427 coupe rumours again

[spank]

i spoke to mate today that works for holden, he says that there are some very credible rumours getting around that there is about to be launched 50 limited build 427 coupes, and the reason for the late release of these cars is that there is still a few GTO'S sitting in dealers yards, not sure on any other details, anyone else heard these rumours flying around?

[TommyVTss]

sounds bloody nice but why would they hold cars back that are worth millions of dollars for a few gto's laying about..... i would think the gto's will still sell...

[mustanger]

Haven`t heard anything of the sort. :confused:

Hey Spank, 50 does not seem enough for a limited build.

[planetdavo]

I can't see any possibility of any truth in this.
Firstly, no cars have been made for almost a year.
Secondly, it's been well stated that this chassis was developed for a 300kw "factory" maximum.
Thirdly, conversion of any remaining cars would be strictly an "aftermarket" proposition, meaning limited desirability, even if done through WP, besides the hideous expense.
I believe the rumour that you have heard is for the LS7 powered VE HSV.

[spank]

all good points, rumour was definately a coupe and not far away, we all know that there are people out there with more than 300kw, i suppose time will tell, i too will believe it when i see it ! just wanted to know if anyone else had heard the same story, my mate is not known for spreading gossip, maybe he is misinformed

[geary]

Well the VXR500 is a semi-factory rig about 300 kilowatts? Isn't it?

[brentonsav]

Well the VXR500 is a semi-factory rig about 300 kilowatts? Isn't it?

500bhp = ~370kw
and we all know the chassis will take a 427 na quite well

i hope its true. i reckon it will take a single day to sell every single one if it is the case? you'll get one, wont ya spank?

[mustanger]

I would have been ideal to end the Coupe with 500hp.:bawl:

[OLDYELLA65]

Is there any truth too the rumor that G R Motorsport has UNOFFICIALLY produced around 10 ... now thats a limited number...including 1 very mean Silver coupe!!!

[goofafidamedes]

Anything HSV do wouldn't be a shock really. Short of building a new SUV.

Who knows? Maybe some sort of skunkworks re-fit of some brand new VZ GTO's with uprated everything and selling them as modified cars through some sort of shell company or something. Priced to suit - $250k per car. That way the VZ GTO base is paid for and the money goes to Holden/HSV and the labour and parts on the improvements is paid for as well. It's quite conceivable that the situation would duplicate the R34 GT-R Z Tune - a run of 20 cars, based on 2nd hand "lesser" GT-R's - however with strict conditions on the state of those 20 cars and meeting certain QA criteria.

If Nissan/Nismo can do it, why can't Holden/HSV? Hell, if the thing looks like it would only just break-even, factor in the sheer marketing value of having such a car come off the line.

There has been a rumour of a pile of new HSV GTO's sitting in storage somewhere, just so as to not flood the market. A bunch of new, fresh bodied cars sitting doing nothing.

Why not create a super-desirable special run from those cars? If they are just going to sit there, why not get some ROI? We are not talking the usual "Special" or "Signature" or "Limited" editions that we get from HSV. (Look how the CV8Z ended up... but lets not go there eh?)

We're talking about something raw, a little uncouth, with trick gear that not every dude on $100k p/a with an sympathetic (or spineless :hide:) lease manager can get their hands on.

We saw with the deposit situation on the stillborn HRT 427 that people will stump up the cash.

Hell, Lindsay fox might buy 20 and start his own private series at the Island.

At the end of the day - is HSV solely run by the numbers now? Or will they put something out there which just goes to show how far HSV can run when given a little rope? You have all the technology at your disposal - MRC, Ohlins, AP Brakes, Tyre Pressure Monitoring, Hydratrak, DDI - put something together that uses as much of it as possible. And sell it for a metric f&!kton of money. But put your best out there - show the world just what you can do.

Build the very pinnacle of Australian performance cars - the market is there. You make it good enough - you might be surprised with just how many cashed up individuals throughout want one. And then you might have the world, not just Australia, saying "I just want one."

Thankyou and goodnight...

[planetdavo]

500bhp = ~370kw
and we all know the chassis will take a 427 na quite well

Yes plenty of people with high powered versions, but how long will many of them hang together..? :hide:
The problem with it is meeting "factory" engineering requirements, where the existing setup has a limit of 300kW before it exceeds the requirements of GM's durability testing.
The 2003 427 Concept had some pretty exotic suspension going on remember.....
If EVER this happens, I can only see a WP conversion, as it can't meet GM durability testing with the existing suspension, plus the compliance plate on the existing cars will be wrong, plus emissions testing of a new engine would be hideous for such a small number of now "discontinued" models, where people expect a fair discount for an "old" model, no matter what is under the bonnet!
Sorry, but there's a bit too much April 1st in this for it to be a proper "factory" model.

[Greg 106]

I know this all just speculation, but I would find it difficult not to move mountains to get one!!!!!!!!!!

It would be something to behold, something truly collectible, and something to show what HSV can really produce (as previously stated)

[VooDoo]

IM suprise nobody else did it. Buy a GTO, throw in the 427 and some god gear and sell it on the open market as a "new" car.

It doesnt have to be HSV direct.

I got sick of waiting so im making my own :)

[blackbettyhsv]

spank a dude I know here had a 427 ordered last time they were to be built, when they canned them he was flown to sydney for accomadation plus full weekend pass at bathurst all expenses paid & deposit returned. he was pissed off as you can imagine. I hope to catch up with him and find out if he has heard anything, he will definetly order again, but first he has a 30 grand rebuild after blowing his motor in his vt gts at last weekends races. hope to let you know soon

[Greg 106]

Anyone have an opinion on what HSV could reasonably charge for such a car? Same as the HRT 427 or less?

[HSV Listy]

Just buy a fully decked out new 69k GTO and put the 427 engine in it for an extra 27k. That is the price for the conversion in Perth I believe. 96k not too bad for what you have got and all brand new. I would if I was after another car and would fit in the Coupe

[Greg 106]

That is an option, however it wouldn't be as collectible as a limited run of 50 stripped out 427 coupes. it would just be a hot GTO.

[HSV Listy]

Collectable maybe but will it pay off if it does happen. A example is the VT11 GTS with the brand spanking big power 300kw engine they made only 100 and you can get them quite easily for a reasonable price these days so would it work out or not for the person buying them. 427 are not a C4B but in three or fours years a version of the 427 may be in the standard HSV's.

[Greg 106]

That is also true that we may see HSVs down the track with the LS7, however, I believe the points of difference that would make these rumoured 50 coupes collectible is the monaro body and also working on the assumption that they would lighten the car and make it more track focused.

[Vulture]

Can't see it happening. Isn't the new Camaro thingamy coming in 2008-2009?

[Greg 106]

supposedly, mind you i'd personally rather a 7.0L in the current monaro shape

[Pickles]

G'day Wayne, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT!!!---but in my opinion, the chances of anyone seeing such a beast are zero. HSV had the chance, & they wimped out--it would've been a real "hero car". If they couldn't do it then, there's absolutely no way it can happen now, & I certainly don't believe there are any "surplus" Coupes about.
But hey, don't get me wrong--I'd love to see it!!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Souljah]

I know theres atleast 6 brand new coupes sitting on the lot at my local Holden dearler. And they are only the ones i can see from the road!

I'd rather buy a new coupe, rebuild the motor, add two snails and chomp a 427 :p

[spank]

yeah im thinking of supercharging, heads and cam in my GTO, then kazz, rip shifter and a tex, it will finish it off nicely i think

[vyssbeast]

spank, that combo would be $15K plus EASY, why not alittle more and make it a 427?? LoL you know you want to. Besides breathing through that exhaust you have on there already, holy sh!t!!

[Toddler78]

My brother inlaw's brother works at holden and told me the 427 has been down the line, didnt say in which shell, I could see it coming but not in the monaro shell (ps this is still heresay)

[Pickles]

yeah im thinking of supercharging, heads and cam in my GTO, then kazz, rip shifter and a tex, it will finish it off nicely i think
Well Wayne, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT! --As long as you take me for a ride!-I'll be able to compare it with sitting in the passenger seat of Mark's supercharged Coupe 4-& that was pretty awesome.
The club was at Walkinshaw Performance last night--where were you??--they have a brand new GTO in the shop, to which they are fitting an LS7-saw the engine too!
Cheers Pickles.

[hsv-105]

Won't be holding me breath on a 427 Coupe - A 427 VE is a good chance.
I had a deposit on the ill fated BB7 coupe but rather than sook about it I thought I build my own.
Ingredients-

1 x New VZ GTO
1 x Morrison 8TB Manifold
1 x C5R Heads
1 x Warhawk block
1 x Hollinger sequential
1 x 9" Harrop IRS Assembly
1 x Set of AP monoblock brakes
1 x AP Floor mounted pedal box
1 x Motec ECU and Dash
1 x Dry sump set up.
etc.etc.etc.


The only ingredient yet to arrive is the Warhawk block.

Now this one will be fun :)

[LS1TOY]

Won't be holding me breath on a 427 Coupe - A 427 VE is a good chance.
I had a deposit on the ill fated BB7 coupe but rather than sook about it I thought I build my own.
Ingredients-

1 x New VZ GTO
1 x Morrison 8TB Manifold
1 x C5R Heads
1 x Warhawk block
1 x Hollinger sequential
1 x 9" Harrop IRS Assembly
1 x Set of AP monoblock brakes
1 x AP Floor mounted pedal box
1 x Motec ECU and Dash
1 x Dry sump set up.
etc.etc.etc.


The only ingredient yet to arrive is the Warhawk block.

Now this one will be fun :)
:drool: get me a towel!!

[spank]

Well Wayne, .
The club was at Walkinshaw Performance last night--where were you??--they have a brand new GTO in the shop, to which they are fitting an LS7-saw the engine too!
Cheers Pickles.

well maybe you just may have seen what has started this latest rumour then martin !

[LSX-438]

Won't be holding me breath on a 427 Coupe - A 427 VE is a good chance.
I had a deposit on the ill fated BB7 coupe but rather than sook about it I thought I build my own.


me too! ingredients somewhat different but we used an LS7 block.

actually we dyno'd it today.

Stocker LS7 is supposed to be 505hp at the crank (albeit perhaps underrated?)

anyway we got 505hp at the back wheels today, and i am sure a little more to come

[Pulse 8]

I too was on the BB7 bandwagon and still have my signed purchase order in the office drawer. I dont think there is any chance of a 7 Litre coupe now, after 2 failed attempts and much embarassment to HSV.
At the end of the day the coupe is old hat now and what would HSV have to gain by slotting it into an 06 model with a superceded chassis?
I absolutely love our 2 coupes and will never replace them with any four door but time has moved on and sorry guys, but it aint going to happen.
Happy Cruizin.

[planetdavo]

Surely most people never believed there was any truth in an official HSV retro conversion. There's just way too much red tape to be factory endorsed.

[goofafidamedes]

Surely most people never believed there was any truth in an official HSV retro conversion. There's just way too much red tape to be factory endorsed.

Realistically, I don't think anyone would be expecting that - especially factory endorsement. However, someone with the technical and financial ability to do so is a remote possibility (or maybe I watch and read too many articles about American or German aftermarket tuning houses :xmas:) Maybe this is where the factory-aligned Walkinshaw Performance comes in.

Maybe a Z28 version of a Camaro is a possibility for late 2009/early 2010 (working on rumoured on-sale timings for the new Camaro) done by HSV but sold as a Chevrolet - to complement the Holden designed but likely American built "regular" Camaro.

Who knows? I think we'd all like to see some sort of "extra-performance" Coupe, but with everything GM at the moment tied to financial reality, the chances are slim.

[planetdavo]

The only alignment between HSV and WP is the owner!
Two totally different companies. One is "factory" with full warranty, and the other isn't, with only their own warranty on their mods.

[goofafidamedes]

The only alignment between HSV and WP is the owner!
Two totally different companies. One is "factory" with full warranty, and the other isn't, with only their own warranty on their mods.

That's right - two separate companies and separate warranty structures. In the hypothetical situation where WP did build a run of specials, I would not assume Holden nor HSV would underwrite any form of warranty on anything leaving WP's factory. I would be assuming that the final price of the cars would factor in WP's warranty obligations, should they decide to offer any.

I was only mentioning the factory alignment because it could offer some peace of mind to some buyers knowing they were buying something from someone with close ties to the manufacturer. (operative word: could - not necessarily everyone would find that any comfort, and I don't mean that in a negative way against Holden/HSV)

Not because of any transference of any warranties - I realise that could never happen.