Looking for 10hp where should I look.

[RED R8]

After a great day at the Perth cruise,DVD,Dyno get together and made a very happy 389hp so I would love any input as to what else I could do to finish it all off,
Mods so far
Comp cam 224/228
Pacey 4into1,s
Metal cats
Twin 3"
25%UDP
Comp Valve springs
Ported and polished TB
Maffless tune.

I don't want to change anything I already have as the cam I love etc but are looking to see if there is anything that may tip it over the 400 mark eg:Manifold,rockers,pushrods etc.

I am not that obsessed with chasing a figure that varies from dyno to Dyno just looking to see if anything else would make any sort of difference.

Cheers Daz

[Ridin-High]

Driveline Mods eg. Diff ratio and transmission

[IH8FORDS]

How much ar you willing to spend to get the extra 10hp?
Maybe a ported ls6 manifold, im sure you already have one:) (not ported)
Or fast unit with the 90mm t/b?
Although i think the rockers will get you there the cheapest.

Luke

[RED R8]

Driveline Mods eg. Diff ratio and transmission

I have a Tex,ripshift and 3.9's (Thanks to Mitch)


How much ar you willing to spend to get the extra 10hp?
Maybe a ported ls6 manifold, im sure you already have one:) (not ported)
Or fast unit with the 90mm t/b?
Although i think the rockers will get you there the cheapest.

Luke

I don't want to waste money if its just not worth it but if rockers etc looked like reasonable BFYB I would consider them, I do have standard manifold and standard but polished TB.What will the rockers do?? allow more lift etc or reduce friction??

[LS1TOY]

rockers will allow for more lift and a lighter weight will give a tiny boost. failing that come to melbourne and throw it on a dyno its freezin!
JAke

[michaels1v8]

how about a set of heads? not exactly BFYB but should get you there and I hear they make to car nicer to drive....

[cosmo vyss]

What about an otr? Maybe bigger headers as well.

JB

[Ridin-High]

TUrbo :D ??

[RED R8]

Trying not to go more than $1000 to get it .Also have OTR

[TommyVTss]

i would probably go the rockers aswell they should net you 10 hp... 1.7's are the go i think even 1.8s

tom

[KPWISHN]

Run it on 113 octane fuel.

[mustanger]

Hey Daz, If you can organize an envelope with $500 in unmarked bills inside, I am sure I can organize a dyno readout with another 10-12 hp.:hide: :D Cheers John

[RED R8]

Hey Daz, If you can organize an envelope with $500 in unmarked bills inside, I am sure I can organize a dyno readout with another 10-12 hp.:hide: :D Cheers John
I could go back to my origonal tuner and show 450rwhp but would like to back it up.

Its more about exhausting all avenues to say ok everthing that nets a result (within reason) has been done.


Run it on 113 octane fuel.

BANG..:confused::confused:

[LS1Grange]

10 more horses hey....head down to Ascot

you had to know there was gonna be a non serious reply in there somewhere :rofl:

[RED R8]

10 more horses hey....head down to Ascot

you had to know there was gonna be a non serious reply in there somewhere :rofl:

Funny bugger..Don't make me come down there and.......err nothing I forgot your 9 foot.

continue...

[The_Senator]

Blower Vac!! With external NOS Feed.. Works a treat :rofl:

Click here (http://http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/5/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm) for confirmation! And it's all "Bolt On"!

[HSVJPL]

If your T/B is the std 78mm a larger one from TBA etc should give you around 10hp with your current mods, reasonably cheap option too.

[RED R8]

Blower Vac!! With external NOS Feed.. Works a treat :rofl:

Click here (http://http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/5/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm) for confirmation!

Thought about it but too hard to drive ,blow and squirt all at one time:confused:.

[The_Senator]

Thought about it but too hard to drive ,blow and squirt all at one time:confused:.

Is it.. Is it Really? :rofl:

It's only for those "dyno pulls" where pulling the filter is just not enough..

[BigJim]

Upgrade to a 78mm TBA throttlebody. You can pick them up for $500 odd and people have been saying they have gotten 10hp to 12hp and really noticed the crispness they give. Get tune adjusted to suit it. Worth a try.

Also next time it gets dynoed run some 15inch stock wheels with 215s on it and you will pick up some power. :lmao:

[BOSSONNOS]

Go with some 1.8 rockers, they will get you there.

[RED R8]

Go with some 1.8 rockers, they will get you there.

Could I run these with my size cam ?? if so they are looking attractive.

[OUTAtheBloo]

Shouldn't you put your car back on Dan's dyno, get that result and then work out how much more hp your going to need ? I was told that yesterdays dyno was actually reading high ?

Your like me Daz, your doing your research I know, I'm still interested in what else is out there to give that bit extra :)

How much more lift do roller rockers give a cam ?

Dan

[SICK SS]

what about TB or fast manifold

[BOSSONNOS]

Could I run these with my size cam ?? if so they are looking attractive.

Had another look at your specs, my mistake, go with the 1.7's, BFYB mod.

[EXCESSV]

i said in a earlier today mate in another thread you need some Roller Rockers to get you that extra 10rwhp and its been confirmed here now.




do i get some commission for mentioning it first :1peek:

[INSINR8R]

just race people down hill... there's your 10hp right there

[RIDE:42]

put a set of TR6 plugs in and 50psi in the rear tyres

[Oztrack Tuning]

Just pick the right dyno :)

now seriously - there may be room in the tune. The problem is that an edge dyno tune wont be able to be driven on the road and not knock usually. The moment its off the dyno it will behave differently.
The obvious tactical choice with mods is definitely the TB - i gained over 10rwk from a ported 80mm BBK (and metal cats) over a ported stock TB. Maybe the ported BBK TB was worth at least 5rwkw of the gain.

Large metal cats might help. Lighter wheels on the rear. Expensive mods are Fast 90mm and Electric water pump.

[Vulture]

389rwhp with your current mods sounds a little on the optimistic side even for an M6? I think you'll find you've got more than 10rwhp to make up in reality. Why chase 400 just for the sake of pub bragging rights?

BTW, don't you need 11rwhp? :stick:

[burnout9]

take the air filter out maybe :up2sum::p

[Vulture]

If your cam is an off the shelf 224/228 then 1.8 rockers look like they will increase the lift a bit (still below .600).

Your 0.534 inlet goes to 0.565
Your 0.537 exhaust goes to 0.569

Which makes it have similar lift to the off the shelf 222/224 :eyes:

Combine that lift with some heads and you'll be laughing. Just have to check with someone who knows about these things whether the 1.8 rockers put too much stress on the valve train with that cam as profiles and ramp rates and all that come into it.

[OUTAtheBloo]

Daz's cam is already a high lift model around the 580 mark i think he said..

I agree though, would be a great cam with heads, id still love to do heads one day to my off the shelf 224/228.

Dan

[Vulture]

Daz's cam is already a high lift model around the 580 mark i think he said..

I agree though, would be a great cam with heads, id still love to do heads one day to my off the shelf 224/228.

Dan


Mmm, I think it might be too much then with the 1.8s. Anyone about who has some real knowledge on this? Oztrack?

P.S. heads are great! :jester:

[RED R8]

389rwhp with your current mods sounds a little on the optimistic side even for an M6? I think you'll find you've got more than 10rwhp to make up in reality. Why chase 400 just for the sake of pub bragging rights?

BTW, don't you need 11rwhp? :stick:


Only joking about chasing 400 its just a round figure, just seeing what else I can do to exhaust all avenues.

I know some cars ran lower than expected on sunday and some higher so who knows whos dyno's more acurate.
Rockers seem to be worthy at the moment ,just waiting for Dan (Bloo) to fit some heads then give me some feedback.
Part of the reason my car may have read 16rwkws more on sunday compared to Dans may have been the addition of the ported and polished TB plus going from twin 2.5 to twin 3" its due to go to Dans for a tweak so I will see what it reads on Chippy's.

[EXCESSV]

10rwhp = Daz on a diet :hide:










sorry mate couldnt resist

[RED R8]

10rwhp = Daz on a diet :hide:










sorry mate couldnt resist

OUCH..........:bawl::bawl::bawl:

[mustanger]

Gees ,you guys over there in Perth go for the kill.:jester:

[RED R8]

Gees ,you guys over there in Perth go for the kill.:jester:

Hes just saying that cause my car made heaps more power than his.:moon:

[EXCESSV]

OUCH..........:bawl::bawl::bawl:
:lmao::lmao::lmao:just kidding daz....


Hes just saying that cause my car made heaps more power than his.:moon:all i need to do was move the temp prob on my engine and 400rwhp easy..:lol:
just wait till the quad 3" goes on mate...:lmao:


Gees ,you guys over there in Perth go for the kill.:jester:you think its bad on the forum...when we get together for a cruise or get together like yesterday...its on for young and old

[saj]

Hes just saying that cause my car made heaps more power than his.:moon:

No, hes just saying that because your fat !

[RED R8]

No, hes just saying that because your fat !
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::flipoff:

[EXCESSV]

No, hes just saying that because your fat !:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

i can picture it now on the next dyno run...
daz car on dyno...to the left his OTRCAI filter, spare tyre, jack, etc and daz running on the rollers for the extra HP
run daz run!

[VYSHSV8]

If your cam is an off the shelf 224/228

No its a custom SQP and Chipmaster cam spec

Daz easy to make 10 hp loosen the straps

[Troy-77]

Hey Daz,

How bout some Lucus injectors to feed your beast more food.:driving:

[RED R8]

Hey Daz,

How bout some Lucus injectors to feed your beast more food.:driving:

Thanks Troy for some sensable imput some are not taking my call for help seriously they should be taking note of some great ideas (Except saj his car is already mental).


:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

i can picture it now on the next dyno run...
daz car on dyno...to the left his OTRCAI filter, spare tyre, jack, etc and daz running on the rollers for the extra HP
run daz run!

Oh lets pic on the slightly overweight but very good looking bloke night is it.....

I couldn't find my dyno graph to scan so I used Deans.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/Dazvyss/HouseofPower-DynoDay.jpg

Yeah now who needs to run on the rollers...


lol by the way.

[jaykay]

I couldn't find my dyno graph to scan so I used Deans.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/Dazvyss/HouseofPower-DynoDay.jpg

What's your laptop in the car on the blink Daz ?

[RED R8]

It twas JK.

[Tre-Cool]

whats with the Rpm's at the bottom?

that's some high revving v8's

:lol:

[RED R8]

whats with the Rpm's at the bottom?

that's some high revving v8's

:lol:
Not actualy sure why they showed such high RPM might ask Mitch about that one.

[UD_LOSE]

Notice everyone's rpm was way out?? what causes that??

Ahh you all beat me to it :rofl:

[OUTAtheBloo]

Only joking about chasing 400 its just a round figure, just seeing what else I can do to exhaust all avenues.

I know some cars ran lower than expected on sunday and some higher so who knows whos dyno's more acurate.
Rockers seem to be worthy at the moment ,just waiting for Dan (Bloo) to fit some heads then give me some feedback.
Part of the reason my car may have read 16rwkws more on sunday compared to Dans may have been the addition of the ported and polished TB plus going from twin 2.5 to twin 3" its due to go to Dans for a tweak so I will see what it reads on Chippy's.

I think theres more chance of you fitting heads to your setup than to mine Daz. I cant see myself justifing 4k for heads. Although my feeling is it would be awesome, and give the car alot more everywhere. Would be nice for the circuit.

No no evil voices NO I SAID !!!!! :jester:

Dan

[RED R8]

I think theres more chance of you fitting heads to your setup than to mine Daz. I cant see myself justifing 4k for heads. Although my feeling is it would be awesome, and give the car alot more everywhere. Would be nice for the circuit.

No no evil voices NO I SAID !!!!! :jester:

Dan

Heads seem to be very pricey for mixed results.
Fight the voices Dan.

[OUTAtheBloo]

I wont need more hp anyway, i just need brakes and RE55's for the next meet at wanneroo, im sure they will make a bigger difference than 4k on heads. Depends what you want Daz, a magic dyno number or track number.

Do you really want that 400hp number, or crack that 11 ? Im sure you can crack the 11 without the need of 10 more hp :)

Dan

[RED R8]

I wont need more hp anyway, i just need brakes and RE55's for the next meet at wanneroo, im sure they will make a bigger difference than 4k on heads. Depends what you want Daz, a magic dyno number or track number.

Do you really want that 400hp number, or crack that 11 ? Im sure you can crack the 11 without the need of 10 more hp :)

Dan

The way I see it if my car ran the same numbers as Adams and he's ran a 11.5 I should be able to crack an 11xx but Wanneroo is something I would like to try.I am very happy if I dont spend another dollar on my car just to drive and enjoy it,I would say I have pretty much done all that needs doing, I think I just need to be more forcefull to the evil voices.

[SS Enforcer]

Get the heads,fast intake and a 90mm tb. That will complete your motor with everything basically done. Why go for 10 hp when you can get another 30-50 rwhp :smilesandbanana: I know it's only money .

cheers

[vyssbeast]

Daz have you considered gettin the standard heads worked on?

I think you are looking at about 2500, which is more than you want to spend but the way i see it, better spend 2500 on something that will net a noticable and decent result opposed to 1000 just to give you that extra 10rwhp. From what ive read heads will improve drivablity torque and smoothness.

So IMO save the 1000 for when you can do something abit more worth it.

And you car can definatly crack an 11 as it is, i mean 12.1 on your first attempt is pretty bloody good. SO no need to rush into spending $$, you xforce has barely carboned up mate!! (then again i wish i was you lol)

Good luck n keep us updated

[Delco]

Not actualy sure why they showed such high RPM might ask Mitch about that one.

Dyno operator not setting up properly for each car :(

[EXCESSV]

Oh lets pic on the slightly overweight but very good looking bloke night is it.....

I couldn't find my dyno graph to scan so I used Deans.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/Dazvyss/HouseofPower-DynoDay.jpg

Yeah now who needs to run on the rollers...


lol by the way.its ok mate i think i need to be on the rollers more than you for the weight loss...:bawl:

i charge for using my dyno graph mate...and come on it was only 32rwhp more but man thats a big gap between mine and yours
Wheres your AFR part mate?

[ASSASIN]

I should read more before opening my mouth

[EXCESSV]

Daz what about an underdrive pulley set should see some extra hpalready has a 25%UDP



Seriously Daz as Troy said some bigger and better injectors, then some Roller Rockers and then a retune by Dan should see you well past the extra 10rwhp

[RED R8]

Do you think my car my bennifit from injectors,will it be at the limit of the stockers ?

[VYSSion]

Shame the RPM's are incorrect - that's handy info, especially when heading down the drags. :confused:

[Delco]

already has a 25%UDP



Seriously Daz as Troy said some bigger and better injectors, then some Roller Rockers and then a retune by Dan should see you well past the extra 10rwhp


Never seen any hp from a underdrive yet , removing the belt completely yields 5 kw so slowing it all down is going to do little.

Injectors wont help until 95% duty cycle is exceeded.

Roller rockers , ell this is a pretty agressive profile anyway , possibly some frictional gains from RR but more reliability.


If you want more hp we can do a dyno run with it unstrapped and the temp probe in the engine bay like everyone else does :confused:

[mustanger]

If you want more hp we can do a dyno run with it unstrapped and the temp probe in the engine bay like everyone else does :confused:[/QUOTE]

That would be the easiest way to do it.:dance::hide:

[WraithGTO]

Daz your car is excellent the way it is.
It sounds like pure horn and has the magic numbers(HP) to go with it

For the mods you have done to the car and the results in HP for the mods are excellent. Iam sure many a member would be proud of your numbers on there cars

Maybe the Roller Rockers could give you the extra 10hp But how extra strain and stress on the motor for that 10Hp?


Its a hard thing the HP bug, and very hard to fight it off.

All I can say is Your car is impressive with impressive numbers

Just my thoughts

[VYSSion]

Yeah, I gotta agree with that. Get yourself geared up for the track later in the year and work on your numbers down there - be easier to improve than the dyno numbers - and more relevant.

PLUS - if you go bigger, I'll get jealous and have to do the same. :rofl:

PS - Validate meeeee!!!! :)

[RED R8]

Daz your car is excellent the way it is.
It sounds like pure horn and has the magic numbers(HP) to go with it

For the mods you have done to the car and the results in HP for the mods are excellent. Iam sure many a member would be proud of your numbers on there cars

Maybe the Roller Rockers could give you the extra 10hp But how extra strain and stress on the motor for that 10Hp?


Its a hard thing the HP bug, and very hard to fight it off.

All I can say is Your car is impressive with impressive numbers

Just my thoughts

Thanks for the kind words mate 48hrs on and I think I should just call it a day and enjoy the car , its a fine line on how much more $$$ do you want to throw at the car when an upgrade may not be too far away and ultimately the Hp is great for the cam size etc.


Yeah, I gotta agree with that. Get yourself geared up for the track later in the year and work on your numbers down there - be easier to improve than the dyno numbers - and more relevant.

PLUS - if you go bigger, I'll get jealous and have to do the same. :rofl:

PS - Validate meeeee!!!! :)

I we keep it as is to save us BOTH the $$$.

I sent off a PM for Validation yesterday you might want to also get JK to send one.

[BT 57 WA]

this is so easy

just find someone with a dyno figure at around 400, get there rego plates and put them on your car, take a picture and put the dyno sheet with the pic of your car. simple

oh and i bet you com out with heaps of change from your $1000
too


but seriously, who did the original tune??

i have been at robs (house of power) and watched him tuning a modified ls1 ute that had a tune in already and he played around and found another 40 to 50 horse power.

maybe you should give that a go.

[Delco]

i have been at robs (house of power) and watched him tuning a modified ls1 ute that had a tune in already and he played around and found another 40 to 50 horse power.

maybe you should give that a go.

Temp probe will do that , it would need to be a seriously bad tune to be that far off , maybe 5-10 hp is more realistic.

[RED R8]

Temp probe will do that , it would need to be a seriously bad tune to be that far off , maybe 5-10 hp is more realistic.

I didnt think there was 50hp left in your tune Dan:eyes: maybe the .2hp I needed ..lol

[Timmay5.7]

Thanks for the kind words mate 48hrs on and I think I should just call it a day and enjoy the car , its a fine line on how much more $$$ do you want to throw at the car when an upgrade may not be too far away and ultimately the Hp is great for the cam size etc.

Until the next cruise anyway... :stick:
Then there will be a "Still looking for 10hp" thread... :)

[`redoctober]

Under the bed.

[BT 57 WA]

well i guess it was a bad tune in the 1st place, but then again this car started with 380 odd and ended with 428 from memory.

[The_Senator]

Simple, easy and cost effective..

Inflate your rears to 50PSI before the dyno run! I am told it's good for a bit better reading...

then deflate on your way home - and a bit more serruptitiously than your filter replacement on sunday! :-) :lmao:

[saj]

but seriously, who did the original tune??

i have been at robs (house of power) and watched him tuning a modified ls1 ute that had a tune in already and he played around and found another 40 to 50 horse power.

maybe you should give that a go.

And do you believe penis pumps work too ?

[EXCESSV]

And do you believe penis pumps work too ?they dont work :confused: :lmao:

[RED R8]

serruptitiously

Easy for you to say.


they dont work :confused: :lmao:

yours didn't:rofl:.

[OUTAtheBloo]

Is 10hp all your really want Daz ? Or do ou think sometime in the future some more HP will be the go ??

I honestly believe your car needs a very nicely polished Twin Screw Supercharger that will give you a nice juicey 400rwkw of flat power curve :drool::jester:

(just so i know how cool it is before i do it, maybe one day, i really hope)

DAM VOICES !!!

Dan

[EXCESSV]

yours didn't:rofl:.
cant improve upon perfection i guess :lol:

[RED R8]

Is 10hp all your really want Daz ? Or do ou think sometime in the future some more HP will be the go ??

I honestly believe your car needs a very nicely polished Twin Screw Supercharger that will give you a nice juicey 400rwkw of flat power curve :drool::jester:

(just so i know how cool it is before i do it, maybe one day, i really hope)

DAM VOICES !!!

Dan

stopp th th the voices th they are saying bl bl blowwer..HELP.:rofl:

[EXCESSV]

stopp th th the voices th they are saying bl bl blowwer..HELP.:rofl:Daz give me the money mate...i will look after it for you :up2sum:

[RED R8]

cant improve upon perfection i guess :lol:

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Darkrayne]

Lol.. I don't think Perfection is attainable.. may be able to get close but.. since when have we ever been happy sitting at one power level for more than a few months lol haha :D

DR

[RED R8]

Lol.. I don't think Perfection is attainable.. may be able to get close but.. since when have we ever been happy sitting at one power level for more than a few months lol haha :D

DR

Where's the pics of my car DR ????:confused:

[jaykay]

Where's the pics of my car DR ????:confused:
He's trying to photoshop the dyno pic to show another 10hp... :rofl:

[evo4-140]

Temp probe will do that, it would need to be a seriously bad tune to be that far off, maybe 5-10 hp is mTemp probe will do that, it would need to be a seriously bad tune to be that far off, maybe 5-10 hp is more realistic.

Spoke to Rob. House of power guarantee.
Will run your car on dyno with same variables. Intake sensor temps will stay the same. Same tension on the straps. Customer can stay and watch that there is no manipulation.
Will do a before and after runs in shoot out mode.
Won’t charge for tune if variables changed or if no power increase.
Leaves the creative dyno tuning for all other turkeys in Perth to fight for.

[EXCESSV]

Leaves the creative dyno tuning for all other turkeys in Perth to fight for.GOLD :lmao: nicely said scott

[BT 57 WA]

seems some ppl who do tunes are feeling some added pressure from new competition in perth.


mmmm this could be one to watch.

[RED R8]

seems some ppl who do tunes are feeling some added pressure from new competition in perth.


mmmm this could be one to watch.

There is a couple of great workshops in Perth that I dont mind handing my hard earnt coin to and its because they have been doing it for years and have the runs on the board.Don't know who your referring to but there are some excellent stores in Perth that won't ever have to worrie about business (lucky us hey).

[Tre-Cool]

seems some ppl who do tunes are feeling some added pressure from new competition in perth.


mmmm this could be one to watch.
The problem with all these new tuning shops popping up, is you as the customer are paying for them to develop thier skills.

There is more to tuning then just juggling numbers on a screen and looking at other peoples tunes from a cd.

[evo4-140]

The problem with all these new tuning shops popping up, is you as the customer are paying for them to develop thier skills.

I would prefer to pay someone who is actually going to show some interest in my car and tune my car to get best and safe power, rather than just slap a cut and paste tune. I don’t care how long they have been around as long as the product I am paying for is supreme.

[BT 57 WA]

well tech9 homie-o

looks like you have put an end to this post ah?

guess ppl cant argue with factual information, and go into hiding. probly trying to be creative tuners.

[RED R8]

well tech9 homie-o

looks like you have put an end to this post ah?

guess ppl cant argue with factual information, and go into hiding. probly trying to be creative tuners.

Still dont know the Tuners you guys are on about..:confused:

Spit it out what are you trying to say...

[VYSHSV8]

Still dont know the Tuners you guys are on about..:confused:

Spit it out what are you trying to say...

Agreed Daz, if he is talking about your Tuner Daz he better learn to read back about 7yrs at least coz your tuner (Daz's) tuner and a friend of mine was actually 1 of the first if not the first to bring in the software and has been designing alot of files for a certain software maker.....

[evo4-140]

I think you guys may have missed the point I was trying to make. A lot of tuners out there manipulate dyno reading to maintain a horsepower level. My point that I was making is that House of Power will guarantee a true and accurate figure. Not trying to single out people who don’t do this, just highlighting a shop (House of Power) that is willing to give a guarantee. Hopefully other shops will also offer this no bullshit dyno readings guarantee.

[saj]

I would have thought its not good business sense for a tyre shop to get involved in a slanging match against tuning businsses that have been around for years. Between Chipmasters and Street Tuna they have probaly tuned 80% of ls1 cars in WA and to claim you can get 40-50 extra hp on there tunes shows either your ignorance or disonesty witch arent good traits for a new business to show potential custumers. If they are that good where are the results- Drags, circut, street, dyno comp? any thing would be a good start.

[RED R8]

I think you guys may have missed the point I was trying to make. A lot of tuners out there manipulate dyno reading to maintain a horsepower level. My point that I was making is that House of Power will guarantee a true and accurate figure. Not trying to single out people who don’t do this, just highlighting a shop (House of Power) that is willing to give a guarantee. Hopefully other shops will also offer this no bullshit dyno readings guarantee.

I hear ya ,Mine made 276wrkws on my tuners dyno then 289rwkws on house of powers so a difference of 13rwkws but have added a ported polished TB and went from twin 2.5 to twin 3" cat back since the 276rwkws so the 13rwkw increase on Robs dyno seemed justified.I have heard people say Chipmasters Dyno reads low but I feel its just exact and I would rather leave his shop after parting with lotsa money with say 300rwkws then do a dyno day and walk away with say 320rwkws than have it the other way round.There were some people on Sunday very disapointed because their cars didnt make what it made on the tuners dyno's so I hear what your saying but fortunatly that over-reading problem doesn't apply to my car.:bow::bow:

My main reason for this thread was to ask what else can I do bolt on wise to try and extract anymore power ,My tune and cam etc is as good as anyone could ask for...So any other options???

[BLQWN]

You should re-run it on Dans again to see what you have on his..you might need 15..haha, it never ends

[SS Enforcer]

Won’t charge for tune if variables changed or if no power increase.
Leaves the creative dyno tuning for all other turkeys in Perth to fight for.

Sweeping statements like this do absolutely nothing to enhance the prospects of you or the tuner you are trying to promote. :confused:

ANY tuner can make power and most can wring every last KW out of a car if a big number is whats wanted but at a cost.. But what will it drive like ?

Which Perth tuners were you refering too ? The Perth guys that sponsor on here have an excellent reputation for good work, I have not seen any complaints over the last 4 years

Some advice if you want to quote a post just click the quote button in the thread ..... or maybe you should stick to fitting retreads.

cheers

[evo4-140]

Man, hit a nerve. Where should i start. From the top.

I would have thought its not good business sense for a tyre shop to get involved in a slanging match against tuning businsses that have been around for years. Between Chipmasters and Street Tuna they have probaly tuned 80% of ls1 cars in WA and to claim you can get 40-50 extra hp on there tunes shows either your ignorance or disonesty witch arent good traits for a new business to show potential custumers. If they are that good where are the results- Drags, circut, street, dyno comp? any thing would be a good start.

Cause I own a tyre shop, does this hinder my ability to have an opinion. I do believe that a public forum is a designated place for people to have a discussion. I have owned a brand new Gen3 and am currently working on a 6.0 lt. I am next to House of Power and get to see what is happening there first hand.
I think you have gone beyond missing the point and shot into stupidity. I said that he would run your car first to give you a point of reference. As you should know dynos are not all the same. So a point of reference is needed so you can see what difference the tune has made. At no point have I singled out any other tuners and will stress the point. I am highlighting that HOP will guarantee that he will not manipulation the dyno or figures. So whatever increase you get is accurate and guaranteed.
As for results, wait and see for next years drag season. As you said proof is in the pudding and it will be shown. As for street why don’t we have end all bull shit and bring your car down and test it out against some cars in our stable down here. If anything, would good for some fun. We got nothing to hide or to be dishonest about and would kindly show you.

[jonno1978]

From an Autoeleccy's point of veiw, how good is your earthing on your coil packs. I simply run a 50mm earth from the body to the negative on the battery to one side of the coil packs to the other side of the coil pack then to the other side of the body. Doing this can pick up anywhere up to 15kw. 4mtrs of 50mm cable with lugs will cost you around $50 w,sale. Let me know how u go

[Proauto]

The problem with all these new tuning shops popping up, is you as the customer are paying for them to develop thier skills.

There is more to tuning then just juggling numbers on a screen and looking at other peoples tunes from a cd.

Well said! That's why here at Pro Auto, we have our own business vehichles to develop our skills with tuning, enhancement work, knowledge etc. We bought the VESS V Auto, VZ Coupe - Harrop Supercharger, VY SS - Cam etc. to ensure we are always learning and keeping up with the latest hardware.

You can produce big numbers etc, but what really matters is how the car drives after the tune!:burnout:

[RED R8]

Well said! That's why here at Pro Auto, we have our own business vehichles to develop our skills with tuning, enhancement work, knowledge etc. We bought the VESS V Auto, VZ Coupe - Harrop Supercharger, VY SS - Cam etc. to ensure we are always learning and keeping up with the latest hardware.

You can produce big numbers etc, but what really matters is how the car drives after the tune!:burnout:

I couldn't agree more ,to me dynos are just too varied as we all know it can be manipulated and is nothing more than a tuning tool , next is the track well that's just as inaccurate I have beaten many cars (mine bolt on) with theirs having twice the power prime example is Adam (Attnskr) his ute has run 11.5 (awesome time) and I wanted to know what sort of HP it takes to run an 11.5 and I found out on sundays dyno day mine made 389rwhp and Adams made 389rwhp so it not just power that gives you a good Quarter mile time there are a number of factors eg:driver, setup,grip etc.What is important to me is how the car drives/behaves eg:Does it keep wanting to stall,hunt,ping,or is the economy sh1thouse etc mine drives better (smoother) cammed than it did bolt on economy is same as bolt on the dyno numbers are not a factor (just wank factor) and the drag times I can work on ,so again I will say a great tune is way more than drag slips and dyno graphs to have all three though is the perfect tune.

[VYSSion]

Anyway... back on topic :stick:.. I reckon using ULX110 is worth a try. One of the guys at my work races rally cars and he reckons he got 8kw extra in his car just from changing the oil! Been mentioned on here before I think... http://www.ulx110.com/

PS - Dan, can you please chuck this in my ute when the cam is done? :eyes:

[RED R8]

Anyway... back on topic :stick:.. I reckon using ULX110 is worth a try. One of the guys at my work races rally cars and he reckons he got 8kw extra in his car just from changing the oil! Been mentioned on here before I think... http://www.ulx110.com/

PS - Dan, can you please chuck this in my ute when the cam is done? :eyes:

Sounds like the good oil you try it and let me know....:confused:

[EL SLAMO]

Some advice if you want to quote a post just click the quote button in the thread ..... or maybe you should stick to fitting retreads.

cheers

Nasty Nasty....
There has been no slander of any named workshop here.. unlike some other recent threads, so there is no need to carry on with rubbish like that SS Enforcer.

[evo4-140]

Some advice if you want to quote a post just click the quote button in the thread ..... or maybe you should stick to fitting retreads.

Thanks for heads up champ.

[RED R8]

Just to clear things up I have no issues whatso ever and I don't feel Tech9 or HOP have directed any specific digs at any one store,I think it has been blown out of proportion to some degree and I am very grateful you guys opened your stores up to us lot for the DVD get together.The old tuner Vs tuner wars seem to never end but I know there are alot of good competent stores around with many happy customers so lets just keep it on track and just keep doing what we do best.

[EL SLAMO]

Just to clear things up I have no issues whatso ever and I don't feel Tech9 or HOP have directed any specific digs at any one store,I think it has been blown out of proportion to some degree and I am very grateful you guys opened your stores up to us lot for the DVD get together.The old tuner Vs tuner wars seem to never end but I know there are alot of good competent stores around with many happy customers so lets just keep it on track and just keep doing what we do best.

Thanks Daz. This has gotten way off track.
Just to clarify what started this was the ute as quoted by BT57WA that gained 40odd HP. I was also present when this occured. What has been failed to mention is the ute's original tune (which, for the record, was not done by any forum sponsor) was poor. It would not idle amongst other things so there was, in this case, a lot of room for improvement. ANY reputable tuner would have made very good power gains from tuning this particular vehicle. The fact that some have taken this the wrong way is dissapointing and without the full story judgement should be reserved.
Tally Ho!

[saj]

Leaves the creative dyno tuning for all other turkeys in Perth to fight for.

I think this is the quote that got things off track.

[RED R8]

I think this is the quote that got things off track.

Roger that.

[VYSHSV8]

Anyway... back on topic :stick:.. I reckon using ULX110 is worth a try. One of the guys at my work races rally cars and he reckons he got 8kw extra in his car just from changing the oil! Been mentioned on here before I think... http://www.ulx110.com/

PS - Dan, can you please chuck this in my ute when the cam is done? :eyes:

Saw it in there today I was wanting to try this stuff myself just dont know where to get it...


Roger that. Third that

[BT 57 WA]

well well

i think things are getting out of hand here.
lets just take a break and look at what we should be talking about? how to find 10hp.

some ppl have posted mechanical, some dyno tuning, etc but it is turning into a slag fest. i do not think anywhere on here that ppl have posted names of mechanical outlets for poor or bad workman ship. they have suggested to try different places of interest that they have had the pleasures of dealing with and had good service and results.

it is up to the original thread person to find answers out of all of this.
now is this the right place to ask for such information??? who knows, but they will only get information from what ppl have tried or tested and worked or not worked for them.

as i used to be in retail sales (car related) i would tell customers who were wanting to spend good amounts of money to shop, ask questions find out as much information that is relevent and make there own decision upon that.

im sure there are mechanical workshops, supply centers etc that could help with this matter and give some great advise.

so i feel that we should back off from the slagging and let the threader search for his information through here and other sources.

good luck

[ATTNSEEKR]

Never seen any hp from a underdrive yet , removing the belt completely yields 5 kw so slowing it all down is going to do little.

Injectors wont help until 95% duty cycle is exceeded.



not sure with underdriven, i never really felt a difference, after that dyno run, spoke to mitch who logged the run, injectors at 114%

daz, you got a intake fuel pump?? :eyes:

[RED R8]

not sure with underdriven, i never really felt a difference, after that dyno run, spoke to mitch who logged the run, injectors at 114%

daz, you got a intake fuel pump?? :eyes:

What does that mean in Daz terms Adam is that a good thing 114% does it mean they are performing better than they should or 14% worse than they should ?

[ATTNSEEKR]

from what i understand, and what dan has said, there maxing out after 95% , so mine are maxxed, awaiting the arrival of new ones.

if this is incorrect, someone point it out :eyes:

[RED R8]

from what i understand, and what dan has said, there maxing out after 95% , so mine are maxxed, awaiting the arrival of new ones.

if this is incorrect, someone point it out :eyes:

Were yours or mine maxxed out Adam? and what injectors are you going too? sorry for all the questions.

[ATTNSEEKR]

Were yours or mine maxxed out Adam? and what injectors are you going too? sorry for all the questions.


mine, got some 60pound ones coming, big now, but will suit boost later

[VYSHSV8]

Daz mine start to max out at only 95% throttle at the strip have seen 108% on mine but that is only for a short time in the very high rev's mate you shouldn't have a prob mate with yours..Dan would be able to let you know.

Daz if you are worried about it get some V6 Supercharged ones they will do fine..

[RED R8]

mine, got some 60pound ones coming, big now, but will suit boost later

Ok thanks....:1peek:

[saj]

What does that mean in Daz terms Adam is that a good thing 114% does it mean they are performing better than they should or 14% worse than they should ?

I was hopeing someone could explain this for us. If both cars are cam only, making the same power why the differance? Does the 20% differance affect fuel econamy or is it the differance in cam size that effects the duty cycle of the injecters? With bigger injecters will Adams car make more power and if Daz put bigger injecters in what would that do? I hope someone can answer these questions because its all gobbally- gook to me.

[VYSHSV8]

Sa what it is saying is that you are running out of fuel( pushing the injectors to the max) although it might be fine atm due to the fact that it your afr's are still fine not to lean, but if you are doing future mods you will need to upsize..( you have hit the limit of that size injector). Its like changing the jets in a carby, larger hole lets more fuel flow for, lets say a stroker, forced induction, where you have more air flowing you need the fuel to match, if you can not supply enough fuel you will never see the full potential of the engine, Saj you should have 42lbs or 60's already in yours...

[RED R8]

I was hopeing someone could explain this for us. If both cars are cam only, making the same power why the differance? Does the 20% differance affect fuel econamy or is it the differance in cam size that effects the duty cycle of the injecters? With bigger injecters will Adams car make more power and if Daz put bigger injecters in what would that do? I hope someone can answer these questions because its all gobbally- gook to me.

Good question Shane is 389hp for both cars at the max of a standard injector??? is it a Hp thing ???

[Delco]

Good question Shane is 389hp for both cars at the max of a standard injector??? is it a Hp thing ???


NO

Either someone has a very inefficient motor and is wasting fuel to make the same power or its not at the limit of the injector really.

Maybe it could be the known issue with ute fuel pumps if not tuned properly , they slow down rather than speed up at WOT if the setting in the tune are wrong , amy be a idea to get it checked if you are over 100% adam , but your tuner should have noticed that when the original tune was done ?

[VYSHSV8]

I know I am wasting fuel in mine thats why I have 11 afr's, haven't got that far tuning it yet bloody LC1 playing up

[A^K^T]

What was the outcome , has a mod been decided on to tip you over the 400hp mark on just about any dyno regardless conditions ?

What was the budget for the ten or so HP ?

[RED R8]

What was the outcome , has a mod been decided on to tip you over the 400hp mark on just about any dyno regardless conditions ?

What was the budget for the ten or so HP ?

Still nothing too conclusive mate I have Tucked abit of money aside and will use it on a Tune tweak (to suit the new TB and 3" cat back) and some new M/T streets and see how she runs come sept.I may then focus on some more cosmetic mods.

[VYSHSV8]

What was the outcome , has a mod been decided on to tip you over the 400hp mark on just about any dyno regardless conditions ?

What was the budget for the ten or so HP ?

2 weeks of hard training and then jump on the rollers to help...

[OUTAtheBloo]

Still nothing too conclusive mate I have Tucked abit of money aside and will use it on a Tune tweak (to suit the new TB and 3" cat back) and some new M/T streets and see how she runs come sept.I may then focus on some more cosmetic mods.

How about this Daz..

5th of July No Speed Limits Wanneroo (ive started a thread)..

It may change your outlook on things :D

Dan

[RED R8]

How about this Daz..

5th of July No Speed Limits Wanneroo (ive started a thread)..

It may change your outlook on things :D

Dan

Saw the thread but too scared to enter....:1peek:

[OUTAtheBloo]

Saw the thread but too scared to enter....:1peek:

Hey if i can do it, im sure you can Daz.

I think your scared if you go, you'll want to start doing other mods instead for track work :lol:

Dan

[RED R8]

Hey if i can do it, im sure you can Daz.

I think your scared if you go, you'll want to start doing other mods instead for track work :lol:

Dan

Exactly Dan I can see it know ,Big brakes,coil overs,track rims and tyres....aaarrrrggghhhhh it never seems to end.




lotsa fun though

I will see how I go Dan.

[EXCESSV]

Exactly Dan I can see it know ,Big brakes,coil overs,track rims and tyres....aaarrrrggghhhhh it never seems to end.

lotsa fun though

I will see how I go Dan.come on daz you know you want to...you were keen on a sprint day
and your insurance company will love you coz its an "advanced driver training course"
fully insured and covered ;)

[VYSSion]

I'd love to do something like that, but having a slush box it'd be too tough on the brakes me thinks.

I still wanna do some testing with the ULX110 engine oil that claims reasonable HP gains. Hopefully one of our sposnors can help me out when I get some of this oil over from SA where it's made? :eyes:

[ATTNSEEKR]

NO

Either someone has a very inefficient motor and is wasting fuel to make the same power or its not at the limit of the injector really.

Maybe it could be the known issue with ute fuel pumps if not tuned properly , they slow down rather than speed up at WOT if the setting in the tune are wrong , amy be a idea to get it checked if you are over 100% adam , but your tuner should have noticed that when the original tune was done ?


running a walbro intank pump, manifold didnt arrive in time to have it tweaked with that on, so im guessing the fast 90/90 has put it off wack a bit. 390hp is good enough, just wanna see a 11.3 or quicker out of the ute.

[RED R8]

come on daz you know you want to...you were keen on a sprint day
and your insurance company will love you coz its an "advanced driver training course"
fully insured and covered ;)

I might in August when you do it....Happy Bday for the other day young fella :jester:

[EXCESSV]

I might in August when you do it....Happy Bday for the other day young fella :jester:well get your fire extinguisher ready coz its definately on for august then with or without the tein coilovers.

thanks re the bday...

[Delco]

running a walbro intank pump, manifold didnt arrive in time to have it tweaked with that on, so im guessing the fast 90/90 has put it off wack a bit. 390hp is good enough, just wanna see a 11.3 or quicker out of the ute.


Manifold etc cant make the PCM command more fuel , it would of had to have been liek that when tuned.

Get the pump controller looked at sounds like it may have a sedan pump control calibration in your car adam.

The sort of hp you are at shouldnt run injectors out

[SS Enforcer]

Hey Daz I found your 10hp mate and cheaper than a head job ...

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/8e/0f/9e76_1.JPG

Just don't use too many at once

Cheers

[RED R8]

Hey Daz I found your 10hp mate and cheaper than a head job ...

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/8e/0f/9e76_1.JPG

Just don't use too many at once

Cheers

I don't know you can get some cheap head jobs in Perth :confused:


You buy them first and try them then report back.:)

[IH8FORDS]

Hey Daz I found your 10hp mate and cheaper than a head job ...

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/8e/0f/9e76_1.JPG

Just don't use too many at once

Cheers

WTF?:confused:
Is that for real, surely no one would put that shit in their car.
Daz have you found that 10 hp yet mate.
Luke

[RED R8]

I am starting to think it may be easier to find a happy dyno as there doesn't seem to be a mod they will definatly give any real benifit unless I want to spend 2-3K for either Fast/Big TB or Heads which I don't want the last 10hp that bad.