F.s. Hx 2 Door Monaro Le Coupe? Whats The Value Please!

[roofmagic]

HELLO, Just wanting to know if anyone can tell me how much to expect to pay fo a HX 2 door coupe? They tell me that it is a genuine monaro but somewhere on the net I read that they were not badged "Monaro's" but classed as them! Is this right? All I could find was an LE HX Coupe but no values. It needs restoring but not too bad really. Also how do I check vin no. etc? Any help appreciated. I intend to buy as an investment & its a 1976 model & the asking price is $8500- Was this the last of the coupes? If so is this a good thing? I looked on ebay to search but nothing like this come up now or in the past. Has anyone seen one sell on ebay at all? Thanks

[ziggycv8z]

Have a look in here and you should find all the details you need. Check the links and the vin decoder.
Cheers

Nick
http://www.monarotraders.com/

[BLQWN]

its a 1976 model & the asking price is $8500-

At that price-buy it anyway:)


Have a look in here and you should find all the details you need. Check the links and the vin decoder.
Cheers

Nick
http://www.monarotraders.com/

Thanks for the link, havn't seen that one before.
cheers

[roofmagic]

Thanks so far guys but I need more info if possible? I checked the link but couldn't find any info on them other than a couple of pics. Anyone know anything else much appreciated as I am hoping to do a deal next week. Thanks

[ziggycv8z]

Have a look at this link. It explains that the monaro name was dropped. Has a couple of pics which shows the LE in the only colour made. As for the value I would think that $8 500.00 sound fair for a complete car.

Sample vin no. 8Q37TGH8#####X

8 = GMH
Q37 = LE Coupe in the HX model
T = 308
G = 1/9/76 - 30/8/77
H7-H9 = Sydney
##### = sequence no.
X = HX

This is only my understanding of it. You should do your own checks on it.


Cheers

Nick
http://http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_holden_monaro.htm

[NewVLT]

They were a runout special, just like the VL Calais wagons, and the very last of the two-door H-series coupes.

From what I've read on them they're still very much considered Monaro's by Monaro car clubs. Even though they're amongst the best looking of the two-doors (in a seventies kind of way) I doubt they'll ever appreciate the way other performance models have. The emphasis was on luxury, not outright performance. The original factory prototype does the rounds of the car shows here in Adelaide every now and then.

Always good to see one in good shape though.

[ilovebeer]

great site. thanks.....Ross.

[Pickles]

Yes, this is a good site, infact it's probably THE best site on the net, for matters RELATIVE TO IT.
Consequently, if you are serious about buying a classic Monaro, you should contact the relevant MONARO people, & the best place to start would be the Monaro Club in your state, where members "live & breathe" these cars.
$8500 is nothing for a car such as you describe--it must need PLENTY of work. I'm not an expert on these things, but I do know that these cars are worth PLENTY when they're ORIGINAL, & also that you will have very great difficulty obtaining trim & other unique items for this car, which incidentally, was & is, a favourite of mine.
Contact your local Monaro club.
Cheers, Pickles.

[roofmagic]

Well guys, today I became alittle upset when I went to have alook at it to to a deal and I found that my 2 door hx coupe was infact a 4 door gts. Is it still worth buying???????? original 253 4 speed. As you can probably think, I was very dissapointed when I was expecting an original coupe! I have found another one which is a 2 door coupe wich has been shedded all its life, has 25,000 miles on it, lime green, honeycomb wheels & still has the original battery in it. But yer ya right the lady doesn't want to sell it! what would this be worth? I haven't seen it but it has come from a reliable source. Not exactly sure what model it is but you might be able to tell me what year the lime green came in? I will keep you informed over the next day or so because I hope to see it in person & take some pics if they let me? How do I add pics here too??????? Thanks again guys.

[Chris5.7ltr]

A 4 door GTS is still worth a bit of money if it still has the original matching #'s engine.

Last one sold at a Shannons auction (about 3-4 weeks ago) for around $20k I think.
But that was a 308.

[V-Car]

I have found another one which is a 2 door coupe wich has been shedded all its life, has 25,000 miles on it, lime green, honeycomb wheels & still has the original battery in it. ???????

As far as i know, the only Monaro that came with honeycomb wheels was the HX LE, and they were all the same colour i think, dark red/maroon with gold pin stripe and gold wheels.
As others have said though, the LE was basically a special to use up all the 2 door bodies as by the HX, Monaro sales had slowed down somewhat.
IMHO, probably the least desirable of all Monaro's, they had gaudy red cloth interiors and bits added here and there, and the honeycomb wheels looked alot more at home on a Pontiac where they came from.
Basically it was a pimped out 2 door Caprice, not subtle or classy at all.
A nice earlier GTS 350 would be more desirable, but also comes with a much higher price tag.

[michaels1v8]

Hey guys

To dig up an old thread I'm looking to pick up one of these. Having trouble telling if it is a original or not

Can someone check the VIN for me?

AHX116165


cheers

Michael

Edit: Appears I've been given a chassis number. Will chase up VIN asap

[dyno junkie]

Post up the details.

I'm in the Monaro Club.

[macca33]

Michael, the chassis number is what is now referred to as a VIN number.

These were good rigs - albeit not the fire breathers that the HQ 350s were, but they are rare and were the last coupes, thus, were fitted with all the fruit.

cheers

[whitels1ss]

Hey guys

To dig up an old thread I'm looking to pick up one of these. Having trouble telling if it is a original or not

Can someone check the VIN for me?

AHX116165


cheers

Michael

Edit: Appears I've been given a chassis number. Will chase up VIN asap

Michael Australian cars did not have to have VIN Numbers untill 1990
(the 17 digit alpha numeric VIN we have on all cars now which replaced the older type of chassis numbers was not mandatory by law untill 1990 although some makers started using them from 1989.)
So all it will have is a chassis number. :)

[michaels1v8]

Ah ok cheers guys. . Showing my age here haha. Its apparently all original. 5lt and 3speed auto with 260k kms on the clock with honeycomb rims :drool: . $28k a good buy for original condition? Haven't inspected to confirm condition. He reports rust near window on one door and thats about it. Always liked them and was thinking this could be my only chance to pick one up at a half decent price. Its alot of money for an old car though. Decisions decisions!

[Gee]

Michael Australian cars did not have to have VIN Numbers untill 1990
(the 17 digit alpha numeric VIN we have on all cars now which replaced the older type of chassis numbers was not mandatory by law untill 1990 although some makers started using them from 1989.)
So all it will have is a chassis number. :)

Well that's not really correct, manufactures used VINs long before the scheme you mention.

Ziggy's post (#5) above explains the VIN you should be given for an HX LE.

This should be referenced against the details you obtain from seller off the Body Identification Plate. The VIN should have the body number in it.

MODEL (should be 8WQ37XR)
BODY NO. (I don't believe an LE was built anywhere but Sydney, so should therein have "- S" at the end and have H7-H9 for Sydney in the VIN)
TRIM (should be 1923 - 76Z ... being GMH colour combination - trim colour and material combination)
PAINT (should be 567 - 17918 ... paint line number - Dulon shade reference)
TOP
ENG (should be L31)
TRANS (should be M41)
RRAXLE

I dont think there were any factory options on the LE, so all would rear axles were "GU4" i.e. a 3.08 LSD.

Standard equipment that ideally would be still present

A31 POWER WINDOWS
C49 HEATED REAR WINDOW
C60 AIR CONDITIONING (INC. A01 TINTED GLASS - ALL WINDOWS, A02 TINTED LAMINATED WINDSHIELD, K96 55 AMP ALTERNATOR, UA1 HEAVY DUTY BATTERY)
G80 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL
L31 5.0 LITRE
M41 TURBO-HYDRAMATIC 400
N40 POWER STEERING
PE1 POLYCAST WHEELS
U75 POWER OPERATED REAR RADIO AERIAL
XS4 FRONT END AIR DAM & DECK LID SPOILER
XS9 VINYL AND NYLON CLOTH TRIM

All were painted "Limited Edition Red Metallic" (17918) with "Cinnabar" trim (1923 76Z). Seat inserts should be plaid cloth, vinyl sides and backs. There is a lot of black trim too though - dashpad, console, carpet, lower door trims and kick panels. Headlining should be Cinnabar vinyl (long grain pattern) with Caprice style sun visors. The boot should be fully carpeted (same as carpet in cabin) including the wheel cover. They are meant to have an LE insignia insert in the grill badge. Often omitted after resprays etc. is the gold pinstriping and LE insignias.

Little details to look for - it should have the GM 'sports' side mirrors. Rather than the usual moulded jobs the armrest trim should be sewn together with covers overs the mounting screws. Dash and console facias should be burl walnut (imitation :)), console should have cigarette lighter for rear seat passengers, "LE" badge on glove box and have a really flash Pioneer 8 Track cartridge player :)

Sorry if I've made any errors, happy to double check anything once you get more info from seller.

[dogsballs]

just curious, do monaro fanatics worry about about the km's much? obviously less is more preferrable.

or because its a classic, still holds it value.

[whitels1ss]

Well that's not really correct, manufactures used VINs long before the scheme you mention.


The 17 digit alpha numeric VIN that we now use was law from around 1st January 1990. :)

[whitels1ss]

just curious, do monaro fanatics worry about about the km's much? obviously less is more preferrable.

or because its a classic, still holds it value.
Back in and before the 1970's lots of cars only had 5 digit odometers, they would zero and start again when they hit 100,000 .
The problem was you never knew if or how many times it had gone around.
Also an old car may have had the odometer replaced or wound back numerous times so you have to ignore the reading and just judge the car on its own merit, condition and the asking price and whether or not you are happy to pay it.:)
In my opinion far too many people worry about odometer readings.
Plenty of odometers do not tell the truth because they get reset to suck in people who can't see past them. :rofl:

[dogsballs]

cool, exactly what i expected.

[whitels1ss]

Just read a bulletin from NRMA In Australia the 17 digit alpha numeric number had to be stamped on all vehicles built here after 1/01/1989.


http://iagresearch.com.au/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=80

[Gee]

The 17 digit alpha numeric VIN that we now use was law from around 1st January 1990. :)

Sure, I understand. As I said long before Jan 1990, manufacturers such as GM had developed the idea of a VIN (maybe that's where idea for a statutory scheme came from :idea:) which Michael can utilise to ID the car he's considering, rather than there not being such a thing or only having a chassis number to go on, as you were saying.



just curious, do monaro fanatics worry about about the km's much? obviously less is more preferrable.

or because its a classic, still holds it value.

Issues with odometers aside, its still possible to document mileage on cars with excellent history. This has an inflationary effect on the price you will pay :)

Values are all over the place, pretty hard to say what can hold good value these days. I wouldn't pay $28K for an HX LE, but that's because while I really appreciate them I dont personally like them. Other guys do and would and they change hands for more.

Probably not a lot of logic to it all, I'm not really into HJ or HX or any four door car, but then I find myself looking at HZ GTS lately thinking I wouldnt mind one. I've got HQ's but tend to think a truly classic Monaro is an HK, T or G.

I guess one kind of Monaro 'fanatic' would buy on identification and originality before moving on to worrying about condition and kilometers.

But the other kind is going to rebuild and extensively modify so the identification issue is no biggie. YOu can spend a fortune on body work so they probably start there? One of the greatest Monaros ever built IMO (an HQ coupe) was by a member here and its was far from original but it was 100% awesome.

Some hard working and/or lucky bastards (or older enthusiasts who bought before price rises) get to have one or more of each and maybe one in between!

[whitels1ss]

Sure, I understand. As I said long before Jan 1990, manufacturers such as GM had developed the idea of a VIN (maybe that's where idea for a statutory scheme came from :idea:) which Michael can utilise to ID the car he's considering, rather than there not being such a thing or only having a chassis number to go on, as you were saying.





Yes I understand what you are saying mate but these were not exactly the same thing as the "standard" 17 digit VIN we have today which has to be stamped on the car and recorded on the registration. :)

[dyno junkie]

Ah ok cheers guys. . Showing my age here haha. Its apparently all original. 5lt and 3speed auto with 260k kms on the clock with honeycomb rims :drool: . $28k a good buy for original condition? Haven't inspected to confirm condition. He reports rust near window on one door and thats about it. Always liked them and was thinking this could be my only chance to pick one up at a half decent price. Its alot of money for an old car though. Decisions decisions!

Was this car in the foot hills?
If so I may know this car and it's owners.

cheers

[MARTY]

As far as i know, the only Monaro that came with honeycomb wheels was the HX LE, and they were all the same colour i think, dark red/maroon with gold pin stripe and gold wheels.
As others have said though, the LE was basically a special to use up all the 2 door bodies as by the HX, Monaro sales had slowed down somewhat.
IMHO, probably the least desirable of all Monaro's, they had gaudy red cloth interiors and bits added here and there, and the honeycomb wheels looked alot more at home on a Pontiac where they came from.
Basically it was a pimped out 2 door Caprice, not subtle or classy at all.
A nice earlier GTS 350 would be more desirable, but also comes with a much higher price tag.

The honeycomb wheels were an option on HJ+HX monaros and HZ GTS's.

[ATOMICSS]

Back in and before the 1970's lots of cars only had 5 digit odometers, they would zero and start again when they hit 100,000 .
The problem was you never knew if or how many times it had gone around.
Also an old car may have had the odometer replaced or wound back numerous times so you have to ignore the reading and just judge the car on its own merit, condition and the asking price and whether or not you are happy to pay it.:)
In my opinion far too many people worry about odometer readings.
Plenty of odometers do not tell the truth because they get reset to suck in people who can't see past them. :rofl:

Thats true they dont always tell the truth and the ones that go to 100,000 are next to useless these days, but the 1000000 km ones are useful as they do show at least how many ks it's done. Lets face it if the ODO says 260,000km then it may have really done 360,000km but you can be sure it hasnt done 160,000 as no-one would wind an odometer forward.

[michaels1v8]

Update. Car is unlicensed!

Not sure how much work it will be to get it on the road again. Will ask my mechanic to have a look at it next week.

Was originally from Queensland and brought over here (Geraldton) licenced but they never got around to getting it registered here:eyes: Make me question if it is remotely close to passable.

I see restored and rebuilt originals for around 45-60k. Would be nice if I could pick it up for low 20's.

Won't be rushing into it either way.

Question is where the heck to I park it :rofl:

Will need to have a think about it. Head says no save your money for a house deposit after uni. Heart says what are you waiting for.

Quick query, The owner has quoted it as km's but I assume with the age of the car its likely to be miles? Either way it would definately be in need of a motor and gearbox rebuild sometime soon which is some big $$$.

[Pickles]

Motor & Gear Box will be the least of your worries.
Paint & panel will cost an absolute fortune, and if you can find any of the original internal tartan trim, then you'll be an absolute magician.
I like these HX LE's myself.....a great car, last of the Coupes, with all the fruit, BUT, I'm warning you, a "Down" one will soak up your dollars like blotting paper.......and for it to be worth anything at the end of the day, it will have to be 100% original. Good luck with searching for those hard to get bits.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Gee]

The odometer will be in k's.

Unless going ballistic on performance mods, a 308/T400 rebuild really is chicken feed in the overall cost of ownership of an old car.

[michaels1v8]

Cheers guys. Startin to sound like too much trouble. I've seen pics of inside and out and all the details mentioned appear present but i wouldn know or have another to compare to for completeness. I don't want to waste the owners time going out for a look unless i'm serious about buying. And the price i'm willing to pay probabaly wouldn seal the deal anyway. Might just give it a miss and pick up a coupe shell one day and make a replica. . I can see myself wanting to butcher it by uping the power and renewing the interior and couldn bring myself to do that kind of thing to an original. This one just isn't for me. If anyone is interested give me a pm and i'll pass on the owner's details. Appears to be a great example for restoration

[Bonne 65]

Motor & Gear Box will be the least of your worries.
Paint & panel will cost an absolute fortune, and if you can find any of the original internal tartan trim, then you'll be an absolute magician.
I like these HX LE's myself.....a great car, last of the Coupes, with all the fruit, BUT, I'm warning you, a "Down" one will soak up your dollars like blotting paper.......and for it to be worth anything at the end of the day, it will have to be 100% original. Good luck with searching for those hard to get bits.
Cheers, Pickles.

The tartan trim is (was??) available from SMS Auto Fabrics, Portland USA

Web site is worldwideweb.smsautofabrics dot com. Be warned, they take a long time and you better have deep pockets. But the quailty is first class. I bracketed the "was" as it was about 5 years ago I saw it there. But I'd guess they still stock it. Good Luck.
I had to write the web address in that form as for some reason I can't post links till I have 20 posts up......