VE series II

[RichieRedHotSS]

I assume that the VE series II is not too far away as the VE is coming up to 12 months old soon. Does anyone have any idea what the series II updates on the VE might be. I am wondering whether to wait for the series II (if there are significant changes) or pick up a series I now or maybe wait for a good deal on series I after series II is released.
Cheers.

[Ridin-High]

I would wait for the Series II for sure. From what i've gathered from reading these forums alot of the anoying little things are ironed out in the Series II release.

Also their was some rumors of the HSV Models getting the Ls3 Motor 6.2L
If you can wait for the series II as you said it will drop the value more on the 1st Gen models.:eyes:

[BlackCalaisVVE]

Well from what i have heard and there are other threads abou this is there are going to be no more series 2 anymore. I think holden are busy with the ute and wagon which still dont have a date yet and if there was ever to be an upgrade to the VE it wouldnt be for at least another year
They have already done some minor upgrades to the VE with things such as dash trim ect. So would say go get a VE now if you want because you will be Waiting for a while if you dont

[Redline]

I dont think there will be series releases anymore from Holden only model changes.
They are basically releasing bug fixes as they go and then when the new face-lift happens they will all get rolled into that (2009 I think). Pretty much like Microsoft and their hotfixes and service packs :lmao:

No LS3 in HSVs until the face-lift (2009). There is an article in the July Motor about it.

Buy one now if you want one.

[EXCESSV]

totally agree with BlackCalaisVVE & Redline
if you want a VE go get it now. next model will be the VF probably and who knows when with the ute and wagon to be released etc.

all this talk with series I being full of bugs etc wait till series II i believe is crap.
every model and make has some problems with the cars.
the early VEs had some problems and there were recalls and also fixes at dealerships as the cars are being serviced but nothing major happening to the cars.

3000km later and 6 weeks later *touch wood* i dont have a problem with mine apart from the Sat Nav playing up.
it did that for the first 4 weeks once a week but hasnt happened since.

[Holden Man]

I don't think there will be a series 2 either.

I think they will just add value (wing, alloys, premium sound system etc) to the current VE when Orion comes out. Like they do with run out models.

["V"]

This has been mentioned a few times on here about a possible series II. I strongly doubt that there will be a series II as this stopped with the VZ range. Next major update will be the VF. Until then... It will just be the VE.

[Fnomna]

Agree there probably won't be a II. Stopped with VZ when the MY2006 became the biggest change. I think MY will become more the differentiator and only be minor.
I think Holden are better off just fixing/upgrading as they go - otherwise people will always wait for a Series II.
Shorter model cycles should help too.

[goofafidamedes]

Agree there probably won't be a II. Stopped with VZ when the MY2006 became the biggest change. I think MY will become more the differentiator and only be minor.
I think Holden are better off just fixing/upgrading as they go - otherwise people will always wait for a Series II.
Shorter model cycles should help too.

I agree with the model year differentiation rather than the Series II moniker. This would possibly help simplify the valuing of cars as rather than have (for example) a 2003 VY Series 2 you'd have a MY2004 VY and so on.

The VZ HSV's changed to this kind of numbering system... the VZ series 2 was simply every VZ Hsv with a build date of '06 onwards. It is possibly a pointer to the future model and series designations Holden and HSV apply to their cars.

[ello]

Theirs great deals out their now, don't worry about waiting for the next model.
If you want something you buy, if you don't want something you dont buy.
Pretty simple phylosophy.

[SLugg]

from 04/07 models on the vin has an 8 in the year spot indicating all previous faults fixed IE all recalls and gen customer complaints

[RichieRedHotSS]

Thanks for the info guys. I was thinking of extending my lease until the series II was out, but as it appears there is no series II in the pipeline, I'l be updating the VZ as soon a the lease is up. Guess I can just go out and find the best deal at the time rather than look for a "superceded" model.
Cheers.

[AussieTone]

Given they are still on top of the monthly sales figures there is no real incentive for them to have to make changes and release a series II. Maybe if sales started to slide the timing for some 'extra goodies' might be right but why change now if they are on a winner.

My opinion only, not based on anything I have heard

[BadMac]

Wasn't there a thread around which mentioned Holden were fully tapped out doing the design and engineering for something like 6 varients?
Wagon, Ute, G8, Camaro, Impala, ???

Therefore other than running bug fixes etc, VE is out and running, VF is in design/engineering.

On VF, I remember from the big thread at launch (which has dissapeared without any trace, even though somebody was going to chop it up and reinstate it as multiple threads) it was talked about the VE was going to have more differences in grill lights etc, but they wanted to make major change whilst still keeping it recongnisable Commodore. Then in VF, they had the new body bedded in and people used to it as commodore, so were able to change the other bits they had wanted to. ie VZ to VF will be a large set of changes with VE the middle ground for 3 years to transition people.

[Goggles]

I would suggest that Holden will do something when the Orion is released.

[COOKIE!]

I would suggest that Holden will do something when the Orion is released.

I must have been asleep? whats the orion???

[Goggles]

I must have been asleep? whats the orion???

the codename for the new Fowlcan due in early 2008.

see here: http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=70782

[BullockBob]

Certainly there is "talk" of an E series update for HSV, ergo there would be one for Holden too. HSV are "looking" at the LS3 and perhaps the LS7 further out (according to media reports).

So, I would say that anything is possible and we will have to play the waiting game a bit longer. I would imagine that more news will be released in the next few months. I can wait that long at least.

BB

[F6Mauz]

I can say that there will be a series 2. No info though.

[Black AH CDX]

I doubt Holden will do a series 2.

Also two Holden have updated the Key for the VE models without the flip key. Instead of having the recessed soft buttons that seem to wear out incredibly quickly the buttons are now raised and made of a much harder wearing plastic. Time for current owners to go and upgrade their keys?

[ben77]

I just picked up an MY08 VE with the different keys and computer (apparently)... It also has an "E10 compatible" sticker on the fuel lid... The dealer was telling me about the computer having a bunch of maps from the states meaning you can run it on corn or something... :) Not sure what else is new...

[Holden Man]

A killer punch would be to introduce the diesel version when Orion comes out. (unless Orion has a diesel option also)

[shane W Z]

A killer punch would be to introduce the diesel version when Orion comes out. (unless Orion has a diesel option also)

Don't know for certain but heard a rumour it could have

[chrism697]

I can say that there will be a series 2. No info though.
haha
really? would you be willing to put money on that?

[Black AH CDX]

I just picked up an MY08 VE with the different keys and computer (apparently)... It also has an "E10 compatible" sticker on the fuel lid... The dealer was telling me about the computer having a bunch of maps from the states meaning you can run it on corn or something... :) Not sure what else is new...

The E10 stick has been on all Holdens for about a year now

[jazzman]

is there any updates regarding the release of a series 2?
wondering, since the last post is 2 monthes ago, and looking to
buy a Calais V in the near future.

Cheers :)

[chrism697]

is there any updates regarding the release of a series 2?
wondering, since the last post is 2 monthes ago, and looking to
buy a Calais V in the near future.

Cheers :)
even though CSV is so certain there will be, there will not be a series 2.

[falcom]

How sure are you about that CHRISM697?

If there isn't going to be a series II then when do you think the VF will come out?

[GEN III]

Something will happen when the Orion Ford comes out.
I think the VE SS and S needs a face lift before the Orion because the front end is just not right, even the HSV R8 & GTS front is a little odd.

Alot of Holden buyers will be very suprised with the new ford, and not just in the looks department.

I must say the Caprice is a sexy looking car though! That design for about $80K+ :bawl:

So hopefully with the VF something changes because with the S and SS it’s a beautiful car with a Lego kit stuck on the front.

Just been reading that car advice site.... and I have to say, what a train wreck. What ignorant Ford people and Holden people need to recognise is, where not the enemies we used to be, we goto go after the Jap made cars. Toyota is public enemy #1 and the sooner the fighting between each other stops, the faster we can apply pressure and focus on Toyota. After there out of the picture then it’s business as usual. I don’t give a shit about leaf or coil suspension or KW figures just make a car that’s good and applies significant market pressure to our Japanese rivals and maybe even the bonus of overseas sales.

[chrism697]

Im pretty confident.....i guess only time will tell

[exploder]

Alot of Holden buyers will be very suprised with the new ford, and not just in the looks department.



I disagree, Orion isn't all new, its using the same chassis/shell as the BF, which itself dates back to the AU. Dynamically it wont be to different to a BF MKII as it its underlying structure and suspension will be similar. The only thing Orion can offer is improved equipment levels and differing front and rear looks. The basic shape will be the same.

[SCiFiRE]

Im with chrism697, there wont be a series II, not an official one anyway.

when VZ came out, Holden said a number of times they were through with mid-model series changes, as they are killing resale. Then they went and made major changes to VZ range through-out the year but never gave it a series II badge.

VZ SV8 is the perfect example. first there was VZ SV8 5.7L, only spoiler + crap wheels, then came VZ SV8 5.7L with Bodykit and wheels, THEN came VZ SV8 6.0L with bodykit and wheels. It'll be the same deal, Mid model changes wont denote a series II badge.

I dunno if any of you noticed, i think it mentions it in the monaro biography or something, there are early design sketchs of VT, but with the VX tear-drop headlights and lower bar. Story goes that was the original design, but it was decided too extreme, so they toned it down to what VT looks like, Then when people got used to the look, VX (one of the best looking commodores in history, in my opinion) came out. Could be a similar thing going on here with VE/VF.


exploder > If you think the only thing different about orion is going to be front/rear looks, then your way underestimating ford.

[GEN III]

I disagree, Orion isn't all new

I didn’t use the word "new" in a sense that it's from the ground up new. I could of used newer to describe it better, but I expect most people would have got my drift!

[GJ227]

I just picked up my new E Series Clubsport 2 weeks ago, and the dealer told me that for the HSV 25th Anniversary coming up they will be running limited edition Clubsports, they will only come with leather interiors and have different wheels, you wont be able to get a normal Cubby at this time, unless one is around.

GJ227

[exploder]

I disagree, Orion isn't all new, its using the same chassis/shell as the BF, which itself dates back to the AU. Dynamically it wont be to different to a BF MKII as it its underlying structure and suspension will be similar. The only thing Orion can offer is improved equipment levels and differing front and rear looks. The basic shape will be the same.




exploder > If you think the only thing different about orion is going to be front/rear looks, then your way underestimating ford.

And if you'd taken in the whole post I didn't say that was all it would be. But lets pull it apart for a minute. The base metal work/chassis will be similar to BF, which locks in the roof line and front and rear windscreens. Engines will be same but power up from BF, whats left? Front and rear metal work, interiors and suspension and whatever electronics they can jam in for the price..


I didn’t use the word "new" in a sense that it's from the ground up new. I could of used newer to describe it better, but I expect most people would have got my drift!

And I didnt suggest you did.

[Vulture]

I just picked up my new E Series Clubsport 2 weeks ago, and the dealer told me that for the HSV 25th Anniversary coming up they will be running limited edition Clubsports, they will only come with leather interiors and have different wheels, you wont be able to get a normal Cubby at this time, unless one is around.

GJ227

That could be tempting. They really need nicer wheels as the Clubsport wheels are :spew:

[bouka]

Anniversary Clubbie will have the same wheels but will be shadow chromed. It will be Sandstorm in color and leather will be standard. It will have some 20th anniv. decals etc.

[csv rulz]

Could someone photoshop torana head lights on to a VE - that would be a bit more extreme than the VE.

[NickS]

Anniversary Clubbie will have the same wheels but will be shadow chromed. It will be Sandstorm in color and leather will be standard. It will have some 20th anniv. decals etc.

That's a shame ... I agree with Vulture, next to the GTS rims the R8 rims really are pretty average. Different rims would really be needed to set it apart from the normal E Series R8.

No offence meant to any R8 owners, you still have an awesome car, I'm just not a fan of those rims.

[Holden Man]

That's a shame ... I agree with Vulture, next to the GTS rims the R8 rims really are pretty average. Different rims would really be needed to set it apart from the normal E Series R8.

No offence meant to any R8 owners, you still have an awesome car, I'm just not a fan of those rims.

I have to agree on the rims. The GTS rims are some of the nicest looking rims they have done. The Clubsport rims in comparison are very tame looking almost like a factory holden design. (says me who couldn't even afford the rims let alone the car!!)

[Vulture]

Shame about the wheels. So what colour is Sandstorm?

[korrupt]

Shame about the wheels. So what colour is Sandstorm?
That sort of light Gold colour, isn't it?

[bouka]

Sandstorm is the gold color.

I think the R8 rims are nice but i recently saw an R8 with GTS rims at the back and R8 at the front (at the factory. The R8 rims hadn't been delivered yet). This highlighted just how nice the GTS rims are and how plain the R8 rims are in comparison.

[dangs]

The exact specs on this 20th anniversary are not exactly clear. R8 & Sandstorm colour are a given, Interior is Onyx/Light urban not clear if this means two tone as with the red hot option or that the stiching colour is light urban, Rims are shadow chrome, fingers crossed they are same as GTS but I doubt it. Number of these being produced is 100 only.

[dadem0n]

Shame its not going to be in Provence like the 15th was in Delft :bawl:

That would actually make me step into a "bling" HSV which is a huge thing for anyone that knows my previous cars :lol:

Vulture, here's sandstorm:
http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/7946178.jpg


And here's provence :drool:
http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/CalaisRider/P1100773.sized.jpg


............ and ONLY if it gets the LS3 :nyuk:

[dangs]

Second one is nice:) Sandstorm seems to be an old man colour (Sorry, no offence to anyone) but I am assured it will look special when released. Fingers crossed.

[Vulture]

Mmm, yeah I am not sure about that colour. Will check it out when they come out. I thought that maybe they could at least put some different 20 inch wheels on it.

[csv rulz]

But he posted sandstorm with standard wheels and a granny plastis strip around the car and the other colour got posted on a car with the 20's on it. Get them both on the exact same car than see which one you prefer.

HSV have sandstorm on the senator and i think it looks awesome

[Caprice270]

Series 2 is coming. The Series 2 badging may not be there, but the MY2008 will have all the changes you'd expect of a series 2 (i.e. not enough to postpone a purchase).


I think the VE SS and S needs a face lift before the Orion because the front end is just not right, even the HSV R8 & GTS front is a little odd.

Alot of Holden buyers will be very suprised with the new ford, and not just in the looks department..

Agreed. The SS front is bland, as many US forum contributors have said, and the HSV...well "odd" is the right word. The rest of the car looks great, but the front doesn't get the juices flowing.


I must say the Caprice is a sexy looking car though! That design for about $80K+ :bawl:.

Agreed! Thats why I stopped buying SS's and bought myself a WM Caprice AND a '07 350Z. The Caprice is all about bling and the Z is all about performance without compromise.

[geary]

Anniversary Clubbie will have the same wheels but will be shadow chromed. It will be Sandstorm in color and leather will be standard. It will have some 20th anniv. decals etc.

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/holden/2007-hsv-20th-anniversary-clubsport/

Like this?

[dadem0n]

HSV have sandstorm on the senator and i think it looks awesome

But that only works with the lower blackouts :teach:

[bouka]

Looks good Geary!