My Modding experience thus far

[cosmo vyss]

First of all this thread has not been written for mud slinging. I wrote this because I thought it would be good to share my experience with modifying a vehicle and the things that can go wrong and the lessons I learnt along the way and that others can share their experiences as well.
I bought a vyss in 2004 and within two weeks of having the vehicle I found a few LS1 type web sites. I had no intention of ever doing anything to my car except drive it. Although after finding out how easy these cars were to modify my process begun.

The first thing I did was a dual 2 ½ cat back zorst. I went with a cheap option. I think 350 bucks made by a small workshop out near blacktown. Anyway I thought at the time 350 was a top price. Anyway after having the zorst on for two weeks. I hated the drone and the noise. So a quick call to sureflo was made. After talking to Matt I booked in for one of there custom cat back zorst. It was fitted two days later. The note was good and at the time I was happy with the result.

My next step was to get a mafless tune, this was done this was done by leading edge tuning (cost 1500 including hsv pipe). I turned up at the shop at 8.30am and dropped my car off. I watched the base line dyno run which off memory yielded a massive 159rwkw, The guys there advised me not to worry to much as its just a baseline. I returned at 4.30 that afternoon and picked up my car. It made 207rwkw. This was a big improvement over the stock run. The car felt a heap better on the road and I was happy at the time.
Two weeks later I had to make a trip back to Sureflo as the rubbers on the rear of my system had come off. I was also unhappy with the way it was sitting and they couldn’t get to sit how I wanted it. A bit of a pain as I was living at Menai at the time. No dramas there, they put new rubbers in and underway I was again.

The quest for more power bit me, so header was the next step. I went back to sureflo and had pacemaker tri-y’s fitted and high flow cats and piping. It ended up costing me 100 bucks more then expected as I thought a before and after dyno run (199.6rwkw) was included. They fitted the stuff and off I was again. I went back to leading edge to get the tune touched up. I was shocked when they charged me 500 big ones for a minor touch up. After the touch up the car made 214rwkw, and I was shocked as for the cost per rwkw was hardly worth it. The car did sound a lot tougher and I went off a little disheartened.

Not long after that and a few runs at the creek not yielding the returns I though I would have gotten. I booked my car in at Sams and had 3.9 diff gears chucked in. He had them fitted up no worries and adjusted my speedo to suit. I asked him for a dyno as to see how it compared to leading edges one. Sam was very helpful and accommodated me. He started to power the car up and stopped. He said it was pinging its head off and was too dangerous to continue the run. I thanked him for his time and honesty and took my car back to leading edge.

At first they though it was some dodgy fuel etc. I assured them it wasn’t. After pulling out a bit of timing the car drove ok I thought, I then went on my way.
Two months later a rattle appeared under the drivers side door. It turned out to be a block/cactus cat. So another trip to sureflo was made. Greg replaced the cat for free and said if the cars are not tuned correctly they throw cats sometimes. I went to have the car serviced and the mechanic showed me that the new cat was welded in reverse to the cat piping compared to the other side. It did not look that pretty at all. Then soon after that the car began pinging again. I took the car back to leading edge and they spent another few hours retuning it. I got the car back and it seemed to drive ok, the pinging could not be heard, but the vehicle was picked up late in the evening so it was rather cool then.
About a week later the car the car was pinging again. I had it check by another tuner he confirmed that it was pinging a little. Back to leading edge I went. After another touch up to the tune the car seemed ok and the pinging had stopped. I was happy enough with the car and continued my driving bliss as I thought. Well you would not believe it, the car threw another cat, except this time on the passengers side. I rang sureflo up and was explained to that being the car had the cats fitted 6 months ago it would not replace the one I had under a warranty type claim. Man I wasn’t a happy camper. A new cat was then put on. Concerned that it was the tune that was causing my drama’s and the fact it had been back to the tuner three times previously. I then had the car re-tuned by Marrano’s. I had to buy a new pcm as the previous tuner had locked it. So Sonny took a base run with the old pcm. The car made just on 212rwkw and then after the new tune starting with a new pcm the car made 227rwkw. The car drove better, accelerated more smoothly and felt a lot quicker. It was more pleasurable to drive.
My next step was to throw in a rip shift and pbr brakes. . I had it fitted at Marrano’s and Sonny was very helpful and nothing was too much trouble for him. After leaving happy with the shift, the only thing that was frustrating was the fact the it made some noise. Sonny adjusted the stops and it did help a bit with noise. After a while it became to annoying and so back I went. We then chucked in some mainlube oil and it did help a bit more with noise.
Not long after that the car wouldn’t accelerate smoothly, so I rang Sonny and he diagnosed it as a blocked cat. I completely lost my mind then.
So after having nothing but problems with tri-ys and cats. I swapped to di fillipo 4-1 headers hpc coated and also changed the zorst to a stainless di fillipo. I was then a happy camper. The car made more power and torque across the board and it drove and sounded a crapload better then it ever had before. It ended up making 236rwkw. A improvement over the tri-y and sureflo custom zorst.

I then had some problems with shuddering under braking. It tuned out the disks were warped and a quick machine fixed that up. A bit later the shuddering came back. So a quick call to PBR and a free replacement set of rotor and pads were dispatched. I had Sonny fit them up and had no worries since, apart from the odd squeal every now and again under light braking. It livable. I then purchased a tb from TBA and had it fitted. It has made a marked improvement in throttle response and I gained a few more ponies as well. The ripshift was getting to unbearable so a trip back to Marrano’s was made and a street shift version was thrown it. It has helped with the noise a heap. There is still a small amount and its much more bearable and I think it’s the best I am going to get it. Motoring bliss from here o was to be expected, but no luck for this camper, the diff now has a bad whine and looks like its shot. So a new diff is now in order.

Lessons Learnt
1.Complete all of your mods before getting a tune done.
2.Think all of your mods through properly and never make a rush decision.
3.Get all your mods done at the one shop. It helps with warranty and back up service if there is ever a problem.
4.Ensure your tune is done by a reputable tuner that has the runs on the board already, and owns there own shop and does not lease dyno time from another workshop.
5.Everyone’s elses opinion, or views on a mod doesn’t always match up to what you are trying to achieve .
6.Enjoy your car and the mod process. Sometimes it may not always go the way you want it to.
7.When your is running well you tend to forget any problems or hassles that moding it has caused.

JB

[RED R8]

Great post mate you have certainly had a run of bad luck.A big factor like you say is getting the car tuned etc in a decent local workshop with a dyno so if anything arises you can get it sorted nice and easy.I hope your car starts giving you some pleasure.

[NickS]

159rwkw to 236rwkw ... it's all good !!!

Quite a story there JB, it always make sense to do everything at once, unfortunately that's not always possible. Hope the diff isn't too much of a drama.

:cheers:

[Mungrel]

Far out, i can't believe all that!
Surely that leading edge tuner should have unlocked your pcm so you could get it tuned elsewhere. To me that signifies that they believe there was something wrong with there tune but didnt want it getting proven or made general knowledge.

I can understand your frustration through the whole process and thankfully you've learnt from the experience.

[Funky_Munky]

Holy crap! That is one hell of a saga. Mate, its pretty sh*thouse how things can work out sometimes, but unfortunately, such is life. Its a good thing that you are using your bad experiences to try and help others who may come across this post.

I had a similar situation, but nothing to that extent. I had an exhaust shop in Sydney (PM me if you want to know the name) install a catback on my VY SS. He advised me it was a 2.5". After taking it to a friend, he advised me that it was in fact a 2.25" which Sureflo confirmed. I count be arsed chasing the business up so I just left it and am hoping that karma will catch up with them. I also bought an SS Inductions CAI before I found this forum.

Hope any future mod works out for you in the future and have no more dramas to deal with. Lucky for me, I found this forum before I planned any further mods on the car. Just waiting for the release of the OTRCAI from Marranos and I will be taking it there for a tune. Best of luck with your future mods mate. Just take this as a lesson learned.

[StevieD]

That story has been similar to my experience and I'm sure many others.

Stuffing around with the cars is good in theory but we never experience high level engineering once we've done too much work. And I'm okay with that because at the end of the day with Holdens we get what we pay for.

Due to the above and Holden's level of after sales service (sub zero) next time I'm gonna go straight to the real thing. M series Bimmer. Enghineered to perfection.

Won't need big brakes or new suspension, and extra HP is optional but not a neccesity

And (hope) I won't be taking it back for warranty repairs every 4 to 6 weeks like I have with the Holden. On that matter I have given up as they never actually fix anything I take it back for. :soap:

[cosmo vyss]

Yes. I did have a run of poor luck/bad workmanship/faulty product, whatever you want to call it. Although I don't believe the tune alone could have sent 3 cats packing. :confused:I think it was the quality of the cats supplied, even though they were 350 a pop.

JB

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

I'm with Nick on this. A little patience, save your money up and do everything you want to do in 1 hit. Depending on how far you go with your car you can save hundreds to at least a thousand.
The other thing is read read read and ummmm..... READ!!! Go for drives in other members cars as well. We all spend some decent bickies on our mods so you want to be dead sure on your purchases.
The only regret I have with my mods is that I didn't do them all at the same time.

[vt350phantom]

Good write up there James, best of luck with the future mods. Hope to race you again at WSID some day!! cheers

[scottb231182]

Would be interesting to find out the brand of cats used, as I have also been through 3 sets of 'hi-flow cats', even though my tune was done by a reputable forum sponsor.

[XCLUB]

Good thread. Once this thread gets momentum be prepared.

You will have helped a lot of people thinking about modifying their car.

[VooDoo]

I killed a few stock cats. Once i had the metal substrate ones put in no more issues. The retune pricing was pretty harsh for you. Ive had a few tweaks and never been charged. I do drop in some beers from time to time though.

[markone2]

The retune pricing was pretty harsh for you. Ive had a few tweaks and never been charged. I do drop in some beers from time to time though.

Standard rate I always thought.. :confused:......

On the subject of cats....only replaced the one in 800 odd runs

[VooDoo]

lol, yes but how many K's a year do you do?

[markone2]

lol, yes but how many K's a year do you do?

around 270 passes :lmao:....and 70 odd Ks on the return Rd


EDIT.....a quick look around the WWW indicates there's another side to this.......should hit here very soon imho

[Oztrack Tuning]

Best way to kill a catalytic converter is to bump the exhaust on a speed hump. The old ones die an easy death the substrate is very poorly anchored inside.

[Clubsport R8]

Notible to the lack of comunication from yourself, how about you voice your opinion in proper detail, with all that was said......

For a start you had a tune done 3 years ago.......did you mention & share with everybody the oil burning issues you had ? or did your memory lapse ? In the early stages your car was using oil & you were notified of this. Wether or not its burning oil now is irrelevent.

You came for a touch up tune hmmmmmmmmm thats really interesting James, what do you classify a "touch up tune" ? You had a full re tune with what you had presented to me, ie, all your long term fuel trims, multiple dyno runs, hence the hours that were put into it........Thats my price ! you did not have to get it done by me hence i will not drop my price to be competitive with others.

If i recall correctly your car ran 13.4 @ 107MPH with 3.46 final drive, you then whent to sonnys had a retune done, with a difilippo system lager throttle, hence the larger dyno figure of 240rwkws correct me if im wrong, then had another outing at the track & could not better the MPH that you previously ran with my tune ! WTF

As far as runs on the board hmmmmmmmmm i will refresh your memory

Hardcore LS1 Turbo 10.2 @142 MPH fastest single turbo ls1 in the country ! i might add

AGRO Turbo SS 10.8 @ 128 MPH

AGRO #2 naturally aspirated 11.2 @ 120MPH

QNLOOK Turbo MONARO 11.5 @ 125MPH

XX269 Naturally aspirated 11.5 @ 120MPH

Our stock internal full weight calais with exhaust coverter & diff gears ran 12.1 @ 110

Clubsport R8 naturally aspirated 11.9 @ 118MPH

Now what runs on the board does your new tuner have ??????

Nuff said ! results speak for themselfs !

[cosmo vyss]

Lets clarify a few points then. My car has never had oil burning issues. Its has never needed the vlave springs changed either. I would have thought that after three goes at trying to get the tune done right for a stocker, it would have been more then enough goes. I don't see ppl taking there car back to get there tune adjusted three times for pinging with a stocker.
On the communication side of things. Everytime i said i wasn't happy with the power output, pinging. The reply was I have squezzed every bit of power it will make. Trust me that is as good as it can be.
As for qtr mile times. The best the car ever run on the tune from you was 13.4 at 106mph and that was on a cold winter night.
Since being re-tuned and run with the 3.9 gears it run a 13.1 at 108 in 35degree day. It is now more economical on fuel and drives smoother and aceelarates better. For some reason it stopped eating cats. When the cats were replaced it wasn't due to being bumped/damaged due to being hit etc.
On the charges issue. Hey if thats what you charge then, good for you. Why would a stocker with just the headers changed need a full re-tune? You should be a millionare with those rates. As you can see from previous ppl's posts, that is not what is normally charged.
As for runs on the board. A handleful of cars running numbers does not equate to success in my eyes. It not always about qtr mile timeslips. It more about having heaps of happy customers that come back because they know they will get what they really want and nothing is to hard for them to do.
This thread was not for mud slinging, name calling etc. It was just my experience and my views. I would rather here more about other ppl's experiences then getting into a slanging match with you.

JB

Jusy for everyone to now. I mad ean eror in my previous post. The best time the car ran on its first tune was 13.553 at 103.99mph. The air temp was 20 and relative humidity 59. There was no track temp on the slip. The run was done at 6.09pm.

The new tuner time was 13.195 at 108.6 mph. Track temp was 48 degree's, relative humidity was 23. Air temp was 30. This run was done at 3.34pm. And not this run was done prior to the new tb and headers.
I don't see how diff gears make 4pmh and .4 second.

I just went back through my wsid slips. Hopefully this clears things up a bit more.

JB

[vt350phantom]

Now what runs on the board does your new tuner have ??????



I'd say Sonny would have rather a large number of runs on the board :)

[wagnman]

Meeeoww! I smell a cat fight!




Better get out tha deck chairs for this one!:rofl:


Just remember guys that the true test of a business is how it responds to complaints! no one is perfect.

[NickS]

I'd say Sonny would have rather a large number of runs on the board :)

Some count runs on the board by a handful of 1/4 mile times ... some count runs on the board by cars overflowing out the workshop doors and more people wanting work than they can keep up with. When Leading Edge has the reputation Sonny has and the customer loyalty Sonny has, maybe then we can talk about "runs on the board".

[wablacksv8]

I agree it's not just about 1/4 mile times, being happy with the tune/mods, getting value for your money and important as well is backup service. Lets face it most cars will actually spend most of their life as a daily driver, so if you're unhappy then this is what happens.

[HardcoreLS1]

Some count runs on the board by a handful of 1/4 mile times ... some count runs on the board by cars overflowing out the workshop doors and more people wanting work than they can keep up with. When Leading Edge has the reputation Sonny has and the customer loyalty Sonny has, maybe then we can talk about "runs on the board".

What can be said except there's a lot of wood ducks that like to part with their money for sub standard performance,and think the're get good value, correct me if I am wrong but the last cruise you and I were on, you were drooling over the performance of my VX and how hard it ran, and if 1/4 mile times are'nt important why do you and the rest of the Sonny clan attend private track hire days if 1/4 mile times are of no relevance, seriously though i've seen cars with big Dyno figures come out of Marrano's but they can't back it up at the track, does'nt that make you wonder?

[dadem0n]

The other thing is read read read and ummmm..... READ!!!

I think talk, talk talk to people is much more important. Only believe 10% of what you read on the internet. I agree this forum is a great source of information but it is not all unbiased chit-chat either.

Look at that wax-u place and the crap fight that turned into. And yet if you had read on here about them, they were the ducks guts. Get out and talk to others and it was evident something was wrong :)


Some count runs on the board by a handful of 1/4 mile times ... some count runs on the board by cars overflowing out the workshop doors and more people wanting work than they can keep up with. When Leading Edge has the reputation Sonny has and the customer loyalty Sonny has, maybe then we can talk about "runs on the board".

Customer loyalty is a very different thing! Just because one company is a paying sponsor of this forum and has a very slick marketing campaign with an army of one eyed supporters behind them, doesn't make them necessarily any better than a non-sponsor :teach: Hell, even C&V have only just reappeared if you only look at LS1.com.au ;) They have the "runs on the board" and have had the fastest LS1 in the WORLD, but not the comprehensive marketing of others. Hell, if you check back posts from a couple of years ago, some of the stupid basic questions that some "now" forum sponsors have asked, you wouldn't take your car within 10ft of them :eek:

It's true, people view "runs on the board" differently to others. Some want a nice dyno chart, others want a car that goes like stink on the road, others want a quick 1320ft.
Basically every usual forum sponsor and others like Russo Performance (fastest NOS car), Leading Edge (fastest single turbo), C&V (fastest kiwi :lmao:) had cars at the nationals but I didn't see one Marranos car :confused:

Doesn't mean its wrong, just that some people want to see results and back them up different :)

[HardcoreLS1]

Lets clarify a few points then. My car has never had oil burning issues. Its has never needed the vlave springs changed either. I would have thought that after three goes at trying to get the tune done right for a stocker, it would have been more then enough goes. I don't see ppl taking there car back to get there tune adjusted three times for pinging with a stocker.
On the communication side of things. Everytime i said i wasn't happy with the power output, pinging. The reply was I have squezzed every bit of power it will make. Trust me that is as good as it can be.
As for qtr mile times. The best the car ever run on the tune from you was 13.4 at 106mph and that was on a cold winter night.
Since being re-tuned and run with the 3.9 gears it run a 13.1 at 108 in 35degree day. It is now more economical on fuel and drives smoother and aceelarates better. For some reason it stopped eating cats. When the cats were replaced it wasn't due to being bumped/damaged due to being hit etc.
On the charges issue. Hey if thats what you charge then, good for you. Why would a stocker with just the headers changed need a full re-tune? You should be a millionare with those rates. As you can see from previous ppl's posts, that is not what is normally charged.
As for runs on the board. A handleful of cars running numbers does not equate to success in my eyes. It not always about qtr mile timeslips. It more about having heaps of happy customers that come back because they know they will get what they really want and nothing is to hard for them to do.
This thread was not for mud slinging, name calling etc. It was just my experience and my views. I would rather here more about other ppl's experiences then getting into a slanging match with you.

JB

Jusy for everyone to now. I mad ean eror in my previous post. The best time the car ran on its first tune was 13.553 at 103.99mph. The air temp was 20 and relative humidity 59. There was no track temp on the slip. The run was done at 6.09pm.
The new tuner time was 13.195 at 108.6 mph. Track temp was 48 degree's, relative humidity was 23. Air temp was 30. This run was done at 3.34pm. And not this run was done prior to the new tb and headers.
I don't see how diff gears make 4pmh and .4 second.

I just went back through my wsid slips. Hopefully this clears things up a bit more.

JB

I think you lying and trying to stir up shit!!!

Hi all,
I am currently planning a list of mods to my current ride. At this point in time my car has the following:
2nd cia hole
pacemaker tri-y with high flow cats
sureflow m/s custom dual 2 1/2 zorst
hsv short shifter
3.9 diff gears
mafless tune (gts maf pipe ) - tune done by leading edge tuning (Tim has been nothing but helpful and has provided after sales assistance and ideas.)

The car in its current state with shagged rubber runs mid 13s at 106mph it has run a 107 as well. My 60'shave been 2.1/2.2. Its best dyno run has produced 214rwkw, which I consider to be a poor result for the mods I have done. I am disappointed with the car in its current state considering that most other car with the same mods are making alot higher rwkw and seem to be doing alot better at the track.

Noting my lack of success to date I am planning a list of mods to be done in one hit. I will take the car off the road say for a week maybe and get all the mods done at once. I would like the car to be a sleeper and not attract any unwanted attention. I am going to list a heap of mods and would ask what ppl think of these and how as an overall package do you think it will perform. I would like to have a quality daily driver and reasonable track/qtr performance. Lets say my goal for the qtr would be mid 12's.My planned mods are:

ripshift
harrop diff cover and anti tramp kit
pbr brake kit
pt otrcai
cam fitted and tune size and spec to be decided. (valve spring etc). I am thinking about 212/212 at 112lsa this cam seems to be a solid all round performer with a good torque range. I have also had a comp 224/226 recommended. I want to have a reasonable fuel economy say 18/100 round town and 13/100 on the highway cruising at 110. I hope these are attainable.

a performance clutch of some sort when the current one gives up.

others at a later date:
hsv vyr8 binnacle gauges and 3 window dash. I am able to buy these form ebay and holden etc but I am yet to find a dealer that will fit them for a reasonable price. any help here is appreciated.

With these extra mods I am aware I may have to change insurers and the cost will of course increase.
Is there anything else that anyone would recommend. How do you think as an overall package the car would perform. Maybe some experiences with this type of setup etc.
I will be going os with work for approx 3 months and these are planned on my return. I will purchase all the parts except for the cam and give them to the shop that does the cam to install at the same time. I haven’t decided on what shop yet to do this.

jb

So what is it? 13.5@103.99 or 13.5@106-7 with shagged rubber,:rofl:
And you spent another $3000-$4000 to pick up 1 mph, your a :jester: maybe you should have put some decent rubber on the car in the beginning and run 110Mph and saved the money for a cam :lmao: talk about a wood duck.

[seedyrom]

I promised myself i'd stay out of this thread, as I always seem to be involved in Sydney mud-slinging contests, but to say your VX is better than NickS' stable ???

Not in those words I know, but saying Nick was drooling over your car .... is a statement that the performance of his own cars is less than adequate.

Last time I checked, he wasn't building a quarter-mile bandit. Might explain why he slaps $8,000+ brake packages on them. :teach:

Mate, i've had a turbo for 18+ months ... and have gone down the quarter mile literally once. At 1/4 throttle. Due to a fuel pump issue not related to Marrano's. (do a search, its all there).

So you're saying that I really care about quarter mile performance? Frig no!!!
I went to get a bench mark, cause i've never been before, and cause I wanted a social outing.

Listen Vin, you may lead your life one quarter mile at a time, but there's a crap load of people that dont. They just want a nice bit of kit, that they can drive around in, do 3 point turns in narrow streets with ease, not worry about jerking/stalling in car parks getting into tight spots, and letting the wife drive around in it with the kids.


What you find is "Marrano's Enhancement Division" is an off-shoot to "Marrano's Mechanical Repairs". A workshop that is an NRMA Approved Repairer, and is there to do regular servicing aswell. I.e. if they make it go fast, they also need to ensure that it is reliable, as the customer is generally modifying a daily driver or family car.


Now Cosmo's thread did turn into something that looked like an ad for Marrano's and was just out to bag other workshops.

I can't confirm whether that was the point, but what I can say is that i've been in a similar situation. Losing $1500 on a disgracefully dangerous tune.
I went 'public' and was shot down aswell. All I wanted to do was warn others and give a bit of advice, and instead I was threatened with legal action, LS1.com.au was threatened with legal action, others near me were threatened, and the thread came down.


I digress.

Saying "they can't back it up at the track", might stem from the fact that they haven't gone to a "Track specialist" workshop in the first place.

Lesson learnt ?


Your friend,
seedy

[cosmo vyss]

I think you lying and trying to stir up shit!!!


So what is it? 13.5@103.99 or 13.5@106-7 with shagged rubber,:rofl:
And you spent another $3000-$4000 to pick up 1 mph, your a :jester: maybe you should have put some decent rubber on the car in the beginning and run 110Mph and saved the money for a cam :lmao: talk about a wood duck.

After re-checking all time slips. yep 13.5 AT 104 was the best time it run on its first tune. Hell it even had the 3.9's in it. That mean the new tune gave it .4 of a gain and 4mph.
That post you quoted before was with numbers just to give an indication of where the car was at. Note on the keyboard that the 7 is just above the four so its easy to hit in error.

I don't why you you weighed into this thread. You obviously have no real valid input, except to call me a wood duck.
This isn't a slinging match, just my previous experiences. Leave the name calling to the five and six year olds at school hey. That is where it belongs.
This isn't a argument over who is the best tuner. It was a thread for ppl to voice there previous modding experiences and how it went and the things that happened along the way.

JB

[HardcoreLS1]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:stupid:

Thats gotta be the dumbest post of the week.

I promised myself i'd stay out of this thread, as I always seem to be involved in Sydney mud-slinging contests, but to say your VX is better than NickS' stable ???

Not in those words I know, but saying Nick was drooling over your car .... is a statement that the performance of his own cars is less than adequate.

Last time I checked, he wasn't building a quarter-mile bandit. Might explain why he slaps $8,000+ brake packages on them. :teach:

Mate, i've had a turbo for 18+ months ... and have gone down the quarter mile literally once. At 1/4 throttle. Due to a fuel pump issue not related to Marrano's. (do a search, its all there).

So you're saying that I really care about quarter mile performance? Frig no!!!
I went to get a bench mark, cause i've never been before, and cause I wanted a social outing.

Listen Vin, you may lead your life one quarter mile at a time, but there's a crap load of people that dont. They just want a nice bit of kit, that they can drive around in, do 3 point turns in narrow streets with ease, not worry about jerking/stalling in car parks getting into tight spots, and letting the wife drive around in it with the kids.


What you find is "Marrano's Enhancement Division" is an off-shoot to "Marrano's Mechanical Repairs". A workshop that is an NRMA Approved Repairer, and is there to do regular servicing aswell. I.e. if they make it go fast, they also need to ensure that it is reliable, as the customer is generally modifying a daily driver or family car.


Now Cosmo's thread did turn into something that looked like an ad for Marrano's and was just out to bag other workshops.

I can't confirm whether that was the point, but what I can say is that i've been in a similar situation. Losing $1500 on a disgracefully dangerous tune.
I went 'public' and was shot down aswell. All I wanted to do was warn others and give a bit of advice, and instead I was threatened with legal action, LS1.com.au was threatened with legal action, others near me were threatened, and the thread came down.


I digress.

Saying "they can't back it up at the track", might stem from the fact that they haven't gone to a "Track specialist" workshop in the first place.

Lesson learnt ?


Your friend,
seedy

Thats funny because up until a couple of months ago my car was a daily driver covering 1000+ km per week, but due to it's performance I was unable to return to WSID so I made the choice to put a roll cage, harness, race seat, scatter shield, tail shaft loops etc in to continue my hobby, I'm not a "Vin Diesel" :lmao:as you so eloquently put it(although I do have a shaved head), but I do enjoy racing in a safe controlled enviroment with all the correct safety features in the vehicle. So thats the choice I made with the car. As for Cosmo he should word his posts more carefully as they will be scrutinized, and in this case he is obviously blantantly lying and has been caught out.

[cosmo vyss]

Would be interesting to find out the brand of cats used, as I have also been through 3 sets of 'hi-flow cats', even though my tune was done by a reputable forum sponsor.


Standard rate I always thought.. :confused:......

On the subject of cats....only replaced the one in 800 odd runs


Best way to kill a catalytic converter is to bump the exhaust on a speed hump. The old ones die an easy death the substrate is very poorly anchored inside.

I wouldn't think that three cats in small period of time would let go, get blocked etc. I beleive it come down to the qaulity of cat.

JB


Thats funny because up until a couple of months ago my car was a daily driver covering 1000+ km per week, but due to it's performance I was unable to return to WSID so I made the choice to put a roll cage, harness, race seat, scatter shield, tail shaft loops etc in to continue my hobby, I'm not a "Vin Diesel" :lmao:as you so eloquently put it(although I do have a shaved head), but I do enjoy racing in a safe controlled enviroment with all the correct safety features in the vehicle. So thats the choice I made with the car. As for Cosmo he should word his posts more carefully as they will be scrutinized, and in this case he is obviously blantantly lying and has been caught out.

. I can't beleive that your still stuck on calling ppl names. If you call someone a liar for a typo, that is just plain crazy and it was addressed in a earlier post.
Your input into this thread thus far has been nothing but calling ppl names and has had no real valid point. Unless you have something decent to imput, then I suggest that you go down to the local school yard and play with the kids as the name calling forum is there.

JB

[CarlFST60L]

Great write up mate,

I was offered to get my VY into the 11's, but i had no interest doing all those little things that add up to an 11's 1/4 car, or spending that much time at the drags to learn how to peddle, ffs, its even been published in the mag's on how to get into the 11's! and I still wouldnt do it unless i had a spare car, plus, a love for drag racing that would take me back to the track every week...

I know there are high HP car's from other shops that dont back the numbers up due to true street setup, average drivers etc or they have ran the numbers, and cbf with the car setup so now they run for fun in true street trim...

Quote: "The new tune gave it .4 of a gain and 4mph."
That new would have felt so much faster, hey, i would pay $2000 for .4 and 4mph in street trim.

[bermudablue]

I still wouldnt do it unless i had a spare car, plus, a love for drag racing that would take me back to the track every week...

Hehe you're already thinking about taking the R8 back next week:p

[CarlFST60L]

Hehe you're already thinking about taking the R8 back next week:p

I would like to see how well I can get it to go as i drive it from work with all 1980kg, but wont be able to make it for a couple of week, so worst case we have the drag day next month :)

[HardcoreLS1]

I wouldn't think that three cats in small period of time would let go, get blocked etc. I beleive it come down to the qaulity of cat.

JB



. I can't beleive that your still stuck on calling ppl names. If you call someone a liar for a typo, that is just plain crazy and it was addressed in a earlier post.
Your input into this thread thus far has been nothing but calling ppl names and has had no real valid point. Unless you have something decent to imput, then I suggest that you go down to the local school yard and play with the kids as the name calling forum is there.

JB

How can you call this
The car in its current state with shagged rubber runs mid 13s at 106mph it has run a 107 as well
a TYPO, I think your just upset because you got caught out spinning a high tale:bawl:

[markone2]

I digress.

Saying "they can't back it up at the track", might stem from the fact that they haven't gone to a "Track specialist" workshop in the first place.


seedy



Me too :)

Lets not fall into the trap of believing as Gospel that ever increasing tale doing the rounds that a quick car over the quarter cannot have all the attributes of a comfortable well mannered daily driver….I have a cam only WH11 Caprice here that would destroy that theory in an instant… should you care to take a leisurely cruise around sunny Brisbane town…..Sounds like a stocker and so I’m reliably informed by every 2nd person idles like a stocker …. of course the tuner involved would take full credit for that accomplishment ,which see’s the 11 second Caprice in question leading a double life of weekend warrior and weekday company Limousine...

[RedVYIISS]

11.1 @ 124 mph, 1777 kg, Gt35 (baby) turbo, radials and circuit suspension (no drag setup)
50,000 km since turbo installed, zero turbo/tune related issues
Tuned by Sonny.

It's a 10 second car with a little setup and weight reduction would only make it quicker..... if I wanted a quarter mile weapon (which I don't).

Get serious, if one of Sonny's customers wanted a serious quarter miler built for them he'd build one as fast as any other reputable workshop could build.... and get it right first time.

[CarlFST60L]

11.1 @ 124 mph, 1777 kg, Gt35 (baby) turbo, radials and circuit suspension (no drag setup)
50,000 km since turbo installed, zero turbo/tune related issues
Tuned by Sonny.

It's a 10 second car with a little setup and weight reduction would only make it quicker..... if I wanted a quarter mile weapon (which I don't).

Get serious, if one of Sonny's customers wanted a serious quarter miler built for them he'd build one as fast as any other reputable workshop could build.... and get it right first time.

Wheres the thanks button dam it :lol:

[RED R8]

11.1 @ 124 mph, 1777 kg, Gt35 (baby) turbo, radials and circuit suspension (no drag setup)
50,000 km since turbo installed, zero turbo/tune related issues
Tuned by Sonny.

It's a 10 second car with a little setup and weight reduction would only make it quicker..... if I wanted a quarter mile weapon (which I don't).

Get serious, if one of Sonny's customers wanted a serious quarter miler built for them he'd build one as fast as any other reputable workshop could build.... and get it right first time.

Of what I have read on hear I would take my car to sonny in an instant.There seems to be some tuners who spend more time blowing there own trumpets and posting every single car of theres that has run a good quater which is not every drivers main goal and there are the tuner/workshops that go about building good strong cars that please every customer who hands over the dollars (the quite attcheivers).I am sure Sonney could make a list of many quatermile killers and tell everyone who drives out of there to join in post up there numbers and become part of the little forum fanclub/cheersquad or he can keep doing what he is doing and that is pleasing all the satisfied customers who's cars fill his workshop.

[NickS]

What can be said except there's a lot of wood ducks that like to part with their money for sub standard performance,and think the're get good value, correct me if I am wrong but the last cruise you and I were on, you were drooling over the performance of my VX and how hard it ran, and if 1/4 mile times are'nt important why do you and the rest of the Sonny clan attend private track hire days if 1/4 mile times are of no relevance, seriously though i've seen cars with big Dyno figures come out of Marrano's but they can't back it up at the track, does'nt that make you wonder?

Mark ... I wasn't trying to have a go at you or anyone else and I certainly wasn't saying your car isn't impressive. Was I impressed, hell yes ... without a doubt. It was the 1st turbo car I had seen up close, running next to you on the freeway was a ball, you absolutely killed me (in the SS). To be fair everyone has to know that at that point in time I didn't have the Coupe 4 back, I had no idea how hard these cars go with a turbo. Would I be as impressed if I had seen your car after driving around in mine ... no way. Credit where credit is due, I'd still say "nice job", but the only reason I was so impressed is because I had never experienced it before.

I wasn't trying to have a go at you guys, on re-reading I think I did anyway. My point was that 1/4 miles are not everything. Why do I go to the private days ??? For some fun, chat with some mates, drive fast and watch other guys cars drive fast. If I cared about the time do you really think I would be running my car with spare wheel in the boot, baby seats in the back, full tank of fuel ... the car weighed 2075 kgs. I'm out there to have a bit of fun, that's it.

Most, if not all, of Sonny's customers want a car that runs great and is reliable. It seems that most of them don't give a toss about drag racing ... that's not Sonny's fault. I have witnessed him, on more than one occasion, ask people if they want to take their car out and see how it goes on the 1/4, and on each occasion the response has been "nah, can't be stuffed". Digs were made at Sonny because he didn't have "runs on the board" ... my only point was that he has plenty of "runs on the board". His runs are in the form of a huge customer base and customer loyalty / retention that is 2nd to none. Not every one lives their life for the 1/4 mile.

Man ... what a rant, I'm going to go and play with the kids.

:wave:

[Dee Jay]

correct me if I am wrong but the last cruise you and I were on, you were drooling over the performance of my VX and how hard it ran,? So that was before Nick had his Turbo car !! now that is a huge omission, puts the statement back into perspective, doesnt it??





seriously though i've seen cars with big Dyno figures come out of Marrano's but they can't back it up at the track, does'nt that make you wonder? Cant back it up or have not tried???


Cheers

[seedyrom]

Totally off-topic but ...

so I made the choice to put a roll cage, harness, race seat, scatter shield, tail shaft loops etc in to continue my hobby
What's a scatter shield? and can I see some pics of your cage?
Sounds interesting.
Are there any more developments in the push to get ANDRA to move the cage requirment to 9.99 sec cars and under?

Cheers,
Seedy

[HARMSY]

I give ya credit cosmo for telling it how it is and letting people in on your experiences to date. I'm with most others, a rate a workshop on it's loyalties and ability to keep the customer happy and coming back. It's not all about the 1/4mile, that is just one of the many aspects and possibilities when modding a car, people get to caught up on how quick a car goes down the 1/4. My wags ain't no 1/4 mile beast, but as far as the street goes i consider it up there.....

My 2c

[Plan B]

Most, if not all, of Sonny's customers want a car that runs great and is reliable. It seems that most of them don't give a toss about drag racing ... that's not Sonny's fault.

Oi! EASE UP TURBO!!!! :lol:

I have a Sonny built twin turbo AWD “dream car” which effortlessly tows the race car all around the country! It’s done over 45,000k’s and just drives “nice” every day of the week. It was done once, It was done right and it’s flawless!..... It also has a Sureflow Exhaust System Too! :)

As for the Drag car and drag racing or any form of off road motor sport in general; most would know, I’ve had quite a few combo’s over the years and there is absolutely no question in my mind that the more you mod the car to perform off road well, the more you take away from that first day of dealership delivery…..

This thread, I believe portrays a common learning vein which many of us have experienced! “Choose your poison wisely” and above all, contact the original supplier, tuner, installer for customer support, prior spending your money again on the mod merry-go-round! It helps to save electricity! … ;)

Pete.

[DaveHAT]

11.1 @ 124 mph, 1777 kg, Gt35 (baby) turbo, radials and circuit suspension (no drag setup)
50,000 km since turbo installed, zero turbo/tune related issues
Tuned by Sonny.

It's a 10 second car with a little setup and weight reduction would only make it quicker..... if I wanted a quarter mile weapon (which I don't).

Get serious, if one of Sonny's customers wanted a serious quarter miler built for them he'd build one as fast as any other reputable workshop could build.... and get it right first time.

THANKS ....
:thumbsup:



Most, if not all, of Sonny's customers want a car that runs great and is reliable. It seems that most of them don't give a toss about drag racing ... that's not Sonny's fault. I have witnessed him, on more than one occasion, ask people if they want to take their car out and see how it goes on the 1/4, and on each occasion the response has been "nah, can't be stuffed". Digs were made at Sonny because he didn't have "runs on the board" ... my only point was that he has plenty of "runs on the board". His runs are in the form of a huge customer base and customer loyalty / retention that is 2nd to none. Not every one lives their life for the 1/4 mile.


If people only knew how true this is. I also don't get this argy bargy shit about the 1/4 being the be all and end all of how good a tuner/workshop is and who can piss the furthest.

1/4 mile says what in reality?

I can tune for WOT?
I can set up a car to run fast in a straight line for 400m?
We can strip a car to reduce weight to run fast?


Anything I've forgotten?

How many of these all conquering drag racing LS1s are run as they are driven day to day? Don't get me wrong, all respect to those that can run quick times at the drags but people on this forum seem to have memories of convenience which are applied as the needs suits. One thread will bang on about 1/4 mile being all about power (which is obviously important) and then the next thread will say that to go fast you don't need "big numbers" but a well setup car (i.e. sub 13 sec cars with little over 210rwkw). Is it not a combination of both or is this conveniently forgotten depending on the thread?

Apples with oranges as always and it would be unlikely that any 2 cars that post times run at the drags are run in identical guise, thus comparison becomes void and irrelevant.

Anyway, sorry JB I know this isn't really in the theme of your thread. Good info there and stuff that newcomers to LS1 modifying can learn much from. As an unofficial "cheer squad" member I am another who measures a workshop's "runs on the board" by loyalty, bullshit deficits and quality of workmanship ... all of which Marrano's is guilty of. I don't know of too many workshops where you can guarantee that your car will be treated as if it were the workshop owners.

Maybe I don't look hard enough but why should I when it can be done right the first time?:yup:

[RED R8]

Well said^^^^ It makes me laugh,take my car for example I had a cam and new tune done I chose a workshop that had a very good reputation for quality and spending the time to do it right.
Now I chose a smallish cam as I wanted good day to day performance with good manners but also a good jump in power,I did get all three and I liked the fact that I was asked What do YOU want .
So I go to the strip and run with full weight plus full tank with my road 19" tyres a 12.6 @115 mph (I was happy) if I jumped on hear and gloated about my times people would have said your car is slow for cam only and (had doubt in my tuner).
I then parked the car and bolted on some slicks (streets) and got in two passes on them for a best of a 12.1 @115 (not bad getting better).

I plan to over the off season bolt on a few more goodies buy my own streets and do some set up for a goal time of 11.7 @117mph ,if I attcheive this people will now say wow great times your tuner has done an awesome tune
BUT THE TUNE hasn't changed since day one and I am still only able to attcheive the same performance on the street as the 12.6 because I dont daily drive on slicks.I hope you are following my banter I am just trying to say the same car with the same tune can run 12.6 to 11.7 with different set ups making my tuner go from average to great is dependent on what other mods I do to my car (not to mention people who cant drive well down the quater) this shows the tune is only one piece of a big puzzle and that my 100% satisfaction comes from the way my car drives in day to day driving and from the satisfaction of getting exactly what I asked and paid for. :)

[CarlFST60L]

BUT THE TUNE hasn't changed since day one and I am still only able to attcheive the same performance on the street as the 12.6 because I dont daily drive on slicks.

Mate, i think you just hit the nail on the head

[cosmo vyss]

Well said^^^^ It makes me laugh,take my car for example I had a cam and new tune done I chose a workshop that had a very good reputation for quality and spending the time to do it right.
Now I chose a smallish cam as I wanted good day to day performance with good manners but also a good jump in power,I did get all three and I liked the fact that I was asked What do YOU want .
So I go to the strip and run with full weight plus full tank with my road 19" tyres a 12.6 @115 mph (I was happy) if I jumped on hear and gloated about my times people would have said your car is slow for cam only and (had doubt in my tuner).
I then parked the car and bolted on some slicks (streets) and got in two passes on them for a best of a 12.1 @115 (not bad getting better).

I plan to over the off season bolt on a few more goodies buy my own streets and do some set up for a goal time of 11.7 @117mph ,if I attcheive this people will now say wow great times your tuner has done an awesome tune
BUT THE TUNE hasn't changed since day one and I am still only able to attcheive the same performance on the street as the 12.6 because I dont daily drive on slicks.I hope you are following my banter I am just trying to say the same car with the same tune can run 12.6 to 11.7 with different set ups making my tuner go from average to great is dependent on what other mods I do to my car (not to mention people who cant drive well down the quater) this shows the tune is only one piece of a big puzzle and that my 100% satisfaction comes from the way my car drives in day to day driving and from the satisfaction of getting exactly what I asked and paid for. :)

Good to hear your mods went well and you the result you were after was achieved with little fuss. I couldn't agree more the tune is only part of the deal when you are chasing track times. :)

JB

[markone2]

How many of these all conquering drag racing LS1s are run as they are driven day to day?


This one.....as previously mentioned on post 34...will attend its weekday duties exactly as it was driven tonight out the gates of Willowbank...Cam only full weight WH 11 Caprice ......err make that minus the trusty Esky ...thirsty work indeed these Willowbank meets...

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/markone2/11.69.jpg

[seedyrom]

was its mod list done with drag racing in mind?

The point of this thread (well the direction its turned to) is that most people's mods aren't done for 1/4 mile performance.

Your cars have been setup with the goal of being daily driven track bandits.
I'm glad that every second person thinks it idles like a stocker. Maybe holden should start putting 6000 rpm stallies in stockers aswell.

Sorry mark, but claiming you don't go to a track specialist workshop (remind me again what else powertorque engines do?), and that its just a daily driver caprice that you're peddling, makes it sound like 11's were an unexpected by-product of your mods.
The reality is that 11's were the goal aswell as good manners, and you've set the car up and achieved it.

Congratulations to you. But the fact remains, nearly no one else, apart from oztrack, leatherman, yourself and maybe a couple of others are setting up cars specifically for quarter mile racing, which exhibit very mild street manners.
To continually beat your drum in this thread is laughible, as you're the most experienced drag racer here, and that's the point of this thread. The average mug in his modded car, not someone with 1000+ runs under his belt, and a car built for drag racing.

[dadem0n]

Sorry mark, but claiming you don't go to a track specialist workshop (remind me again what else powertorque engines do?).....

You may actually find that Mark from PT (the tuner, not markone2) is actually from a circuit racing background and all these guys that don't like corners are quite amusing to him :rofl:

[seedyrom]

sorry i wasn't clear.
I was making reference to the fact the they are a dedicated speed shop (attleast that's what I gleaned from the sponsor in the spotlight article on them a year ago).

Just like the name "Sams Performance Engines" lets you know he'll build you a ballsy, wheels-up monster, but if your wondering where the squeak is coming from in your 82 KB laser, there's probably more appropriate workshops to visit . I didn't realise 'powertorque engines' also did general servicing on cars that aren't being modified for going fast. If so the name is quite deceptive.

and no, i'm not having a dig at powertorque in anyway.

I just think its a bit rich saying they aren't track specialists, since their cars basically set the records up in qld.
From everything Markone2 has done, to Leatherman's victory down south at the Nat's.

Unless of course you actually were meaning to say that PT just did the tune/cam/gears etc, but they've played no real part in getting your cars down the quarter quickly.

in which case I humbly apologize

[VooDoo]

Seedy, as much as i'd love to say it was all PT's hard work the reality is they do the mechanical work on cars and tune but have never done any setup work on my car. If PT were to setup a car for the drags im sure they would talk to Markone2 to get some secrets. Im not saying they dont know how to, just they are so busy with engines and mechanical stuff, setting up cars is the last thing they want. In the last 18 mths ive seen them at the track ONCE.

Oh, and ive seen Marks Caprice.... i thought it was a stocker not BBB2. Its very quiet and does drive like miss daisy.

[markone2]

. Maybe holden should start putting 6000 rpm stallies in stockers aswell.

.


I'd be more inclined to recommend the High stall currently residing in the Caprice that holds 4th accelerating up hill in 60K zones with four adults on board while driving in *E*……….none the less, the prospect of dropping one of PT’s famed 6K stalls into the car has not been dismissed out of hand…if and when , I can get the green light from the owner to pull the car from week day duties to in an attempt to reel out the odd 1.4 sixty foot …..you can rest assured ,said 6K converter will then be nestled comfortably between the running gear of the big Caprice :)



Unless of course you actually were meaning to say that PT just did the tune/cam/gears etc, but they've played no real part in getting your cars down the quarter quickly.

i


No call for apologizes......PT built and tuned this car...*Mark and Shauns* input has been invaluble......I just like pushing boundries now and again when adherring to a strict $$$$$ build order...makes for a regular constitution imho ;)..

[Vulture]

If people only knew how true this is. I also don't get this argy bargy shit about the 1/4 being the be all and end all of how good a tuner/workshop is and who can piss the furthest.

1/4 mile says what in reality?

I can tune for WOT?
I can set up a car to run fast in a straight line for 400m?
We can strip a car to reduce weight to run fast?



Good points as I have been led to believe that a WOT tune is relatively 'easy' compared with tuning for drivability at all load and rpm points. Nice idle etc. Who's to say that some of those cars running quick quarters were not also pinging all the way down the track? Setting up the car to run quickly, even in a straight line is far from easy, though. If it was we'd all be running low 11s all day. And then there's the driver...

PT do spend time building up cars to customer's specs. Mine for example is not a track weapon, although I am sure that it could be if I followed M12s advice to the letter but I have set it up as more of a compromise which I am happy with (eg, big brakes and coil-over suspension). Mark at PT also will spend time getting the tune right for happy street manners.

[SS Enforcer]

Good points as I have been led to believe that a WOT tune is relatively 'easy' compared with tuning for drivability at all load and rpm points. Nice idle etc. Who's to say that some of those cars running quick quarters were not also pinging all the way down the track? Setting up the car to run quickly, even in a straight line is far from easy, though. If it was we'd all be running low 11s all day. And then there's the driver...

PT do spend time building up cars to customer's specs. Mine for example is not a track weapon, although I am sure that it could be if I followed M12s advice to the letter but I have set it up as more of a compromise which I am happy with (eg, big brakes and coil-over suspension). Mark at PT also will spend time getting the tune right for happy street manners.

What happened to your TT setup Simon ?

cheers

[CarlFST60L]

Mark, you have been VERY fast for a long time :bow:

Maybe you can do a little unbiased experiment, get a normal driver that has only ran at the drags a maximum 1 or 2 times, get them to drive the car with street rubber (not ET's or equiv) at STANDARD street pressures (must be as delievered from the factory front and rear), dont let them even lift the bonnet at the drags, no ice, no extra cooling, run what ever air filter it does on the street, standard fuel with no additives, complete standard tune it runs daily, no weight reduction in ANY form (including full weight wheels), dont even coach them how to drive it, just let them run it how they think is best... All with just the FULL daily setup... Would you do it, no tricks, and post that timeslip to compare with?

Would be a good experiment i think :)

[Uncle Tone]

Mark, you have been VERY fast for a long time :bow:

Maybe you can do a little unbiased experiment, get a normal driver that has only ran at the drags a maximum 1 or 2 times, get them to drive the car with street rubber (not ET's or equiv) at STANDARD street pressures (must be as delievered from the factory front and rear), dont let them even lift the bonnet at the drags, no ice, no extra cooling, run what ever air filter it does on the street, standard fuel with no additives, complete standard tune it runs daily, no weight reduction in ANY form (including full weight wheels), dont even coach them how to drive it, just let them run it how they think is best... All with just the FULL daily setup... Would you do it, no tricks, and post that timeslip to compare with?

Would be a good experiment i think :)

Hehe...I'll volunteer for driving duties!!! :deal:

[markone2]

Mark, you have been VERY fast for a long time :bow:

Maybe you can do a little unbiased experiment, get a normal driver that has only ran at the drags a maximum 1 or 2 times, get them to drive the car with street rubber (not ET's or equiv) at STANDARD street pressures (must be as delievered from the factory front and rear), dont let them even lift the bonnet at the drags, no ice, no extra cooling, run what ever air filter it does on the street, standard fuel with no additives, complete standard tune it runs daily, no weight reduction in ANY form (including full weight wheels), dont even coach them how to drive it, just let them run it how they think is best... All with just the FULL daily setup... Would you do it, no tricks, and post that timeslip to compare with?

Would be a good experiment i think :)

:eek: I don’t ..putting non semi comp tyres at 30psi plus on an 11 second car with a novice behind the wheel is akin to writing out a death warrant imo. .won't do it...I've got way to much respect for the track ( and the car ) after 1000 odd runs to pull that caper I'm sorry..in fact you may have missed that this car runs semi comps 24x7..in due respect for putting the power where it belongs.....Firmly on the tarmac....
As for full weight / pump gas / 24x7 tune its already been done with a newbie behind the wheel ... with no tricks........ :idea: ask SS Berlina where his 1st 11 second time slip arrived from...not sure if it was his 2nd or 3rd drive in the car down the strip ........you'd need to ask him....:)

[FatBoy]

With my car i'll probably run it once or twice a year for fun. That's it...

What's more important to me is how it drives day in, day out including through Sydney's sh!tful traffic - because that's where i spend an hour or more each day going to work and back. It also has to tow a boat and a dirtbike around, so it'll never be a drag warrior.

I'm not knocking anyone who enjoys their drag racing, it's good fun but what the car runs down the quarter isn't really all that relevant to the majority of people...

BTW - Isn't it strange how the thread started talking about a particular experience but then the same people with an axe to grind start slinging off at another shop as they always do. Grow up...

[CarlFST60L]

:eek: I don’t ..putting non semi comp tyres at 30psi plus on an 11 second car with a novice behind the wheel is akin to writing out a death warrant imo.

Ok, so you drive :stick:

There are heaps of guys that drive 11 second street cars at the strip on street tyres, they might only run mid to late 12's, but its all good fun

[markone2]

Ok, so you drive :stick:

There are heaps of guys that drive 11 second street cars at the strip on street tyres, they might only run mid to late 12's, but its all good fun

Sorry...I've never yet wasted a run at Willowbank. or elsewhere...and not about to start now :)....but I'll play ..:idea:.hands up all you *heaps of* guys with 11 second cam only cars who prefer to run street tyres a full second off pace :confused:….


just those who actually posses the coveted 11 second slip will suffice…. we don't want to clog up the web ;)


edit......I'll return later.....the fields at Cloundra are running.....

[Oztrack Tuning]

Why refer to me as Ozfart? Seedy. Forgot your manners for your fellow man.

[Uncle Tone]

Why refer to me as Ozfart? Seedy. Forgot your manners for your fellow man.

He's just jealous of your achievements mate :stick: :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

Sorry...I've never yet wasted a run at Willowbank. or elsewhere...and not about to start now :)....but I'll play ..:idea:.hands up all you *heaps of* guys with 11 second cam only cars who prefer to run street tyres a full second off pace :confused:….

Maybe you should come to the private track day in sydney and you can meet some :cheers: Theres always +115mph second cars running in the 12's

The best i remeber was PlanB's ~125mph pass's on his 20's (in the old ute), hey thats gotta be a 10 second car in the mid 12's ;)

[Oztrack Tuning]

I dont enjoy racing on street tyres - never again. Its far more fun actually hooking up 99% of the time at WOT. Doing fast 60 footers is far more addictive than being faster at the end. Once someone has done a 1.5- 60 footer you wish you could show people what it was like but its something you cant do on street rubber or even on drag rubber on the street.

Launching quick isnt just tyres and suspension. Its also component choice eg cam , stall, diff and also the tune - not something you see on a dyno either.

[Martin_D]

Doesnt anyone get bored with drag racing...
Heres the driving smarts involved :lol:

----------------------------------------------------
10 * Drag Racing Simulator

If runs are < 800 then
. begin
. Racing
. end

Function Racing
If Wednesday Night then
. begin
. goto racetrack
. WarmTyres
. Race
. ReturnRoad
end

. Hotdogger
. Randomnumber
end

20 function (WarmTyres)
. Put in 2
. Press throttle and brake
. Wait for smoke
. end function

30 function (Race)
. put in 3
. stage
. wait for green
. push foot flate
. wait for line
. depress brake pedal
. end function

40 function (ReturnRoad)
. take turn
. drive back to pits
. end function

50 function (Hotdogger)
. post slip on net
. end function

60 function (Randomnumber)
. give oztrack timeslip
. be told you car is 1 sec and 10mph faster than it runs
. end function
-----------------------------------------------

What am I saying.....I love it :)
Get a sense of humour guys and leave each other alone FFS! :cool:

[Trek52]

This thread is interesting, I suppose it is really about what you want from your car.

I have been lucky, I came across CHE after an ex sponsor tried to tune my car on the road. Could have done major damage, but the CHE boys cleaned up the tune and over the last 12 months have continually done little bits and pieces to my car to make it how I like it.

My car has a baby cam, 3200 stall, std 3.07 gears and a CHE tune, the car ran 12.5 on old mt streets on my first night at the track. I loved the track, best fun i have had in years. I would love to run an 11 and if I go to 3.9's, an exhaust that is suited (rather than one that is suited to non cam cars) a throttle body and some practise I hope to do it !!

But at the end of the day I drive my car everyday, take clients out in it and let my wife loose in it and I am so happy with the car it is not funny. IT comes down to trusting the shop you use. I trust Dale and Dave with my car so what if by going to shop xyz I can run faster, have they built up my trust...no.

My advicie to anyone before any mods would be to talk to people in here, go for a ride in a few cars, decide what you want and talk to different shops. Dont end up with the same mistakes that many of us have made in the past

[Vulture]

What happened to your TT setup Simon ?

cheers

Now that is a long story. It just didn't turn out the way I had hoped for a whole host of reasons, some of which were to do with poor choice of previous mods, for example.

[SS346]

JB, im sure you are old enough to realise that lying wont get you anywhere.......

you cant seriously sit there and say this is not a mud slinging match??? wake up.

Tim has stated the facts, no need for me to repeat them.

as for your statement about the 4 being near the 7 and making a typo, thats is a cracker!!! lol! you are far from having "fat finger syndrome", lol!!!

the fact is that you spent another 3k made a bucket load more power, but ran the same time??? that one has really got me. (couldnt help myself)

as for runs on the board, that means runs on the board, not how many customer you can convince to get on the net and post up some good words.



As far as runs on the board hmmmmmmmmm i will refresh your memory

Hardcore LS1 Turbo 10.2 @142 MPH fastest single turbo ls1 in the country ! i might add

AGRO Turbo SS 10.8 @ 128 MPH

AGRO #2 naturally aspirated 11.2 @ 120MPH

QNLOOK Turbo MONARO 11.5 @ 125MPH

XX269 Naturally aspirated 11.5 @ 120MPH

Our stock internal full weight calais with exhaust coverter & diff gears ran 12.1 @ 110

Clubsport R8 naturally aspirated 11.9 @ 118MPH

Now what runs on the board does your new tuner have ??????

Nuff said ! results speak for themselfs !


Hey Tim, you are being modest again, you should post up the NON FORUM MEMBERS results, because some people seem to think that the net is the be all/end all:confused: but hey i guess you would be hear all night typing results eh? lol!!!

Ok get ready, Girch will get a ban for this, Advertising of non sponsor in forum, just like the last time i got banned for my leading edge tuning signature, seems as though i was a threat so a sponsor dobbed me in lol!!! that same sponsor pulled another stunt on another sponsor, but it backfired and slapped him in the face.....................

[Justice R8]

Just like the name "Sams Performance Engines" lets you know he'll build you a ballsy, wheels-up monster, but if your wondering where the squeak is coming from in your 82 KB laser, there's probably more appropriate workshops to visit .

Seedy

Leave Sams out of the childish stuff. Sam does all ends of the spectrum from wheels up 8 sec N/A engines to carbies on KB lasers. Anyone that can charge $500 to rebuild a rochester must know what they are doing. He can tune any program including LS1, motec, microtech, emtech etc, etc etc including one of the more difficult ones being Kalmaker which many have but dont/ cant use, not many do. Many get the VCM suite for LS1 and call themselves a tuner. Ask how many other types of programs they tune?

Whats my point? There is a window tint shop in QLD that are now ls1 tuners going by the VCM website and I have also heard of a Plumber or brickie in Melb that now does mobile tunes. As far as your squeak goes he does them, maybe doesnt enjoy it as much as building a blown Group A. He can even forewarn you when it is likely YOUR ls1 will catch fire 2 months before the event.

Leave Sam out of it. The Sonny Vs leading edge shit has been going on ever since Sonny stopped getting them to do his tunes. It will go on longer than any body cares to admit due to bad blood between them all. Lets leave it to these 2 to sort out there issues and keep moving on.

BTW
Any workshop that says they never have a farkup is a liar. Even the best parts can fail. There are plenty that happen, but because they dont get posted, nobody hears about them until the phone starts running hot.

Everybody does things to their cars differently. Drag boys love being able to hold the slip, Dyno boys the graphs and daily drivers love the way their car drives and handles. Each to there own.

Cosmo. Its great to see your happy with the car. That is the main thing.

[seedyrom]

Fair enough - I was more trying to make a point about "What's in a name" ... and the banner for Sam's was up the top which caught my eye.

The workshop is called "Sam's Performance Engines" - makes no mistake about what you are getting.

As does (reading the current banners at the top of the screen now) "WA Performance & service centre" aludes to the fact that it does 'performance mods' and 'servicing'.

Which leads back to my original statement, in its context, which was that I was questioning whether "PowerTorque Engines" are just an Engine shop or do they do more?
Which both Voodoo and Mark answered that they do what their name implies.
Engines.

I wasn't dragging Sam into this shit fight ... just needing an example of a workshop who's name implies what they do.
Sorry about that

[Justice R8]

Fair enough - I was more trying to make a point about "What's in a name" ... and the banner for Sam's was up the top which caught my eye.

The workshop is called "Sam's Performance Engines" - makes no mistake about what you are getting.

As does (reading the current banners at the top of the screen now) "WA Performance & service centre" aludes to the fact that it does 'performance mods' and 'servicing'.

Which leads back to my original statement, in its context, which was that I was questioning whether "PowerTorque Engines" are just an Engine shop or do they do more?
Which both Voodoo and Mark answered that they do what their name implies.
Engines.

I wasn't dragging Sam into this shit fight ... just needing an example of a workshop who's name implies what they do.
Sorry about that

Just keeping you on your toes:):)

[dadem0n]

Which leads back to my original statement, in its context, which was that I was questioning whether "PowerTorque Engines" are just an Engine shop or do they do more?
Which both Voodoo and Mark answered that they do what their name implies.
Engines.


Not true :rolleyes:

Yes, they do chassis and dyno work. They also do log book servicing on cars. general maintenance work, tuning with VCM suite, motec etc, basically anything any other perfoamnce workshop will do.

They don't however spend time at the track setting up cars. Thats up to you to do yourself. But if you go in and want a new set of rear shocks/diff/brakes/converter/cam/bushes/springs/clutch etc for the drags or street, they'll source them and fit them for you.

Why read too much into a name? "Enhancement Division" sounds like a dodgy bodykit manufacturer :stick:........ :lol:

Keep this a NSW fight and leave QLDers out of it please :eyes:



The Sonny Vs leading edge shit has been going on ever since Sonny stopped getting them to do his tunes.


So how many sonny supporters that are attacking Leading Edge actually have Leading Edge tunes in their cars :lmao:

[seedyrom]

Keep this a NSW fight and leave QLDers out of it please :eyes:

bah ... you guys just wait till you have a little tuner competition up there :p

then the fun starts :D


Anyway - its state of origin week :eyes: game on!

[DaveHAT]

as for runs on the board, that means runs on the board, not how many customer you can convince to get on the net and post up some good words.


Girch, I've never met you and don't take too much offence but the above statement if pretty friggen ignorant.

You imply that said customers need "convincing to post up good words"? I presume it is impossible for these customers to think freely for themselves and post their comments of their own volition? Why the hell shouldn't people post good words about positive experiences?

I personally don't need ANY convincing by anyone to post anything and if it's wrong to publically thank a certain workshop/tuner etc etc for the work that is done in an exacting fashion then TS I'm afraid.

As for this definition of "runs on the board" ...it's vastly becoming much like the definition of "bolt on" isn't it? A term used to suit a need at the time ... :yup:

Enough so to PMSL :lmao:

[nirvana]

wow another one of these threads turning into a shit fight, what a suprise. :sleep:
as for my car i will one day take it to the track just have not been able to.
for me i built it for the street of which im very happy with the performance of it.
when i finaly get my arse into gear and take it down im pretty confident it will do a respectable time. will it be the fastest NO, will it leave peoples jaw on the ground NO.
In saying that i didn't build it to impress people and come on this site with a 10sec slip and act like a hero.
I BUILT IT FOR ME AND ME ALONE and i am more than happy with the result.
i think you will find a lot of sonny's customers with the same attitude.
i didn't want to come into this thread but im SOOOOOOOOOO over this shit that pops up every so often.

cheers,
dennis

[cosmo vyss]

JB, im sure you are old enough to realise that lying wont get you anywhere.......

you cant seriously sit there and say this is not a mud slinging match??? wake up.

Tim has stated the facts, no need for me to repeat them.

as for your statement about the 4 being near the 7 and making a typo, thats is a cracker!!! lol! you are far from having "fat finger syndrome", lol!!!

the fact is that you spent another 3k made a bucket load more power, but ran the same time??? that one has really got me. (couldnt help myself)

as for runs on the board, that means runs on the board, not how many customer you can convince to get on the net and post up some good words.




Hey Tim, you are being modest again, you should post up the NON FORUM MEMBERS results, because some people seem to think that the net is the be all/end all:confused: but hey i guess you would be hear all night typing results eh? lol!!!

Ok get ready, Girch will get a ban for this, Advertising of non sponsor in forum, just like the last time i got banned for my leading edge tuning signature, seems as though i was a threat so a sponsor dobbed me in lol!!! that same sponsor pulled another stunt on another sponsor, but it backfired and slapped him in the face.....................


As stated previously it was a typo. Hey if calling me a liar make you fel better then go for it. The facts and only facts have been posted by me. The car run a faster time with the same mods only a different tune. The mods were done afterwards. I only get to the track a few times a year and now its only ever at private days. This is more for the fun of having a run down the strip and socialising with others. If you think that workshops beg there customers to go on the net and rave on about them, you are sadly mistaken and even more foolish if you beleive that.

As for runs on the board. If you think that waving a few times slips in the air is runs on the board then you mistaken again. A happy customer who wants who comes back for more work because they got what they wanted is more important.

Now lets stop wasting everyone elses time hear and let other ppl post about there modding experiences, and funny stories along the way. I am sure Keen would have a couple after hearing his car buying storys.

JB

[bermudablue]

I BUILT IT FOR ME AND ME ALONE and i am more than happy with the result.


Exactly what im doing .But god help me if i mention the wrong "next mod"
"brand" ....."workshop"
I see this shit on FISHNET everyday of the week "Trout v Native fish"

[cosmo vyss]

Seedy

Leave Sams out of the childish stuff. Sam does all ends of the spectrum from wheels up 8 sec N/A engines to carbies on KB lasers. Anyone that can charge $500 to rebuild a rochester must know what they are doing. He can tune any program including LS1, motec, microtech, emtech etc, etc etc including one of the more difficult ones being Kalmaker which many have but dont/ cant use, not many do. Many get the VCM suite for LS1 and call themselves a tuner. Ask how many other types of programs they tune?

Whats my point? There is a window tint shop in QLD that are now ls1 tuners going by the VCM website and I have also heard of a Plumber or brickie in Melb that now does mobile tunes. As far as your squeak goes he does them, maybe doesnt enjoy it as much as building a blown Group A. He can even forewarn you when it is likely YOUR ls1 will catch fire 2 months before the event.

Leave Sam out of it. The Sonny Vs leading edge shit has been going on ever since Sonny stopped getting them to do his tunes. It will go on longer than any body cares to admit due to bad blood between them all. Lets leave it to these 2 to sort out there issues and keep moving on.

BTW
Any workshop that says they never have a farkup is a liar. Even the best parts can fail. There are plenty that happen, but because they dont get posted, nobody hears about them until the phone starts running hot.

Everybody does things to their cars differently. Drag boys love being able to hold the slip, Dyno boys the graphs and daily drivers love the way their car drives and handles. Each to there own.

Cosmo. Its great to see your happy with the car. That is the main thing.

The bottom four lines, say it all. Great post. PPL being happy with there cars is the most important thing.
JB

[EXCESSV]

wow another one of these threads turning into a shit fight, what a suprise. :sleep:
as for my car i will one day take it to the track just have not been able to.
for me i built it for the street of which im very happy with the performance of it.
when i finaly get my arse into gear and take it down im pretty confident it will do a respectable time. will it be the fastest NO, will it leave peoples jaw on the ground NO.
In saying that i didn't build it to impress people and come on this site with a 10sec slip and act like a hero.
I BUILT IT FOR ME AND ME ALONE and i am more than happy with the result.
i think you will find a lot of sonny's customers with the same attitude.
i didn't want to come into this thread but im SOOOOOOOOOO over this shit that pops up every so often.

cheers,
dennis
:thumbsup::yup::bravo:
well said totally agree mate



BTW
Any workshop that says they never have a farkup is a liar. Even the best parts can fail. There are plenty that happen, but because they dont get posted, nobody hears about them until the phone starts running hot.

Everybody does things to their cars differently. Drag boys love being able to hold the slip, Dyno boys the graphs and daily drivers love the way their car drives and handles. Each to there own.

Cosmo. Its great to see your happy with the car. That is the main thing.
well put...thread can be closed now...too much of a sh1t fight
do what you want to your car with whoever you want whether or not they are a forum sponsor or not.
YOUR CAR YOUR DECISION

[Clubsport R8]

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=39320

A typo ????????? WTF ???????? this is fact ! in your own words ! seriously get a kleenex & wipe the shit off your mouth !

[BLU50L]

:thumbsup::yup::bravo:
well said totally agree mate


well put...thread can be closed now...too much of a sh1t fight
do what you want to your car with whoever you want whether or not they are a forum sponsor or not.
YOUR CAR YOUR DECISION


I totally agree with that statement. It s your car your money your decesion. Sometimes around here if you dont say the right things, or get work done by the "right" people your an outcast or dumbass.
I know you all wil say if you dont like it **** off but sometimes this places just gets old with same old arguments.
Everyone attacking each other. Too much bloody politics i say.
Ill repeat it again. YOUR CAR, YOUR MONEY , GO WHERE YOU WANT.

[cosmo vyss]

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=39320

A typo ????????? WTF ???????? this is fact ! in your own words ! seriously get a kleenex & wipe the shit off your mouth !


Good to see your manners have improved.. It was addressed in an earlier post. If a typo is what you want to hang onto then by all means do so.

[vt350phantom]

will it leave peoples jaw on the ground NO.


It left my jaw on the ground when you took me round the block in it!!! :):)

[markone2]

To continually beat your drum in this thread is laughible, as you're the most experienced drag racer here, and that's the point of this thread. The average mug in his modded car, not someone with 1000+ runs under his belt, and a car built for drag racing.

Is it ?.you 100% sure about that
Never being one to decline offering the best advise I can to those good folk aspiring to run a quick quarter mile while maintaining a comfortable driver, I personally have no qualms whatsoever over whose shop or tuner they originate from…. A quick check of my pm box here and further afield….. does however reveal one reoccurring theme…..and I quote directly
* I'm running 3.xx diff /2xx rwkw and want to get into high 11's bracket I pm'd you as i dont want to upset anyone.*

Naturally the correspondence on offer ( at request ) has covered the full spectrum of cam sizes / lift ,high stalls suspension and a whole sight more

Now pm’s are just that. ( private ) and the authors sig shall remain so….but if those self same authors posting in this thread want to wave ther collective pinkies in the air …..…..well that’s up to them….but imho the original correspondence I’ve entered into on running numbers does NOT read what I’m seeing here …..odd that….:

[seedyrom]

???
well that was clear ... as clear as Adelaide tap water :D


edit: making a little more sense on my 80th re-read. The sudafeds for my flu are kicking in

[nirvana]

It left my jaw on the ground when you took me round the block in it!!! :):)

thanks mate. :D

[vt350phantom]

thanks mate. :D

I've wanted a turbo ever since!! :bow::bow:

[SS346]

OWNED!! lol!!!




http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=39320

A typo ????????? WTF ???????? this is fact ! in your own words ! seriously get a kleenex & wipe the shit off your mouth !

[RedVYIISS]

I've wanted a turbo ever since!! :bow::bow:

Nah, highly overrated. If someone offered me a new V8 M3 as a swap for my turbo VYII I'd probably take it.


:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[cosmo vyss]

Nah, highly overrated. If someone offered me a new V8 M3 as a swap for my turbo VYII I'd probably take it.


:lmao::lmao::lmao:



MMMMMMMMM :bow:M3 mmmmmmmm I would take it as well.

jb

[Thunder]

I was going to leave this alone, but . . . . . heres my 2c worth.

When you came to us, your car was going to be a "Daily Driver" and you already had an exhaust system fitted that droned it's head off and you were complaining about it within 2 days of being fitted. We fitted a rear resonator to it to quieten it down, and then later made a new exhaust system for you which lasted you 20,000km and was "Drone Free" and made more power.

We would not have recommended tri-y's on a VY2, especially if you were interested in 1/4 mile times. On your other thread you were asking everyone whether extractors were worth the expense, and how much beer you could buy with that money. If you were less conscious of the "Beer Factor" at the time and told us about your 1/4 mile aspirations, you would have had the right extractors from the start.

We sold you what you wanted, not what we would have recomended.

Cats do not die by themselves and there is no warranty for melted cats. Cars that run too lean, especially when "Cat Protection" is switched off, will fail and are not covered by warranty. One ceramic reaches its melting point, it will melt - fact of life.

The clips Holden use to hold the exhaust rubbers on are made from spring steel and sometimes they develop hairline cracks and break. Then the rubber falls off. Holden fixed this design with the VE - no more clips.

Forum Sponsors, and users, put a lot of time, money and effort into developing packages that make power, and work. Sometimes there is a lot of trial and error along the way.

You are not the first person to be on their 4th exhaust system, 3rd cam, turbo's or superchargers, etc and you will not be the last. As expectations and aspirations change, so do does the products needed to achieve the goal.

Everyone has a different idea on "Their" perfect combo, so no 2 people are the same. That's why we have around 15 different combinations of exhaust systems and loudnesses. That is why there are over 20 different sets of extractors available, there are also many cam packages, many turbo and supercharger kits. There is something to suit everyones price range and expectations.

Just because you could not pick the right package from the start does not give you the right to bag everyone on here that have helped the majority of forum members get their cars to where they are now.

Cheers
Greg

[cosmo vyss]

OWNED!! lol!!!

:rofl:That cracks me up. Glad to see you could come up with some postive and well thought out input.
Ok then lets take for argument sake the mph out of the equasion as obviously you think different to me and don't agree that it was a typo. That seems the only thing you are holding onto.
For those that really think the track is the b all to end all, The car ran 13.4 on its best day out on Leading Edges tune. Then a change of tuner only, no extra modifications ran 13.1 on the new tuners tune as previousy stated.

Just facts:

1. I did write previously that I was dissapointed. Ie not happy.(That was in a thread you have quoted me on) Not once did you make any real attemp to rectfiy that.
Where my car gets worked on and seviced now, I get a call/pm a few days after and asked whether I am happy with everything. Now thats service.

2. It took you guys three times to tune the car and I still wasn't happy. I lost confidence in your ability to tune my car and make me a happy customer, hence a new tuner has been used.

The new tuner took one go and got it right and the car made more power.
It drives better and now has better fuel economy.

As i have already said b4. This wasn't about having a direct crack at anyone. If i was angry and wanted to winge, it would have been then. I didn't know any better at the time when i wrote i was happy with Leading Edge. I did learn soon after how the car much better the car could be when the new tune was done.
I think you guys need to grow a thicker skin, I did not swear or cuss in my thread or say anything derogatory directly at you. Accept critism and move on.

Regards
JB

[Thunder]

PS
The first cat that we replaced for free, came from our own pockets as none of the manufacturers do not cover melted cats. This is a tuning problem, not the fault of the cat.

[cosmo vyss]

I was going to leave this alone, but . . . . . heres my 2c worth.

When you came to us, your car was going to be a "Daily Driver" and you already had an exhaust system fitted that droned it's head off and you were complaining about it within 2 days of being fitted. We fitted a rear resonator to it to quieten it down, and then later made a new exhaust system for you which lasted you 20,000km and was "Drone Free" and made more power.

Yes the original did drone and hence I had it changed.


We would not have recommended tri-y's on a VY2, especially if you were interested in 1/4 mile times. On your other thread you were asking everyone whether extractors were worth the expense, and how much beer you could buy with that money. If you were less conscious of the "Beer Factor" at the time and told us about your 1/4 mile aspirations, you would have had the right extractors from the start.

You did actually recommend to me 4 into 1 at the time. I did specifically asked for the tri-y's as the car never going to be a track car and still isn't. I am lucky to go to the track now 2 a year. I made the decision on the tri-ys as I thought they would be more benificial midrange. Hey beer is not overated and I think off memory I used the term beer coupons.. :cheers:

We sold you what you wanted, not what we would have recomended.
Yes that is correct.
Cats do not die by themselves and there is no warranty for melted cats. Cars that run too lean, especially when "Cat Protection" is switched off, will fail and are not covered by warranty. One ceramic reaches its melting point, it will melt - fact of life.

Maybe that is why the cats died. I don't know and doubt I ever will. I do know that going threw 3 cats fairly quick time is not normal. I just think the quality of cat may have contributed.
The new di fillipo ones I now have on have done about 10k and no worries yet.
The clips Holden use to hold the exhaust rubbers on are made from spring steel and sometimes they develop hairline cracks and break. Then the rubber falls off. Holden fixed this design with the VE - no more clips.

Hey stuff happens and sometimes it just nobody's fault. It is just a pain in the rear when I am in Menai and you are at Ingleburn. They exhaust after that just never seemed to line up the way I wanted it to.

Forum Sponsors, and users, put a lot of time, money and effort into developing packages that make power, and work. Sometimes there is a lot of trial and error along the way.

Yes they certainly do and the end users, ppl like you and me get the benifits of it. They don't do it for love though. It s a business and they do it to be up to date with the latest products and comming up with new inovations to jkeep the customers rolling in.
You are not the first person to be on their 4th exhaust system, 3rd cam, turbo's or superchargers, etc and you will not be the last. As expectations and aspirations change, so do does the products needed to achieve the goal.

I bet I won't be he last to change combo's. The main reason why I changed was because I was sick of driving to Ingleburn and having the same thing happen again. Also the fact I prefer the sound of the di fillipo system over what i had fitted. It also made more power. Obviousy due to the 4-1 setup.

Everyone has a different idea on "Their" perfect combo, so no 2 people are the same. That's why we have around 15 different combinations of exhaust systems and loudnesses. That is why there are over 20 different sets of extractors available, there are also many cam packages, many turbo and supercharger kits. There is something to suit everyones price range and expectations.

Definatley agree. The hard part is matching the right person to the right combo one would think.

Just because you could not pick the right package from the start does not give you the right to bag everyone on here that have helped the majority of forum members get their cars to where they are now.




Thank you for your reply Greg. It is appreciated. I may not have picked the right zorst combo straight up as you put it. I didn't directly bag you as a sponsor. I was just dissapointed at the fact my car spat three cats and the way it was welded in the last time, which was the opposite to way it was welded originally, and when I asked if it could be done the same as the other one, one of your workers said anything can be done at a cost.
Things happen along the way in the modification process that are sometimes no ones fault. But it happens and frustrates the best of us.

Regards
JB


PS
The first cat that we replaced for free, came from our own pockets as none of the manufacturers do not cover melted cats. This is a tuning problem, not the fault of the cat.

I did state that you replaced the first cat for free in my very first post. :)

JB

[Oztrack Tuning]

Just 5c into the waterfall
- SOME cats have been known to not have melted ceramic, it was just held on inside the cat badly and they get loose. One tap on a speed hump and the cats failed. This is a factor in some cat failures and arguably could be covered by warranty as its a likely design fault.

[markone2]

???
well that was clear ... as clear as Adelaide tap water :D





:doh: My apologizes … really must stop being so cryptic ….. :idea: ...just join the dots….they all lead back too ye ole convict town

[Thunder]

Cosmo, the way this thread is worded it looks like everyone that has worked on your car in the past has been commented on in a bad way, and then when you decided what you wanted from your combo, the last person that worked on it was great.

On another thread you commented on how good your first exhaust was, and then within 2 days you were sick of it and it was changed after 2 weeks.

It is a lot further to Blacktown than it is to Ingleburn, we are probably only a 20 minute drive. We have customers travelling from Interstate, that would love to be as close as you.

Over the past 2 - 3 years that you are talking about, a lot of things have changed. What was good 3 years ago is outdated now. Hindsight is a magical thing to have. Think of how much money you would have saved by now.

Cats do not melt down by themselves, and as I said to you at the time, there must be something wrong with the tune. If it was pinging, it was definitely too lean, so there is merit in what you are saying. But when you came to see me you insisted the tune was fine and everything was double checked. We replaced the first one for free (goodwill) knowing we would not be re-imbursed by the manufacturer. Each time you came for a replacement you told me there was nothing wrong with the tune.

Each time we have to chop a cat out and replace it, you lose a certain amount of tube, so they become harder to fit. We had to replace the cat 3 times. If the tune was right, we would not have had to replace it in the first place.

Now your tune is fixed, of course the cats will last, and if you upgraded to stainless substrate cats the new ones will last even longer, you will make more power, and the exhaust would sound even better.

Cosmo, I think everyone gets your message, whether it is deserved or not.
This thread could have been written in a way that did not offend a lot of people, or get you offside with them.

I am being chastised for some of Holden's clips breaking and the rubber falling off, cats that were melted because of someone elses tune, and having the hide to charge you $100 for a before and after dyno.

There was no mention of how good the exhaust was even after 20,000km, how drone free it was, the extra power you picked up from it, etc etc. You also compare a mild steel system and mild steel tri-y's (all you could afford back then) with a set of ceramic coated 4>1 and a stainless system. Of course the long 4>1 are going to give you a better figure, especially when tuned properly.

Please compare eggs to eggs, especially when the original combo was your choice, not what I recommended for your car.

The sponsors on this Forum are here to help people, and 99% of users are happy with the help that is given, whether advice, or work done. You say the thread wasn't done for Mud Slinging, but the way it is worded, that is all I can see.

I am glad you are happy with your new combo, but we could have done it that way from the start which would have saved you a lot of money, and threads like this.


oztrack

The aftermarket cats are prone to the biscuit coming loose on the Gen 3's because of the volume of gas and the restriction caused by the small holes in the biscuit (and speed hump damage). Yes this is covered by warranty (not speed hump damage), but after replacing them 3 or 4 times it becomes annoying to us as well as the customer.

Some manufacturers changed to a single brick cat instead of a twin brick, but they still fail. All Gen 3's should have either the OE ceramic cat, or stainless substrate cats. The problem is, when the customer does not want to follow our recommendations and pay the extra, we have a problem of continually replacing cats. Who gets the bad reputation from this? (in this case it is melted cats from the tune)


Cheers
Greg