F6 Typhoon VS GEN 3

[VT GEN3]

Hi,

I have a VT GEN3, mafless tune, OTRCAI, 3.9 diff gears, 4-1 long headers, 2.5 inch twin system, opened up cats and a ported throttle body. Did my 230rwkw.

I went into ford to test drive a F6 Typhoon 6 speed manual to compare the difference. I found the F6 to be a little slack until 2500rpm, from there it built nice thrust, sounded like a good turbo should, had a great rush and pulled hard in second gear.

To be really honest, I felt like my Gen 3 had its measure in first gear, puls hard almost straight off idle, builds up a stonger head of steam up top, pulls about as hard in second gear.

I think with decent traction the gen 3 would beat it down the quarter in my current configuration state.

Standard the Typhoon would have its measure. A typhoon with a little extra boost, tune would really be a super super car. I thought in standard form it was almost what my VT GEN3 is after the mods.

Comments..

[OUTAtheBloo]

Didnt you start that thread about racing a STI/WRX ???

What was the result ?

Dan

[mustanger]

Didnt you start that thread about racing a STI/WRX ???

What was the result ?

Dan

OH NO !!!!!!!, Not again :slap::banghead:

[Wonky]

Aaaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh!! Quick mods, close it!! :bash::nutkick::outlaw::box::rocket:

[CarlFST60L]

Try the search button on F6 / XR6... Its been done to death time and time again... or you could try fordforums for info on the ford cars...

:sux:

[vyssbeast]

mate, still cleanin up the mess from the other thread!

:lol: seriously though, they are quick, but im not sure if your ass was calibrated correctly enough to give an accurate measurement. (sotp?) :lol:

[Strick]

now now gents he's jusat after info, why shut him down before info is displayed............................... So very quick to judge

[Wonky]

now now gents he's jusat after info, why shut him down before info is displayed............................... So very quick to judge

Have you read his other similar thread? http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=56357 He pi$$ed a lot of people off in that one by never responding about the results of his race...... :vpo:

[Alex(AUS)]

Take your car to the strip ... if it can manage better than 12.9@109/13.0@108 (my experience) with stock rubber; it is faster ... The F6 is quite deceptive. I think with your setup you will see 13.3@106 ... but I know little about modified LS1s ... give it a go and see ...

Alex


mate, still cleanin up the mess from the other thread!

:lol: seriously though, they are quick, but im not sure if your ass was calibrated correctly enough to give an accurate measurement. (sotp?) :lol:

HEY HEY ... it could be a SAE corrected SOTP with weather/alt station!!!

Alex

[Ghosn]

I think he deserves a holiday for having the nerve to stir more shit up. ZZZZzzzz.

[ballbreaker]

Hi,

I have a VT GEN3, mafless tune, OTRCAI, 3.9 diff gears, 4-1 long headers, 2.5 inch twin system, opened up cats and a ported throttle body. Did my 230rwkw.

I went into ford to test drive a F6 Typhoon 6 speed manual to compare the difference. I found the F6 to be a little slack until 2500rpm, from there it built nice thrust, sounded like a good turbo should, had a great rush and pulled hard in second gear.

To be really honest, I felt like my Gen 3 had its measure in first gear, puls hard almost straight off idle, builds up a stonger head of steam up top, pulls about as hard in second gear.

I think with decent traction the gen 3 would beat it down the quarter iand im sure with colder weather its going into the very high 12 sn my current configuration state.

Standard the Typhoon would have its measure. A typhoon with a little extra boost, tune would really be a super super car. I thought in standard form it was almost what my VT GEN3 is after the mods.

Comments..
Mate drive a F6 with the zf auto,its a diffrent car all together. I own a f6 auto dead stock in full street trim 13.180 @106 mph 2047 60 footer @ eastern creek & im sure with colder weather on its way i think i may see a high 12.y are you try to match stock with a modded 1

[jasper361]

Hi,

I have a VT GEN3, mafless tune, OTRCAI, 3.9 diff gears, 4-1 long headers, 2.5 inch twin system, opened up cats and a ported throttle body. Did my 230rwkw.

I went into ford to test drive a F6 Typhoon 6 speed manual to compare the difference. I found the F6 to be a little slack until 2500rpm, from there it built nice thrust, sounded like a good turbo should, had a great rush and pulled hard in second gear.

To be really honest, I felt like my Gen 3 had its measure in first gear, puls hard almost straight off idle, builds up a stonger head of steam up top, pulls about as hard in second gear.

I think with decent traction the gen 3 would beat it down the quarter in my current configuration state.

Standard the Typhoon would have its measure. A typhoon with a little extra boost, tune would really be a super super car. I thought in standard form it was almost what my VT GEN3 is after the mods.

Comments..

Your Deaming mate...

[DuffMan]

Mate drive a F6 with the zf auto,its a diffrent car all together. I own a f6 auto dead stock in full street trim 13.180 @106 mph 2047 60 footer @ eastern creek & im sure with colder weather on its way i think i may see a high 12.y are you try to match stock with a modded 1

high 12 sec pass in a stocker. who's kidding who?

[Freaky]

high 12 sec pass in a stocker. who's kidding who?

It has been done over and over with timeslips to prove it. Head over to AFF if you dont beleive it.

[RichieRedHotSS]

Mate drive a F6 with the zf auto,its a diffrent car all together. I own a f6 auto dead stock in full street trim 13.180 @106 mph 2047 60 footer @ eastern creek & im sure with colder weather on its way i think i may see a high 12.y are you try to match stock with a modded 1

I guess as long as you believe it..........then it's true.

By the way, I'm still happy with my stock VZ SS 6M doing low 12's (in the wet).

[crtx]

the typoons are very quick cars out of the box, im sure spending the same amount of money on each the typoon would have the edge weather dependant and driver.

Thought there are freaks iv just seen too many typoons very quick cars.

[Danv8]

Hi,

I have a VT GEN3, mafless tune, OTRCAI, 3.9 diff gears, 4-1 long headers, 2.5 inch twin system, opened up cats and a ported throttle body. Did my 230rwkw.

I went into ford to test drive a F6 Typhoon 6 speed manual to compare the difference. I found the F6 to be a little slack until 2500rpm, from there it built nice thrust, sounded like a good turbo should, had a great rush and pulled hard in second gear.

To be really honest, I felt like my Gen 3 had its measure in first gear, puls hard almost straight off idle, builds up a stonger head of steam up top, pulls about as hard in second gear.

I think with decent traction the gen 3 would beat it down the quarter in my current configuration state.

Standard the Typhoon would have its measure. A typhoon with a little extra boost, tune would really be a super super car. I thought in standard form it was almost what my VT GEN3 is after the mods.

Comments..


Simple either one can win or lose and thats pretty much the end of it.

[Ridin-High]

It has been done over and over with timeslips to prove it. Head over to AFF if you dont beleive it.

From memory i think their is only one guy who has pulled a 12.9 @ AFF in in totally STOCK F6, please correct me if im wrong. But that probably would have been with the best 60 footer you could get in a typhoon (STOCK)

[nikola]

I thought the 12.9sec time for that F6 was with an aftermarket free-slow air filter? But of course, little details like this (conveniently) get lost in translation.

[CarlFST60L]

I thought the 12.9sec time for that F6 was with an aftermarket free-slow air filter? But of course, little details like this (conveniently) get lost in translation.

Yeah, there seems to always be a 'but this' 'but that'

I request a new feature on the forums, and 'ignore' button for threads, one click and its goooone :lol:

[Phantom_Menace]

:sux::sux::sux::sux::sux:

Notice he hasnt replied........

:lock::lock::lock::lock::lock::lock:

[Danv8]

Yeah, there seems to always be a 'but this' 'but that'

I request a new feature on the forums, and 'ignore' button for threads, one click and its goooone :lol:

<Reverend Lovejoy>
"I've never heard such gratuitus use of the word but...."
:-)

[ballbreaker]

From memory i think their is only one guy who has pulled a 12.9 @ AFF in in totally STOCK F6, please correct me if im wrong. But that probably would have been with the best 60 footer you could get in a typhoon (STOCK)
Mate a number of TYPHOONS have done that & better,Mine done a 13.180 dead stock.I even have a nice story about a BLACK VE GTS, But i warn u Holden guys its gana HURT.

[Danv8]

Mate a number of TYPHOONS have done that & better,Mine done a 13.180 dead stock.I even have a nice story about a BLACK VE GTS, But i warn u Holden guys its gana HURT.

Who cares really I mean you can make both go bloody hard and fast.

Silly pissing contest should be kept for kids.

[CarlFST60L]

Yes we hear you... i also have personally watch 5/6 manage only mid/high 13's... consistantly...

Anyway, hows that ignore button going? i cant help looking at these pissing contest threads

[payaya]

Mention nothing about turbo boost please!!!

Get a Supra, spend not that much on it, drive down the freeway at 310km/hour and be satisfied not ford or holden will beat you.


Mate a number of TYPHOONS have done that & better,Mine done a 13.180 dead stock.I even have a nice story about a BLACK VE GTS, But i warn u Holden guys its gana HURT.

Why do mags never get those times?? 13.10 dead stock would mean the rated output of engine is majorly underated.

[bundyvx]

I guess as long as you believe it..........then it's true.

By the way, I'm still happy with my stock VZ SS 6M doing low 12's (in the wet).

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

and I recon my stock VX can get a high 11 in reverse

[payaya]

i think we need to get a dead stock F6 and VE HSV out for a once and for all dragging match.

[ballbreaker]

May be they do have more power than FORDS is saying,My mate drove my car @ the creek as well HIS time was 13.148 @ 108 mph .

[payaya]

Of course they do! One of you guys need to get into the face of Motor and tell them you can make a Typhoon do almost a 13 flat.

[CarlFST60L]

i think we need to get a dead stock F6 and VE HSV out for a once and for all dragging match.

I have raced my dead stock R8, and i mean spare and all, stock tyre pressures, maps, food products, as driven from the factory to 13.5 @ 104mph @ 42C air temp, and well over 50C track temps... No smoke n mirrors... There was another couple of tenths as i was only doing high 2.1 60ft, and have since done low 1.9, that makes 3 tenths, so 13.3 would have been the limit, maybe 13.1 with good air temps, but i have no actual timeslips, just what i can work out

I have personally watched many XR6T's + 5/6 F6's run no better than 13.5, usually high 13's, and many 14 second pass's from XR6T's (all at WSID, and i know many others have also seen this happen). Then, out of no where, someon take 0.6 of a second of those half a dozen cars times... Maybe the waste gates stuck closed? Maybe FPV were playing? i know i would if a worked there, wind up the boost, happy customers, faster cars, why not!? ;) :1peek:

Why do i reply... im asking for trouble

[ballbreaker]

i think we need to get a dead stock F6 and VE HSV out for a once and for all dragging match.

mate ill be in that,find a ve then off we go to the creek.

[payaya]

VE HSV required, needs to be stock :)

So no HSV owners wanna play???

[ballbreaker]

VE HSV required, needs to be stock :)

Must be stock no mods.

[CarlFST60L]

Sorry, in only have a 300kwrw E Series R8

Still, do you see a valid point we have... Why have so many of us watched mid 13 second pass's, then someone can come out with a 12? its to big a diffrence... i have seen modified F6's run high 12's... im not saying your car didnt come like that, but there MUST be a reason yours is WAY faster than the other 5/6 i have personally watched at WSID

[ballbreaker]

I have raced my dead stock R8, and i mean spare and all, stock tyre pressures, maps, food products, as driven from the factory to 13.5 @ 104mph @ 42C air temp, and well over 50C track temps... No smoke n mirrors... There was another couple of tenths as i was only doing high 2.1 60ft, and have since done low 1.9, that makes 3 tenths, so 13.3 would have been the limit, maybe 13.1 with good air temps, but i have no actual timeslips, just what i can work out

I have personally watched many XR6T's + 5/6 F6's run no better than 13.5, usually high 13's, and many 14 second pass's from XR6T's (all at WSID, and i know many others have also seen this happen). Then, out of no where, someon take 0.6 of a second of those half a dozen cars times... Maybe the waste gates stuck closed? Maybe FPV were playing? i know i would if a worked there, wind up the boost, happy customers, faster cars, why not!? ;) :1peek:

Why do i reply... im asking for trouble
Mate thats a good time 42 d grees shit that hot .My best was done at night at 12 to 14 d grees.

[payaya]

Sorry, in only have a 300kwrw E Series R8

how does that help?????? anyone have a 300rwkw Typhoon???

[CarlFST60L]

Mate thats a good time 42 d grees shit that hot .My best was done at night at 12 to 14 d grees.

I think an E Series with lower pressures and air filter will do 12's at 12C if they are a good driver

Payaya, i would have been up for it had my car been stock, but stock only lastested 5000km

[ballbreaker]

how does that help?????? anyone have a 300rwkw Typhoon???

May be able to help ill ask my mate he has a f6 with 355 rwkw with the zf auto,does this help ,NO it wont KEEP it STOCK FOR STOCK.What sort of times are u guys doing STOCK.

[flappist]

These threads always amuse me. One group makes a comment then all of a sudden umpty zillion keyboard experts who have never actually had any real experience with the vehicles in question babble on how it can't happen.
Rather than say, "well that is interesting do you have any evidence?" there is this scream of "it cannot be true" because if it were true their personal fantasies would come crashing down around them.

My F6 is one of the first ones made originally has the dodgey clutch etc. At the time, early 2005, the general consensus was that a F6 would not do under 14 seconds. I was sure it would. My extensive experience on drag racing at that time was one T&T at benaraby and one at willowbank, both in my previous car.
I turned up at willowbank one wednesday night, lined up and and sure enough got about 14.2. After about 8 goes I worked out to correct way to launch and did 13.8. (Many others have gone quicker than me).
My car was absolutley factory standard with original SP9000 tyres at road pressure, full tank of BP Ultimate, 2 suitcases in the boot and all the bits such as spare tyre still attached.
I posted it here and drew the same response as those above. The difference was that Voodoo, Pacey and Mark12, as well as a few other LS1ers were all there and witnessed it.

Now 13.8 is a lot different to 12.9 but I have driven several stock (as in demonstrator) auto F6s and all of them would eat my now 275rwkw F6 over a 400m. Also the difference the air temp makes on a turbo is spectacular so faster times are more common in cold places like Calder.
Also my F6 is an early BA2 that is 2 models old. The newer ones are quicker.

So, instead of going off like pork chops why not ask if there were any witnesses, preferably LS1 members of repute?

You never know, it might just be true..........

[CarlFST60L]

So, instead of going off like pork chops why not ask if there were any witnesses, preferably LS1 members of repute?

You never know, it might just be true..........

It may well be true mate, but even if i was standing there watchcing, I couldnt be sure that there is no mod's, no extra boost, no little tweaks or smoke and mirrors, and I have heard of people having tunned cars and not even knowing. You ran 13.8, i have seen old and new do the same personally, and heard of heaps more running mid 13's...

And the comment about 'our worlds comming crashing down', wake up, if you think anyones life revolves around your F6, you have a narrow view of the world :rofl:

[flappist]

For a minute I wondered why you attributed my quote to papaya but then I read some of your posts and it must be difficult to see things with only one eye.

My F6 is just a car, I am not saying it is better or worse than any other car. What I am saying is that there are some members here and of AFF for that matter who are so dogmaticly zealous that they will never actually accept something might be true if it does not support their position.
I did not aim this comment at anyone in particular as I was quite aware that those whom it describes would immediately retaliate, not with evidence, logic or even anedotes rather in the only way they know how, personal attacks.

P.S. looks like you worked out who actually made the original quote.......

[Wonky]

Gawd ..... should have known that any thread mentioning Typhoon was just going to turn into yet another waste of time pissing contest....... :sux:

[CarlFST60L]

For a minute I wondered why you attributed my quote to papaya but then I read some of your posts and it must be difficult to see things with only one eye.

My F6 is just a car, I am not saying it is better or worse than any other car. What I am saying is that there are some members here and of AFF for that matter who are so dogmaticly zealous that they will never actually accept something might be true if it does not support their position.
I did not aim this comment at anyone in particular as I was quite aware that those whom it describes would immediately retaliate, not with evidence, logic or even anedotes rather in the only way they know how, personal attacks.

P.S. looks like you worked out who actually made the original quote.......

Im confused, i dont believe i have one eye, i have only ever stated what i have seen... When i go to the drags and see otherwise, i will post what i have seen, no problems at all :cheers:

Edit: Just reread your post, am i think i missread what you were saying, i thought you were saying i would think my world would come crashing down if there was an F6 running 12's stock... i did fail english :lol:

[jasper361]

i think we need to get a dead stock F6 and VE HSV out for a once and for all dragging match.

And on one day the HSV will win and on the next the FPV, there is very little between these cars and will probably come down to driver ability, track conditions, weather etc.
We're all winners as long as we're happy with what we are driving!

[Chappy]

The only to find our is to run up against one then you will know for sure.

I own a Clubsport that has 230rwkw and I don't think I would be that silly to go picking on a Typhoon.

Like my my dad use to say what you don't know wont hurt you.

Beside they are both good vehicle if you are a Ford man the Typhoon is best if you are a GM man then the HSV or Gen111 is best its all in the eyes of the beholder.

Cheers

[IH8HSV]

Record for a stock f6 is 12.7 at calder
12.9 at wsid....100% factory standard

Its all in the 60ft time :nyuk:

Saw a stock f6 run 13.1 last week with 600km on the clock spare in the boot full tank of juice, first time racer.

PS - Just remember with turbos the cold weather plays a big part in the times..Wheels times were done on a 40degree day

[burnout9]

i took a typhoon for a test drive about a month ago

yeh they go alright but hypo six's dont intrest me, yeh i respect the power these suckers have but you just cant beat the sound of a tough v8 roaring down the road at you

[JimmyXR6T04]

geez guys.. i saw this thread this morning around 5:50am... i didn't think it would take off and turn into yet another f6 vs holden show.

The fact is, F6s have run high 12s, low 13s often enough, so it is plausible and possible for a factory f6 to do those times. Just like it's plausible for a HSV to run them. Everyone knows that no one car is the same when it leaves the factory, that's why we see a variation in stock cars, run up on the same dyno.

I see what CarlFST60L is saying.. but at the end of the day, the F6 with A6 is more then capable of low 13s, high 12s in stock trim. Even if they are a freak from the factory.

Who cares what they do stock?? Both are awesome cars, and both are quick!

As for the original topic, a standard F6 and modded genIII with 230rwkw would be pretty close! Considering many F6s come out of the factory with 230rwkw.

At the end of the day, anything can be made to go fast... the little $500 dato with a few bucks spent on it might blow both cars doors off, but does that mean we'd rather it??? Just like, a highly modded F6 or HSV might blow the doors off a Ferrari, but hell, i know i'd still rather the ferrari. Just like i'd rather own an F6 or new HSV then a modded older model falcon or commodore. Regardless of which was faster, it's not all about speed...

[CarlFST60L]

Record for a stock f6 is 12.7 at calder
12.9 at wsid....100% factory standard

Alright, i personally dont believe 12.7 STOCK from factory is possible i.e. normal fuel, normal tyres from factory, normal tyre pressures, normal air filter... i call BS..

I have personally seen mod'd F6's pushing 280kwrw stuggle to get into the 12's, otherwise stock from factory, just boost and tune

[SS_Fury]

i dont have much knowledge of drag racing but despite being a heavier car, wouldnt 280 odd rwkw, although a peak number, be able to get into the high 12's atleast?

[Freaky]

Alright, i personally dont believe 12.7 STOCK from factory is possible i.e. normal fuel, normal tyres from factory, normal tyre pressures, normal air filter... i call BS..

I have personally seen mod'd F6's pushing 280kwrw stuggle to get into the 12's, otherwise stock from factory, just boost and tune

lol. don't beleive it if you choose.

speak about denial. :rofl:

[Quadcams]

Alright, i personally dont believe 12.7 STOCK from factory is possible i.e. normal fuel, normal tyres from factory, normal tyre pressures, normal air filter... i call BS..

I have personally seen mod'd F6's pushing 280kwrw stuggle to get into the 12's, otherwise stock from factory, just boost and tune

Carl there are so many variables at the strip, driver, track temp/conditions etc etc to achieve a good ET if the average punter achieves times between 14.0 and 13.5 put an above average driver in the times are going to tumble. A good driver with optium conditions in the F6 (with ZF 6p auto) will achieve a 12 there's no doubt about it just like the Ve R8 wouldnt be far of also with good driver/conditions.
With the ZF 6sp auto behind them they are quick, the improvements across the rang is impressive, know of a BF GT 1000k's on the clock dead stock did a 13.4@104 (was a good driver) but previously un heard of pre ZF6p and BF XR8's with only hedders, cai, tune (230rwkw) doing 12.8@109 also impressive comparing to previous models same mods.
Do your resurch and you will find it very believable and up the boost they are even harder to achieve a good number, then have to consentrate on driver/setup.

[Alex(AUS)]

Ok .. this is just stupid. From my own experience (and I own a Senator ... so I am NOT one of these ONE-EYED PRO FORD people on the forum), the F6 will do a 12.9 (filter only) ... 12.7 IS IMPOSSIBLE without other modifications (certainly with the cars I have dealt with). But what you Ford people need to understand is that the E-Series HSVs arent that far behing. At most there is 1-2tenths, 1-2miles in it. Just last night there was a 13.0@107 from a VE R8 at Caulder (anyone have the details?). So the whole 12.9 was megga impressive before ... but now it is just average.

I should also mention that, the only way to achieve a 12.9 is with the 2nd to 1st launch which really doesnt work very well on the street because the car is basically telling you when you can take off. The 2nd to 1st launch thing is simply a bug in the software. Who in the world would want to take off when the car is good and ready. I want to take off when the light is green not 2 seconds afterward!!! Real world it is probably a 13.0 - 13.1 (very good conditions, no filter, standard launch). Same with the HSV ... probably 13.2.

Now, the new HSVs are miles ahead in EVERY other way ... so if you buy a car for every tenth at the drag strip but nothing else ... get the F6 ... if you want a MUCH better package with the ability to go quick in a straight line and lap a cicruit much quicker than an F6 get the HSV.

Orion may change things ... we will soon see.

My 2c,

Alex

[payaya]

So we already have a hands up on Fords end, nothing yet from the GM end, even when we are on a Holden forum?????

:confused:

[flappist]

Ok .. this is just stupid. From my own experience (and I own a Senator ... so I am NOT one of these ONE-EYED PRO FORD people on the forum), the F6 will do a 12.9 (filter only) ... 12.7 IS IMPOSSIBLE without other modifications (certainly with the cars I have dealt with). But what you Ford people need to understand is that the E-Series HSVs arent that far behing. At most there is 1-2tenths, 1-2miles in it. Just last night there was a 13.0@107 from a VE R8 at Caulder (anyone have the details?). So the whole 12.9 was megga impressive before ... but now it is just average.

I should also mention that, the only way to achieve a 12.9 is with the 2nd to 1st launch which really doesnt work very well on the street because the car is basically telling you when you can take off. The 2nd to 1st launch thing is simply a bug in the software. Who in the world would want to take off when the car is good and ready. I want to take off when the light is green not 2 seconds afterward!!! Real world it is probably a 13.0 - 13.1 (very good conditions, no filter, standard launch). Same with the HSV ... probably 13.2.

Now, the new HSVs are miles ahead in EVERY other way ... so if you buy a car for every tenth at the drag strip but nothing else ... get the F6 ... if you want a MUCH better package with the ability to go quick in a straight line and lap a cicruit much quicker than an F6 get the HSV.

Orion may change things ... we will soon see.

My 2c,

Alex


I love the term IMPOSSIBLE.....

So you are saying that a vehicle that uses positive manifold pressure that is regulated after an intercooler will not generate more torque in a situation of, for example OAT -5, QNH 1032, Humidity 0.1, Density ALT -500 than in a normal summer day?
Cold thick dry air is much more compact than hot wet air and therefore more gets into the engine. The same is true in a N/A engine but the system is limited by friction and the lack of a multiplying factor.

Boyles/Charles Law, P1V1/T1 is a constant. If the pressure is constant, that is the turbo has compressed to its controlled limit, and the temperature is lower then the volume of air is greater. Because all of the engines use clever little computers that measure the oxygen in the exhaust and adjust the fuel accordingly then more air draws more fuel which burns to produce more energy which is converted to more torque by the pistons/crank system.

Lots of torque, a sticky track surface and a bit of good luck can make a HUGE difference regardless of what badge is on the front.

And the last comment about delayed launch is a bit confusing. You do realise that the timer starts when you break the lights not when the xmas tree goes green don't you?

[payaya]

The F6 has less tyre width to play with too. So even more impressive for the F6 in a straight line :)

[Vulture]

Came across a cruise of F6s and GTs today coming home from the Brock Shop and thought to myself "let's get ready to ruuuuummmmble!" that was until a kind lady in a nice blue F6 pointed out that my bonnet was open! :o

V8 boys: I would be very happy to take on most F6s from a standing start but you must be aware that they can be very fast at in-gear roll-ons, which happen on the street quite a bit.

[jasper361]

I love the term IMPOSSIBLE.....

So you are saying that a vehicle that uses positive manifold pressure that is regulated after an intercooler will not generate more torque in a situation of, for example OAT -5, QNH 1032, Humidity 0.1, Density ALT -500 than in a normal summer day?
Cold thick dry air is much more compact than hot wet air and therefore more gets into the engine. The same is true in a N/A engine but the system is limited by friction and the lack of a multiplying factor.

Boyles/Charles Law, P1V1/T1 is a constant. If the pressure is constant, that is the turbo has compressed to its controlled limit, and the temperature is lower then the volume of air is greater. Because all of the engines use clever little computers that measure the oxygen in the exhaust and adjust the fuel accordingly then more air draws more fuel which burns to produce more energy which is converted to more torque by the pistons/crank system.

Lots of torque, a sticky track surface and a bit of good luck can make a HUGE difference regardless of what badge is on the front.

And the last comment about delayed launch is a bit confusing. You do realise that the timer starts when you break the lights not when the xmas tree goes green don't you?

I'm with him... and I was just about to say the same thing!

Alex, you need to stop jumping from forum to forum and Pissin in everyones pocket. The last thread i read of yours on Fxr6t.com created agro as well:vpo:

[ballbreaker]

Ok .. this is just stupid. From my own experience (and I own a Senator ... so I am NOT one of these ONE-EYED PRO FORD people on the forum), the F6 will do a 12.9 (filter only) ... 12.7 IS IMPOSSIBLE without other modifications (certainly with the cars I have dealt with). But what you Ford people need to understand is that the E-Series HSVs arent that far behing. At most there is 1-2tenths, 1-2miles in it. Just last night there was a 13.0@107 from a VE R8 at Caulder (anyone have the details?). So the whole 12.9 was megga impressive before ... but now it is just average.

I should also mention that, the only way to achieve a 12.9 is with the 2nd to 1st launch which really doesnt work very well on the street because the car is basically telling you when you can take off. The 2nd to 1st launch thing is simply a bug in the software. Who in the world would want to take off when the car is good and ready. I want to take off when the light is green not 2 seconds afterward!!! Real world it is probably a 13.0 - 13.1 (very good conditions, no filter, standard launch). Same with the HSV ... probably 13.2.

Now, the new HSVs are miles ahead in EVERY other way ... so if you buy a car for every tenth at the drag strip but nothing else ... get the F6 ... if you want a MUCH better package with the ability to go quick in a straight line and lap a cicruit much quicker than an F6 get the HSV.

Orion may change things ... we will soon see.

My 2c,

Alex
Mate my times are just in sports mode no manual changing no second gear stall then back to first.I dont class my self a good driver far from it .The car before this was a F6 manual 330 rwkw best run 13,200 @117 mph with a 2200 60 footer on sp 9000, & every time you change gears there goes your boost + the gearing in the manual is not right at all.

[Danie|]

All this denial is silly.
I’m not one eyed ford man only, I own one because VE wasn’t around when I got my car and the fact of the spy shot, i didn’t like the interior(not saying my current interior is perfect, either, however! - my choice was easy, so don’t shoot me down due to my 'current' ride.

I am yet to run my car down the 1/4, so I'm not going to talk shit, but having read and seen a lot o 1/4 action, the F6 is capable of 12.9 yes, 12.7 i have not seen, but with perfect condition, pressures and a *good* driver, i can see it within reach, maybe not 100% consistently however, as I say, i don't know.

My current ride, I have played with G-techs and nothing else, within a week of today I hope to be back from the track with some times, but being my first time, I don’t expect to be getting these times, so don't hold me to 12.9s! lol

I find 2nd to 1st launches are good, but very hard to time, and i may try at the track if i get the hand of it, otherwise I'm not interested. The problem I get is a super quick jump then mass wheel spin or a slow jump and some wheel spin. I find mashing the pedal to have huge delay on boost, i am still learning how to get the most of it now (7months later) so anyone who says stuff like 'i took one for a test drive' and thinks they know how they drive, or thinks they know 100% what they are capable of is dreaming, as I say, I got my best take offs tonight (7 months later of playing around haha)

I have lined up vs-vz, no ve has ever been willing to just see what will happen either way, so either they are too good for the run or a little worried something might keep up or even pass them a little if they don’t get a good launch or can’t drive.. I’m yet to see a fast ve on the street is basically what I’m saying, SO i will hold my opinions as I don’t think they matter, at tracks I’ve seem them go well, but as I say, track/street vary a lot and still yet to see much of a difference on the track anyhow.

My car is stock, once i learn to drive at the track I’m 100% willing to put down or shut up, I wish to SEE the real comparison, 1 on 1, not 'this car did this on such n such track' or 'this car is capable of yadda yadda'

I had a ve ssv for a day the other week and was impressed, it didn’t feel super fast or go super fast, but it was fast for a stock mainstream brand car yes, and that’s also admitting I wouldn’t have a clue on how to get the most out it only after driving it for a day.

Carl: Your comments popping up like "that’s plain BS" are just a joke, how can you say such a thing unless you were there?
I'm not backing the comment, it may very well be BS, but I'd ask for evidence (ie slip) or at least the cars owner/runner come forth and explain his/her technique.
On the flip side, if you told me a VE R8 ran a 12.2sec qtr stock id be pretty surprised/impressed as I was with the 12.7 F6, but I wouldn’t ump off the rail calling it BS thinking I knew better, well not until proven a lie.



All in all, I think they are about equal, and it all comes down to driver ability and know how with the vehicle; time will tell.

[payaya]

Alex why dont you use your E series and challenge one of these stock Phoons in Melb??

Daniel, you can race Alex at Calder??? Is your car stock Alex?? You should be able to beat Daniel wouldnt you??

[BadMac]

Who cares, yet another pi$$ing contest. The F6 is a great car for a 6. I almost bought one, but that C panel and the interior was too dated and in the end swung my decision. Orion has fixed the C panel and from reports the interior is much better, so come replacment time I will have plenty of choice. Thanks Holden and Ford for still producing big powerful cars, At least I didn't have to buy a turbo 4 to shoehorn my family into.

Get over it guys, The F6 is the second best Turbo 6 out there (and the best single turbo 6).

[nang3]

how does that help?????? anyone have a 300rwkw Typhoon???


gimme a few days and $1400 and my phoon will be 300rwkw roughly?? although im in perth haha

[JimmyXR6T04]

Alright, i personally dont believe 12.7 STOCK from factory is possible i.e. normal fuel, normal tyres from factory, normal tyre pressures, normal air filter... i call BS..

I have personally seen mod'd F6's pushing 280kwrw stuggle to get into the 12's, otherwise stock from factory, just boost and tune

If someone struggles to break into the 12s with 280rwkw (in an auto), then they don't have 280rwkw. One driver, who has posted on this forum has gone 11.8 with around 300rwkw.. and that was in a manual! As everyone knows, the autos are generally quicker. So an F6 with 280rwkw, should have no problems cracking 12s... if it's a manual, then sure, maybe it didn't crack a 12, but that would be due to driver error, not the car!


Who cares, yet another pi$$ing contest. The F6 is a great car for a 6. I almost bought one, but that C panel and the interior was too dated and in the end swung my decision. Orion has fixed the C panel and from reports the interior is much better, so come replacment time I will have plenty of choice. Thanks Holden and Ford for still producing big powerful cars, At least I didn't have to buy a turbo 4 to shoehorn my family into.

Get over it guys, The F6 is the second best Turbo 6 out there (and the best single turbo 6).

well said :) we're lucky to have such a great range of local cars, that are within a bee's d*ck when it comes to performance.

[Alex(AUS)]

I love the term IMPOSSIBLE.....

So you are saying that a vehicle that uses positive manifold pressure that is regulated after an intercooler will not generate more torque in a situation of, for example OAT -5, QNH 1032, Humidity 0.1, Density ALT -500 than in a normal summer day?
Cold thick dry air is much more compact than hot wet air and therefore more gets into the engine. The same is true in a N/A engine but the system is limited by friction and the lack of a multiplying factor.

Boyles/Charles Law, P1V1/T1 is a constant. If the pressure is constant, that is the turbo has compressed to its controlled limit, and the temperature is lower then the volume of air is greater. Because all of the engines use clever little computers that measure the oxygen in the exhaust and adjust the fuel accordingly then more air draws more fuel which burns to produce more energy which is converted to more torque by the pistons/crank system.

Lots of torque, a sticky track surface and a bit of good luck can make a HUGE difference regardless of what badge is on the front.

And the last comment about delayed launch is a bit confusing. You do realise that the timer starts when you break the lights not when the xmas tree goes green don't you?


Yeah ... yeah ... one problem ... stock tune and torque tags ... the way you make it out ... -20deg C ... and you are running 11s. Why not put some dry ice on the intercooler and see what happens? And, I did say that is was not possible with the examples I had a play with. You should also remember that the 12.7 was only done once, with filter mods and semi slicks by Mauz (CSV_LS1) ... there have been no 12.8s ... so in a real world it is IMPOSSIBLE ... at -400deg C ... maybe ... but then at -400C the HSV would be pretty quick too :D

Alex


The F6 has less tyre width to play with too. So even more impressive for the F6 in a straight line :)

Yes that is true ...


I'm with him... and I was just about to say the same thing!

Alex, you need to stop jumping from forum to forum and Pissin in everyones pocket. The last thread i read of yours on Fxr6t.com created agro as well:vpo:

Me? I started a thread on xr6t? I have contributed ... but havent started one from memory? I didnt piss in anyones pocket ... I just tell it how it is ... and bought the better car ... I considered Force 6 ... bought Senator because it is MUCH better.

Alex


Alex why dont you use your E series and challenge one of these stock Phoons in Melb??

Daniel, you can race Alex at Calder??? Is your car stock Alex?? You should be able to beat Daniel wouldnt you??

There is no way I am taking the Senator to Calder!!! It is not for racing ... it is for cruising and the Senator would be the heaviest possible VE ... an R8 would be better suited.

Alex


Who cares, yet another pi$$ing contest. The F6 is a great car for a 6. I almost bought one, but that C panel and the interior was too dated and in the end swung my decision. Orion has fixed the C panel and from reports the interior is much better, so come replacment time I will have plenty of choice. Thanks Holden and Ford for still producing big powerful cars, At least I didn't have to buy a turbo 4 to shoehorn my family into.

Get over it guys, The F6 is the second best Turbo 6 out there (and the best single turbo 6).

I cant agree more ... I have said all along that the F6 is a great unit and I have confirmed the times with my own experience ... all I am saying is look beyond that with both models ...

Alex

I do understand how staging works. I am saying the 2nd to 1st launch is not practical in the ZF. Give me a scenario on the street when you can actually use it ...

[IH8HSV]

Yeah ... yeah ... one problem ... stock tune and torque tags ... the way you make it out ... -20deg C ... and you are running 11s. Why not put some dry ice on the intercooler and see what happens? And, I did say that is was not possible with the examples I had a play with. You should also remember that the 12.7 was only done once, with filter mods and semi slicks by Mauz (CSV_LS1) ... there have been no 12.8s ... so in a real world it is IMPOSSIBLE ... at -400deg C ... maybe ... but then at -400C the HSV would be pretty quick too :D

Alex



On a previous post u said it was impossible for a stock f6 to run 12.7 and know u agree it has been done and u also know the guy :confused:

The only mod was an bmc air filter, if u can call it a mod
No semi slicks it was on factory dunlops and it has run a few 12.7- 12.8- 12.9

Dont see a problem with the 2nd to 1st launch he is on a drag strip and is trying to get the best possible 60ft time...there is no 60ft times to worry about on the street.

[flappist]

Yeah ... yeah ... one problem ... stock tune and torque tags ... the way you make it out ... -20deg C ... and you are running 11s. Why not put some dry ice on the intercooler and see what happens? And, I did say that is was not possible with the examples I had a play with. You should also remember that the 12.7 was only done once, with filter mods and semi slicks by Mauz (CSV_LS1) ... there have been no 12.8s ... so in a real world it is IMPOSSIBLE ... at -400deg C ... maybe ... but then at -400C the HSV would be pretty quick too :D



1) You do not understand the torque tag methodology. It is calculated not measured and so it is also temperature variable. Most of the tags that were set in the original BAs were to protect the ION and T3650 trans. They are not as harshly implemented in the BF.

2) You have no idea how much energy is generated by compression and therefore how much dry ice would be needed to do this and even if the intercooler were fixed at -78c, the sublimation temp, the level of energy transfer would still be less than the equivelent OAT 10 degrees cooler.

3) -273c is absolute zero, -400c cannot exist.

You really have shown that your knowlege of chemistry, physics and mechanics are all at the same level haven't you...........

[payaya]

I was thinking the same thing about -400 degrees!

[F6Mauz]

I'll post the time slip tomorrow. Will look for it. Done on 19" dunlop Sp9000's and BMC filter @109mph.

Impossible has been done:rofl:

[vyssbeast]

can someone explain this 2nd to 1st launch please :)

[CarlFST60L]

I'll post the time slip tomorrow. Will look for it. Done on 19" dunlop Sp9000's and BMC filter @109mph.

Impossible has been done:rofl:

Point is, its not from factory as claimed... Even if it is only a little mod... I changed the filter in my R8 and went from 230kwrw to 265kwrw :) Im sure if the F6 was very cool, your dropped the rear tyres pressures to get the 60ft around 1.8

Either way, its great to see fast cars available for us all :eyes: It still dosnt explain why i have seen atleast 5 F6's at EC unable to crack 13.5 :confused:

[Alex(AUS)]

On a previous post u said it was impossible for a stock f6 to run 12.7 and know u agree it has been done and u also know the guy :confused:

The only mod was an bmc air filter, if u can call it a mod
No semi slicks it was on factory dunlops and it has run a few 12.7- 12.8- 12.9

Dont see a problem with the 2nd to 1st launch he is on a drag strip and is trying to get the best possible 60ft time...there is no 60ft times to worry about on the street.

I knew the time you were refering to (it has been quoted 1000 times)... I didnt say I know the guy or the time (I wasnt there). I did say (go back to my post) ... that from my experience 12.7 was not possible (109mph is). There have been no other (non Mauz) 12.7s or 12.8s to my knowledge appart from that and I dont believe that did in itself happe with only a filter ... I think there may have been semi slicks and more? (I certainly remember reading that) .... sorry ...

Where are the other standard 12.7s or 12.8s then? they would have been quoted another 1000 times if they existed. But all there is is this single run ... I dont believe the filter was all that there was above stock ... sorry again.

Alex


1) You do not understand the torque tag methodology. It is calculated not measured and so it is also temperature variable. Most of the tags that were set in the original BAs were to protect the ION and T3650 trans. They are not as harshly implemented in the BF.

2) You have no idea how much energy is generated by compression and therefore how much dry ice would be needed to do this and even if the intercooler were fixed at -78c, the sublimation temp, the level of energy transfer would still be less than the equivelent OAT 10 degrees cooler.

3) -273c is absolute zero, -400c cannot exist.

You really have shown that your knowlege of chemistry, physics and mechanics are all at the same level haven't you...........

The -400 was a joke buddy. Torque tags are not only there to protect the transmission but the drivetrain/engine in general and do not only occur during shifts but throughout the rev range and they do factor the density of air (and VE) based on the IAT ... relax ... I know what I am talking about even if I dont waste my time with the science here ... as just a single example, from memory, the ZF box is rated at 600NM ... Ford will certainly not allow this to be passed (this is less than 10% above standard) at the very coldest night possible you would only be better by 1 tenth and 1 mile before the torque tags would intervene (even if the potential power / torque was there to be had). My runs were at 5deg C for a 12.9@109. That is with a 2.0 60 footer. I believe there is no more to be had stock standard.

Oh, the science was glorious!!! Too bad it meant nothing in the end eh?

Alex

[lowriding]

geez these threads - sorry to offend anyone ,but who really cares about a 6 cylinder falcon ? Even if it does an 8 second quarter i'd never buy or lust after one ! Its a tarted taxi cab sorry guys ,despite its apparently lower performance I'd still prefer a GT/GTP from that stable and i know many others out here in ownership land (i.e not journo land or internet land)are the same .:)

[Alex(AUS)]

can someone explain this 2nd to 1st launch please :)

It is a pretty clumsy thing ... you stall the car in first and put it into second (while still stalled) which allows you to momentarily stall higher than what was possible in first. As the car goes back into first (on its own because it refuses to take off in second) you have more rpms on board ... at that very moment (when the car decides) you must take off ... you gain more boost and rpm on take off and generally 1-2 tenths from a reduced 60 foot time.

On a side note, with the BF F6 I found that stalling too long makes the car drop the revs on its own ... stuffing up your launch.


To be honest with you guys I AM OVER the whole F6 vs the world thing ... just drive and buy WHATEVER you like and enjoy it ... Lets talk about something else ...

Alex

[Danie|]

...explain why i have seen atleast 5 F6's at EC unable to crack 13.5 :confused:

It could very well be the exact same reason we don't know the best possible time for any car on the available market..

Think about it, every car is different to a degree (certainly mass produced) and then add in a bunch of variables that could go either way at any time of the day and then factor in the clincher, driver ability!

I know gtech isnt anywhere near as widely acclaimed as a propper 1/4 strip thats why i havnt claimed personal times; but for personal comparisons they are accurate i do believe. I'm only one person using the one gtech in the one car, ive ranged from 14.0 odd seconds (changed too many gears) to a 12.9something - that being said ive only got the 12.9x once and have mostly gotten 13.1-13.4s
My mate tried it in my car and got best of 13.5 most around 13.8 so it confirms my earlier statement of knowing your car..
As i say, i dont claim these as 1/4 times, im not saying my car is capable of 12.9x on strip, as i dont know do i; or do you for that matter lol.

What it does show is driver capability leaves alot in the times and all it takes is someone who isnt drag stip savy or maybe they don't know how to get the very last tenth out of the vehicle.

Get over the 13.5 times you have seen, as a laugh, i seen an xr6 turbo run a 16.x lol, he stuffed up launch a little, then wheel spin then stuffed a gear change; guy was obviously too nervous or not sure how to drive.

Question the driver, not the car.:eyes:

[CarlFST60L]

To be honest with your guys I AM OVER the whole F6 vs the world thing ... just drive and buy whatever you like and enjoy it ...

Alex

Well said :cheers:

[Danie|]

It is a pretty clumsy thing ... you stall the car in first and put it into second (while still stalled) which allows you to momentarily stall higher than what was possible in first. As the car goes back into first (on its own because it refuses to take off in second) you have more rpms on board ... at that very moment (when the car decides) you must take off ... you gain more boost and rpm on take off and generally 1-2 tenths from a reduced 60 foot time.

On a side note, with the BF F6 I found that stalling too long makes the car drop the revs on its own ... stuffing up your launch.


To be honest with you guys I AM OVER the whole F6 vs the world thing ... just drive and buy WHATEVER you like and enjoy it ... Lets talk about something else ...

Alex
Umm, it does let you take off in 2nd, and does so very easily, car doesn’t mind at all..

It's more like this:

Select Manual mode
Hold brake
Select 2nd gear
Stall to desired revs (less than 2000 is plenty if you ask me)
Just before you need to go, push it into 1st, revs rise into boost and release brake as you squeeze the throttle

You can’t just mash the throttle or you will spin untill 3rd gear too easily, useless and expensive mistake!:smilesandbanana:

[ballbreaker]

Point is, its not from factory as claimed... Even if it is only a little mod... I changed the filter in my R8 and went from 230kwrw to 265kwrw :) Im sure if the F6 was very cool, your dropped the rear tyres pressures to get the 60ft around 1.8

Either way, its great to see fast cars available for us all :eyes: It still dosnt explain why i have seen atleast 5 F6's at EC unable to crack 13.5 :confused:

MY first run at the creek with this car in summer 13.400.You can call this bullshit 2 2 run with a VE gts & my F6 i was car and a half in front 2 140ks 2 runs,im sure after the first run he was wide awake.

[Alex(AUS)]

Umm, it does let you take off in 2nd, and does so very easily, car doesn’t mind at all..

It's more like this:

Select Manual mode
Hold brake
Select 2nd gear
Stall to desired revs (less than 2000 is plenty if you ask me)
Just before you need to go, push it into 1st, revs rise into boost and release brake as you squeeze the throttle

You can’t just mash the throttle or you will spin untill 3rd gear too easily, useless and expensive mistake!:smilesandbanana:


There you go .... take Daniels word for it (he has one / I dont) ... I couldnt do that it would always go back to first on its own (maybe I did it wrong) or stalled too long / too high or something ...

ANYWAY ... where are the beers Carl?

Alex

[RED R8]

This old chestnut still going???

[VYR8HSV]

Hmm.
Maybe we all should argue how long a piece of string is??
I will start by saying 322mm.
thou a mate of a mate of a mate said he saw one at 324mm
But wasnt written down, so no slip for that..
But on a warmer day it could stretch that little bit longer....
Just need to get them all together on the same day..

Pete

[Alex(AUS)]

Hmm.
Maybe we all should argue how long a piece of string is??
I will start by saying 322mm.
thou a mate of a mate of a mate said he saw one at 324mm
But wasnt written down, so no slip for that..
But on a warmer day it could stretch that little bit longer....
Just need to get them all together on the same day..

Pete

I definately say that a 5967cc (eh cm) string is the best string in every way ....

Oh really ... I think it is enough of the whole F6 thing ...

Alex

[RED R8]

The true length of a peice of string is the exact measurement from the middle to one end doubled.

[payaya]

I guess aussies should be proud the I6 turbo was desgined in australia!

[jasper361]

geez these threads - sorry to offend anyone ,but who really cares about a 6 cylinder falcon ? Even if it does an 8 second quarter i'd never buy or lust after one ! Its a tarted taxi cab sorry guys ,despite its apparently lower performance I'd still prefer a GT/GTP from that stable and i know many others out here in ownership land (i.e not journo land or internet land)are the same .:)

Good to see another quality contribution :rofl:

[FANG IT 350]

Point is, its not from factory as claimed... Even if it is only a little mod... I changed the filter in my R8 and went from 230kwrw to 265kwrw :) Im sure if the F6 was very cool, your dropped the rear tyres pressures to get the 60ft around 1.8

Either way, its great to see fast cars available for us all :eyes: It still dosnt explain why i have seen atleast 5 F6's at EC unable to crack 13.5 :confused:

230 to 265 just from a filter change,,,,,,yea rite:lmao:

[CarlFST60L]

230 to 265 just from a filter change,,,,,,yea rite:lmao:

Its not jus ta filter, is the hole intake system... Its Tuna's CAI with Sonny's handy work

There was atleast two validated LS1 memebers to witness this, i cant explain it, maybe the tune likes these mods and adjusted itself to the new airflow to give the larger gains? I have also seen a VE SS/V gain around 10kwrw with these mods, and i have seen other E series LS2's come up at over 255kwrw with the same mods, so it looks to me like the E Series LS2 love these intake mods from what i have seen... The overall power gains from a tune were minimal...

[lowriding]

Good to see another quality contribution :rofl:

It's the harsh truth & it's called someones opinion ,you'll have to accept that not everyone thinks a Typhoon is anything more than it is.The real world isnt Motor magazine ! I have a 6cyl falcon ute ,and i leave it in it's rightful place - out in the street :)

[Alex(AUS)]

The true length of a peice of string is the exact measurement from the middle to one end doubled.

That is only if the same mathematics and physics rules apply where the other half resides (figuratively speaking in our language) :D ... and ofcause then there is the temperature ... :D

Alex

[nang3]

Point is, its not from factory as claimed... Even if it is only a little mod... I changed the filter in my R8 and went from 230kwrw to 265kwrw :) Im sure if the F6 was very cool, your dropped the rear tyres pressures to get the 60ft around 1.8

Either way, its great to see fast cars available for us all :eyes: It still dosnt explain why i have seen atleast 5 F6's at EC unable to crack 13.5 :confused:

35rwkw is a massive gain from changing just a filter -although ive seen in your later post you actually mean the entire intake system..

the BMC filter in the 12.7 phoon is just the panel filter that goes in the stock airbox to replace the stock paper filter, it has been proven time and time again that the only benefit is for sound/induction noise and gives no extra power or torque.. in fact i dont even think if filters as well as the stock part hahahah

[Ghosn]

It's the harsh truth & it's called someones opinion ,you'll have to accept that not everyone thinks a Typhoon is anything more than it is.The real world isnt Motor magazine ! I have a 6cyl falcon ute ,and i leave it in it's rightful place - out in the street :)

It's all well and good, but don't come on and have a cry because u prefer the GTP over the phoon. No one forced u to read this thread, some of us don't mind the cars being discussed so if it's not ur cup of tea, there are a million other threads to fill ur time, instead of posting useless info about "who cares, it's just a tarted up taxi".


Keeping the thread on track, from my perspective, I don't think u can go wrong with either car. The both seem pretty evenly matched in a straight line. I would say the car with the better driver will win on the day.

[SS_Fury]

give me the phoon any day, even if it wasnt as fast...a brilliant car that one

[jasper361]

It's the harsh truth & it's called someones opinion ,you'll have to accept that not everyone thinks a Typhoon is anything more than it is.The real world isnt Motor magazine ! I have a 6cyl falcon ute ,and i leave it in it's rightful place - out in the street :)

So because a car has 6 cyl instead of 8 it is a POS?
I have found most people on these forums are car enthusiast and respect all performance vehicle regardless of make or engine size and provide constructive and informative comments, obviously your not one of them.

[lowriding]

It's all well and good, but don't come on and have a cry because u prefer the GTP over the phoon. No one forced u to read this thread, some of us don't mind the cars being discussed so if it's not ur cup of tea, there are a million other threads to fill ur time, instead of posting useless info about "who cares, it's just a tarted up taxi".

i'm not having a cry ,i think im the only one who isn't actually :)I certainly don't mind discussing other cars but is this thread a discussion ? I like it but every 3rd thread is f6 vs this ,f6 vs that... There are heaps of long standing pro Ford members whose opinions are top notch and i read every word ,but unfortunately a fair few of these "f6 battles" members are stooges just taking the piss imo.



Keeping the thread on track, from my perspective, I don't think u can go wrong with either car. The both seem pretty evenly matched in a straight line. I would say the car with the better driver will win on the day.

..and this is why these threads are lame. "both are good""depends on driver""personal preference" you have offered nothing ,no opinion at all ,why even post it . My opinion may not be popular or politically forum correct ,but at least it's an opinion !!Yes i admit it i prefer V8's :bow:

regards

[Ghosn]

i'm not having a cry ,i think im the only one who isn't actually :)I certainly don't mind discussing other cars but is this thread a discussion ? I like it but every 3rd thread is f6 vs this ,f6 vs that... There are heaps of long standing pro Ford members whose opinions are top notch and i read every word ,but unfortunately a fair few of these "f6 battles" members are stooges just taking the piss imo.




..and this is why these threads are lame. "both are good""depends on driver""personal preference" you have offered nothing ,no opinion at all ,why even post it . My opinion may not be popular or politically forum correct ,but at least it's an opinion !!Yes i admit it i prefer V8's :bow:

regards

Dude, go re-read your posts. First it's about the car, now it's about the thread, make up your mind or learn to be clear. I still stand by what I said.

This aint the most insightful thread but it doesn't help with ur unthought out comments.

And for you to say I haven't offered an opinion, at least mine was constuctive.

That's enough for me in this thread.

[F6Mauz]

Heres the slip from may last year. I removed the other lane to save any confusion.
Considering the best stock 60ft i got was a 1.81 it would of had a potential for a 12.5-12.6 run.
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Typhoon%20StockBarFilterRun.jpg

[Alex(AUS)]

I found that quicker 60 foot times dont always change the final outcome with the F6 (and others) ... I dont know why ... as you may have also experienced Mauz.

Do you mean you achieved the 1.81 with a stock tune in the auto box (no edit yet) but a much quicker tuned F6 (perhaps yours or someone elses - you seem to have driven many)? Or, was that your stock F6? If that was the case what was the ET of that run? It seems remarkable you can achieve this on stock rubber? 1.9 seems possible (just); 1.81 stock seems unbelievable. You know alot about F6s ... do you have any explaination as to why there have been no other 12.7s or 12.8s (even with a filter ...) appart from yours (I know you have driven many others)?

Thank you for your help,

Alex

[flappist]

I found that quicker 60 foot times dont always change the final outcome with the F6 (and others) ... I dont know why ... as you may have also experienced Mauz.

Do you mean you achieved the 1.81 with a stock tune in the auto box (no edit yet) but a much quicker tuned F6 (perhaps yours or someone elses - you seem to have driven many)? Or, was that your stock F6? If that was the case what was the ET of that run? It seems remarkable you can achieve this on stock rubber? 1.9 seems possible (just); 1.81 stock seems unbelievable. You know alot about F6s ... do you have any explaination as to why there have been no other 12.7s or 12.8s (even with a filter ...) appart from yours (I know you have driven many others)?

Thank you for your help,

Alex

FFS.....

You make Jehovas Witnesses look even handed and open minded.
I am sure if you were there and saw the car being driven from the factory to the track you would get out and measure the 400m, ask for the timer to be recalibrated, put a spirit level on the surface, look for giant magnets at the far end........

You may have very little grasp of physics, maths, chemistry, mechanics or comprehension of written english but you truly excel in the field of "large hammers, bridges and billygoats".

Give up while you are behind........

[Freaky]

FFS.....

You make Jehovas Witnesses look even handed and open minded.
I am sure if you were there and saw the car being driven from the factory to the track you would get out and measure the 400m, ask for the timer to be recalibrated, put a spirit level on the surface, look for giant magnets at the far end........

You may have very little grasp of physics, maths, chemistry, mechanics or comprehension of written english but you truly excel in the field of "large hammers, bridges and billygoats".

Give up while you are behind........

lol. ROFLMAO. hilarious. you have made my day with that one. :lmao:

[Vulture]

FFS.....

You make Jehovas Witnesses look even handed and open minded.
I am sure if you were there and saw the car being driven from the factory to the track you would get out and measure the 400m, ask for the timer to be recalibrated, put a spirit level on the surface, look for giant magnets at the far end........

You may have very little grasp of physics, maths, chemistry, mechanics or comprehension of written english but you truly excel in the field of "large hammers, bridges and billygoats".

Give up while you are behind........

Hang on, before you get all indignant; just how many other F6s are running high 12s completely out of the box?

[Alex(AUS)]

FFS.....

You make Jehovas Witnesses look even handed and open minded.
I am sure if you were there and saw the car being driven from the factory to the track you would get out and measure the 400m, ask for the timer to be recalibrated, put a spirit level on the surface, look for giant magnets at the far end........

You may have very little grasp of physics, maths, chemistry, mechanics or comprehension of written english but you truly excel in the field of "large hammers, bridges and billygoats".

Give up while you are behind........

Maite, I am the one who said that 12.9 was possible and something I have had experience with! I also said that the HSVs are slower in a straight line. I have also said that the F6 is a great car. I have always said that! ... What else do you want?

Unfortunately, I believe the VE HSV is better in EVERY other way (and that is what matters - we dont drag race cars 24/7). At the end of the day just think how long 1 or 2 tenths is ... imagine it ... THIS IS STUPID!!! ... and you cant live with that.

I mean this 12.7 has been repeated 1000 times!!! But it was 1 run ... there havent even been any 12.8s. The only person that really knows whether the car was stock is Mauz. I dont believe it ... I am sorry. Certainly, if it was a normal thing every one would do it. You wouldnt repeat this one run over and over again. But as Carl has said I have seen a fair share do 13.5s. I think it is equvalent to the 12.9 in the Motor mag in a stock VZ GTO ... I thought it was rubbish and thought nothing of it (AND YES IT WAS A HOLDEN AND I DID QUESTION IT) some people brought it up anyway ... but I can tell you ... it is nothing and I mean NOTHING like this 12.7 crap.

Based on Mauz's own claim, the 60 foot could have been better (to bring a 12.5) and your own claims that with better weather comes better times. Given a very cold Calder night (much colder than 6:30pm in MAY) we are talking 12.3 standard!!! ... OH MY GOD ... 12.3 from a standard F6 ... post it everywhere now and keep repeating it over and over again!!! Then someone will claim a "freak motor" (as has been going on on FF) and there you have it 11s stock.

If we believe Mauz that is was stock ... so why should we not believe the 1.8 60 foot or the possibility of a 12.5 or your claim that given it was a colder (say late winter) ... it could be a 12.3???

AFTER ALL, OH GREAT ONE, For you to claim others have no grasp of "physics, maths, chemistry, mechanics or comprehension of written english" you MUST be BETTER. RIGHT?... and just like a Jahova, you must be believed. FOR THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING AND WE ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE (HSV).

YOU ARE ON A HOLDEN FORUM PREACHING ABOUT A F6 .... WHO IS THE JAHOVA BUDDY? ME OR YOU?

I dont know what it is but SOME Ford people (and I mean those die-hards who look at nothing else and will always say everything else is rubbish no matter what) must have been burned pretty hard to clinch onto something so stupid and repeat it 1000 times. Was it the AU thing?

I go on both forums and contribute and praise both cars and I am looking forward to what Orion has to offer. I can remember a thread here where some guys showed their F6 and EVERYONE praised them for being great cars!!! This would NEVER happen on a Ford forum. But I dont care ... thats your problem and your loss ...

Alex

[F6Mauz]

I found that quicker 60 foot times dont always change the final outcome with the F6 (and others) ... I dont know why ... as you may have also experienced Mauz.

Do you mean you achieved the 1.81 with a stock tune in the auto box (no edit yet) but a much quicker tuned F6 (perhaps yours or someone elses - you seem to have driven many)? Or, was that your stock F6? If that was the case what was the ET of that run? It seems remarkable you can achieve this on stock rubber? 1.9 seems possible (just); 1.81 stock seems unbelievable. You know alot about F6s ... do you have any explaination as to why there have been no other 12.7s or 12.8s (even with a filter ...) appart from yours (I know you have driven many others)?

Thank you for your help,

Alex

The 1.81 60ft was when it had just the filter. The only way i can explain it is that i know how to get the best out of the auto compared to most people. I've had alot of practice. It's difficult to do the 2nd to 1st and have it launch without the computer killing the fun. It's a fine line and something i've been able to be good at. Once the car is modified a mid 1.9 is the best that can be had at most and sometimes a 1.88. Doesn't seem to want to get out of the hole as hard as standard. Who knows if it could have gone faster but it's a fine line trying to get the best launch and having the right weather. From what i remember it was a pretty cold night that friday.
In the end i don't care if people don't believe it was stock, Doesn't bother me. I know i did it and it's far from stock now anyway so i have no need to worry.

[flappist]

Gees some of you people go off without actually reading the thread.

The thread is F6 vs whatever.

Someone said that there was an instance of a F6 doing a particular ET stock.

Instead of saying "put up or shut up" several keyboard warriors babbled on about how this was IMPOSSIBLE and proceeded to demonstrate illogical reasioning to support their arguements.

I rebuked this logic and implied that if it had, in fact, happend then the protagonist should put up or shut up.

The warriors babbled on.

The protagonist actually displayed a timeslip. Either he is lying or he did in fact do as he said. Too many on this board actually go to Calder for him to lie and get away with it so I suspect that it actually happened.

The warriors STILL babbled on and in fact are stll doing it.

It does not matter what badge is on the car. If someone says they did something I usually give them the chance to back up their statement rather than immediatly attack them because it does not fit with my personal agenda.

If the protagonist had not been able to provide evidence then my position would be the same except that I would not beleive he had done it but still give another the same benefit.

Failure to look with an open mind and judge things by thier merits is childish and prejudicial. This is not a holden troll exclusive domain as their are just as many ford trolls about.

I have been a member of LS1 for many years and it has a history of fair mindedness as opposed to streetcommodores which is far more focused. I hope it remains that way.

[Alex(AUS)]

The 1.81 60ft was when it had just the filter. The only way i can explain it is that i know how to get the best out of the auto compared to most people. I've had alot of practice. It's difficult to do the 2nd to 1st and have it launch without the computer killing the fun. It's a fine line and something i've been able to be good at. Once the car is modified a mid 1.9 is the best that can be had at most and sometimes a 1.88. Doesn't seem to want to get out of the hole as hard as standard. Who knows if it could have gone faster but it's a fine line trying to get the best launch and having the right weather. From what i remember it was a pretty cold night that friday.
In the end i don't care if people don't believe it was stock, Doesn't bother me. I know i did it and it's far from stock now anyway so i have no need to worry.


Thank you for clarifying that ... I personally cant see 1.8 60 footers stock. From my experiences 12.9@109 - 2.0 was the absolute best .... I cant see how there was anymore than the 12.9; it was repeated 4-5 times with no improvement no matter what we tried (maybe with much better tyres). The previous example could not crack a 12. Perhaps it was the cars (or the pressures or ...) ... but you dont need me to believe you Mauz. Be happy with what you know ... and I will do the same ... I know you have stayed out of the 12.7 bit ... with most other people pushing it MUCH further ... good luck with what you are doing with the car ...

Alex

[jasper361]

My head hurts !

[BadMac]

Heres the slip from may last year. I removed the other lane to save any confusion.
Considering the best stock 60ft i got was a 1.81 it would of had a potential for a 12.5-12.6 run.


Dude your reaction time sucks!!!!! 1.836, My Granddad could beat you and he's been dead 9 years. My wife gave birth to our second child faster than that, hang your head in shame. Great time by the way, amazing how restrictive those F6 factory filters must be.












Note: for the humour deprived this response is taking the pi$$. I know all about stalling and waiting for the car to be ready and factory freak cars/ human freak drivers. The real trick is doing all that and nailing it on the green light, come on CSV_LS1 show us your real skills. Oh and how about a run down on the mods and $/ET (in another thread, maybe in the private section so it doesn't become a peni compare war).

[EfiJy]

Thank you for clarifying that ... I personally cant see 1.8 60 footers stock. From my experiences 12.9@109 - 2.0 was the absolute best .... I cant see how there was anymore than the 12.9; it was repeated 4-5 times with no improvement no matter what we tried (maybe with much better tyres). The previous example could not crack a 12. Perhaps it was the cars (or the pressures or ...) ... but you dont need me to believe you Mauz. Be happy with what you know ... and I will do the same ... I know you have stayed out of the 12.7 bit ... with most other people pushing it MUCH further ... good luck with what you are doing with the car ...

Alex

agree there is no way you gfet those times with stock tuyres on a cold nite. theres too much bs in this thred. over an out

[F6Mauz]

I will post a thread in the Rides section over the next few weeks. My setup is about to change so i will wait till i can chuck some pics up and will put a run down of whats done now and previously.

[Ghosn]

I will post a thread in the Rides section over the next few weeks. My setup is about to change so i will wait till i can chuck some pics up and will put a run down of whats done now and previously.

Can't wait :thumbsup:

[nirvana]

heres my 2c.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/nirvana_040/vtec.jpg

[VZKOOP]

VT GEN THWEE does it again. How many more pages of dribble before this thread get's closed?

[throttlehappy]

heres my 2c.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/nirvana_040/vtec.jpg

:rofl: jesus! thats to funny, dont forget mivec
i had a run in with a phoon at a roll in 2nd. i was infront but he was nipping at my heels!

[FatBoy]

Here's my take on the current argument...

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/110105/my-dad-can-beat.gif

[jasper361]

:rofl: jesus! thats to funny, dont forget mivec
i had a run in with a phoon at a roll in 2nd. i was infront but he was nipping at my heels!

Phoon driver obviously forgot to take the handbrake off :moon: :rofl:

[Freaky]

i had a run in with a phoon at a roll in 2nd. i was infront but he was nipping at my heels!

did he know he was racing

[ADSXR8]

I have raced my dead stock R8, and i mean spare and all, stock tyre pressures, maps, food products, as driven from the factory to 13.5 @ 104mph @ 42C air temp, and well over 50C track temps... No smoke n mirrors... There was another couple of tenths as i was only doing high 2.1 60ft, and have since done low 1.9, that makes 3 tenths, so 13.3 would have been the limit, maybe 13.1 with good air temps, but i have no actual timeslips, just what i can work out

Didn't you get beaten by a stock VE SS on the day.

[IH8FORDS]

Here's something to ponder.
Which would win this race, a 300rwkw f6 or a 300rwkw ve gts?
All mag comparison's are with stock cars, the gts with more power stock.
With enough money put in to each, they are both gunna kill the other stock.

Both are great cars, lets not keep this pointless argument going.
The original post was a pointless shit stir from some one with fcuk all knowlage of anything.

Enjoy your cars for what they are guys, Cheers, Luke

[GMH300]

just to add my lil bit i got a camed ss puting out close to 300rwkw i raced a 348rwkw xr6 turbo and was in front by about my front door all his stats where biger then mine but i still kepted in front the only big differance was i had 3.9 diff he had 3.4diff
just my lil imput
cheers jason

ps that was on the highway
down the track it beats me i run 13.1 he ran 12.8

[tuff304]

Here's something to ponder.
Which would win this race, a 300rwkw f6 or a 300rwkw ve gts?
All mag comparison's are with stock cars, the gts with more power stock.
With enough money put in to each, they are both gunna kill the other stock.

Both are great cars, lets not keep this pointless argument going.
The original post was a pointless shit stir from some one with fcuk all knowlage of anything.

Enjoy your cars for what they are guys, Cheers, Luke

i would guess the GTS because it puts the power down better, newer chassis etc, but it would probably only be a bees dick in front of the F6


just to add my lil bit i got a camed ss puting out close to 300rwkw i raced a 348rwkw xr6 turbo and was in front by about my front door all his stats where biger then mine but i still kepted in front the only big differance was i had 3.9 diff he had 3.4diff
just my lil imput
cheers jason

ps that was on the highway
down the track it beats me i run 13.1 he ran 12.8

what MPH did you run? if you claim your car has close to 300rwkw and you ran a 13.1 it doesnt add up unless you had a 2.5+ sec 60ft and 115+mph.
300rwkw with slicks and suspension should run 11's all day everyday

[CarlFST60L]

Didn't you get beaten by a stock VE SS on the day.

No, not at all...

SS had
CAI mod's
Lower tyre pressures
Spare tyre out


did he know he was racing

If you are serious, go give yourself an uppercut

:lol:

[jasper361]

I think it's time for a big group hug, and CLOSE this thread! geeeees.....

[ballbreaker]

i would guess the GTS because it puts the power down better, newer chassis etc, but it would probably only be a bees dick in front of the F6



what MPH did you run? if you claim your car has close to 300rwkw and you ran a 13.1 it doesnt add up unless you had a 2.5+ sec 60ft and 115+mph.
300rwkw with slicks and suspension should run 11's all day everyday

Yeh may be, put 275 rears on the phoon & it will all change. f6 with 245 what a joke,wake up ford.

[nang3]

Phoon driver obviously forgot to take the handbrake off :moon: :rofl:

haha nah he was enjoying his A/C


just to add my lil bit i got a camed ss puting out close to 300rwkw i raced a 348rwkw xr6 turbo and was in front by about my front door all his stats where biger then mine but i still kepted in front the only big differance was i had 3.9 diff he had 3.4diff
just my lil imput
cheers jason

ps that was on the highway
down the track it beats me i run 13.1 he ran 12.8

this post raises an interesting point apart from the importance of punctuation rofl kiddin..

judging by specs alone the 6T should have walked you fairly easily but in a real world situation where there are other factors they are all pretty close... it would only take you or him to get a fraction of a second jump and then you'd lead the whole time.. same for GTS vs F6 vs SS vs Gen3 etc..


Yeh may be, put 275 rears on the phoon & it will all change. f6 with 245 what a joke,wake up ford.

no shit hey, my 350z even had 245's and had 10 x the traction my phoon does!! 275's should be standard!

[ADSXR8]

No, not at all...

SS had
CAI mod's
Lower tyre pressures
Spare tyre out



Might aswell hijack the thread, its rubbish.

I remember reading the drag racing thread and the bloke in the SS was claiming its stock. He was wanting somebody in a stock F6 to turn up, put money down and race'em.

I'm a little bored, so I went and found part of it! Doesn't mention any mods of than tyre out!

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=68667

Post 12.

[CarlFST60L]

Might aswell hijack the thread, its rubbish.

I remember reading the drag racing thread and the bloke in the SS was claiming its stock. He was wanting somebody in a stock F6 to turn up, put money down and race'em.

I'm a little bored, so I went and found part of it! Doesn't mention any mods of than tyre out!

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=68667

Post 12.

Like anything mate, its a forum... When you actually at the track, its a diffrent world... SSEnforcer told me exactly what he had done while we were at the track... You gotta be happy with running sub 13.5 with only basic home grown mods though :cheers:

Please also remeber, i hadnt driven in 18months as i had lost my licence, so i was out of touch with launching a car... Now that im back in the swing, i can do 2.0 60ft on STANDARD tyre pressures every time ;)

[throttlehappy]

Phoon driver obviously forgot to take the handbrake off :moon: :rofl:

obviously i was quicker bitch :rofl:
i didnt flog him though thats for sure, so get over yourself and your sacred poon

[Freaky]

obviously i was quicker bitch :rofl:
i didnt flog him though thats for sure, so get over yourself and your sacred poon

like i asked earlier, did the phoon driver know he was racing :p

[throttlehappy]

like i asked earlier, did the phoon driver know he was racing :p

yeah. nuff said, even his godlike zf couldnt save him

[VYII_R8]

yeah. nuff said, even his godlike zf couldnt save him


Yeah he knew he was racing? Really? How did he know? Did you guys wind your windows down while driving and talk before going for it or what? :rofl:

There is a LOT of BS on this forum! haha

[CarlFST60L]

like i asked earlier, did the phoon driver know he was racing :p

Its crap comments like that thats stopped me from ever reading FF's

[Freaky]

Its crap comments like that thats stopped me from ever reading FF's

its not a comment, i was asking a legit question.

Theres alot of traffic light cowboys, who think they are racing. Reality is the person next doesnt even notice.

[jasper361]

Its crap comments like that thats stopped me from ever reading FF's

yeah, there is no crap on this forum either..

[solid]

Hi,

I have a VT GEN3, mafless tune, OTRCAI, 3.9 diff gears, 4-1 long headers, 2.5 inch twin system, opened up cats and a ported throttle body. Did my 230rwkw.

I went into ford to test drive a F6 Typhoon 6 speed manual to compare the difference. I found the F6 to be a little slack until 2500rpm, from there it built nice thrust, sounded like a good turbo should, had a great rush and pulled hard in second gear.

To be really honest, I felt like my Gen 3 had its measure in first gear, puls hard almost straight off idle, builds up a stonger head of steam up top, pulls about as hard in second gear.

I think with decent traction the gen 3 would beat it down the quarter in my current configuration state.

Standard the Typhoon would have its measure. A typhoon with a little extra boost, tune would really be a super super car. I thought in standard form it was almost what my VT GEN3 is after the mods.

Comments..

Damn, you are one shit stirring SOB :lol::lol::lol: Love your work :jester:

[throttlehappy]

Yeah he knew he was racing? Really? How did he know? Did you guys wind your windows down while driving and talk before going for it or what? :rofl:

There is a LOT of BS on this forum! haha

i guess he didnt, jesus!...maybe he was retarded like some of you lot
f*ck i could care less! im not trying to prove somthing...i havent even ran mine down the 1/4 remember
eat a d*ck basically

[CarlFST60L]

i guess he didnt, jesus!...maybe he was retarded like some of you lot
f*ck i could care less! im not trying to prove somthing...i havent even ran mine down the 1/4 remember
eat a d*ck basically

Mate, there is no question he was racing you, anyone that knows their ass from there head knows that if someone is 'keeping up' at all, they must be on it hard... its like they think that the almighty F6 will beat a mod'd LS1 at WOT without even tying :rofl: go back to FF girls

[nang3]

i guess he didnt, jesus!...maybe he was retarded like some of you lot
f*ck i could care less! im not trying to prove somthing...i havent even ran mine down the 1/4 remember
eat a d*ck basically

what mods have you got on your VX?? I dont remember seeing anything in this thread about what mods you have.. unless i was blind and missed it haha

[throttlehappy]

what mods have you got on your VX?? I dont remember seeing anything in this thread about what mods you have.. unless i was blind and missed it haha

its in my thread, but all the basics. paceys, high flows, cat back, rip shift, mcai, k&n, mafless tune (232 rwkw) etc etc...i just posted what had happened to me. whether or not you looked my mods up is up to you or anyone else but i dare say some people jumped the gun

[VYII_R8]

i guess he didnt, jesus!...maybe he was retarded like some of you lot
f*ck i could care less! im not trying to prove somthing...i havent even ran mine down the 1/4 remember
eat a d*ck basically

:bawl:

Aww are you feeling a little down throttlehappy? hahahahahaha :rofl:

[throttlehappy]

:bawl:

Aww are you feeling a little down throttlehappy? hahahahahaha :rofl:

not at all. i just cant be f*cked with your shit

[VYII_R8]

Mate, there is no question he was racing you, ...

Oh, I didn't know you were there to speak to both parties and check?

I know you are a respected member of ls1.com.au and all - and I have enjoyed reading many of your posts... but there is no way on god's green earth that you (or anyone else) could be SURE the guy in the F6 was going for it or not unless you asked him.

Cheers.


not at all. i just cant be f*cked with your shit

Grow up mate. As it has been mentioned many many many many many times over, it's a forum, it's full of opinions - and BS too!

PS. if you can't be f*cked with my shit, then why bother replying? ;)

[throttlehappy]

Oh, I didn't know you were there to speak to both parties and check?

I know you are a respected member of ls1.com.au and all - and I have enjoyed reading many of your posts... but there is no way on god's green earth that you (or anyone else) could be SURE the guy in the F6 was going for it or not unless you asked him.

Cheers.



Grow up mate. As it has been mentioned many many many many many times over, it's a forum, it's full of opinions - and BS too!

PS. if you can't be f*cked with my shit, then why bother replying? ;)

clearly your the one that needs to grow up. i dont say somthing unless i mean it, if you didnt know that well now you do. simple as that really. take it which ever way you want.

[RED R8]

I love how the F6 Vs Gen3 threads end up...I used to bite as well as I am a Holden V8 lover but the F6 is a bloody good package the best way to get around all the shit slinging is put a nice chunky cam in your LS1 with a nice twin 3" and beleive me you just won't care anymore the sound is matched by nothing it is capable of low 12's on street tyres (last time I went to the drags a brand new black GT3 porsche ran 12.9's all night full roll cage and stripped) and F6 owners comment and secretly tingle at how nice a cammed V8 can sound.

you can't race each other on the streets anymore anyway so agree to disagree we all love different cars in different ways for different reasons.

I have seen F6's and ls1's both run 10's,11's,12's,13's,and 14's the only difference is the amount spent on each one.

Enjoy what you have we all win because Holden or Ford lovers have the choice of cars that rival some of the best in the world for alot less.

GROUP HUG:):)

[wablacksv8]

Thought I had accidently been linked to a Ford forum.

:confused:

[throttlehappy]

I love how the F6 Vs Gen3 threads end up...I used to bite as well as I am a Holden V8 lover but the F6 is a bloody good package the best way to get around all the shit slinging is put a nice chunky cam in your LS1 with a nice twin 3" and beleive me you just won't care anymore the sound is matched by nothing it is capable of low 12's on street tyres (last time I went to the drags a brand new black GT3 porsche ran 12.9's all night full roll cage and stripped) and F6 owners comment and secretly tingle at how nice a cammed V8 can sound.

you can't race each other on the streets anymore anyway so agree to disagree we all love different cars in different ways for different reasons.

I have seen F6's and ls1's both run 10's,11's,12's,13's,and 14's the only difference is the amount spent on each one.

Enjoy what you have we all win because Holden or Ford lovers have the choice of cars that rival some of the best in the world for alot less.

GROUP HUG:):)

i know there good, hence i mentioned it was nipping at my heels! and it was

[DuffMan]

I love how the F6 Vs Gen3 threads end up...I used to bite as well as I am a Holden V8 lover but the F6 is a bloody good package the best way to get around all the shit slinging is put a nice chunky cam in your LS1 with a nice twin 3" and beleive me you just won't care anymore the sound is matched by nothing it is capable of low 12's on street tyres (last time I went to the drags a brand new black GT3 porsche ran 12.9's all night full roll cage and stripped) and F6 owners comment and secretly tingle at how nice a cammed V8 can sound.

you can't race each other on the streets anymore anyway so agree to disagree we all love different cars in different ways for different reasons.

I have seen F6's and ls1's both run 10's,11's,12's,13's,and 14's the only difference is the amount spent on each one.

Enjoy what you have we all win because Holden or Ford lovers have the choice of cars that rival some of the best in the world for alot less.

GROUP HUG:):)

Well said! love the group hug idea :lmao:
somehow, i don't see it happening!

[RED R8]

i know there good, hence i mentioned it was nipping at my heels! and it was

Tell Daz whats making you all fired up..

[GMH300]

tuff304 (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/member.php?u=6554) http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif vbmenu_register("postmenu_940346", true);
what MPH did you run? if you claim your car has close to 300rwkw and you ran a 13.1 it doesnt add up unless you had a 2.5+ sec 60ft and 115+mph.
300rwkw with slicks and suspension should run 11's all day everyday

i was running street tyers just riding the clutch of the line with a 2.3 60 foot and a 13.1 at 111mph

[Alex(AUS)]

Mate, there is no question he was racing you, anyone that knows their ass from there head knows that if someone is 'keeping up' at all, they must be on it hard... its like they think that the almighty F6 will beat a mod'd LS1 at WOT without even tying :rofl: go back to FF girls

Sorry to the others but I have to agree with Carl ... even though the F6 is no slouch ... you arent keeping up with 230rwkw without knowing about it and just casually driving. It would take 100% of a stock F6 to be just behind, same or just in front ...

Alex

[GMH300]

end of the day if i had a F6 and a ss was keepin up with the price differance in the cars i would be pissed that the ss could keep up
just shows the lil old push rod motor still is well up there wif the overhead camed motors and the coast to get the same power out of a ls1 is half that of a ford so even if one beats me i know he mush of spent a shit load to do it

ps up the queenslanders for the win

[Ghosn]

end of the day if i had a F6 and a ss was keepin up with the price differance in the cars i would be pissed that the ss could keep up
just shows the lil old push rod motor still is well up there wif the overhead camed motors and the coast to get the same power out of a ls1 is half that of a ford so even if one beats me i know he mush of spent a shit load to do it

ps up the queenslanders for the win

A stock SS will lose to a stock F6.

[GMH300]

A stock SS will lose to a stock F6.
yeah they do but iv still seen them keep up

[Alex(AUS)]

the coast to get the same power out of a ls1 is half that of a ford so even if one beats me i know he mush of spent a shit load to do it

Oh shit here we go ...

<Alex batons down the LS1 wall for the immanent pro Ford wave>

[GMH300]

Oh shit here we go ...

<Alex batons down the LS1 wall for the immanent pro Ford wave>

haha just good old ford v holden talk like qld v nsw all harmless fun no one needs to get all angry about it haha with out ford we would have no one to compair to hahah ooo thats got to ster the imports haha:smilesandbanana:

[nang3]

Oh shit here we go ...

<Alex batons down the LS1 wall for the immanent pro Ford wave>

nah a simple ROFL will suffice at the comment you are referring to haha

[Alex(AUS)]

haha just good old ford v holden talk like qld v nsw all harmless fun no one needs to get all angry about it haha with out ford we would have no one to compair to hahah ooo thats got to ster the imports haha:smilesandbanana:

You just stay down behind the wall ... I will try and hold them off with some semi-baked theories ... this is how Prince Harry would have felt like in Iraq ... it is good we are on the LS1 side of the internet fence ...

You really did make it hard though ... you do realise they are F/I cars with the ability to increase their boost profile with only an edit???

But anyway ... in the interests of making this thread record length ....

Tuna claimed a 111mph pass from a tune and cai HSV R8 ... now, Tuna is offering a custom 12 second tune for approx $640 (from memory) ... doesnt that make it cheaper to get to 111mph (and the times that go with it) than the F6 (the F6 requiring the CAPA box (~$900) + custom tune costs)?

We are bound to loose this argument past this but I am thinking ...

Alex

[nang3]

its in my thread, but all the basics. paceys, high flows, cat back, rip shift, mcai, k&n, mafless tune (232 rwkw) etc etc...i just posted what had happened to me. whether or not you looked my mods up is up to you or anyone else but i dare say some people jumped the gun

haha yeh i think some did jump the gun... with all those mods i have no doubt you would have beaten the phoon assuming the phoon was stock..

[CarlFST60L]

But anyway ... in the interests of making this thread record length ....

We are bound to loose this argument past this but I am thinking ...

Alex

Will you stfu, stop feeding this thread :lol:

Lets all have a big group hug, i love F6's, i actually wanted one over my VY, but the wife is a one eyed holden supporter :hide:

[Danv8]

Will you stfu, stop feeding this thread :lol:

Lets all have a big group hug, i love F6's, i actually wanted one over my VY, but the wife is a one eyed holden supporter :hide:

Lucky for you I had to pay my mrs to become one. ;)

[Freaky]

Lets all have a big group hug, i love F6's, i actually wanted one over my VY, but the wife is a one eyed holden supporter :hide:

You should have gone with the F6, why did you choose a car that came 18th in PCOTY, and is as safe as a 5 year old falcon :stick:

BTW. I am just kidding incase you take any offence. I have been throwing the bait throughout this thread and you have been biting back pretty good. I wish I had the same luck fishing. lol.

This thread has been great entertainment.

[CarlFST60L]

You should have gone with the F6, why did you choose a car that came 18th in PCOTY, and is as safe as a 5 year old falcon :stick:

BTW. I am just kidding incase you take any offence. I have been throwing the bait throughout this thread and you have been biting back pretty good. I wish I had the same luck fishing. lol.

This thread has been great entertainment.

Ay, settle down, i said VY, not my E Series, the E Series is a far better car in every way imho :)

The VE platform is a totally diffrent league to the BA platform, its fact, you would have to be VERY one eye'd to think otherwise... Your move :stick:

[Freaky]

Ay, settle down, i said VY, not my E Series, the E Series is a far better car in every way imho :)

The VE platform is a totally diffrent league to the BA platform, its fact, you would have to be VERY one eye'd to think otherwise... Your move :stick:

I agree, the VE platform is ahead. And it should be ! I am not that one eyed.

However, its a testament to how good the BA platform is/was, as it has done very well in reviews against the VE, only falling slightly short in most of them I have read thus far.

[nang3]

You just stay down behind the wall ... I will try and hold them off with some semi-baked theories ... this is how Prince Harry would have felt like in Iraq ... it is good we are on the LS1 side of the internet fence ...

You really did make it hard though ... you do realise they are F/I cars with the ability to increase their boost profile with only an edit???

But anyway ... in the interests of making this thread record length ....

Tuna claimed a 111mph pass from a tune and cai HSV R8 ... now, Tuna is offering a custom 12 second tune for approx $640 (from memory) ... doesnt that make it cheaper to get to 111mph (and the times that go with it) than the F6 (the F6 requiring the CAPA box (~$900) + custom tune costs)?

We are bound to loose this argument past this but I am thinking ...

Alex

Prince Harry in Iraq?? who are you kidding, he would have been so far from anything resembling middle eastern suicide bombers that there'd be polar bears around!!!

i thought the 12 second package was about $2600??? if not then $640 is daaaaayam cheap !!!!!! F6 Capa box is around $690 nowadays from some places with generic tunes which SOMETIMES can give some great results

[Alex(AUS)]

You should have gone with the F6, why did you choose a car that came 18th in PCOTY, and is as safe as a 5 year old falcon :stick:

If you read the PCOTY thing properly you will see that the HSV ended top 10. The whole thing was stuffed up pretty bad. The writeup and figures make no sense and do not correlate. There are several problems (logical - not hypothetical) that exist but I cant be bothered going into them ... read it carefully and you will see.


Prince Harry in Iraq?? who are you kidding, he would have been so far from anything resembling middle eastern suicide bombers that there'd be polar bears around!!! :D


i thought the 12 second package was about $2600??? if not then $640 is daaaaayam cheap !!!!!! F6 Capa box is around $690 nowadays from some places with generic tunes which SOMETIMES can give some great results

Link here; http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76121

A generic tune is like rolling the dice with your car ... come on ... come on give me a 12, give me a 12 ... dahm ... 14 and broken piston ring ... one more roll ... please one more roll. :D

And then there are all those people (on both sides of the camp) that get their cars tuned and go backwards ... just a few weeks ago I met a guy at Calder who had 300rwkw in a BA F6 and was getting consistant 13.6s - slower than a stock BF.

Alex

[Freaky]

If you read the PCOTY thing properly you will see that the HSV ended top 10. The whole thing was stuffed up pretty bad. The writeup and figures make no sense and do not correlate. There are several problems (logical - not hypothetical) that exist but I cant be bothered going into them ... read it carefully and you will see.

lol. i must have read a different magazine.. :confused:

anyhow, i recall they didnt like the handling, even though it was quick.

[RED R8]

lol. i must have read a different magazine.. :confused:

anyhow, i recall they didnt like the handling, even though it was quick.

You may have read it with your one ford eye.:)

[Freaky]

You may have read it with your one ford eye.:)

i actually read it in my VY Berlina when waiting to pick up the missus. :)

[Alex(AUS)]

lol. i must have read a different magazine.. :confused:

anyhow, i recall they didnt like the handling, even though it was quick.

It was dahm quick ... even with the "crap" auto it was only 8 tenths away from the RS4 (more powerful, 4wd, lighter, smaller, manual, much more expensive... winner) ...

Ok, I will give you something to look at (if you have the mag) ... have a look at the last round (where only the top 10 made it) ... look at the cars in the pictures at the mountain and in the discussion ... the GTS clearly made the top 10 in their own words.

That is only 1 of several logical problems.

Alex

[Freaky]

It was dahm quick ... even with the "crap" auto it was only 8 tenths away from the RS4 (more powerful, 4wd, lighter, smaller, manual, much more expensive... winner) ...

Ok, I will give you something to look at (if you have the mag) ... have a look at the last round (where only the top 10 made it) ... look at the cars in the pictures at the mountain and in the discussion ... the GTS clearly made the top 10 in their own words.

That is only 1 of several logical problems.

Alex

lol. take it easy. no need to get defensive. the line i threw to Carl was a joke, i clearly stated it was a joke. Im not after an explanation on PCOTY.

some of you guys take the bait. i wish this site was a fishing pond.

[Alex(AUS)]

lol. take it easy. no need to get defensive. the line i threw to Carl was a joke, i clearly stated it was a joke.

some of you guys take the bait. i wish this site was a fishing pond.

No not at all ... I am just stuffing around ... no offense taken ... dont stress ... just a casual chat. If we keep it this way ... lighthearted ... it would be much better and much more constructive ... if you read my previous posts about stretching this thread to record levels, my semi-baked ideas, and defensive walls ... you will know I am just stuffing about ...

Alex

[RED R8]

some of you guys take the bait. i wish this site was a fishing pond.

If it was you would be well over your bag limit.

[Freaky]

No not at all ... I am just stuffing around ... no offense taken ... dont stress ... just a casual chat. If we keep it this way ... lighthearted ... it would be much better and much more constructive ... if you read my previous posts about stretching this thread to record levels, my semi-baked ideas, and defensive walls ... you will know I am just stuffing about ...

Alex

Good to hear. I can assure you I ain't stressing.. It amazes me how people get so upset over afew 10ths of a second and other irrelevant things.

Personally i couldnt care less which car is quicker. My car has never seen a track and never will. I don't care how it runs down the quarter.

I also don't plan on modding either as I lease my cars so change every few years.

All I know is, I enjoy driving it. I enjoy looking at it. It's reliable and safe, and goes pretty good for a stocker.

:cheers:


If it was you would be well over your bag limit.


what can i say.... i like fish.

[CarlFST60L]

what can i say.... i like fish.

Speaking of fish, i have a spot of terrigal that i can garentee the bag limit of kingys, all i need is some jigging gear and a someone to help pay the fuel bill

[payaya]

It was dahm quick ... even with the "crap" auto it was only 8 tenths away from the RS4 (more powerful, 4wd, lighter, smaller, manual, much more expensive... winner) ...

Ok, I will give you something to look at (if you have the mag) ... have a look at the last round (where only the top 10 made it) ... look at the cars in the pictures at the mountain and in the discussion ... the GTS clearly made the top 10 in their own words.

That is only 1 of several logical problems.

Alex

4.2L V 6L maybe??????????


It was dahm quick ... even with the "crap" auto it was only 8 tenths away from the RS4 (more powerful, 4wd, lighter, smaller, manual, much more expensive... winner) ...

Ok, I will give you something to look at (if you have the mag) ... have a look at the last round (where only the top 10 made it) ... look at the cars in the pictures at the mountain and in the discussion ... the GTS clearly made the top 10 in their own words.

That is only 1 of several logical problems.

Alex

The HSV in the whole article was know thought as "under performing". There was a reason why it made the mountain and it was not because it made the top 10.

Read article on page 32 April 07 in Motor. Review Clubsport R8

"This is the car we should have been given for PCOTY. It fair to say that HSV's new fire breathing 307KW E-Series GTS complete with cutting edge Magnetic Ride Control suspension technology and an all new six speed automatic didnt quite send pulses racing at last years big event ranking 18th out of the 20 finalist"

So it did come 18th!

[throttlehappy]

i love poon :lol:

[Alex(AUS)]

4.2L V 6L maybe??????????



The HSV in the whole article was know thought as "under performing". There was a reason why it made the mountain and it was not because it made the top 10.

Read article on page 32 April 07 in Motor. Review Clubsport R8

"This is the car we should have been given for PCOTY. It fair to say that HSV's new fire breathing 307KW E-Series GTS complete with cutting edge Magnetic Ride Control suspension technology and an all new six speed automatic didnt quite send pulses racing at last years big event ranking 18th out of the 20 finalist"

So it did come 18th!

You are right about the 4.2 V 6L ... there is no doubt that the 4.2 is a cracking engine (it is more powerful than the GTS even with its 4.2L)... but all things considered (outlined in my post) ... if it was a manual (like the RS4) you may have seen the GTS in front of the winner at the track ... the new HSV setup is a cracker ... you have to remember that the HSV also accelerated slower than the RS4 in a straight line! It made up everything and more in sheer handling prowess (and that is exactly what it was compared to the RS4) ... just think about how good this full size family sedan is to do that. I dont know how you can call that "under performing" ... what more can you ask?

You are also right about the articles that followed the PCOTY ... there is no doubt that they have always called it 18th.

Can you do me a favour then? Go to the original article ... read it (don’t look at anything else) and just list the top 10 (from the discussion) ... now look at the cars in the photos and list them ... then list the actual top ten for us please? And we can compare ... then I can tell you some other interesting things ...

It is up to you ... you can believe what you want to ... or you can try to find out more ...

Alex

[CarlFST60L]

You are right about the 4.2 V 6L ... there is no doubt that the 4.2 is a cracking engine (it is more powerful than the GTS even with its 4.2L)... but all things considered (outlined in my post) ... if it was a manual (like the RS4) you may have seen the GTS in front of the winner at the track ... the new HSV setup is a cracker ... you have to remember that the HSV also accelerated slower than the RS4 in a straight line! It made up everything and more in sheer handling prowess (and that is exactly what it was compared to the RS4) ... just think about how good this full size family sedan is to do that. I dont know how you can call that "under performing" ... what more can you ask?

You are also right about the articles that followed the PCOTY ... there is no doubt that they have always called it 18th.

Can you do me a favour then? Go to the original article ... read it (don’t look at anything else) and just list the top 10 (from the discussion) ... now look at the cars in the photos and list them ... then list the actual top ten for us please? And we can compare ... then I can tell you some other interesting things ...

It is up to you ... you can believe what you want to ... or you can try to find out more ...

Alex


I was very confused when reading that issue, and its the last issue of motor i bought...

[cashie]

Why hasn't the OP of this thread been back???
These two threads stink of a troll... :soap:

[OUTAtheBloo]

I cant believe this thread is still going, i refuse to read the body of it !

Dan

PS is it any good ? should i bother :D

[nirvana]

I cant believe this thread is still going, i refuse to read the body of it !

Dan

PS is it any good ? should i bother :D

this thread is awesome dan.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/nirvana_040/047b82a27d418d16e2a1fd75fa7632b0.jpg

[michaels1v8]

I cant believe this thread is still going, i refuse to read the body of it !

Dan

PS is it any good ? should i bother :D

definately :thumbsup:

you enjoy reading mindless dribble about subjects which you couldnt care less about?

You dont????:confused: What are you doing on this site then:1peek:

[RED R8]

definately :thumbsup:

you enjoy reading mindless dribble about subjects which you couldnt care less about?

You dont????:confused: What are you doing on this site then:1peek:

C'mon off to bed mate..:bawl:

[michaels1v8]

C'mon off to bed mate..:bawl:

With you? :errr:

[RED R8]

With you? :errr:

Thats actually funny...


but errrrr no thanks ,thanks for the offer though.