is i wanted K104's as they dont have the 4 huge grooves in the rubber, the K104 has two tiny little grooves toward the center, the K107 has 4 larger grooves i.e. K104 would loose say 8mm of rubber overall, while the K107 looses 18mm or so... WTF is the point of making 275 wide tyres, and putting massive grooves down them??? If the road is that wet, i would just slow down :vpo:

here is the two tread patterns

K107
http://www.hankooktyre.com.au/upload/product_image/K107_F1.jpg

K104
http://www.hankooktyre.com.au/upload/product_image/k104_eu_f.jpg

Whats peoples thoughts on these oversided grooves, is the extra few mm of groove going to really make that much diffrent to a 60ft time?

[seedyrom]

having just been looking at tyres for my bosses car (and yes, Jeff at Payless hooked me up nicely :cool: ) its funny the differing things countries expect from tyres.

Doing my research, looking at review sites, English and Northern American's demand strong wet/ice/snow handling abilities. And complain if they dont have such grooves.

Aussies want the exact opposite as we don't know what water looks like.

I'd hate to be a tyre producer :) actually ... i'd just tailor to the larger market. ... hence your 4 grooves Carl :D

[Andrew297]

So has anyone tried wider front and rear tyres? What sizes fit?

Cheers :cheers:

[ntae]

Has any one found any slicks to fit on the back of a VE HSV that can give good traction

[ABG]

I'm no expert Carl, but I agree with Seedy. I don't know what effect the tyres would have on a drag strip (never been to one - doubt I ever will), but on a track the K104's have more rubber patch in contact with the ground and would produce a quicker time.

I'd be real interested to see what your lap times are like around Wakefield with the new tyres vs the OE Bridgies.

[CarlFST60L]

I'm no expert Carl, but I agree with Seedy. I don't know what effect the tyres would have on a drag strip (never been to one - doubt I ever will), but on a track the K104's have more rubber patch in contact with the ground and would produce a quicker time.

I'd be real interested to see what your lap times are like around Wakefield with the new tyres vs the OE Bridgies.

I went back and complained about the grooves, the Hankook rep from Sydney (nice bloke, does heaps of circuit work) called me up and we had a good chat about tyres and the technology. Basically, they are made for the mass market in the US/EU etc, and they are all more worried about wet/snow/dirt etc, no lap times, or 60ft'ers. He did say though, that the technology in these tyres are superior to the K104's, and would still yield better grip (or something along those lines). Anyway, they are a good tyre.

We will never know the lap times differences as the car has a heap of power mod's ;)

[BadMac]

How are the tyres going after a few weeks?

I am just pricing the rears for my R8 and can get Falken FK452 275/35R19 for NZ$439 (AUD$382). Not sure on performance but the reviews sound good. could also get 107's but am waiting for a price.

[lowriding]

Badmac , i am running Falken FK452 albeit in the 245/35/19 size . These are highly recommended tyres . I replaced nankang NS2 which many people like but the 452's kill them in every respect and are only marginally more exxy. I reckon they are a bargain premium tyre.

[NickS]

I'm running Falken FK452 on the Coupe 4 ... good enough for a 11.302.

:D

Highly recommended, 100 times better than the $900 Pirellis that were on it before.

[CarlFST60L]

How are the tyres going after a few weeks?

I am just pricing the rears for my R8 and can get Falken FK452 275/35R19 for NZ$439 (AUD$382). Not sure on performance but the reviews sound good. could also get 107's but am waiting for a price.

The 107's are holding up to the punishment, should get 15K out of them, which is average.

I still have P0's on the front which helps me compare grip levels. I would say its only marginal in favour of the 107's, espically in the wet (no more breaking traction at 100km/h during 3rd gear roll on), and, the grip level is NOT degrading over time like the P0's. Down side is less grip when cold...

Busting to find 295 rubber for <$600 a corner.

[Ls1CorpCruiser]

Hi guys....

well I'll certainly be going the K104/K107 option when the Grange runs out of rubber...

Was averaging 75,000 - 90,000kms out of the 245/35 19's on the WK... and so far done 19,000 on the WM. The fronts look brand spankers, rears about 75% to go!!! so looking like I'll get at least 60,000-75,000 out of the OEM Bridgy's.

:smilesandbanana::smilesandbanana::smilesandbanana :

[ImpulSSiVZ]

I got the K107 275/25/19 fitted today for in Penrith for $440 each. So far, they are better than the stock $800 a corner tyres (only tested for 200km in the extreme wet today)... The K107 allows WOT in 2nd on a good road right to 6800rpm, but not in first over 3000rpm... To compare these new $800 bridgestones, I couldnt hold WOT in 3rd at anything over 3000rpm, 1st and second were so usless i was literally beaten buy a Turbo Diesel Van! (I do admit they were getting very low on tread, but there was tread), when the Bridgestones were at their best, WOT in 3rd was 'ok', and 2nd a little when the were warm, perfect road, all perfect conditions etc but 90% of the time it ended in massive wheelspin, even in 3rd...

The only thing im pissed about, is i wanted K104's as they dont have the 4 huge grooves in the rubber, the K104 has two tiny little grooves toward the center, the K107 has 4 larger grooves i.e. K104 would loose say 8mm of rubber overall, while the K107 looses 18mm or so... WTF is the point of making 275 wide tyres, and putting massive grooves down them??? If the road is that wet, i would just slow down :vpo:

here is the two tread patterns



Whats peoples thoughts on these oversided grooves, is the extra few mm of groove going to really make that much diffrent to a 60ft time?


I have found that tyres with the angled out tread pattern, the 104, are a hell
of a lot noisier.

[CarlFST60L]

I have found that tyres with the angled out tread pattern, the 104, are a hell
of a lot noisier.

Have never noticed any road noise, will have a listen on the lunch run...

[Ls1CorpCruiser]

I have def found the falken FK452 were on the noisy side...

K104's are very quiet... esp compared to Pirelli Pzero and Bridgestone Potenza's

Had 3 sets of 104's and will keep buying them.. Grip is great as well!!!


:bow::bow::bow:

[DetN8]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you be better looking for 295/35's if you're sticking with 19" as these only have a 1.5% diameter difference from the front 245/40's while the 295/30 will make them 2.8% smaller diameter difference to the fronts (i.e. lowering the back end by ~20mm)?

I'm really interested to know if a 295 will even fit on the VE R8's rear 9.5" wheel? I thought the widest you could go on these was 285?

[ringram]

Old thread dude.
However a I noticed a freind had purchased some toyo R888's for his R8 and they are 295x30x19 they are a little wide, but the tyre shop said that fitted on easy and he ran his best time at the strip with them. Thats on the stock 9.5x19 rims.
Personally Im going to go with 285's for daily driving and also try the 295 toyo's for the track.

[Uwish]

I paid $460 per tyre for 275-30-20 P Zero Neros
Australias Best is the place in sydney.

Fark paying that for 19s!

[DetN8]

Oops, sorry for resurrecting this old thread - I had so many threads open trying to educate myself as I'm in the same, confused boat atm. Rather than start yet another one this heading seemed the most appropriate. What width wheels / tyres fit the VE's (without needing to mod guards or redo suspension) seems to be an area of contention.

[ringram]

Ive only seen one thread of a dude with 10" rims. But nobody seems to have run anything over a 295.
A mate here runs 295 toyo tyres ok, but they do look too wide. 285's are perfect.