First ride of a big bike ('07 gsxr1000)

[bambam]

I was browsing through motorcycle shops today and looking at a new '07 gsxr1000 and drooling. Salesman there was awesome and told me heaps about it and gave me plenty of advice. Told him i was still on restrictions for a while yet but was getting the bug to get a bigger bike anyway.

Then he said it......."why dont you take it for a test ride?"

I said i cant as still restricted. Ah, dont worry bout that mate, well get you out there and see what you think of it.

Me...GULP.....ok...........

Never in my wildest dreams had i imagined it would ride like it did. Smooth, controlled, stable but still flickable. The power? FARK ME!!!

I barely got the thing over the 10k mark on the tacho but this thing FLEW!!! sitting at 60km in 6th and wind the throttle on and no hesitation, it just screams! That was in 6th gear!!! It took me about 15 minutes to start feeling comfortable on it, as in my riding position and feel for the gearbox, clutch, brakes etc. but after that, i felt right at home. Powerwise it is scary! I cant imagine ever ever pushing this bike to its limits on the road. Track maybe, but not the road.

When i got back, the guys says, that was on the wet ecu setting so only putting out around 80% of what its capable of. FARK again!! (how true this is i dont know?)

Im sold. Salesman did his job. He knew that i wasnt buying today, i made that clear before the ride, but i can guarantee, when i go to purchase a new bike in the next month or 2, he has the sale in the bag!

Basically what im saying is GET A LITRE BIKE!!! ITS FARKING AWESOME!!!! IVe still got adrenalin shakes right now. Sad thing is, i had to then get back on my hyosung to get home. Ive only ever ridden the hyo and now the gixxer. Makes you realise just how poorly put together the hyo is. I always thought it was ok. And i guess it is for the money.

Awesome day!!! Glad i pulled a sickie!!

[ACT_Cross8]

Glad for the shop you didn't wrap yourself around anything.

[bambam]

Yeah I said to the guy that i wasnt off restrictions but he said they do test rides all the time for guys in my position. I didnt in any way ask for the ride, he offered and at first i said no but then i came to my senses!

Luckily i have common sense and self control. Well, apart from riding a restricted bike on my restrictions. Apparently a lot of people do it.

[Bigmaxy]

I cant imagine ever ever pushing this bike to its limits on the road. Track maybe, but not the road.


I'm not sure that most mere mortals would find the limits even on the track. :bow:

[seedyrom]

You should do what everyone else does now!
Go and buy it from the shop down the road that beats his price by a dollar! :D

Nah, but seriously, sounds good.
I know too much about my own coordination to stay away from those things.
But I do love the big bikes (from a distance) all the same

[bambam]

You should do what everyone else does now!
Go and buy it from the shop down the road that beats his price by a dollar! :D




Nah, im in sales myself and down right loath people like that. Happens all the time. By all means, if joe blo down the road is doing it $1k or more cheaper then by all means but good service means alot to me. He put in the time and effort when he didnt have to (as i told him i wasnt ready right now) and he will get the sale when the time comes. Top bloke.

[Nawdy]

It's a big step up - doing something like a HART course could be just the ticket to help you enjoy the Gixxer, and stay alive. And don't forget to update your gear at the same time!

I believe the new Gixxer has 3 maps available at the flick of a switch - from around 60% power through to yee-ha!!! Makes a lot of sense to me....

[bambam]

Yeah apparently it was in "wet" mode. Least power.

Time to call the bank me thinks!

[Road Warrior]

Basically what im saying is GET A LITRE BIKE!!! ITS FARKING AWESOME!!!!


Any of the current gen 600SS bikes with a good rider will cane the ass off a litrebike on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider.

[Vulture]

Any of the current gen 600SS bikes with a good rider will cane the ass off a litrebike on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider.

True and most non-race style bikes (eg a Kawasaki Z1000 or a Ducati Monster or BMW K1200R etc) will flog the litre sportsbike on typical Australian twisty roads due to more compliant suspension and easier riding position. I've seen it time and time again.

[Gteeez]

Glad to hear you loved it Bam Bam, nothing quite like the feeling of hanging on for dear life as you accelerate in 5 gear. If you do go the big boy, have a look at the Australian Super Bike school at Philip Island. HART is good, but with Superbike School you'll learn how to get the most out of your new toy on the track...Where it should be.

Agree with Road Warrior, 600's hose the litre bikes in the hands of an average rider with little or no track experience. Have a ride of one before you sell the home for the thou. The GSX-r 1000 and 600 share pretty much the same dimensions, but on the 600 you can actually use the power through corners without fear of being kicked off as easily and it will still do 0 to 100 around the 3 second mark. Good luck what ever you decide on, I'm still saving for my next one.

[[J]]

Any of the current gen 600SS bikes with a good rider will cane the ass off a litrebike on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider.

Says the man with a 600..

LOL, j/k, you would own me on any bike no doubt :)

Sparky

[SteveK]

Ah yes, a mate of mine bought this exact bike a month or so ago. He loves it but still wants more power. He's a loon. Already come off his older bike and did a collar bone yet still wants more. Granted, he's a stick and the bike wouldn't even know he was on it.

Some pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nifmus/tags/gsxr1000/)

Cheers,
Steve

[HDVZMonaro]

Any of the current gen 600SS bikes with a good rider will cane the ass off a litrebike on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider.

And any good rider on a litrebike will cane the ass off a 600 on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider as well.

[Curtis-R]

Ah yes, a mate of mine bought this exact bike a month or so ago. He loves it but still wants more power. He's a loon. Already come off his older bike and did a collar bone yet still wants more. Granted, he's a stick and the bike wouldn't even know he was on it.

Some pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nifmus/tags/gsxr1000/)

Cheers,
Steve

Good to see your still alive and kicking Steve ;)

You will find jumping on pretty much any of the new litre sports bikes will be an awsome experience. They are so deceptive with speed and after a while on the road sometimes u get frustrated because of those things we call speed limits ;)

[Road Warrior]

on the 600 you can actually use the power through corners without fear of being kicked off as easily and it will still do 0 to 100 around the 3 second mark.

That said, the power delivery of a 1000 is a lot more progressive and linear than the instant 'WHACK!' of one of the current gen 600's...just that with a litrebike there is more ponies :)

[CarlFST60L]

Can someone educate me, i would have thought a GSXR1000 would eat a 600CC bike around, say, Eastern Creek??

I had a rap on a CBR900RR, my jaw was buggered after just 10 minutes :lol:

[Gteeez]

Depends solely on the rider as to whether the 600 will eat the 1000. Put Mick Doohan on both bikes, and the 1000 will win, maybe. A newish 250 stroker riden by a competant rider with substantial track experience will absolutley smoke a 1000 riden by someone without. Same person on both bikes, the 250 will probably still be close, depending how good the rider is.
How good you are on the track depends on how well you hold corner speed and how quickly you can get back on throttle on exit. It's much easier to do this on smaller bikes, therefore generally speaking for the majority of every day riders, a smaller bike is easier to ride faster around the track.....Generally speaking.
If you know your 1000 and have a lot of experience(farking good rider) on it, then yeah, it will usually be faster.

[paul05]

That said, the power delivery of a 1000 is a lot more progressive and linear than the instant 'WHACK!' of one of the current gen 600's...just that with a litrebike there is more ponies :)


the power delivery from my 03 r1 eats modern 600's all through the rev range.
all said try all the big bikes you will find one to suit your style of riding.
i'm a ex gixxer owner and ride a mates o6 gsxr regular and they are the best 1000,750's on the road.my r1 does 2.8 seconds to 100 and can get you in trouble quickly ,so a 750 is a good compromise with good power and ridabilty.
have fun bam bam.:)

[Bigmaxy]

Someone will probably come on and provide a better answer but until then..

The 1000's have more power, quite a lot and more weight, not much more though.
Trouble is you are rarely on 100% throttle anyway so the power is not of that much benefit anyway. The 1000's will have a higher top speed down the straight but will have to brake harder to make the corner as they can't carry the corner speed of the 600's, due to the lower weight.
Also due to the more friendly power levels of the 600 you are better able to wind the throttle on while still cornering. On the 1000 you will need extra skill and will generally be feathering the throttle.

I seem to remeber a few years ago one of the magazines did masterbike or something, the 600's/750's were generally faster around the track than the 1000's even with skilled riders. (details vague, too many beers for friday drinks)

Still it sounds better telling peeps you ride a 1000 than a 600. Did for me anyway when I upgraded.

[Smitty]

Basically what im saying is GET A LITRE BIKE!!! ITS FARKING AWESOME!!!! IVe still got adrenalin shakes right now. Sad thing is, i had to then get back on my hyosung to get home. Ive only ever ridden the hyo and now the gixxer. Makes you realise just how poorly put together the hyo is. I always thought it was ok. And i guess it is for the money.

Awesome day!!! Glad i pulled a sickie!!

I ride an unrestricted ZX12R
..and now you know why...:bow:


cheers

[bambam]

At the moment im seriously trying to decide between the gsxr750 or the thou.

A few people have said the 750 is much more agile and almost as quick. Add to that, its noticably lighter. But....I also hear of alot of people saying that they upgraded to a 600 or a 750 and then wanted more and had to sell, refinance and buy a new bike all over again. Something that I would like to avoid. I dunno, that just floats in the back of my mind.

The 750 is cheaper, apparently a little more tame as a first upgrade from a 250 and supposedly as quick.

But the little voice in the back of my head says LITRE LITRE LITRE LITRE!!!

Given it would be pretty much a daily ride (as in pretty much every dry day and days that arent as cold as it is at the moment!) what would you guys think would be the better option? The weight of the thou doesnt bother me, couldnt care less about fuel consumption and i do definately intend on doing some track days. The sales guy actually said he thinks the 750 would be better as a daily ride. But i like the thought of cruising around on the thou in 5th or 6th and jsut being able to twist the wrist and go.

Ahhhhh, dilemas!!

[A^K^T]

When you get your open licence go out for a ride on all of them and try to pick the one you like , when i was trying to decide i went out for a ride on the VTR1000 and CBR900 . Price difference wasn't a deciding factor as was engine capacity , i just liked the way the 900 was to ride .

Oh and as Nawdy suggested , some rider training and a couple of track days wouldn’t go astray . Have been to a couple of cornering and braking courses myself .

[michaels1v8]

I ride an unrestricted ZX12R
..and now you know why...:bow:


cheers

Nice bike Smitty. Hopefully one day I will be on one of those big boys too! Always had a soft spot for the Ninjas and in a year or so I might get myself a nice 250 ninja 2 stroke to putt around on...


Oh and nice car too :thumbsup:


BAMBAM go the litre! The power might not all be usable but who cares. Go straight to the top so that there is no where to upgrade. Give your wallet a break for a few years that way

But get some serious training to go with it too

[pirate]

True and most non-race style bikes (eg a Kawasaki Z1000 or a Ducati Monster or BMW K1200R etc) will flog the litre sportsbike on typical Australian twisty roads due to more compliant suspension and easier riding position. I've seen it time and time again.

I disagree.


At the moment im seriously trying to decide between the gsxr750 or the thou.

A few people have said the 750 is much more agile and almost as quick. Add to that, its noticably lighter. But....I also hear of alot of people saying that they upgraded to a 600 or a 750 and then wanted more and had to sell, refinance and buy a new bike all over again. Something that I would like to avoid. I dunno, that just floats in the back of my mind.

The 750 is cheaper, apparently a little more tame as a first upgrade from a 250 and supposedly as quick.

If you buy the 750 you will have some chnage left over to put a full yoshi system and filters and open it up a bit with a nice growl.

But the little voice in the back of my head says LITRE LITRE LITRE LITRE!!!

Given it would be pretty much a daily ride (as in pretty much every dry day and days that arent as cold as it is at the moment!) what would you guys think would be the better option? The weight of the thou doesnt bother me, couldnt care less about fuel consumption and i do definately intend on doing some track days. The sales guy actually said he thinks the 750 would be better as a daily ride. But i like the thought of cruising around on the thou in 5th or 6th and jsut being able to twist the wrist and go.

Ahhhhh, dilemas!!

Give the 750 a test ride aswell. You will find that you can still pull away pretty hard in 5th and 6th anyway. If you are doing plenty of track days then you would get to use the the 1000 to it's full potential everyday riding you won't. But having the 1000 does give you some bragging rights down at the pub.

If you buy the 750 you will have some chnage left over to put a full yoshi system and filters and open it up a bit with a nice growl.

[paul05]

I disagree.



Give the 750 a test ride aswell. You will find that you can still pull away pretty hard in 5th and 6th anyway. If you are doing plenty of track days then you would get to use the the 1000 to it's full potential everyday riding you won't. But having the 1000 does give you some bragging rights down at the pub.

If you buy the 750 you will have some change left over to put a full yoshi system and filters and open it up a bit with a nice growl.

i think from memory in 2001 or 2 the gixxer 750 was lighter and nearly as powerful as the 1000 gixxers and co,i think also the gixxer 750 is the only 750 except from the exotics like mv agusta.when the bike mags do comparisons on thou bikes they include the gsxr 750 .i loved my gixxer 750 but it was time to upgrade.

[bambam]

How would a 2002-3 MV F4 750 stack up against the current gixxer 750?

[Malcolmsp]

True and most non-race style bikes (eg a Kawasaki Z1000 or a Ducati Monster or BMW K1200R etc) will flog the litre sportsbike on typical Australian twisty roads due to more compliant suspension and easier riding position. I've seen it time and time again.

An interesting observation Vulture but all is not always as it appears...

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/surly34/webmonster.jpg

My lil monster S4RS packs a 998 Testastretta motor (130ish fat rwhp) full ohlins suspension, monobloc radial mount brembos, lightweight wheels, etc etc

It also cost a little bit more than a gsxr1000 but by god its fun.

cheers
Mal

[Satansfist]

When you get sick of riding the same 1000cc monsters as everyone else you'll start looking into bikes that you invest yourself in, like everyone on this forum seems to with their car, that's when you'll go looking at bikes like the S4RS above, an old 1100 Katana or 86/87 GSXR1100, one of the 500cc two strokes from the mid eighties, a 70's Ducati or Laverda...

I've ridden all the modern litre plus bikes I'm going to, now it's time to start collecting the bikes I dreamt about when I was a teenager...

[Trek52]

Sorry if I upset people but Bambam, DO NOT BUY A LITRE BIKE coming off restrictions. Anyone who does this as far as I am concerned is an idiot.

These things are not toys, I can ride a bit and these new 1000's scare the shit out of me. Mate please dont do it, learn to ride a nice SV650 or a late 90's cbr600f. Then move to something bigger, then when you really believe you have the skill and restraint to ride a new 1000 then get one.

People buy these things to show who has the biggest knob, that is the only reason. On the road they are shits of things, way to fast for traffic and to powerful for any roads we have in Aus.

And anyone that needs one for the track had better be doing sub 1:40's on a 600 at EC or PI cause if you cant you sure as hell wont be getting the best out of a new 1000.

Nearly all new sports bikes will give you the thrill that you had from the 1000 trust me. you are going from 40hp to min of 100 on a 600 and riding a lighter bike.

If you want at 1000 buy a vtr or a gsxr600 and put 1000 stickers on it. over a 1/4 mile there is stuff all difference between any of these bikes the real difference in from 120 - 200, somewhere a new rider should not be.

Sorry if I have offended but I have ridden and raced motorbikes for nearly 15 years and seen too many people die or suffer serious injuries when the bike they thought they could control bites them on the arse.

[Vulture]

At the moment im seriously trying to decide between the gsxr750 or the thou.


I've got one word for you: torque. I was in the same position a few years ago - trying to decide between a CBR929 Fireblade and a GSXR750. I took the Fireblade as the extra capacity makes it a nicer bike to ride throughout the rev range due to more torque everywhere.


I disagree.

And your argument is what? I have seen this happen time and time again. Hero on GSXR or Fireblade or R1 has his arse handed to him by a less 'serious' bike through some tight twisties where power is not a major issue. My experience is from blasting through the corners up in Cairns (Gillies, Port Douglas road and Kuranda). The guys in the lastest sportsbikes are not always faster (but they often take more risks) than everyone else. Hey, don't get me wrong, I used to be one of those guys on the sportsbike but now I am after something a little more interesting and enduring like a Ducati sportclassic or something.

[Road Warrior]

I've ridden all the modern litre plus bikes I'm going to, now it's time to start collecting the bikes I dreamt about when I was a teenager...

Hehe bit of a hoarder are we :)

I'm still looking for a bunkie/smashed up ZZR1100 that I can fix up.

[bambam]

Hehe bit of a hoarder are we :)

I'm still looking for a bunkie/smashed up ZZR1100 that I can fix up.

You mean you want to "Streetfighter"?

Thanks for the advice guys. Common sense says get a 600-750 but my desire is saying get a 1000!

Suppose Ill see what the bank says first of all....

[Satansfist]

Hehe bit of a hoarder are we :)

I'm still looking for a bunkie/smashed up ZZR1100 that I can fix up.

Heh heh, unfortunately I am, I've been doing the same, looking for a fixer upper...they're few and far between though.

[BlownVR]

I've got one word for you: torque. I was in the same position a few years ago - trying to decide between a CBR929 Fireblade and a GSXR750. I took the Fireblade as the extra capacity makes it a nicer bike to ride throughout the rev range due to more torque everywhere.

I totally agree. Even the latest litre bikes could do with more low rpm torque as it has been sacrificed to make more top end power. My 98 R1 is much stronger and nicer to ride at low revs than the 07 but gives away 30-40hp up top. And I reckon the latest 600s are fast enough to kill you just as easily as a bigger bike anyway.
There is a lot of wisdom in what Trek52 has said, although I went from a GPX250 to an R1 and 7 years later I'm still alive, no crashes or even come close to having one yet. It is possible to make the big jump, but you have to realise your limitations and stay within those limits. Don't make the newbie mistake of trying to hang with the experienced fast guys. Just let them go and ride at your own pace, or you may end up like this guy :( Be very, very careful.

http://video.hirado.hu/videok/auto/kozlekedes/motoros_1_250.wmv

[CarlFST60L]

I totally agree. Even the latest litre bikes could do with more low rpm torque as it has been sacrificed to make more top end power. My 98 R1 is much stronger and nicer to ride at low revs than the 07 but gives away 30-40hp up top. And I reckon the latest 600s are fast enough to kill you just as easily as a bigger bike anyway.
There is a lot of wisdom in what Trek52 has said, although I went from a GPX250 to an R1 and 7 years later I'm still alive, no crashes or even come close to having one yet. It is possible to make the big jump, but you have to realise your limitations and stay within those limits. Don't make the newbie mistake of trying to hang with the experienced fast guys. Just let them go and ride at your own pace, or you may end up like this guy :( Be very, very careful.

http://video.hirado.hu/videok/auto/kozlekedes/motoros_1_250.wmv

People to often have no idea of their limits :confused: I hope the guy comming the other way wasnt hurt :vpo:

[BlownVR]

People to often have no idea of their limits :confused: I hope the guy comming the other way wasnt hurt :vpo:
Yeah I guess those who don't understand their limitations are the ones most likely to crash.
Regarding the video, which has popped up on a few bike forums lately, apparently the innocent dude coming the other way was killed and the fool on the camera bike survived. Not much justice there...

[bambam]

I saw that today. Bloody horrible. I know it would have happened so fast at its easy to speculate but it looks as if the guy on the bike with the camera didnt even attempt so swerve. He was hardly leaning the bike at all! Was bloody awful just seeing the rider coming up straight infront of him and not being able to do anything. I also heard the other guy was killed in the accident. (the guy without the camera.)

[thnk_again]

my brother had a pretty modified r1, i didnt really see much of it other then a few burn outs and this one time he was just revin it
woooooohhhhooooo!! just listening to it rev and the burn out makes me keen on owning a road bike one day, but im to scared.
he wasnt to keen on going hard he just wanted soming that could blow cars off, but then he hit a kangaroo doing 140and snaped the bike in two and got hurt.
the only thing left of the bike that was worth money pretty much was the tacho but some one stole it from the crash site
he now has a zx10r that does 300kms and on the same gears run a 10sec 1/4 so he claims....


good luck with ya buy you should love it

[SS Enforcer]

At the moment im seriously trying to decide between the gsxr750 or the thou.

A few people have said the 750 is much more agile and almost as quick. Add to that, its noticably lighter. But....I also hear of alot of people saying that they upgraded to a 600 or a 750 and then wanted more and had to sell, refinance and buy a new bike all over again. Something that I would like to avoid. I dunno, that just floats in the back of my mind.

The 750 is cheaper, apparently a little more tame as a first upgrade from a 250 and supposedly as quick.

But the little voice in the back of my head says LITRE LITRE LITRE LITRE!!!

Given it would be pretty much a daily ride (as in pretty much every dry day and days that arent as cold as it is at the moment!) what would you guys think would be the better option? The weight of the thou doesnt bother me, couldnt care less about fuel consumption and i do definately intend on doing some track days. The sales guy actually said he thinks the 750 would be better as a daily ride. But i like the thought of cruising around on the thou in 5th or 6th and jsut being able to twist the wrist and go.

Ahhhhh, dilemas!!

My brother bought one of these gsxr1000's a cpl of months back to replace his r1 Aprilla. It is a real weapon, he has modded it allready, it now only has 8" exhausts no mufflers just some butterfly arrangement that he can control:confused: you can trick up the tune as well I believe. He had it dynoed and it read 168 rwhp which is huge for a bike.

He cautions though that this bike is for an experianced rider only, as he is. He can pick the front wheel up at 160 kph+ with ease. As for what bike is better I am sure Derek would say it has a lot to do with the riders ability to adjust the suspension to suit his riding style. A big set of nads allways helps as well. :)

cheers

Whatever you get Bambam enjoy it and keep it safe.

[Vulture]

I know it would have happened so fast at its easy to speculate but it looks as if the guy on the bike with the camera didnt even attempt so swerve. He was hardly leaning the bike at all!

The guy on the camera bike ran wide and then panicked and didn't just didn't turn his bike. Now the Police have video evidence of him riding dangerously and crossing to the wrong side of the road. Ooops.

[CarlFST60L]

The guy on the camera bike ran wide and then panicked and didn't just didn't turn his bike. Now the Police have video evidence of him riding dangerously and crossing to the wrong side of the road. Ooops.

From what i can see in the video, he was 'hard' on the brakes, mostly the front, and that stopped him from turning the nose in (watch as he goes off into the other lane, you see the bike move around, indicating he was on the brakes)... That guy should be locked up for a few years if he took that other guys life... tool..

[Vulture]

From what i can see in the video, he was 'hard' on the brakes, mostly the front, and that stopped him from turning the nose in (watch as he goes off into the other lane, you see the bike move around, indicating he was on the brakes)... That guy should be locked up for a few years if he took that other guys life... tool..

I think you're right there.

[Road Warrior]

Heh heh, unfortunately I am, I've been doing the same, looking for a fixer upper...they're few and far between though.

Tried looking at the Fowles auctions? I went to one a couple of weeks back and there were some easy repairers going reasonably cheap.

I sometimes wonder though how they determine the criteria for what is and what isnt a statutory writeoff though. The bike I was interested in had a total separation in one of the frame welds (primary, under the fuel tank where the rear subframe attaches to the main frame) and it was classed as a repairable writeoff :hmmm:

[ACT_Cross8]

Sorry if I upset people but Bambam, DO NOT BUY A LITRE BIKE coming off restrictions. Anyone who does this as far as I am concerned is an idiot.

These things are not toys, I can ride a bit and these new 1000's scare the shit out of me. Mate please dont do it, learn to ride a nice SV650 or a late 90's cbr600f. Then move to something bigger, then when you really believe you have the skill and restraint to ride a new 1000 then get one.

People buy these things to show who has the biggest knob, that is the only reason. On the road they are shits of things, way to fast for traffic and to powerful for any roads we have in Aus.

And anyone that needs one for the track had better be doing sub 1:40's on a 600 at EC or PI cause if you cant you sure as hell wont be getting the best out of a new 1000.

Nearly all new sports bikes will give you the thrill that you had from the 1000 trust me. you are going from 40hp to min of 100 on a 600 and riding a lighter bike.

If you want at 1000 buy a vtr or a gsxr600 and put 1000 stickers on it. over a 1/4 mile there is stuff all difference between any of these bikes the real difference in from 120 - 200, somewhere a new rider should not be.

Sorry if I have offended but I have ridden and raced motorbikes for nearly 15 years and seen too many people die or suffer serious injuries when the bike they thought they could control bites them on the arse.

I'm with Trek. Everyone "THINKS" they have the ability to handle a big bike straight up. It only takes a milisecond to prove yourself "WRONG" and f*ck up your day/life/someone else's life. I've seen it, read about it, heard about it too many times.

As for actually buying a bike, if the dealer KNOWS you aren't legally allowed to ride the bike they are selling you, they should be liable if you fark up as well. This sort of thing needs to be stamped out. Then there is the bank who lent you the money to buy it as well...

[cossmo]

Bambam i am in the same situation as you - weeks away from end of restrictions. I have a few friends that have bikes and all i respect as smart guys not just lunatics with big bikes...........AND ALL OF THEM SAY DO NOT BUY A 1000 STRAIGHT OFF RESTRCITIONS and there is a reason for it. Sure you might be able get away with it and save a few bucks but what is extra risk on your life worth. You only have one and you are prepared to put it in a higher risk category for the sake of a few dollars.

Ride a 600 for 12-24 months, get used to it and get comfortable then buy a bigger bike. this is the advice i habve been given by too many smart people to ignore and therefore this is what i am doing.

At the end of the day you are free to choose for yourself and i wish you luck out there on any motorbike.

Cheers,
Heath

PS if you interested in new ZX6 or CBR600RR then PM me and we can a better deal on two at the same time :)

I here tou

[Nawdy]

The perfect illustration that the road is not a race track.

bambam, in the the end, it's your $$$, your choice and your life. There is some very wise advice in this thread and, again, you have the choice on whether to heed it or not.

Buying a motor cycle can be a very emotional thing (even more so than buying a car) and, as a salesman yourself, you know customers can make choices based on emotional decisions rather than thinking a decision through - are these always the wisest choices?

I've been riding on the road since 1978, and I was on chook chasers for 8 - 10 years before that. Since then, I've owned and ridden a lot of different bikes, been in one bad accident that was due to a suddenly unrideable road (I wrote off my Daytona - they don't handle rock falls too well), done various riding courses and ridden on various racetracks. And I still ride every day. Why am I telling you this? I want to give you a little bit of advice, and let you in on a little secret based on my experience as a motorcyclist:

* you don't have to have the biggest, fastest, flashiest and loudest bike to be a good rider. Punting a mid-sized bike hard can be one of the most rewarding and adrenaline-filled experiences motorcycle riding has to offer, and can complement your skills. You can control the bike, not the other way around. I've only ever ridden with 3 motorcyclists who could ride a bike such as a GSX-R1000 to it's full potential, and they wouldn't contemplate doing it on a public street. They all raced big bore bikes on the racetrack. They were awesome to ride with to!

* on a big bike, unless you have *very* good riding skills and bike control, one little faux pas can be your last. On a smaller and slower bike, you'll have a better chance of survival, and live to learn from your mistake. And even the best of riders make mistakes. Have another look at that video link, you you'll see what I mean

* do some advanced rider training courses. They will teach you skills that you never thought possible, and give you the wherewithal to help survive on the road. It can be easy to ride fast sometimes, but how easy is it to ride slow?????

* go for a ride with some experienced road riders. Quite often, they can offer you advice, and pick up things you are doing wrong that you aren't aware of

* get some time on a chook chaser in the dirt. This will give you a chance to experience what it feels like to have a bike moving around beneath you, how to react to things such as wheelspin, sliding and mono-ing, and you can gain experience on low grip surfaces. As an added bonus, it will sharpen up your reflexes a lot!

Like I said it's your money, your choice and your life but if you really feel that you need to go for something like a GSX-R, seriously contemplate the 750; if you can, get hold of a copy of the ( I think 2006) Masterbike write up in AMCN - those guys know what they are on about, and the GSXR-750 won the shoot-out. Personally, I would recommend a 600 for you.

[bambam]

Hey cossmo,

If i end up going with a smaller bike it would definately be along the lines of the gixxer 750 or the Triumph 675. Hondas dont do it for me. I like the kwaka600 but i like the trump and gixxer more. Having said that, a close family friend of mine works at 1300kawasaki in ferntree gully, so if you end up going that way, pm me and ill put you in contact with him. He may be able to look after you a bit more than if you just walked in off the street.

Im going to try and test ride the gixxer750 and the trumpy tomorrow. By all means guys, i respect your advice and have definately taken it on board. At the moment im torn between the 750 and the thou. Ill try the trumpy to see what everyone is talking about though.

I do trust myself on the bike. Im not a hoon. I havent even had a speeding ticket on the bike yet! I do trust myself on the thou but I also know that a slight lapse in concentration can get you in all sorts really quickly on a bike like that. BUT....from what im told, the 750 is almost as quick and certainly as quick at lower speeds. Whats the difference if im on the 750 or the thou? Just because the thou can hit 290kmh doenst mean im going to do it on the roads. Its kinda annoying that the two are so similar in price cos if there was more of a saving by going for the 750 then the decision would be easy. But were talking a difference of 2k at most. I sorta figure that if im spending the money on the 750, spend the bit extra and get the bike that will last me longer. I see it happen everyday at work and dont wanna get caught out.

The other thing is insurance. Does anyone know if there is much of a difference between insuring a 750 vs 1000? All things being equal.

Thanks again for the advice. Been most helpfull. (if not confusing as all hell!!)

[pirate]

I've got one word for you: torque. I was in the same position a few years ago - trying to decide between a CBR929 Fireblade and a GSXR750. I took the Fireblade as the extra capacity makes it a nicer bike to ride throughout the rev range due to more torque everywhere.



And your argument is what? I have seen this happen time and time again. Hero on GSXR or Fireblade or R1 has his arse handed to him by a less 'serious' bike through some tight twisties where power is not a major issue. My experience is from blasting through the corners up in Cairns (Gillies, Port Douglas road and Kuranda). The guys in the lastest sportsbikes are not always faster (but they often take more risks) than everyone else. Hey, don't get me wrong, I used to be one of those guys on the sportsbike but now I am after something a little more interesting and enduring like a Ducati sportclassic or something.

And I have seen many riders on 1000's flog the pants off riders on 600's. It comes down to the riders. I see it every year on rides up through Thredbo, hotham, falls creek the blackspur the list goes on. Some of the quickest riders I have seen up through these hills have been on Hayabusa's.

[old holden V8]

The perfect illustration that the road is not a race track.

bambam, in the the end, it's your $$$, your choice and your life. There is some very wise advice in this thread and, again, you have the choice on whether to heed it or not.

Buying a motor cycle can be a very emotional thing (even more so than buying a car) and, as a salesman yourself, you know customers can make choices based on emotional decisions rather than thinking a decision through - are these always the wisest choices?

I've been riding on the road since 1978, and I was on chook chasers for 8 - 10 years before that. Since then, I've owned and ridden a lot of different bikes, been in one bad accident that was due to a suddenly unrideable road (I wrote off my Daytona - they don't handle rock falls too well), done various riding courses and ridden on various racetracks. And I still ride every day. Why am I telling you this? I want to give you a little bit of advice, and let you in on a little secret based on my experience as a motorcyclist:

* you don't have to have the biggest, fastest, flashiest and loudest bike to be a good rider. Punting a mid-sized bike hard can be one of the most rewarding and adrenaline-filled experiences motorcycle riding has to offer, and can complement your skills. You can control the bike, not the other way around. I've only ever ridden with 3 motorcyclists who could ride a bike such as a GSX-R1000 to it's full potential, and they wouldn't contemplate doing it on a public street. They all raced big bore bikes on the racetrack. They were awesome to ride with to!

* on a big bike, unless you have *very* good riding skills and bike control, one little faux pas can be your last. On a smaller and slower bike, you'll have a better chance of survival, and live to learn from your mistake. And even the best of riders make mistakes. Have another look at that video link, you you'll see what I mean

* do some advanced rider training courses. They will teach you skills that you never thought possible, and give you the wherewithal to help survive on the road. It can be easy to ride fast sometimes, but how easy is it to ride slow?????

* go for a ride with some experienced road riders. Quite often, they can offer you advice, and pick up things you are doing wrong that you aren't aware of

* get some time on a chook chaser in the dirt. This will give you a chance to experience what it feels like to have a bike moving around beneath you, how to react to things such as wheelspin, sliding and mono-ing, and you can gain experience on low grip surfaces. As an added bonus, it will sharpen up your reflexes a lot!

Like I said it's your money, your choice and your life but if you really feel that you need to go for something like a GSX-R, seriously contemplate the 750; if you can, get hold of a copy of the ( I think 2006) Masterbike write up in AMCN - those guys know what they are on about, and the GSXR-750 won the shoot-out. Personally, I would recommend a 600 for you.

Exactly, positively 100% correct. Couldn't have put it better. I have been only been riding since 1983 on road - 1977 on a chooky.

Consider this too:


*1000 cc bikes chew chains/tyres at a much quicker rate than a 600cc.

* Insurance maybe unobtainable/unaffordable on a 1000cc + bike. (for you)

* It's FUN thrashing a smaller cc bike.

* IMHO a well ridden 600cc will definitely keep up with a litre bike on the ROAD.

* A well ridden 600cc will give an enormous amount of satisfaction, just like a 1000cc will.

* A litre + bike is more tiring to ride FAST.

My 2c.

Do a rider Training Course.

YMMV

Laurie

:-)

[VYSHSV8]

Just be careful we dont want this to happen to you..

Watch the Vid it shows what not to do

http://www.filecabi.net/video/32d42ca6a948a8f16.html

[bambam]

I just bought a brand new Kawa ZX-10 SE today and got a ripper deal. Just over $16k on road!! (with a few extra goodies. fender elim, rear hugger,tank pad etc.)

I found that the kawa, down lower in the rev range, was a little bit more placid than the GSXR. Suits me perfectly. By all means, give it a bit and it screams, but cruising in a high gear at the speed limit on the kawa was easy. It was almost sluggish compared to the gixxer. Unless you want it to boogy and then she certainly does!!!

I rode the ZX6R and loved it but then took the 10 out and it was soooo much nicer to cruise on. Both bikes were awesome, but the 10 just seemed like the total package. Also, the deal they had on the new 10, it was actually about $7-800 cheaper than the 6!!! Weird! That sold me.

Heres my new baby. Cant wait to pick it up!! Now I just gotta go and try out leather racing suits and get my ass to a few advanced rider training days. To be honest, I dont see myself taking this thing out on the road too often until ive done a few of these courses. Especially at this time of the year. Ill probably keep the lil Hyosung for a few more months yet and keep it as a commuter.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/kawa.jpg

[HDVZMonaro]

That was a great deal mate. I don't know what the new models are like, but I rode an 05 model and it had some serious mumbo. I was so close to buying it but ended up opting for the fireblade as its power was more user friendly for everdyay riding. Anyway, I hope you enjoy it and stay controlled, because a bike like that can get you in trouble real fast.

Congratulations on your purchase.

[Road Warrior]

The 10R will feel more docile on the street than the 6R because the 6R is a more track oriented bike and has a 2 stroke-esque power delivery curve. The 10R delivers its power in a much more linear manner (just that there is more of it). The 07 6R is also one of the fugliest bikes on the road at the moment, IMHO. I'm glad I got the last of the '06's.

First step for that 10R should be to fit a set of Oggys to it.

[bambam]

yeah they had a 636 there in the silver colour. Loved the look of it but the 10r was only going to be a little bit more expensive with the deal i got. (about 1k more) so i went the 10r.

It was definately easy to ride on the road in the lower rpm range. I think thats kinda why i liked it. I wasnt as aggressive as the 6r. hehe, unless you want it to be......

[Gteeez]

Nice bike BamBam, have lusted over one of these myself. I'm guessing you are on the taller side. I'm 6'2" and had 2 mates visit not long ago on a 05 R1 and an 06 ZX-6. Rode both, just didn't fit on the ZX-6. I had to actually pull my legs up on to the pegs. Many a year ago I raced a ZX-6, and it used to be a very comfy fit. When I rode the new zx-6, also found it suffered bar buzz and didn't exactly feel stable at low speeds with my 95 kg's perched on top. The R1 on the other hand was comfort supreme compared to the 6. It's a shame really, because for people of larger dimensions who want nothing but a new sports bike, anything less than a 1000 can just simply be too small.

Enjoy your new toy and get into some serious rider training. You'll be hooking through Siberia with your knee down in no time, even flicking the finger to your mate you've just rounded up around the outside. Seriously mate, enjoy!

[leadfoot]

the 600s are a great all round bike but theres nothing like 1000,1100 or even 1300,,,i ride a cbr1100 xx and love it,have seen 280 ,and got there so quick,if only i could get my vy tonner going that hard:smilesandbanana:go the litre and leave it in wet mode 4 a year

[caj39]

And any good rider on a litrebike will cane the ass off a 600 on the track being ridden by an ordinary rider as well.

Couldn't have said that better myself, just sold my 2001 GSXR1000 and no 600 could keep up with it track or on the road, power stands at 280km/h unreal.

[Gteeez]

Couldn't have said that better myself, just sold my 2001 GSXR1000 and no 600 could keep up with it track or on the road, power stands at 280km/h unreal.

You must ride with pussies! By todays 600 standards, the 01 GSXR1000 is an overweight ill-handling heffa. Say it once, say it again. Fast track times are about corner speed. A race prepped 250 stroker on slicks will demolish a road going 1000. As for lifting the front at 280 :weirdo:. Ummmmm, that bike would be topping out 280 unless it's had some serious engine mods. :stick: Check your speedo cable, I think it might be telling you fibs.

[CV8UTE]

Sorry to Hijack. But i didnt want to start a new thread.

I have been watching this thread with interest as im about to get off my ass and FINALLY get my L's. And have been trying to think of a bike to buy and have come across a good one (I hope).

I have been looking at Hyosong GT650R. You can buy these as learner legal (I think the dealer restricts them to make them learner legal) and when you get off your P's you can get the restriction taken off and its back to a 650cc. So you dont have to go out and buy a new bike when you get your full licence.

Has anyone heard anything about these bikes. Good or bad?


CV8UTE

[Gteeez]

CV8UTE, try this thread. Covers pretty much eveything and everyones opinion.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76291

[CV8UTE]

CV8UTE, try this thread. Covers pretty much eveything and everyones opinion.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76291

Thanks for that!!

[all4ford]

You must ride with pussies! By todays 600 standards, the 01 GSXR1000 is an overweight ill-handling heffa. Say it once, say it again. Fast track times are about corner speed. A race prepped 250 stroker on slicks will demolish a road going 1000. As for lifting the front at 280 :weirdo:. Ummmmm, that bike would be topping out 280 unless it's had some serious engine mods. :stick: Check your speedo cable, I think it might be telling you fibs.
Good call.

My Dad owns a ZX14 Kawasaki, fastest and quickest stock bike on the road, drag strip and he was taking it to the salt lakes but it got cancelled this year.

[Trek52]

Good luck with it BamBam but just remember that your new bike with bite you in the arse if you are not carefull.

I have a mate that can outride me that had an 05 one, he could lap EC in low 1:40's in road trim, but he got to confident and it spat him of big time.

Just be careful, enjoy your bike for the fact you have a bike. Leave the silly stuff to the track.....

[huggies]

Congrats On The Purchase BamBam
did they throw in the Track Pack with it ? (Braided Brake Lines,Pipe,michelin Tyres) ?
also we want lots of pictures
and could you post some pictures of your Hyosung too

[bambam]

Soon as I pick her up ill definately be taking piccies. Ill take some before and after shots. (hyosung to kwaka)

They didnt include the track pack with it but at that price i couldnt care less.

Just waiting on finance now. Unfortunately, being in a sales position with comission being a big part of my earnings, loans take a bit longer as I have to be able to prove that my comission is an ongoing thing! Sucks!

Few more days to wait.......

Oh and i will def be taking it easy on the new bike! Probably wont ride much till it warms/dries up a bit. Will keep the hyo a bit longer for that reason!

[dracer]

im getting excited for u bambam hahaha

dam good bike mate, be careful though man, there bloody deadly the bastards!

post pics asap

dr

[bambam]

Everything has finally come together! Finance has been finalised, insurance paid, (ended up getting the original quote of $2800 down to $1098 woo hoo)
and bike is ready. Theyre just fitting my accessories at the moment. Weather providing, I will pick her up tomorrow night. If its raining, im just gonna have to wait. Taking no chances until im familiar and confident with the bike!

mmmm, new car smell.........hehe

[Gteeez]

Don't forget to run your tyres in! Many a bike on new tyres has slid down the road because the rider forgot how slippery tyres are when new, magnified hugely on powerful bikes. Best of luck, get some pics up when you get a chance.

[bambam]

Thanks gteeez.

Hadnt even thought about that!

[Smitty]

mmmm, new car smell.........hehe


hot oil smells...more likely
nice oil smells :)

and yeah...watch the tyres for grip...actually lack of grip :vpo:
that you get from the mould release on new tyres

enjoy the new chariot


cheers

[VU_SS_UTE]

I was browsing through motorcycle shops today and looking at a new '07 gsxr1000 and drooling. Salesman there was awesome and told me heaps about it and gave me plenty of advice. Told him i was still on restrictions for a while yet but was getting the bug to get a bigger bike anyway.

Then he said it......."why dont you take it for a test ride?"

I said i cant as still restricted. Ah, dont worry bout that mate, well get you out there and see what you think of it.

Me...GULP.....ok...........

Never in my wildest dreams had i imagined it would ride like it did. Smooth, controlled, stable but still flickable. The power? FARK ME!!!

I barely got the thing over the 10k mark on the tacho but this thing FLEW!!! sitting at 60km in 6th and wind the throttle on and no hesitation, it just screams! That was in 6th gear!!! It took me about 15 minutes to start feeling comfortable on it, as in my riding position and feel for the gearbox, clutch, brakes etc. but after that, i felt right at home. Powerwise it is scary! I cant imagine ever ever pushing this bike to its limits on the road. Track maybe, but not the road.

When i got back, the guys says, that was on the wet ecu setting so only putting out around 80% of what its capable of. FARK again!! (how true this is i dont know?)

Im sold. Salesman did his job. He knew that i wasnt buying today, i made that clear before the ride, but i can guarantee, when i go to purchase a new bike in the next month or 2, he has the sale in the bag!

Basically what im saying is GET A LITRE BIKE!!! ITS FARKING AWESOME!!!! IVe still got adrenalin shakes right now. Sad thing is, i had to then get back on my hyosung to get home. Ive only ever ridden the hyo and now the gixxer. Makes you realise just how poorly put together the hyo is. I always thought it was ok. And i guess it is for the money.

Awesome day!!! Glad i pulled a sickie!!

If I had a litre bike i'd have a licence for about 10 mins lol. Thats why I went the 600, trust me they're still plenty fast enough. At least on the 600 you have to try and wheelstand it, oh and they handle better.


Just be careful we dont want this to happen to you..

Watch the Vid it shows what not to do

http://www.filecabi.net/video/32d42ca6a948a8f16.html

Should be titled, First Person View of a complete and utter Moto-GP wannabe wanker let loose on the street. I feel sorry for the other bloke who was in the right and got cleaned up!


I totally agree. Even the latest litre bikes could do with more low rpm torque as it has been sacrificed to make more top end power. My 98 R1 is much stronger and nicer to ride at low revs than the 07 but gives away 30-40hp up top. And I reckon the latest 600s are fast enough to kill you just as easily as a bigger bike anyway.
There is a lot of wisdom in what Trek52 has said, although I went from a GPX250 to an R1 and 7 years later I'm still alive, no crashes or even come close to having one yet. It is possible to make the big jump, but you have to realise your limitations and stay within those limits. Don't make the newbie mistake of trying to hang with the experienced fast guys. Just let them go and ride at your own pace, or you may end up like this guy :( Be very, very careful.

http://video.hirado.hu/videok/auto/kozlekedes/motoros_1_250.wmv

The 98 R1's are the most savage of the lot lol!


As for actually buying a bike, if the dealer KNOWS you aren't legally allowed to ride the bike they are selling you, they should be liable if you fark up as well. This sort of thing needs to be stamped out. Then there is the bank who lent you the money to buy it as well...

Thats all well and good, and dont get me wrong I agree with you in principle, however a lot of people buy bikes simply for the track, and in that case you can buy what you like...

I really think the question needs to come down to registration, i.e why can you have a bike registered in your name which you cant even legally ride, thats maybe where the questions should be asked...

Food for thought anyway

[Smitty]

I really think the question needs to come down to registration, i.e why can you have a bike registered in your name which you cant even legally ride, thats maybe where the questions should be asked...



there has been a court case about this a few years ago
(Qld or NSW I think) where the family of the deceased rider
sued the dealer who sold a 750 (can't remember make) to someone
who had their P licence about a week

the dealer lost..and the settlement large


According to Vicroads, they will not accept rego of a ' P' banned car
in the name of a L or P plater...so why do it for bikes?
The registration authorities know the status of your licence, so why allow
the registration of a bike you cannot legally ride?
....or maybe the selling licenced motor dealer should be made legally liable?

cheers

[bambam]

Kerry Packer owned a fleet of planes and helicopters. Far as i know, he didnt have a pilots licence of any sort. Should he not be allowed to own them purely because he isnt licenced to fly?

As far as im concerned, then onus is on the buyer. Its their responsibility to make sure they abide by the law. Whilst i admit, I will probably ride this bike a few times whilst restricted, I am prepared to take full responsibility for my actions. Thats the whole reason im keeping the 250 till the end of my restrictions now. I will not be riding this bike constantly.

I have a few months left on restrictions. Part of the reason for me buying the bike now was that with this weather were having, its going to be alot less tempting to take the bike out. A few things (finance wise) went my way recently and put me in a position to be able to afford it. Thats why I bought it now instead of at the end of my restrictions.

[VU_SS_UTE]

Kerry Packer owned a fleet of planes and helicopters. Far as i know, he didnt have a pilots licence of any sort. Should he not be allowed to own them purely because he isnt licenced to fly?

As far as im concerned, then onus is on the buyer. Its their responsibility to make sure they abide by the law. Whilst i admit, I will probably ride this bike a few times whilst restricted, I am prepared to take full responsibility for my actions. Thats the whole reason im keeping the 250 till the end of my restrictions now. I will not be riding this bike constantly.

I have a few months left on restrictions. Part of the reason for me buying the bike now was that with this weather were having, its going to be alot less tempting to take the bike out. A few things (finance wise) went my way recently and put me in a position to be able to afford it. Thats why I bought it now instead of at the end of my restrictions.


Not to mention there's usually better deals to be had on bikes during winter when they're not selling as many! Thats why I picked mine up recently too, good time to buy, but a crap time to have a new bike (especially down here)

[ACT_Cross8]

there has been a court case about this a few years ago
(Qld or NSW I think) where the family of the deceased rider
sued the dealer who sold a 750 (can't remember make) to someone
who had their P licence about a week

the dealer lost..and the settlement large



A P plater on an R1 was killed at a roundabout in Canberra here a couple of months ago. The media report blamed the car driver and questioned the safety of the intersection. Wonder who sold the bike and whose name it was registered in...

[Road Warrior]

there has been a court case about this a few years ago
(Qld or NSW I think) where the family of the deceased rider
sued the dealer who sold a 750 (can't remember make) to someone
who had their P licence about a week

the dealer lost..and the settlement large


I could picture that happening in the US...but not here?

In the US a 16 year old can go and get his bike licence and then go and buy a ZX14 and its perfectly legal.

[Smitty]

In the US a 16 year old can go and get his bike licence and then go and buy a ZX14 and its perfectly legal.

and buy a gun..............:confused:

[bambam]

Hey all,

Finally, after a few weeks of sorting out finance crap, I picked my new pride and joy up!!

Friday night was like Xmas eve! Trying to sleep, knowing the next morning I would have my new toy, was not easy! Picked her up and took her into work. Then it started raining so I decided to leave it there overnight. Went and got her today and man, im happier than a pig in shit!!

Only managed to clock up 90km so far but heavens to betsies she goes!! Sooooo smooth and stable! The riding position takes a bit of getting used to and some adjustable pegs wouldnt go astray but ill adjust.

Anyways, just wanted to show my new toy off. Im back off to the garage to drool for a bit. Sorry about the crappy quality pics but light in the garage isnt good and the camera wasnt too flash either. (blame it on the camera hehe)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/6.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/5.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/4.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/3.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/2.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/1.jpg

[VU_SS_UTE]

One of the old mans mates picked up one of these a while back, they're a bloody awesome looking rig thats for sure. And indeed the do certainly motor! Not as savage as the previous ZX-10 either, which is good and bad in a way. The SE colour scheme looks great too! Get that baby some pipes ;)

[Road Warrior]

Get that baby some pipes ;)

I think some Oggies might be the most worthwhile thing first up...cheap insurance IMHO.

[VU_SS_UTE]

I think some Oggies might be the most worthwhile thing first up...cheap insurance IMHO.

Yeah but they dont exactly cost much, and while they're great for the track and what not, on a street bike not so much. They do little when the bike hits a curb/tree/pole etc etc...

[huggies]

very nice Bambam
these things have changed since i last took a good look at one (2005/06) did it come like that from the factory with pipes tucked under the seat and the carbon fiber rear hugger & tinted screen

[bytemaxnmann]

You petrolheads are mad. This kid broke the law, having been encouraged by a salesman. If he'd been picked up by police, they'd both be in the crapper. Grossly irresponsible!!! And you lot go on, bragging, and encouraging further troubles, with fast times and accelerations of ridiculous proportions. There's an enormous difference between I can, and I will. It is: I will not. That lesson has to be learned early by all riders, or they do not survive long. You. as forum members must teach by precept and example, safe riding practices to learners or they won't live long enough to learn. I know the exhilaration of good precision riding, of thowing a machine around tight bends, and having it on a bit, but I also know that youth, KW, wheels and testosterone are a bad mix, too often a fatal one, and learners need time to learn properly and well. Professional instruction is valuable, because it's more likely to be done well, rather than with inherrent bad habits. We here in the west bemoan the practise of getting youth through their testing, rather than teaching them to drive/ride well. Almost any fool can learn the control operations, but far too few learn or are even taught the mental cognitions necessary to be safe.

[bambam]

:soap: First things first. Im not a kid. Tell you what, I wont take to heart you calling me young, ignorant and incapable (gist of your post) if you dont take to heart me calling you an old fuddy duddy. Deal?

Yes, riding this bike is illegal whilst im on restrictions. Yes im prepared to face the consequenses should something happen. As i did last saturday night when a coppa pulled me over randomly. Copped a $116 fine and no demerit points for "capacity limit" infringment. Woopdee doo. I said to the cop, its not really a deterant is it? He agreed and said 95% of the bikers he pulls over (on bigger bikes) are on restrictions.

He knew, as I told him, that a small fine wouldnt deter me one bit. In fact, I have a mate in the TMU who encouraged me to get this bike. Ride accordingly and you will be fine. Act like a dickhead and suffer the repocussions.

The salesman did NOT talk me in to this bike one bit. I wanted this bike. I approached him and I made the decision to purchase it. Thats what us adults do. Think for ourselves.

As far as riding a bigger bike with limited experience, I think a few things come into play here.

1: Skill level
2: Maturity
3: Self Control
4: Confidence (a good balance of)
5: Road Experience
6: Respect for ones life
7: Respect for ones machine

Ive had this argument with a few people now. Not all people that ride a ltr bike die automatically. Theres even an argument that a ltr bike is a safer bike to learn on as the quality of the bike is substantially higher than that of a 250cc. Engine, chassis, brakes etc are all leagues above what I have ever experienced. In fact, getting back on the Hyosung today was horrible. I honestly felt insecure on it. Purely cos the brakes, handling and lack of power were something I had forgotten. The bigger bike feels more stable in corners, definately has enough power to get you out of trouble and stops on a dime! Tipping the Hyo into a round about on the way home today was nerve racking to say the least. I was probably going a little bit too fast and she sorta squirmed all over the place. When I got home, I got the 10 out and went to the same round about. Same speed and she didnt budge. Was much nicer.

Anyways, Ive had about 10 years road experience, so roadcraft is something that is pretty much second nature to me. At 27, I am mature enough to be able to exhibit self control on the roads and ride according to the conditions or my confidence. I ride to the lesser of the two. Just because the corner can be taken at 100kmh, doesnt mean im going to do it. Especially if im not confident. I also like the idea of living so Im not about to jeopardise that by trying to do mach 2 in the side streets near home. I know these bikes can and will bite you in the arse if you dont give them the respect they deserve. I honestly believe that even someone with limited skill level could ride these bikes safely and confidently. Providing they are mature enough to use self control and common sense.

If i was 18 with no road experience then yeah the ZX10 would be dumb. Fact is, im not and the ZX10 rocks! I may be a better rider than some of the other guys on here who ride ltr bikes. Even with my limited experience. Then, there may be guys here who ride 250's that are much better riders than me. With half the experience. Point is, who is to say who should ride what? The current crop of 600's will kill you just as quick as a ltr will. Some are possibly faster than the current ltr bikes. If you knew how much money I'd wasted over the years on cars, the idea of uypgrading from a 250 to a 600 to a 750 to a 1000 wouldnt appeal to you either. Im not the first to upgrade to a ltr from a 250 and wont be the last. :soap:

Now for a question,
How hard is it to get these things airborne over railway crossings? Any suggestions of good places to try?

[Gteeez]

Ah BAMBAM, great reply. Its your life and you know it.

When I was a dickhead, some will argue I still am, used to get air in my Smegma over the Rosanna Rd tracks, right next to the Rosanna Railway station. Just wind up your pre load 1st, haha....................

[VU_SS_UTE]

Now for a question,
How hard is it to get these things airborne over railway crossings? Any suggestions of good places to try?

Mate have you seen any of the Irish Road Racing series? They can certainly be airborne HAHA...

Great stuff to watch, far more exciting that Superbikes or GP imo

[bambam]

Something like this??

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/johnnyrae1280x1024bm4.jpg



I'd actually prefer somewhere near a school zone to do it. That way all the hot mummies can see me and chat me up cos im cool!! :headbang::headbang::headbang::stick::hide:

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Where do you get to see that?? Channel? I love watching street circuit sort of stuff. Isle of Mann is just nuts!

[hadafew2many]

Mint bike BamBam!
Had a ex kevin curtain r1 and loved it!
Look after it and it will look after you!:headbang::headbang::headbang:

[VU_SS_UTE]

Where do you get to see that?? Channel? I love watching street circuit sort of stuff. Isle of Mann is just nuts!

Its on Austar (cant remember what chanel though) I get mine courtesy of the wonderful world of bit torrent ;)

[SLugg]

some facts for you

GSXR100K7

three ECU modes

A = 164RWHP full power (a for astronaut)
B = 164RWHP removes torque and HP under 5000RPM by about 20% (b = brave)
C = 126RWHP chops torque and HP all the way through the range wet days etc (c = cowards map)

all are fast enough to get you in trouble on the road with very little effort
best place for them the track...

[SUX350]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/LIROS_2006/twowheels.jpg

AIR!!


http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/LIROS_2006/itson.jpg

[VU_SS_UTE]

all are fast enough to get you in trouble on the road with very little effort
best place for them the track...

A postie bike is fast enough to get you inn trouble on the street! As bambam and others have pointed out its the rider at the end of the day.