Why Is It..

[tirone]

My Mums ecotec VT is faster at take off, accelerates faster at speeds, is all round a faster feeling car than my VX SS?

[vxleather]

Take them both to the 1/4 and see who makes it to the end first, might get a surprise as to which one is quicker of the line, but crossing the finish line will probably be the SS

[tirone]

Yeah i realise down the quarter the ss would win but just everyday driving is what im talking about.

[Mozz]

I would suggest a mafless tune, catback exhaust and OTR CAI and you won't worry anymore about the 6's :) for around $2k Or if money is tight - then catback exhaust, mailorder tune and monaro 2 hole CAI mod for around $900

[tirone]

Yeah ive got the catback, i was thinking of saving a bit up and going for the tune

[Danv8]

Generally the 3800 V6's engines have pretty good low down torque and seem to have a punchier feel to them. Until you get an edit done then you wouldn't worry about the lil 3800 at all.

[cashie]

The early ecotecs were deemed too punchy off the line and Holden removed some of this in later models.
I remember the ecotec being almost brutal in it's off the line urge when it first appeared in a commodore.

[Vulture]

Maybe throw some diff gears at it too if you want a 'punchier' feeling around town.

[VL Executive]

The early ecotecs were deemed too punchy off the line and Holden removed some of this in later models.
I remember the ecotec being almost brutal in it's off the line urge when it first appeared in a commodore.


I thought it was the VN Series 1 V6's that where like that?

Before the Ecotec era.

[vyssbeast]

I would imagine you have an auto?? Diff gears and tune are your friend

[Holden Nut]

I would imagine you have an auto?? Diff gears and tune are your friendI would imagine there is something seriously wrong with his car and that it should get looked at. There is no situation where an ecotec should beat an LS1, inc down low.

[tim_k]

I thought it was the VN Series 1 V6's that where like that?

Before the Ecotec era.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Ecotecs came on board during the VS model

[ssgirl2]

I would imagine there is something seriously wrong with his car and that it should get looked at. There is no situation where an ecotec should beat an LS1, inc down low.

I think it could be quicker off the line, but the SS will eventually :lol: whip it's a**e.

tirone, have you lined up against your Mum yet? (on a private road of course ;);)) :woohoo:

SS:girl:2

[Danv8]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Ecotecs came on board during the VS model

They did.
The 3800 (Series 1) Pre ecotec VN-VR
3800 series 2 (series 2 3800) Ecotec VS-VY.

[tirone]

Haha i havent dragged them. I will get a tune soon and see how it goes, cheers all.

[GMMAD]

I would imagine there is something seriously wrong with his car and that it should get looked at. There is no situation where an ecotec should beat an LS1, inc down low.
thats what i think
there is no way a V6 would have beat my vx when it was stock

[tirone]

Im not saying it "beats" the SS it just feels way more zippier and faster at low speeds especially, of course it would smash the VT down the 1/4

[GMMAD]

Im not saying it "beats" the SS it just feels way more zippier and faster at low speeds especially, of course it would smash the VT down the 1/4
it may just feel toucher
the ls1 makes it power more effortlessly so probably doesnt feel as fast
but line them up and it would beat it

[ImpulSSiVZ]

it may just feel toucher
the ls1 makes it power more effortlessly so probably doesnt feel as fast
but line them up and it would beat it

Got to agree with the thread starter on this.
Having recently come out of a VTII 6 and into the Z 8, the sixes do launch very hard over about the 1st 100 metres, so much so that various V8's that I put it against at the lights gave up,lol.
With the sixes, it's all in the launch prep that gives you the massive take off.
You can sit them at 3000rpm with your foot on the brake, then just floor it.
The real V8 action doesn't seem to kick in till after the traction control cuts out at about 60 kmh, then they pull like a train.
Of course, if you have the traction control turned off, you just sit there spinning.
So, the point is, 1st 100 metres the V6 will have ya, after that it's cya later.

[paul05]

Generally the 3800 V6's engines have pretty good low down torque and seem to have a punchier feel to them. Until you get an edit done then you wouldn't worry about the lil 3800 at all.

but don't take on a 3500 aurion un edited,you will loose.a member on here with a white vx ss 5.7 lost twice against my wifes aurion both auto's:rofl:we have a private road near work and the ve sv6 lost misserably(boosses company car)the way i look at it you need an edit to beat a v6 convincingly.you spend $50000+ on a ss only to have an edit (more dollars)done to beat a v6 that costs 30 odd thou.

[Danv8]

but don't take on a 3500 aurion un edited,you will loose.a member on here with a white vx ss 5.7 lost twice against my wifes aurion both auto's:rofl:we have a private road near work and the ve sv6 lost misserably(boosses company car)the way i look at it you need an edit to beat a v6 convincingly.you spend $50000+ on a ss only to have an edit (more dollars)done to beat a v6 that costs 30 odd thou.

Yeah my mrs took an Aurion for a spin a few months ago and she drives a 99 Camry V6 manual. She looked at the Aurion to replace her 99 Camry but she was not really that impressed with it. She told me that it drove well and it went ok but she hated the interior because of its spray can silver look. Also she likes driving cars with a manual gearbox and the Aurion only comes in an auto. So she is looking at Subaru liberty wagon or forrester turbo as a camry replacement. Im just waiting on VE SS wagon to come out. I personally couldn't care less about the Aurion as its not my can of beer really. I just want my mrs to get a decent wagon so she is happy and not nagging me as often. :p

[Caprice270]

Yeah its a real shame that even the 6.0 litre motors still dont deliver the meaty feel you expect off the line...IMO they are still a motor that need to be wound out to feel explosive, otherwise they feel doughy, especially in the torque managed autos. I've always noticed pre-VT V6s feel zippier with small throttle inputs, then I got a 350Z and realised how MEATY a V6 can be!

It is all a mystery and it makes you wonder what is going on. These days you rarely get to apply WOT, so driving a car with mountains of torque down low is the only way you can feel like you're driving a high performance car. On this matter Holden have failed to deliver IMO and thats why an edit is so important.

[Danv8]

Yeah its a real shame that even the 6.0 litre motors still dont deliver the meaty feel you expect off the line...IMO they are still a motor that need to be wound out to feel explosive, otherwise they feel doughy, especially in the torque managed autos. I've always noticed pre-VT V6s feel zippier with small throttle inputs, then I got a 350Z and realised how MEATY a V6 can be!

It is all a mystery and it makes you wonder what is going on. These days you rarely get to apply WOT, so driving a car with mountains of torque down low is the only way you can feel like you're driving a high performance car. On this matter Holden have failed to deliver IMO and thats why an edit is so important.

Its called soft torque management. They apply these limitations on to soften the blow to the drive train so less chance of braking anything. And edit these days are cheap anyway also I find many factory tuned engines rather average in many brands of cars. Also I like a V8 that can rev also unlike the Ford Boss V8 it starts to party and then it dies in the arse when the going gets good (runs out of breath and hits the limiter). Factory tuned engines are done by car manufacturers that think they know what people want. Aftermarket tuners know what people want. :)

[GMMAD]

Got to agree with the thread starter on this.
Having recently come out of a VTII 6 and into the Z 8, the sixes do launch very hard over about the 1st 100 metres, so much so that various V8's that I put it against at the lights gave up,lol.
With the sixes, it's all in the launch prep that gives you the massive take off.
You can sit them at 3000rpm with your foot on the brake, then just floor it.
The real V8 action doesn't seem to kick in till after the traction control cuts out at about 60 kmh, then they pull like a train.
Of course, if you have the traction control turned off, you just sit there spinning.
So, the point is, 1st 100 metres the V6 will have ya, after that it's cya later.
well they must have been sh#t drivers because i never had a V6 beat me
even with the X misses driving she would beat 6's

[mustanger]

well they must have been sh#t drivers because i never had a V6 beat me
even with the X misses driving she would beat 6's

That wouldnt be your X misses on your Avater :) :lol:

[GMMAD]

That wouldnt be your X misses on your Avater :) :lol:
ha ha i wish she wouldnt be my X if it was :nyuk:

[Caprice270]

I remember my brother had a VN V6 back in the days when I was cruising around in my mint VS SS II. And I swear, I thought his VN was far more responsive than my asthmatic 5.0 litre. Those first 3.8 litre V6s were fairly brutal down low for what they were. Unfortunately they felt the need to tone it down in later models (though the "peak" power was always getting higher).

I then bought a new VX SS in 2001 and didn't notice the life changing power difference I was expecting. So I know where tirone is coming from. Its like, you expect to blow these V6s into the weeds, but really you can only get a car length on them to 80km/hour. Then I got full bolt-ons and tune and never looked back.

[markone2]

Got to agree with the thread starter on this.
Having recently come out of a VTII 6 and into the Z 8, the sixes do launch very hard over about the 1st 100 metres, so much so that various V8's that I put it against at the lights gave up,lol.
With the sixes, it's all in the launch prep that gives you the massive take off.
You can sit them at 3000rpm with your foot on the brake, then just floor it.
The real V8 action doesn't seem to kick in till after the traction control cuts out at about 60 kmh, then they pull like a train.
Of course, if you have the traction control turned off, you just sit there spinning.
So, the point is, 1st 100 metres the V6 will have ya, after that it's cya later.

I live in Brisbane.......time / date and location please.....I've a stock YY Calais here and 1k in folding thats going to destroy your hypnosis and wallet at the 1st set of traffic lights. ..:rofl: ......biggest load of cow manure I've seen on the net in years.....might I advise driving lessons are in order ?

[VYSHSV8]

I live in Brisbane.......time / date and location please.....I've a stock YY Calais here and 1k in folding thats going to destroy your hypnosis and wallet at the 1st set of traffic lights. ..:rofl: ......biggest load of cow manure I've seen on the net in years.....might I advise driving lessons are in order ?

I will second that

[OLS108]

I live in Brisbane.......time / date and location please.....I've a stock YY Calais here and 1k in folding thats going to destroy your hypnosis and wallet at the 1st set of traffic lights. ..:rofl: ......biggest load of cow manure I've seen on the net in years.....might I advise driving lessons are in order ?

Agreed, I dont remember Any V6 even a s/c 6 getting even close after 20m or so. 100 ???? after 3000rpm its all over for the ecotec.

[GMMAD]

finally some people with some sense

[highlander_69r]

i wonder if he looked at the speedo b4 making this rediculas thread.....

i wouldnt waste the fuel comparing a std vt v6 and a gen 3 , even the stats from motor mag and the like give enough of an indication down the 1/4....or local set of lights.

the pedal on the right is the throttle push it to the floor and take the other off the brake.

[tirone]

Its not a ridiculous thread, maybe of you actually read throught it you would realise

[OLS108]

Its not a ridiculous thread, maybe of you actually read throught it you would realise

I drive a VY V6 as a company car when i need travel anywhere and i always have a giggle to myself as i remember just how slow the little 3.8L really is.
I would chuck the car on the Dyno mate, or have a run at the track.

[ImpulSSiVZ]

I live in Brisbane.......time / date and location please.....I've a stock YY Calais here and 1k in folding thats going to destroy your hypnosis and wallet at the 1st set of traffic lights. ..:rofl: ......biggest load of cow manure I've seen on the net in years.....might I advise driving lessons are in order ?

Fella, you have a real hard time accurately reading posts.
I HAD the V6, now have the V8.
Therefore, I think I can compere the two.
The V6's do launch very hard.
The traction control on the V8 does screw around till about 60kmh,
then all hell breaks loose.
I said that the V6 may get you over the 1st hundred metres then it's cya later.
Meaning, the V8 will leave it for dead after that.
One hundred metres would be the maximum you would expect a V6 to hold it's own, if the V8's an auto it would be about 30 metres.
Driving lessons? Have been driving for 27 years.
Why are you so cynical about everything?
Other people do have experiances in life that may differ from your own.
They are just telling their stories.
That is all.

[GMMAD]

Fella, you have a real hard time accurately reading posts.
I HAD the V6, now have the V8.
Therefore, I think I can compere the two.
The V6's do launch very hard.
The traction control on the V8 does screw around till about 60kmh,
then all hell breaks loose.
I said that the V6 may get you over the 1st hundred metres then it's cya later.
Meaning, the V8 will leave it for dead after that.
One hundred metres would be the maximum you would expect a V6 to hold it's own, if the V8's an auto it would be about 30 metres.
Driving lessons? Have been driving for 27 years.
Why are you so cynical about everything?
Other people do have experiances in life that may differ from your own.
They are just telling their stories.
That is all.
I dont know whats wrong with your car but a V6 beating an LS1 for the first 100 metres is a joke
if you think a V6 launches hard you better get yours self some mod and get to the drags and see what a hard launch is
i have own V6's and they go like a piece of sh#t
as for TC who would leave it on if you want a quick launch

[Caprice270]

What Tirone is referring to is the sluggishness that the stock VX SS had when pulling away from the line. I did 31,000 km in my VX SS and I can tell you that even in 2001 I was very disappointed with my first stock LS1 and so was just about everyone else who resorted, like me, to the aftermarket for some decent power.

Remember, the thread is questioning the low end torque of the stock 225 kw VX Gen III, which is not ridiculous at all. Its a perfectly valid debate and all but the most hardcore Holden faithful will admit the the stocker in 2001 lacked in old school power delivery down low.

I'm not sure about a V6 being able to keep up (!!!), but I have noted above that the early models were surprisingly zippy. But certainly the V6 was no powerhouse.

[GODSMACK]

Yeah its a real shame that even the 6.0 litre motors still dont deliver the meaty feel you expect off the line...IMO they are still a motor that need to be wound out to feel explosive, otherwise they feel doughy, especially in the torque managed autos. I've always noticed pre-VT V6s feel zippier with small throttle inputs, then I got a 350Z and realised how MEATY a V6 can be!

It is all a mystery and it makes you wonder what is going on. These days you rarely get to apply WOT, so driving a car with mountains of torque down low is the only way you can feel like you're driving a high performance car. On this matter Holden have failed to deliver IMO and thats why an edit is so important. Caprice270, having owned a 350z myself for just over 3 years, and having come accustomed to launching it hard with little or no wheel spin, below are my thoughts on the 350z.......

The 350z vs VE SS. :1peek: My 350z had a cat back Blitz exhaust and a CAI. 206kw model. The 350z was designed for corners, race tracks etc, not a quick car in a straight line by any means. The 350z will not convincingly beat the newest of 4 cylinder (N/A) cars in a straight line. these being the better of the 4 cylinders, such as the Euro and the Mazda3/6, renault etc. I dont care how good a driver someone may be, but i would be confindent that i could stay within 1 to 2 car lengths to the 350z in such a vehicle. My partners 07 Honda Euro can keep pace with the 350z within 1 to 2 car lengths, quite easily, given the reaction times are similar. My VE SS would sh*t all over even a current model 350z in terms of accelaration as was the case in Sydney just the saturday gone. Yes, i punched the VE to 100km/h before backing off. It was stupid, but i was interested to see how the 350z faired...Up to 100km the 350z was nearly 2 car lengths behind..The raised bonnet to accomodate the new 235kw version of the VQ35 is dissapointing to say the least and the engine is a dissapointment. Ive driven one, and i wasnt impressed. More Kw's, same torque.. HTF does that work, raised the redline for what?? How many people drive there cars to 7800rpm >...???

Ive driven both cars, and in my opinion, Nissan need to do more with the 350z, sales are at an all time low, and its no wonder. Put a couple of thousand $$ into some desent suspension for the VE, and the 350z would be obsolete performance wise, not to mention that the VE would still work out thousands of dollars cheaper..

Im not here to cause a stir, or start a "this car is better than that car" debate..

My point being, that although the 350z runs an award winning V6, its a conservative engine, with big $$$ needed to allow it to make decent power...

Just my 2c worth...

[tirone]

What Tirone is referring to is the sluggishness that the stock VX SS had when pulling away from the line. I did 31,000 km in my VX SS and I can tell you that even in 2001 I was very disappointed with my first stock LS1 and so was just about everyone else who resorted, like me, to the aftermarket for some decent power.

Remember, the thread is questioning the low end torque of the stock 225 kw VX Gen III, which is not ridiculous at all. Its a perfectly valid debate and all but the most hardcore Holden faithful will admit the the stocker in 2001 lacked in old school power delivery down low.

I'm not sure about a V6 being able to keep up (!!!), but I have noted above that the early models were surprisingly zippy. But certainly the V6 was no powerhouse.

Thank You, thats what the thread was about.

[Vulture]

The traction control on the V8 does screw around till about 60kmh,
then all hell breaks loose.

That should tell you something, no?
Turn TC off and feather the throttle to minimise wheelspin on the first few meters. Some subtlety in use of the right pedal is called for. The reason TC is playing havoc is because there is a heap more power on offer.



The 350z will not convincingly beat the newest of 4 cylinder (N/A) cars in a straight line. these being the better of the 4 cylinders, such as the Euro and the Mazda3/6, renault etc.

Are you serious? The performance stats in the back of any recent car magazine would tend to suggest that you're smoking a touch of the funny stuff. :diddy: OK, if you're talking turbo 4 but NA?



I dont care how good a driver someone may be, but i would be confindent that i could stay within 1 to 2 car lengths to the 350z in such a vehicle. My partners 07 Honda Euro can keep pace with the 350z within 1 to 2 car lengths, quite easily, given the reaction times are similar....

1-2 car length is a very significant victory if it is over a hundred meters or so. Over a bigger distance that can turn into an eternity.
True, the 350z needs a major update. The new 3.7L Nissan motor with high 200s for power would be nice. The goal posts have moved and no good having a 6 cylinder family car as quick in a straight line.

I can appreciate what the orginal poster means as the V6 does feel more meaty off idle than the GenIII, in particular the early GenIIIs.

[FANG IT 350]

mate if ya mums v6 hoses your ss id be worried,must be a shitter engine if thats the case.:bawl:

[cholo]

i used to have an vn v6 calais and it was very fast indeed. Kinda missed it a bit actually. Quite fun to drive but deadly in the wet nearly died a few times. :eyes:

The ecotec was ok too but not as fast as the vn maybe the body was heavier.

[ssgirl2]

Thank You, thats what the thread was about.

Don't worry tirone, there are plenty of people who know exactly what you're talking about...AND agree with you. Your SS just needs a little help to get her off the line.

Get some mods done and you'll be smiling from ear to ear :D

SS:girl:2

[tirone]

Don't worry tirone, there are plenty of people who know exactly what you're talking about...AND agree with you. Your SS just needs a little help to get her off the line.

Get some mods done and you'll be smiling from ear to ear :D

SS:girl:2

Definitely:) i will get a tune sorted out next week.

[ssgirl2]

Definitely:) i will get a tune sorted out next week.

Have you thought about other modifications you want to do? Most people do a few small mods, then get a tune to finish it off nicely...





...and 6mths later they spend alot more on mods and have another tune :D

SS:girl:2

[tirone]

All im after at the moment is just a mail order tune that will get me by, i only drive thing thing once or twice a week anyway.

[silvervyss]

Have you thought about other modifications you want to do? Most people do a few small mods, then get a tune to finish it off nicely...





...and 6mths later they spend alot more on mods and have another tune :D

SS:girl:2

How very true. Suppose he will learn the hard way like many of us.

[GMMAD]

How very true. Suppose he will learn the hard way like many of us.
yep
I thought i would be happy with bolt on's and a tune and when i finally got it all done i heard a cam LS1 and that was it i had to have a cam

[Chappie]

yep
I thought i would be happy with bolt on's and a tune and when i finally got it all done i heard a cam LS1 and that was it i had to have a cam

I was exactly the same GM i went for a drive in a cammed Ls1 at CSV in Melbourne and that was it:bow: Never looked back:rofl::rofl:

[silvervyss]

yep
I thought i would be happy with bolt on's and a tune and when i finally got it all done i heard a cam LS1 and that was it i had to have a cam

Getting mine done hopefully before christmas. Problem is, whats happens after that :confused:.

[GMMAD]

Getting mine done hopefully before christmas. Problem is, whats happens after that :confused:.
GEN TT
just make shaw you choose the right cam
by that i mean dont go to small

[VZ_V8]

i just find it funny how defensive everyone gets about the topic. I mean god forbid any other engine would beat an LS1 especially a V6!!!!! Put your hands up if your car would beat Dave Wilzigs ITT-38L.........

[angelo.vs]

i just find it funny how defensive everyone gets about the topic. I mean god forbid any other engine would beat an LS1 especially a V6!!!!! Put your hands up if your car would beat Dave Wilzigs ITT-38L.........

Dave Wilzig spent a fortune on that car. I'm sure if people spent the same amount on the LS1 they would beat the TT V6 and be able to drive it everyday without any dramas.

[VZ_V8]

Dave Wilzig spent a fortune on that car. I'm sure if people spent the same amount on the LS1 they would beat the TT V6 and be able to drive it everyday without any dramas.

never said they couldnt but it shows the V6 has more potential than just about everyone makes out... just because it is 2 cylinders shy and 1.9L smaller doesnt mean it cant make any form of reasonable power.

[Cruzadr]

I must say that I agree with the poster and have much the same experience as him. My car before my VX II SS was a VR Exec. Only mod done to it was a craparsed pod filter from Supercheap cos the old airbox was cracked. If I was starting on a slope or in the wet I was almost guaranteed to spin the arse end of it, this could have been the result of crap tyres and a sticky pedal but it still "felt" a lot more responsive to touches of the accelerator.
My VX is an ex-cop car with the traction control taken off and it doesn't actually "feel" like it has any nuts until it hits around 50 or 60 then the exhaust note basically sings about its nuts so you can't miss it. Although it does "feel" a lot more responsive since I chucked in a k&n filter. I think all she needed was a bit more oxygen into her. I think it's pretty true about only having to look at the LS1 cross eyed for it to add on KW's.

[markone2]

Good thing about ET time slips is they measure the vehicles acceleration in 60ft / 330ft / 660ft stages…. with reaction times having zero input on the outcome, this tried and true method of measuring the cars acceleration, fast establishes fact from wishful thinking…..I’m running a stock unopened LS1 Calais at tonight’s Willowbank T&T ……bring your V6’s along ( the more the merrier ) , and we’ll see just how well you 60ft against me....... we’ll put this fallacy to bed very quickly indeed imho

[350com]

C'mon guys,
Markone2 has made 2 offers now to prove your theories. Surely one of you will take him up on it.

[GODSMACK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by IwantaSS
The 350z will not convincingly beat the newest of 4 cylinder (N/A) cars in a straight line. these being the better of the 4 cylinders, such as the Euro and the Mazda3/6, renault etc.

"quote VULTURE" Are you serious? The performance stats in the back of any recent car magazine would tend to suggest that you're smoking a touch of the funny stuff. OK, if you're talking turbo 4 but NA?

Vulture - have you driven a 350z..?? Alot of the times quoted are estimated times.. They claimed the 350z can do 0-100km in roughly 5.9 secs, i was unable to duplicate that figure..I had my Z for over 3 years and do believe i knew how to "drive" it the way it was intended... Unless you have owned/driven a 350z for an extensive period, then perhaps you should lay off the wacky tobacky before you try to insult ones opinion of a car you know nothing about... stick to what you know i.e Holdens.. And yes, i was referring to the N/A 4 cylinders, and the 1-2 car lengths i quoted was not over 100m, more so up to a quarter mile, and more!!!
So.......u can go and :flipoff:

[Vulture]

Vulture - have you driven a 350z..?? Alot of the times quoted are estimated times.. They claimed the 350z can do 0-100km in roughly 5.9 secs, i was unable to duplicate that figure..I had my Z for over 3 years and do believe i knew how to "drive" it the way it was intended... Unless you have owned/driven a 350z for an extensive period, then perhaps you should lay off the wacky tobacky before you try to insult ones opinion of a car you know nothing about... stick to what you know i.e Holdens.. And yes, i was referring to the N/A 4 cylinders, and the 1-2 car lengths i quoted was not over 100m, more so up to a quarter mile, and more!!!
So.......u can go and :flipoff:

Whoa, settle down. I'm not trying to insult you. But there is no way any of the Australian delivered NA fours that I can think of will stay with the 350z - perhaps the new Civic Type R would give it a run. I don't need to have driven one to know that. If an NA 4 like a Mazda 3/6 etc cannot be convincingly beaten by your 350z from standing start or roll-on then there is something wrong. Maybe Markone2 can give us an idea of how many car lengths 2 seconds would be over the quarter, a f**k of a lot I would have thought. These are high 16 to 17s cars over the quarter and the 350z is a low 14 second car (and RWD vs FWD), these are not estimates but actual times recorded by the mags. If, as you suggest, you are a good driver, then there was something wrong with your car.

350z: 230Kw:1480Kg = 6kg for every Kw
Mazda3 108kw/1250Kg = 11Kg for every Kw ie nearly half the power to weight. The Mazda6 would be even worse off.

You sir, are stoned on something. The other conclusion is best left unsaid.

[GODSMACK]

Whoa, settle down. I'm not trying to insult you. But there is no way any of the Australian delivered NA fours that I can think of will stay with the 350z - perhaps the new Civic Type R would give it a run. I don't need to have driven one to know that. If an NA 4 like a Mazda 3/6 etc cannot be convincingly beaten by your 350z from standing start or roll-on then there is something wrong. Maybe Markone2 can give us an idea of how many car lengths 2 seconds would be over the quarter, a f**k of a lot I would have thought. These are high 16 to 17s cars over the quarter and the 350z is a low 14 second car (and RWD vs FWD), these are not estimates but actual times recorded by the mags. If, as you suggest, you are a good driver, then there was something wrong with your car.

350z: 230Kw:1480Kg = 6kg for every Kw
Mazda3 108kw/1250Kg = 11Kg for every Kw ie nearly half the power to weight. The Mazda6 would be even worse off.

You sir, are stoned on something. The other conclusion is best left unsaid. I admire your ability to calculate kg/kw, however if your reading skills were as good, you would have noted my Z was the 206kw version as stated previously, with the HE engine, as apposed to the refined HR engine.. oops...

Lets not forget that its not only kg/kw one must consider, but the torque the car produces also.. The Mazda 3 SP for example has a 2.3L engine, not the 2.0L that you base your calculations on.. Oops again.. The mazda 3 may well have less KW/KG, but the torque it produces based on its lighter weight may well calculate to similar times...

Based on your calculations, the 350z is 6kg/KW, the SS 6AT is 6.6kg/KW. So in conculsion, the cars would be farely equal, despite the fact that the SS produces 172nm more torque than the 350Z?? Ill assume yes seeing as KW/KG is your basis for making assumptions..

[Caprice270]

The 350z vs VE SS. :1peek: My 350z had a cat back Blitz exhaust and a CAI. 206kw model. The 350z was designed for corners, race tracks etc, not a quick car in a straight line by any means. The 350z will not convincingly beat the newest of 4 cylinder (N/A) cars in a straight line. these being the better of the 4 cylinders, such as the Euro and the Mazda3/6, renault etc. I dont care how good a driver someone may be, but i would be confindent that i could stay within 1 to 2 car lengths to the 350z in such a vehicle. My partners 07 Honda Euro can keep pace with the 350z within 1 to 2 car lengths, quite easily, given the reaction times are similar. My VE SS would sh*t all over even a current model 350z in terms of accelaration as was the case in Sydney just the saturday gone. Yes, i punched the VE to 100km/h before backing off. It was stupid, but i was interested to see how the 350z faired...Up to 100km the 350z was nearly 2 car lengths behind..The raised bonnet to accomodate the new 235kw version of the VQ35 is dissapointing to say the least and the engine is a dissapointment. Ive driven one, and i wasnt impressed. More Kw's, same torque.. HTF does that work, raised the redline for what?? How many people drive there cars to 7800rpm >...???

Ive driven both cars, and in my opinion, Nissan need to do more with the 350z, sales are at an all time low, and its no wonder. Put a couple of thousand $$ into some desent suspension for the VE, and the 350z would be obsolete performance wise, not to mention that the VE would still work out thousands of dollars cheaper..

Im not here to cause a stir, or start a "this car is better than that car" debate..

My point being, that although the 350z runs an award winning V6, its a conservative engine, with big $$$ needed to allow it to make decent power...

Just my 2c worth...

The engine plant being questioned is the VX LS1, not the L98 fitted to the VE SS.

Again, it has to be stressed that only the most hardcore Holden fanatics will defend the VX LS1 motor in its stock form. Those who bought the first LS1s in VTII/VX guise know the disappointment when the excitement of owning a whiz bang 5.7 litre had died down. And so came along the after-market tuners, to correct this fundamental flaw - the lack of low-down pull.

While the little 3.5 litre motor in the 350Z cannot deliver the quite same punch as the VE's 6.0 litre, to its credit, it was at least as good, if not better, than the VX's LS1, and delivered its performance in a far more desirable lightweight coupe body, with uncompromised performance focussed suspension settings. And even VE V8 owners will be surprised at how much torque an '07 350Z delivers in return for small throttle inputs.

[GODSMACK]

The engine plant being questioned is the VX LS1, not the L98 fitted to the VE SS.

Again, it has to be stressed that only the most hardcore Holden fanatics will defend the VX LS1 motor in its stock form. Those who bought the first LS1s in VTII/VX guise know the disappointment when the excitement of owning a whiz bang 5.7 litre had died down. And so came along the after-market tuners, to correct this fundamental flaw - the lack of low-down pull.

While the little 3.5 litre motor in the 350Z cannot deliver the quite same punch as the VE's 6.0 litre, to its credit, it was at least as good, if not better, than the VX's LS1, and delivered its performance in a far more desirable lightweight coupe body, with uncompromised performance focussed suspension settings.

Champ, i appreciate what you are saying and as an owner of a 350z i appreciate your point of view, as apposed to giving your opinion based on what you read in a magazine... :)

I loved the 350z, i only sold it due to changing circumstances. It was by far one of the best cars i have driven, handling wise, but i must admit i was dissapointed in its performance for a car that back in 2004 cost me $60k.

My original point was that the VE SS, with a better suspension setup, would still cost less than a 07 Touring 350Z, and outperform it in acceleration and handling. All i said then was that Nissan need to do more with it, perhaps consider F/I from the factory, it would then be a true sportscar. Only then would i consider paying $60+ for a Nissan again.

You, no doubt will find out, if you dont already, how much money you need to throw into a 350z to get any power gains from it..

[Vulture]

I admire your ability to calculate kg/kw, however if your reading skills were as good, you would have noted my Z was the 206kw version as stated previously, with the HE engine, as apposed to the refined HR engine.. oops...

Lets not forget that its not only kg/kw one must consider, but the torque the car produces also.. The Mazda 3 SP for example has a 2.3L engine, not the 2.0L that you base your calculations on.. Oops again..

Good point with regards to torque but the lower power version of the 350Z should still have plenty of advantage even over the 2.3 Mazda.


Based on your calculations, the 350z is 6kg/KW, the SS 6AT is 6.6kg/KW. So in conculsion, the cars would be farely equal, despite the fact that the SS produces 172nm more torque than the 350Z?? Ill assume yes seeing as KW/KG is your basis for making assumptions..

They are actually fairly similar in acceleration times according to the mags. Over the quarter, the SS is faster.

[GODSMACK]

Good point with regards to torque but the lower power version of the 350Z should still have plenty of advantage even over the 2.3 Mazda. Ever so slightly Simon.. :)... The Z is a good looking car, handles like a go cart.. Nissan should seriously consider releasing a F/I version in the near future.. Upon release of the new GTR, the 350z's will depreciate like crazy...

[Vulture]

Ever so slightly Simon.. :)... The Z is a good looking car, handles like a go cart.. Nissan should seriously consider releasing a F/I version in the near future.. Upon release of the new GTR, the 350z's will depreciate like crazy...

GTR sounds like it'll be insane but I suppose it is in a different price group to a 350Z. Aren't the GTRs going to be $100K+?

[Caprice270]

GTR sounds like it'll be insane but I suppose it is in a different price group to a 350Z. Aren't the GTRs going to be $100K+?


Yeah exactly...totally different market. But the 350Zs need no further reason to depreciate...the strong Aussie dollar means they can be sold for peanuts and the dealership still makes good money.

[GODSMACK]

Yeah exactly...totally different market. But the 350Zs need no further reason to depreciate...the strong Aussie dollar means they can be sold for peanuts and the dealership still makes good money. I was lucky, i sold mine for $42k approx 2 months ago. Touring edition, Just had an exhaust and CAI. The guy is now trying to flog it off for $47k.. He's f'n dreaming...

Vulture... I red somewhere the base model is going for closer to $85k, still, ur right when you say they are in a diff class...

[Vulture]

Vulture... I red somewhere the base model is going for closer to $85k, still, ur right when you say they are in a diff class...


:confused: if it has the same mechanical package as the top model, where do I sign?

[GODSMACK]

:confused: if it has the same mechanical package as the top model, where do I sign? Thats what i heard. Apparently the higher specs get leather interior, and a few other goodies... I could be wrong, more than likely am.. Wouldnt be the first time... :)