Melb Members Speed Camera's on the western ring rd ?

[Big123]

To all Melbourne members .I have a question about the speed cameras on the western ring rd.

Where exactly are they located ?

I might be paraniod or something but the
Reason I ask because I've been booked twice last week 2 days apart for doing 6ks over the limit going south towards sunshine ave from PascoeVale rd .

On the ticket it says southbound on the fullaton bridge( Near Calder fwy turnoff) .

I looked today and I cann't see there is even a camera on that bridge .
Where is it ?
I know on the other side going north there is a camera on the Keilor park drv bridge .
But but not on the southbound side .

Can anyone confirm for me there is a camera there ?

[Alex(AUS)]

To all Melbourne members .I have a question about the speed cameras on the western ring rd.

Where exactly are they located ?

I might be paraniod or something but the
Reason I ask because I've been booked twice last week 2 days apart for doing 6ks over the limit going south towards sunshine ave from PascoeVale rd .

On the ticket it says southbound on the fullaton bridge( Near Calder fwy turnoff) .

I looked today and I cann't see there is even a camera on that bridge .
Where is it ?
I know on the other side going north there is a camera on the Keilor park drv bridge .
But but not on the southbound side .

Can anyone confirm for me there is a camera there ?

There is a set of cameras just after the calder park exit heading toward sunshine avenue. The cameras are on the bridge facing you as you go under (they take a photo of your front?).

Alex

[strife]

there is a set on the pascoe vale road underpass.

looking at a ticket now

[Millsy]

theres another set under the 'keilor park drv' overpass, and another at the 'pascoe vale rd' tunnel, there the only 2 sets from the calder fwy exit to pascoe vale rd im pretty sure, apart from the cameras on poles near the sunshine ave exit, but im pretty sure there on the other side for memory, cheers

[mido2k]

Taken from http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/speed_camera_locations_victoria.htm


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Ardeer:
On Top Western Highway Exit Gantry - Geelong bound
Laverton North:
Behind Signs at Boundary Rd Exit - Geelong Bound
Laverton North:
On top of signs at Boundary Rd Exit - Greensborough Bound
Wondong:
Hume Highway 55km nth of Melbourne, prior to Whittlesea-Wallan Overpass
Westgate Bridge:
Cameras in all lanes, both directions - City & Geelong Bound
Caulfield North:
Cnr Dandenong & Orrong Rds - City Bound Lanes
Glenroy:
Pascoe Vale Road Overpass, Western Ring Road - Both Ways
East Keilor:
Behind Keilor Park overpass on Western Ring Road - Outbound lanes
South Yarra:
Monash Freeway, behind signs just before Punt Rd cross-over - City Bound lanes
Rowville:
Intersection Stud Rd & Wellington Rd - All directions
Albert Park:
St Kilda Rd-Union Street Intersection (All directions)
Armadale:
Dandenong Rd-Kooyong Rd intersection
Armadale:
Cnr Dandenong & Orrong Rds (see Caulfield North)
Ashburton:
High St-Summerhill Rd Intersection
Balwyn North:
Doncaster Rd-Gardenier St Intersection
Bayswater:
Baywater-Canterbury Rd Intersection - All directions (4way cam)
Bayswater North:
Canterbury & Dorset Rd Intersection
Bendigo:
Calder Highway-Loddon Valley Highway intersection
Box Hill North:
Elgar Rd-Arnold St Intersection
Box Hill North:
Station-Thames St Intersection
Brighton:
Thomas St-North Rd Intersection
Campbellfield:
Hume Highway(Sydney Rd)-Barry Rd Intersection
Caulfield:
Kooyong-Glen Eira Rd Intersection All
directions (4way cam)
Caulfield North:
Hawthorn-Inkerman St Intersection
Cheltenham:
Charman-Park Rd Intersection
Clayton:
Centre Rd-Springs Rd Intersection
Clayton:
Centre Rd-Buckley St Intersection
Collingwood:
Jonhstone St-Wellington St Intersection
Coburg:
Gaffney St-Syndey Rd Intersection
Coburg:
Coburg Sussex St-Chea St
Croydon:
Mt Dandenong Rd-Dorset Rd Intersection
Dandenong:
Heatherton Rd-Gladstone Rd Intersection
Dandenong:
Princes Highway-Walker St Intersection
Dandenong:
Princes Highway-Webster St Intersection
Doncaster:
Eastern Freeway, Middleborough Rd overpass and
intersection
East Kew:
Harp Rd-Bourke Rd Intersection
East Kew:
Bourke Rd-The Boulevard Intersection
Echuca:
Oglvie Avenue-Murray Valley Highway Intersection
Ferntree Gully:
Burwood Highway-Selman Ave Intersection
Fittzroy:
Smith St-Alexandra Pde Intersection
Fitzroy:
Alexandra Pde-George St Intersection
Fitzroy North:
Brunswick Rd-Nicholson St Intersection
Footscray:
Gordon St-Barkly St Intersection
Geelong:
Shannon Av-Noble St Intersection
Geelong:
La Trobe Terrace-Fyans Rd Intersection
Glen Iris:
Toorak Rd-Glen Iris Rd Intersection
Glen Waverly:
Springvale Rd-High Street Rd Intersection
Greensborough:
Para Rd-Main St Intersection
Hawthorn:
Denmark St-Barkers Rd Intersection
Hawthorn:
Glenferrie Rd-Barkers Rd Intersection
Hawthorn:
Burwood Rd-Glenferrie Rd Intersection
Kew:
Burke Rd-Cotham Rd Intersection
Lower Templestowe:
Manningham Rd-Macedon Rd Intersection
Lower Templestowe:
High St-Lynwood Parade Intersection
Tullamarine:
Airport Drive & Arrival Drive
CBD:
Flinders St-William St Intersection
CBD:
William St-Little Collins St Intersection
CBD:
Elizabeth St-Victoria St Intersection
CBD:
Elizabeth St-La Trobe St Intersection

[mido2k]

Mentone:
Nepean Highway-Warrigal Rd Intersection
Mildura:
Deakin Avenue-Eleventh St Intersection
Mildura:
Deakin Avenue-Thirteenth St Intersection
Mont Albert:
Whitehorse Rd- Intersection
Narre Warren:
Princes Highway-Webb St Intersection
Noble Park:
Princes Highway-Heatherton Rd Intersection
Noble Park:
Heatherton Rd-Corrigan St Intersection
Noble Park:
Corrigan Rd-Lightwood Rd Intersection
Northcote:
Seperation St-Victoria Rd Intersection
Oak Park:
Pascoe Vale Rd-Devon Rd Intersection
Parkville:
Flemington Rd-Gatehouse St Intersection
Rowville:
Stud Rd-Wellington Rd Intersection
Scoresby:
Stud Rd-Ferntree Gully Rd Intersection
South Melbourne:
Montague St-Normanby Rd Intersection
St Albans:
Furlong Rd-St Albans Rd Intersection
St Kilda:
East Alms Rd-Chapel St Intersection
St Kilda:
East Carlisle St-Hotham St Intersection
Sunshine:
Ballarat Rd-Duke St Intersection
Surrey Hills:
Canterbury Rd-Elgar Rd Intersection
Surrey Hills:
Union Rd-Mont Albert Rd Intersection
Thornbury:
St Georges Rd-Normanby Avenue Intersection
Wantirna:
Mountain Highway-Wantirna Rd Intersection
Wantirna:
Boronia Rd-Wantirna Rd Intersection
West Melbourne:
King St-Hawke St Intersection
Windsor:
Dandenong Rd-Chapel St Intersection
Yarraville:
Geelong Rd-Somerville Rd Intersection
Yarraville:
Melbourne Rd-The Boulevard Intersection
Yarraville:
Williamstown Rd-Francis St Intersection
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Travelling to Geelong or beyond?

Westgate Freeway - Princes Highway - Operational.
1. Top of Westgate Bridge
2. Hoppers Crossing Overpass
3. Point Cook Overpass
4. Point Wilson Overpass
5. Little River Overpass
6. Corio
7. Norlane - (just before the waterslide)

Note: These are elapsed time trigger cameras, they estimate your average driving speed between checkpoints. So slowing down before each overpass will not fool them.
Using the Western Ring Road?

Currently Operational
1. Boundary Road - Laverton North
2. Western Highway - Ardeer
3. Calder Freeway - Keilor East
4. Tullamarine Freeway - Tullamarine
5. Pascoe Vale Road - Glenroy
6. High Street - Thomastown
7. Plenty Road
The Eastern Freeway 5 cameras, operational.
The Monash a further 5 cameras in addition to the one that has been operational since 28/12/01. This one is approximately 600 metres from the entrance to the Burnley Tunnel.
The Calder Freeway from Keilor Park Drive to Kyneton has been earmarked for
9 cameras, estimated operational date to be advised.
The Hume Highway to Albury has been earmarked for 11 cameras, estimated operational by 7th June 2002.
Other Highways and main Arterials on the proposed list are as follows;
Western Highway - Ardeer to Ballarat
South Gippsland highway - Dandenong to Phillip Island
Goulburn Valley Highway - Seymour to Shepparton
Princess Highway - Pakenham to Traralgon
Mount Alexander road
Nepean Highway
Dandenong Road
Burwood Highway
Geelong Road
Sydney Road
Springvale Road
Ferntree Gully Road

[O5BRKY]

Western Ring Rd Cameras are radar based now.

[SSV8pilot]

Victoria the place to be.........pinged

Sucks - but you guys are just one step ahead of where we are heading up here (ex Victorian)

[motomk]

To all Melbourne members .I have a question about the speed cameras on the western ring rd.

Where exactly are they located ?

I might be paraniod or something but the
Reason I ask because I've been booked twice last week 2 days apart for doing 6ks over the limit going south towards sunshine ave from PascoeVale rd .

On the ticket it says southbound on the fullaton bridge( Near Calder fwy turnoff) .

I looked today and I cann't see there is even a camera on that bridge .
Where is it ?
I know on the other side going north there is a camera on the Keilor park drv bridge .
But but not on the southbound side .

Can anyone confirm for me there is a camera there ?

Yes they do exist there, however they are very hard to pickup.
They are not mounted on the Fullerton road bridge, they are on the Ring Road Northbound Flyover onto the Calder Freeway. The Fullerton bridge does a good job of hiding them. I would even suggest not looking for them if you are the driver as it might be a bit dangerous to look up at them, eyes a long way off the road.

Here is a picture of their location from Google Earth

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1189035991_49d559d2ce_o.jpg

Actual picture of cameras from a few years ago which I believe have now changed in size.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1400/1189035999_849ae0dc27_o.jpg

motomk

[Alex(AUS)]

Western Ring Rd Cameras are radar based now.

What is the difference?

Alex

[gasguz]

What is the difference?

Alex

I would say that they would be able to get you from further out than they do now. At the moment most of the cameras operate by having the vehicle run over 3 strips in the road which gives them the reading. So realistically you can only be booked from one spot (not before the strips) but with the radar I reckon it would be able to lock onto a speeding vehicle much sooner & probably get more drivers in the process.

Thats what I think anyway, could be wrong though

[muzza]

Having just been pinged for 75 in a 70 zone at the Canterbury/Bayswater Rd Speed/Redlight camera, I did some investigation.

The Gatso cameras can use any of 3 triggering systems:
Piezo strips (these were the ones that said a 120Y was doing 160 on the WRR) I think have been ditched owing to dodgy results.
Induction loops in road GLD4-2S sense the metal of the car passing over - these are used on the aforementioned speed/redlight cameras.
LTR- Loopless Trigger Radar- haven't seen any of these about yet. I suspect they wont use them here so much because radar detectors tend to pick them up when they bounce off other cars ahead.

See http://www.aspecttraffic.com.au/

http://www.gatsometer.com/index.php?p=9138

Unfortunately the picture of my car left not much room for doubt!

Mind you, with virtually no police visible actually ON the roads these days, you could drive around with your number plates obscured and never be picked up!

[nang3]

6 over?? 5 over?? i might have to stop visiting this site due to the inundation of mofo hoons !!!!!!

[Big123]

Is that a joke ?? Hope so .:hmmm:

Anyway , Thanks for all that answered my question.

I was doing booked at 106 ks twice in the same week .And it might also be my tyres that are doing it , 245/30/19 i think they are ?

I'm no hoon , This is my first ticket in 8 years.
I hardly ever speed on the roads , I do my racing at the track ,


6 over?? 5 over?? i might have to stop visiting this site due to the inundation of mofo hoons !!!!!!

[Tre-Cool]

Is that a joke ?? Hope so .:hmmm:

Anyway , Thanks for all that answered my question.

I was doing booked at 106 ks twice in the same week .And it might also be my tyres that are doing it , 245/30/19 i think they are ?

I'm no hoon , This is my first ticket in 8 years.
I hardly ever speed on the roads , I do my racing at the track ,
getting pinged for 5k over is rediculous, especially on a freeway.

I got pinged today for doing 24kmh over because i was on a highway that i dont travel that drops from 80 to 60kmh before a set of lights.

Worst of all is, i was test driving the car for my dad, so i was talking to the owner, testing stereo controls etc and just following the speed of the cars in front. Stopped early for the lights because they were going orange and the wankers still pinged me 50 meters from the lights.

I even explained the situation etc and do you think he'd give me a warning, not a chance.

If that aint revenue i dont know what is.

[mmjlw]

As a general rule if their is a camera facing the speed sign then a speed camera will be comming up soon.

[Gteeez]

Just make sure that if you didn't see the camera, go and look at the photo. The cameras that stand out, ie one for each lane are pretty hard to argue with.

But when one camera is used for multiple lanes, the photo is cropped for each individual vehicle caught in the frame. A fine is then sent to all cars if they were all in the frame at once, so you may end up with 3 cropped photos, and all drivers booked, even though only one was speeding. The traffic camera office just pray on the public in the hope they'll just pay the fine. It gets even better, Magistrates have been instructed to give maximum monetary fines instead of say, driver eductaion courses or licence loss. The government is absolutley cash strapped and its only getting worse. But in their haste, they aint doing it right and I think accept that they may lose a few fines here and there, but they'll probably book a heap of people needlessly.

I had one recently on Springvale Rd, 7.30 on a Sunday morning, humungus speed of 85 in an 80 zone. I knew 2 cars were next to me at the time. Went and looked at the photo, it was cropped. Asked to see the un cropped one. No questions asked, they pulled the fine. Another mate got flashed, went back and took a photo of the camera car with 2 wheels touching the footpath, he got out of that one as they must not impede pedestrian access. Many ways to skin a cat, just have to educate yourself and be persistant with the traffic camera office. They'll only prosecute at court if they have an absolutley rock solid case, one OJ Simpson would have no chance getting out of.

[O5BRKY]

Having just been pinged for 75 in a 70 zone at the Canterbury/Bayswater Rd Speed/Redlight camera, I did some investigation.

The Gatso cameras can use any of 3 triggering systems:
Piezo strips (these were the ones that said a 120Y was doing 160 on the WRR) I think have been ditched owing to dodgy results.
Induction loops in road GLD4-2S sense the metal of the car passing over - these are used on the aforementioned speed/redlight cameras.
LTR- Loopless Trigger Radar- haven't seen any of these about yet. I suspect they wont use them here so much because radar detectors tend to pick them up when they bounce off other cars ahead.

See http://www.aspecttraffic.com.au/

http://www.gatsometer.com/index.php?p=9138

Unfortunately the picture of my car left not much room for doubt!

Mind you, with virtually no police visible actually ON the roads these days, you could drive around with your number plates obscured and never be picked up!

These are the ones on the Western Ring Rd:

http://www.gatsometer.com/index.php?p=9138

[nang3]

how about getting done for 82kph in a 60 zone at about 10pm on a sunday night !!!!!!!!!
but wait, it was a roadworks zone on a 100kph freeway and the roadworks were on the side of the road, no changes made to the freeway lanes so in other words - nothing to impede or distract the traffic flow!!!

how many workers do you think there were working at that time?? Zero!

Biggest waste of police resources IMO !

[muzza]

Gteeez,
By Cropped - what exactly do you mean - how much should be visible in the pic from a speed/redlight cam?

I suspect other cars were in the intersection but I cant see any in front of my car and the far away shot shows my car in the far left of 3 lanes, then a closer up on of my no. plate.

Can you give a bit more detail?

[Gteeez]

G'day Muzza. The photo should show the entire road in front of the camera. The camera's in Vic shoot from the side of the road at a 17 degree angle and capture everything in their field of view. When I was done on Springvale Road, there were 3 lanes. When I looked at the photo, it had been cropped down to just show the lane I was travelling in, not the two next to me. If they hadn't cropped the photo, it would have shown 2 cars in the lanes beside me.

I think they just zoom in on your car. So if the photo is taken say on a 2, 3 or 4 lane Road, and doesn't show all the lanes at the position where your car is, then it has been cropped. Could be a car next to you, but you wouldn't know. I wouldn't be satisfied until they showed me a photo that showed from one side of the road to completely the other. That photo should show no other vehicles in it.

One other point to note. The camera car has to be parked exactly parallel to the side of the road. Might piss the camera operator off, but if you go past one and get flashed, go back with your phone camera and a tape measure and measure him up.

[ratty05]

Not sure if this will help anyone but I was at a course a few months back and it covered 'uncertainty of measurement'. If I'm right then if asked for they have to show calibration records of the camera that caught you and should state on it an 'uncertainty of measurement'. There could be a way for all of us to get off if these figures don't add up.

[O5BRKY]

Here's an interesting one..
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22311243-2862,00.html


Gatso's The radar beam is transmitted at an angle of 20 degrees across the road. The antenna receives any signals which arrive from the same 5 degrees by 20 degrees and converts this into the speed of the vehicle. If the vehicle's speed is greater than detection speed set by the operator, a photograph is automatically taken.

[muzza]

Gteez - thanks for that:)

I had a closer look and they have actually given me an uncropped pic - I can see all lanes pretty clearly - it was a fixed speed/redlight job.

Gotta write a grovelling letter now to see if they will let me off since I have been a good boy (read: not caught for anything) for over 10 years.......:confused:

BTW - there are NO speed cameras on the Eastern Freeway (yet) - but the TOG's like to hang out on the on ramps occasionally - sometimes with a radar on an overpass and radio to the catch car.