Monaro Dyno Tuned Gold Coast [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 04:46 PM

I have just returned from having the Monaro dyno tuned at ChipTorque in Nerang on the Gold Coast and said I would report my experience.

Well initially I thought they specialised in Fords (Gulp!) and those little Japanese drift cars (double gulp!) but they put my mind at ease telling me they have done quite a few SS HSV and Club sporty things even a Monaro or two and there was a nice Senator in there to help with the story.

So after a 2 weeks wait I turned up at the appointed time and after signing a waiver that basically said if it came off the rollers at high speed and destroyed a few buildings it was not their fault.

They drove the Monaro into an enclosed booth closed the doors started a bloody big fan, grabbed their laptop and away it went, it’s awesome to hear a V8 running red line on the revs.

After about 2 hours they gave her back to me, I gave them a truck load of money and got a dyno chart in return. (can’t post, not enough posts)

The shift points were altered and set into the power button but even normal mode driving my head was pushed back into the head restraint the power is smooth and very very responsive to throttle, nearly changes gears as I think about it

In a word, Bloody Fantastic!, well that’s 2 words actually, anybody holding off getting your pride and joy properly tuned and the chip edited don’t wait any longer, do it.

David

BLACK 346

17-10-2007, 04:51 PM

So, what were the before and after figures?

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 05:52 PM

So, what were the before and after figures?

I knew somebody would ask that! I don't know the before the after according to the Dyno is 216.3 kw at the wheels

BLACK 346

17-10-2007, 05:58 PM

I knew somebody would ask that! I don't know the before the after according to the Dyno is 216.3 kw at the wheels

Did they not do a before dyno run, or you are just not sure what it
netted? I have never had a tune done without before and after
readings. Was it a retune of the factory computer or a piggy back
chip? Maf tune or maffless? Sorry for all the questions, just curious :)

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 06:25 PM

Did they not do a before dyno run, or you are just not sure what it
netted? I have never had a tune done without before and after
readings. Was it a retune of the factory computer or a piggy back
chip? Maf tune or maffless? Sorry for all the questions, just curious :)

Sorry didn't read it properly, my first time you know! about 176 Kw to start, a performance chip installed, Maf Tune the only mods I have are a CAI and Exhaust

VooDoo

17-10-2007, 06:57 PM

Sorry didn't read it properly, my first time you know! about 176 Kw to start, a performance chip installed, Maf Tune the only mods I have are a CAI and Exhaust

oh dear.. a "chip" installed...

You need to do some reading and search for chips. NOBODY here uses them anymore. Sadly i think you have done your dough. Hi Torque on the Gold coast are who you should have seen. 216rwkw is very low for a tuned car.

markone2

17-10-2007, 07:00 PM

Sorry didn't read it properly, my first time you know! about 176 Kw to start, a performance chip installed, Maf Tune the only mods I have are a CAI and Exhaust

:doh: oh dear ....I truly thought these dark ole days of LS1 tuning had long since disappeared :confused:....please...take a trip to Willowbank..line up a 100% stock LS1 and report back...then we can explain the error of your wallet...so to speak.....or failing that, the infamous much referred to *search* facility will supply the answer :)

BLACK 346

17-10-2007, 07:02 PM

Be gentle with him fella's, not everyone stumbles on this forum
in time :)

NewV8

17-10-2007, 07:04 PM

Sorry didn't read it properly, my first time you know! about 176 Kw to start, a performance chip installed, Maf Tune the only mods I have are a CAI and Exhaust

I not sure he meant a piggyback.
People who get mail order tunes might say they got a performance chip.

Momo

17-10-2007, 07:04 PM

Take it to Power Torque and have it tuned correctly without the need for a chip to be installed.

SS_Brute

17-10-2007, 07:11 PM

I use the chiptorque agent up here and Lachlan regularly travels up to do tuning with him and I can tell you that they have been using VCM Suite for a couple of years now. The early days when LS1Edit sounded like a dark art were different and they did the whole open up the computer job but things have progressed and I have been more than happy with the 2 bar job done on my turbo rig. I wouldn't fathom why they would revert to a piggyback now and it sounds like the chip mentality still exists out there when it comes to the tuning process of our vehicles.

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 07:20 PM

Well this is embarrassing and makes me feel very stupid and naive, the invoice says Performance chip and Dyno tunning $990.00! there is definitely an improvement over what it was.. maybe a trip to Power Torque tomorrow may shed some light on what I have done :confused:

DNO-55

17-10-2007, 07:28 PM

dadem0n

17-10-2007, 07:31 PM

vt350phantom

17-10-2007, 07:39 PM

Be gentle with him fella's, not everyone stumbles on this forum
in time :)

Absolutely right Rod! go easy on him, seems like he's been steered in the right direction now

BOSSONNOS

17-10-2007, 07:43 PM

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 07:51 PM

Maybe just give give Chiptorque a ring to clarify if it was a chip/piggy back system or a re map of the factory ecu, it sounds like your new to the LS1/2 scene and there are plenty of people here that can help you out before you make decisions, there is alot to learn so hopefully you don't have to pay twice when making a bad or uninformed decision

Thanks for that, if it was a re-map is the price high? and what about the performance? :1peek:

Well it seems Matt at Chiptorque has been watching this thread and just emailed me to put me on the right track, I much appreciate his care to email me that says a lot about him and his company, here is what in part he has said.

"We have generically described all of the engine management improvements that went into cars since the inception of the business in 1993 as "chips" because it was too hard to explain to people in the early days of "flashing" a new program into the existing ECU.

The locals on the forum will cane you for using the phrase "performance chip". Our apologies for the confusion and I will update our system to show the proper term for what we do. Powertorque, Hi-Torque, and all the other companies that copied the Torque in their business name/s all use the same software to tune the LS1/LS2's as we do."

Now back to performance! :eyes:

VooDoo

17-10-2007, 08:02 PM

lol.... "copied the torque"

thats funny!

pagey

17-10-2007, 08:03 PM

I personally would have told them to bite me if they asked me to sign something saying blah blah blah.. if we are to useless to keep your car on our dyno.. it's your fault...

*edit*... saw the post above.

Still wouldn't be signing a disclaimer against user incompetence or faulty workshop machine.

********Pageytorque Tuning*********

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 08:09 PM

I personally would have told them to bite me if they asked me to sign something saying blah blah blah.. if we are to useless to keep your car on our dyno.. it's your fault...

That comment I made was more tongue in cheek than a concern, liability in this day and age is a sad fact of life

pagey

17-10-2007, 08:21 PM

did it look anything like YouTube - VL Turbo PSI-03L Jumps off Dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMd2n66uiQ) Note the professionally strapped vehicle using the patented rear passenger seat method.

Penko

17-10-2007, 08:26 PM

did it look anything like this...? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMd2n66uiQ) Note the professionally strapped vehicle using the patented rear passenger seat method.

or even this one, ouch for the car

YouTube - 400whp eagle talon falls off dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4l-Dl73TpM)

markone2

17-10-2007, 08:28 PM

. Powertorque, Hi-Torque, and all the other companies that copied the Torque in their business name/s all use the same software to tune the LS1/LS2's as we do."

Now back to performance! :eyes:

Think you'll find some are leaders in the field of LS1 tuning....not followers imho...........natuarally *chiptorque* could always front Willowbank with there weapon of choice...unopened / Cam only / H/C or FI :bow:

BOSSONNOS

17-10-2007, 08:34 PM

A Mafless tune would have netted more power, but if your happy with the seat of the pants feel and your getting good economy aswell as driveability well it's all good.

Mat is correct in saying that trying to explain to some customers the diference between a chip and a re map/flash can be very hard work, but if you explain enough they will understand, their name is also going to cause some confusion as it has CHIP in it - go figure.

Dave

Leatherman

17-10-2007, 08:42 PM

:confused: I've never signed anything at PowerTorque except for the VISA card receipt!!!! Never heard of this 'your car might fly off the dyno'......

I know this'll sound like a bagging to the other firm, but at the end of the day PowerTorque are sponsors on this forum..... and they have the runs on the board with regards to real performance. Dyno readings are all to make people feel happy, etc, and are often used as a penis extension in the pub with bragging rights...... but if you try to match the cars in real performance I think you'll see the PT tuned vehicles romp off into the distance.

It would be interesting to see your car dynoed at PT.... and then see what else Master *M* can coax out of it :)

Rgds,

Leatherman

Mat is correct in saying that trying to explain to some customers the diference between a chip and a re map/flash can be very hard work, but if you explain enough they will understand, their name is also going to cause some confusion as it has CHIP in it - go figure.

PT explained a mafless tune perfectly well to me over three years ago !!!!!

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 09:08 PM

did it look anything like Note the professionally strapped vehicle using the patented rear passenger seat method.

Hey! that's it I had to go to the pub to get a few extra guys to hold her down... :rofl:

I've never signed anything at PowerTorque except for the VISA card receipt!!!! Never heard of this 'your car might fly off the dyno'......

Bloody hell! some people can't see a comment made in jest from real life :spew:

A Mafless tune would have netted more power, but if your happy with the seat of the pants feel and your getting good economy aswell as driveability well it's all good.

Somehow I regret starting this thread as its taken the gloss right off even though driving home this afternoon I was right chuffed as she was going fantastic, maybe I'm easy pleased! but yes all is good. :jester:

Leatherman

17-10-2007, 09:36 PM

What CAI are you using???

Rgds,

Leatherman

smokiebbear

17-10-2007, 09:57 PM

As long as you are happy with the tune thats all that matters. I think for future reference though if you are going to do something to your car that you are unsure about jump on the forums and ask some questions as the guys on here can always point you in the right direction.

Apart from that enjoy your upgrade.

cheers - smokie

vxleather

17-10-2007, 10:12 PM

What CAI are you using???

Rgds,

Leatherman

Leatherman please tell me you are not thinking what i am thinking.....

_ _ Inducti@#

Shane

BigJim

17-10-2007, 10:19 PM

Leatherman please tell me you are not thinking what i am thinking.....

_ _ Inducti@#

Shane

i thought thats what you run mate :rofl:

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 10:23 PM

What CAI are you using???

Rgds,

Leatherman

SS Inductions big mouth marketed as Cobra!

http://users.bigpond.net.au/Morgan/cai.jpg

LS1TOY

17-10-2007, 10:24 PM

Leatherman please tell me you are not thinking what i am thinking.....

_ _ Inducti@#

Shane

i was thinkin the same thing....:lmao:
Jak,

macca_779

17-10-2007, 10:25 PM

Mate sit down grab a coffee and start reading the forum before you spend anymore money. You wait and see the comments on SS Reductions intakes.

vxleather

17-10-2007, 10:33 PM

i thought thats what you run mate :rofl:

Yeah BigJim i have a SS with induction (PT Style though):smilesandbanana:

BigJim

17-10-2007, 10:34 PM

Thats the growler cold air. Its not to bad for a pod type cold air

Thank god its not the big mouth. you would be going backwards if it was.

vxleather

17-10-2007, 10:41 PM

SS Inductions big mouth marketed as Cobra!

http://users.bigpond.net.au/Morgan/cai.jpg

dj, PLEASE don't be sad or disapointed as some have been down the exzact road you have gone.

I dought that your tuner would return your money for his couple of hours work he has done. As Macca said sit down and have a good read of the forum and see what is about. From there put the SS induction up and sell it on Ebay and get some money back,

and while i think of it remove the turtle shell and park it in the shed permanatly.

I would of thought a good tuner would of explained that to you!!!!

Then once you have done some reading dial 07 3881 2379. At first you will here this most lovely accent her name is G, G can problay tell you a thing or 2 about cars But get pass that and talk to Shaun form there enjoy your ride.

Shane

Thats the growler cold air. Its not to bad for a pod type cold air

Thank god its not the big mouth. you would be going backwards if it was.

Jim he states it is a big mouth, or is that me he is talking about !!!!

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 10:44 PM

Thats the growler cold air. Its not to bad for a pod type cold air

Thank god its not the big mouth. you would be going backwards if it was.

Thanks big Jim, I actually used "search" for a change fearing I was going to get a bagging over the CAI some like some don't couldn't find any hard data for the don't likes! at least you didn't give me a kicking over the growler!

Maybe I should just give the car to you guys for a month or so and you can return it all modded up :)

LS1TOY

17-10-2007, 10:53 PM

Thanks big Jim, I actually used "search" for a change fearing I was going to get a bagging over the CAI some like some don't couldn't find any hard data for the don't likes! at least you didn't give me a kicking over the growler!

Maybe I should just give the car to you guys for a month or so and you can return it all modded up :)

dont worry, it was the "big mouth" which yielded a lower power, dont know about the growler. the main thing is "you" are happy with the performance. as stated you have a maff tune, nothing wrong with that. dont be shy to ask any questions, almost anything you are thinkin of doin to you car, someone on here has done so ask away.:eyes:
Jake,

BLACK 346

17-10-2007, 11:20 PM

dj, PLEASE don't be sad or disapointed as some have been down the exzact road you have gone.

I dought that your tuner would return your money for his couple of hours work he has done. As Macca said sit down and have a good read of the forum and see what is about. From there put the SS induction up and sell it on Ebay and get some money back,

and while i think of it remove the turtle shell and park it in the shed permanatly.

I would of thought a good tuner would of explained that to you!!!!

Then once you have done some reading dial 07 3881 2379. At first you will here this most lovely accent her name is G, G can problay tell you a thing or 2 about cars But get pass that and talk to Shaun form there enjoy your ride.

Shane

Jim he states it is a big mouth, or is that me he is talking about !!!!

You can see in the photo that it is the Growler, not the earlier
big mouth. The big mouth is a direct replacement for the radiator
cover and leads into the factory airbox. I found this out the hard
way prior to finding this forum lol.

YCV8

17-10-2007, 11:23 PM

Congrats on the mods. I remember how good it felt driving my Monaro home after a new exhaust and tune. Don't let the negativity you've recieved in this thread get to you, in the end you paid under $1000 and got 216rwkw, a decent increase from 170 something. I'm no expert but it seems pretty normal for a a MAF tune. Yeah MAFLESS will get you 225-240 and all cars vary so don't for one minute think you've wasted your money.

As the guys have mentioned in this thread, use the expertise on the this forum by doing heaps of search and posting questions whenver you are considering mods as it will help you make the right decision.

The most important thing is enjoy your Monaro and your new found power as it won't be long and you'll be wanting more power. :)

djmorgan

17-10-2007, 11:28 PM

Thanks to you all for your good and bad comments it is much appreciated and has taught me a valuable lesson to ask before doing.

Now that I can post pics here is the actual dyno run

http://users.bigpond.net.au/Morgan/787hvn.jpg

MYTO8

19-10-2007, 11:00 PM

By the look of the graph you have made a good power gain. I wouldnt be bothered with the figures but more increase. 40kw is certinly good. if your happy thats all that matters. there is nothing to say that if you put it on another dyno it may read higher hp but you have still gained 40kw over stock. You now have a good bench mark to measure against future mods (should you the same dyno for accurate comparison) cheers

XLR8 V8

20-10-2007, 07:06 AM

From my experience the Chiptorque dyno tends to read a little lower than others.
When we had our first QLD LS1 dyno day down there back in 2001, my car ran up at 157.5rwkw. I was really disappointed on the day and thought I had a dud engine in my 2 month old car. A few months later it read 171 on a different dyno, with no changes to the car or the way it felt on the road.

Then some time later, after just some intake mods and a catback, it ran up 192rwkw, followed by 205 after extractors, then 230 after a tune. The car was totally transformed from what it was ... the numbers don't matter - the difference in the way the car feels to drive is what matters. My choice of tuner gave me more BFYB than I'd ever thought possible

Don't be disappointed with your result, it's just a number - as long as it goes hard, that's all that matters (though you still should have gone to Powertorque instead ;) )

macca33

20-10-2007, 07:32 AM

Yep, as long as you are happy with the result, then good on you. There are plenty of shops out there who are not forum sponsors and undoubtedly do good work and it is disappointing to see people bag this bloke because he hasn't gone to their workshop of choice, for whatever reason.

Enjoy driving the car mate.

cheers,

Macca