Supercharger options for VE SSV [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

peachypete82

18-10-2007, 09:47 AM

Delco

18-10-2007, 09:59 AM

Hi all.

Its time to charge the SSV. Im gonna sell my VH weekend car and put the funds towards a little bit of boost!

I am looking at a terra charger, or something similar. I would prefer a PD, cause i dont want a cooler and for some reason dont want a charger hanging off the side.

Mine is a A6, which i hear is only good for 420 rwhp... which is a shame. It will do for now. My brother in law builds race autos so shortly he wants to get it out anyway to have a tinker and see what we can do with it, so will want to turn it up later.

Ideally, i would like 500rwhp...

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Pete

Terracharger is too small for the V6 so it wont cut it on your car , any supercharger will need to be intercooled , especially on a VE being higher comp , Harrop or PWR work well and are both intercooled if optioned properly.

if you are after big HP numbers then a Vortech will be your option , if you are after big torque then a PD is your option

EXCESSV

18-10-2007, 10:49 AM

valley mount whipples not available Dan? :up2sum:

Delco

18-10-2007, 11:01 AM

valley mount whipples not available Dan? :up2sum:

Manifold for the L98 is the issue , LS2 wouldnt be a problem.

Maybe Harrop have soemthing coming up :)

EXCESSV

18-10-2007, 12:40 PM

Manifold for the L98 is the issue , LS2 wouldnt be a problem.

Maybe Harrop have soemthing coming up :)but i like the look, sound and performance of a whipple :bawl:

Ken

18-10-2007, 03:12 PM

Manifold for the L98 is the issue , LS2 wouldnt be a problem. Maybe Harrop have soemthing coming up :)

We have HH112 & HH122 in stock for both LS2 & L98 VE's.
For the sort of power sort (500rwhp), an upgraded fuel pump/lines/exhaust/valve-springs will be mandatory and we would recommend a built engine. Maybe even consider our new HTV2300 (next month).

Regarding the sound of Harrop or Whipple - I would doubt that anybody could pick the difference if optioned appropriately. We can make the Harrop kit fairly quiet, and can also make it scream :)

TLX

18-10-2007, 03:49 PM

Prefer mine to scream thanks Ken:rofl:

Alex(AUS)

18-10-2007, 04:13 PM

our new HTV2300 (next month).

What is a HTV2300 and how does it differ?

Alex

peachypete82

03-11-2007, 09:13 AM

Terracharger is too small for the V6 so it wont cut it on your car , any supercharger will need to be intercooled , especially on a VE being higher comp , Harrop or PWR work well and are both intercooled if optioned properly.

if you are after big HP numbers then a Vortech will be your option , if you are after big torque then a PD is your option

Hi Dan

I will need to call you to discuss this.. I just sold my race car so going to drop something on the ss.. I would like my gearbox soughted first... i still changes automatically in manual mode and wont change at the new redline in automode... bloody frustrating... When can you sought it out for me? Let me know and i will drop it in

I spoke to my brother in law about the box.... hes keen to have a play around with it (could be a good market for hopups if its reasonably easy to achieve, and it looks like the box is alot easier to get out than the older commos so its a easier job). hes been keen to get his hands on one and see whats possible... so we might do some r&d on mine and try turn up some numbers and see how it holds up.

I will call you next week to discuss the options

Cheers

P.s has yours had the battery dying issue? mine keeps saying contact dealer.. so i take it in and they say its the battery...but never seam to be able to fix the issue.

Delco

03-11-2007, 10:35 AM

Hi Dan

I will need to call you to discuss this.. I just sold my race car so going to drop something on the ss.. I would like my gearbox soughted first... i still changes automatically in manual mode and wont change at the new redline in automode... bloody frustrating... When can you sought it out for me? Let me know and i will drop it in

I spoke to my brother in law about the box.... hes keen to have a play around with it (could be a good market for hopups if its reasonably easy to achieve, and it looks like the box is alot easier to get out than the older commos so its a easier job). hes been keen to get his hands on one and see whats possible... so we might do some r&d on mine and try turn up some numbers and see how it holds up.

I will call you next week to discuss the options

Cheers

P.s has yours had the battery dying issue? mine keeps saying contact dealer.. so i take it in and they say its the battery...but never seam to be able to fix the issue.

Give me a ring , made 770rwhp todqay out of a blown VE GTS , very nice on the road :)

I can sort your box out now :)

vt350phantom

03-11-2007, 10:54 AM

Give me a ring , made 770rwhp todqay out of a blown VE GTS , very nice on the road :)

I can sort your box out now :)

Sounds like new tyres will be required on a regular basis :lol: :lol:

TLX

03-11-2007, 12:38 PM

Give me a ring , made 770rwhp todqay out of a blown VE GTS , very nice on the road :)

I can sort your box out now :)

what was the combination in the GTS Dan:)

Tully

BlwnVF GTS

03-11-2007, 12:58 PM

Give me a ring , made 770rwhp todqay out of a blown VE GTS , very nice on the road :)

I can sort your box out now :)

Gday mate what blower was this and any other mods if any Cheers

afterburner

14-11-2007, 09:26 PM

P.s has yours had the battery dying issue? mine keeps saying contact dealer.. so i take it in and they say its the battery...but never seam to be able to fix the issue.

Holden have a fix for the flat battery issue. I took my VE in last week and they updated the software to resolve this issue.

I am also researching a supercharger for my SS VE. Any advise and opinion would be very welcome.

CSP

14-11-2007, 09:47 PM

Harrop have done an awesome one on a VE in the UK...

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/43Large.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/40Large.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/42Large.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/47Large.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/44Large.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/46Large.jpg

It's in this mogrel of an boner maker:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc80/cspbiz/147Large.jpg

Mojo

14-11-2007, 10:07 PM

We have HH112 & HH122 in stock for both LS2 & L98 VE's.
For the sort of power sort (500rwhp), an upgraded fuel pump/lines/exhaust/valve-springs will be mandatory and we would recommend a built engine. Maybe even consider our new HTV2300 (next month).

Gday Ken

so what sort of $$ are we talkin here....

Ken

15-11-2007, 01:54 PM

Harrop have done an awesome one on a VE in the UK......snip ...
That is partially our kit, but not all of it. The visible differences are the intake tube and air-box. What is shown is significantly different to our kit.
We include a high-flow Cold Air Induction and filter in the standard kit.
Our standard kit looks like:
http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/superchargers/stealth_hh112-ve.html
http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/superchargers/images/supercharger_right.html
http://gallery.harrop.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=734

http://gallery.harrop.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=737

Gday Ken so what sort of $$ are we talkin here....
Retail prices are:
HH112 intercooled kits: $9,990
HH122 intercooled kits: $10,990
HTV2300 intercooled kits (inc 8PK drive): $12,490
:)

CSP

15-11-2007, 02:06 PM

Any Alloytec V6 options?

Alex(AUS)

15-11-2007, 03:43 PM

Ken,

Can you tell us more about the HTV2300? Boost curve, inlet temps, power, torque etc ...

Thanks,

Alex

GETUTED

15-11-2007, 03:53 PM

no doubt about it the Harrop SC look the goods :cool:

maquina

15-11-2007, 05:02 PM

The Black Ve GTS with harrop supercharger in the previous page can be seen in action in film clip called "V8 smoke & noise" at about 3min20sec on youtube.

Sorry couldnt post the link as i dont have 10 posts yet.

Cheers,
Danny.

ukhsv

15-11-2007, 05:41 PM

The first pictures are of the "Wortec" kit as sold in the UK....

It has the OEM looking air box, but the box has a 100mm cold air induction kit mounted inside it running down into a large cone filter in the inner wing.

The rest of the kit is pure "Harrop"

"Ken" any info on the 2300 kit would be nice to see!!

Ken

15-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Ken,
Can you tell us more about the HTV2300? Boost curve, inlet temps, power, torque etc ...
Thanks, Alex

The first pictures are of the "Wortec" kit as sold in the UK....
It has the OEM looking air box, but the box has a 100mm cold air induction kit mounted inside it running down into a large cone filter in the inner wing.
The rest of the kit is pure "Harrop"

"Ken" any info on the 2300 kit would be nice to see!!

The HTV2300 is designed specifically for "Big" engines ... it is not really suitable for anything less than 6 liter with a cam and a bit of "work".
It is hard to post much relevant data, as most of the development has been on 402 - 408 - 427ci with medium to big cams & heads. The GTO I drive has a 408ci with 225-235/115 'ish cam, our heads and a mild calibration ... it currently pulls about 450rwkw on a Mainline(?) dyno through the MAF (have not yet got around to a 2-Bar for it). Torque is ~800Nm@4200, but has ~700Nm@2000rpm. It is pushing ~14psi and IATs peak at about 60 when doing multiple runs.
GM Performance/TA Engines built an LS7 with one of the pre-production HTV2300's and it pulled ~1000fwhp.

We have built ~2000 Eaton TVS2300 based superchargers this year... nearly all have gone to the USA and will be sold as a Ford Racing product with some going in a 600fwhp off-the-showroom-floor Mustang with full warranty. :eyes:

They are good .... VERY good.
:)

Any Alloytec V6 options?

Not yet from us ...
(Watch out in 2008 tho').

TLX

15-11-2007, 06:17 PM

Yep...i'll take one of those HTV's thanks:bow:

Alex(AUS)

15-11-2007, 06:20 PM

The HTV2300 is designed specifically for "Big" engines ... it is not really suitable for anything less than 6 liter with a cam and a bit of "work".
It is hard to post much relevant data, as most of the development has been on 402 - 408 - 427ci with medium to big cams & heads. The GTO I drive has a 408ci with 225-235/115 'ish cam, our heads and a mild calibration ... it currently pulls about 450rwkw on a Mainline(?) dyno through the MAF (have not yet got around to a 2-Bar for it). Torque is ~800Nm@4200, but has ~700Nm@2000rpm. It is pushing ~14psi and IATs peak at about 60 when doing multiple runs.
GM Performance/TA Engines built an LS7 with one of the pre-production HTV2300's and it pulled ~1000fwhp.

We have built ~2000 Eaton TVS2300 based superchargers this year... nearly all have gone to the USA and will be sold as a Ford Racing product with some going in a 600fwhp off-the-showroom-floor Mustang with full warranty. :eyes:

They are good .... VERY good.
:)

Not yet from us ...
(Watch out in 2008 tho').

Thanks for the info ...

What do you recommend for a stock standard LS2 Ken? The new Kenne Bell twin screw superchargers look very impressive on paper how do your units compare?

Thanks,

Alex

B-REX

15-11-2007, 07:31 PM

We have built ~2000 Eaton TVS2300 based superchargers this year... nearly all have gone to the USA and will be sold as a Ford Racing product with some going in a 600fwhp off-the-showroom-floor Mustang with full warranty. :eyes:

They are good .... VERY good.

Ken,
can you enlighten us on this one? I assume the TVS2300 is the "twin Vortices" unit of a similar design to one fitted to the TRD Aurion.
Any chance of posting drawings or pictures showing the differences between the rotors of the standard Eaton unit, the HH unit and the Twin Vortices unit.

Just curious.

Ken

16-11-2007, 07:08 AM

Thanks for the info ... What do you recommend for a stock standard LS2 Ken? The new Kenne Bell twin screw superchargers look very impressive on paper how do your units compare? Thanks, Alex

To recommend something I would need to know more about your objectives and expectations, however both the HH112 & HH122 are good for the LS2.
- The HH112 is extremely good value and will support a standard LS2 for typical street grunting.
- The HH122 is ideal if the engine has had, or will have, minor tweaks such as exhaust, head/cam, etc. The HH122 is the most favoured kit we have made to date.

I have no knowledge of any Kenne Bell system that will fit into a Commodore (without significant modification).
By definition, a twin screw is a compressor and therefore has no method of reducing the drive load when "cruising" (unless clutched) and will require a well sorted drive system ... or reqular belt replacement. This does not make them any less viable, but we have elected not to release our twin-screw kit for sale as we did not consider the drive system or performance to be durable enough considering the premium cost to manufacture them.
:1peek:

ukhsv

16-11-2007, 07:30 AM

Ken

16-11-2007, 09:18 AM

"Ken" does the HTV2300 produce its power in the traditional positive displacement style ie. a good flat torque from 2000rpm or is it more of a BHP generator like a Vortec charger making good torque at higher RPM?............this would be in relation to a high reving 6ltr+ engine.

It definately has the traditional PD advantage of great low-down grunt, however the flow curve is reasonably linear so there is not the same higher-rpm limitation of the earlier model Roots.
I have been spinning the HTV2300 to ~20000rpm without the drop in efficency and increased heat of the traditional Eaton-based products.
:1peek:

ukhsv

16-11-2007, 05:44 PM

Ken

16-11-2007, 06:04 PM

Thanks for the info "Ken", it sounds just right for my requirements. One other thing....is the 8 rib belt set up ready to fit onto a E Series GTS? and does it consist of new pulley wheels for all the ancillaries or have you take a new drive from the crank and retained the 6pk belt? (a pic might help?) Thanks

We replace all OE pulleys and the harmonic balancer (except water-pump).
We have not yet released our L76-offset (VE) 8PK kit yet. It will be available in December or January when we release the production HTV2300 for VE.
Visible http://gallery.harrop.com.au/main.php?g2_itemId=399

:)

Ken,
can you enlighten us on this one? I assume the TVS2300 is the "twin Vortices" unit of a similar design to one fitted to the TRD Aurion.
Any chance of posting drawings or pictures showing the differences between the rotors of the standard Eaton unit, the HH unit and the Twin Vortices unit.

Just curious.

Details can be seen on the Eaton site ... http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServices/PerformanceProducts/Products/Superchargers/TVS/index.htm

:bow:

ringram

18-12-2007, 09:21 AM

Any plans for an HTV1900?

Ken

18-12-2007, 09:42 AM

Any plans for an HTV1900?

We make HTV1320's & HTV1900's in both face-mount & lug-mount, but have elected not to build them as a kit for the Gen-III/IV at this stage. We believe the performance advantage of the HTV1900 over the HH122 on a Gen-III/IV will not justify the cost premium for the HTV1900.

However ... testing continues.
:)

Alex(AUS)

18-12-2007, 10:42 AM

We make HTV1320's & HTV1900's in both face-mount & lug-mount, but have elected not to build them as a kit for the Gen-III/IV at this stage. We believe the performance advantage of the HTV1900 over the HH122 on a Gen-III/IV will not justify the cost premium for the HTV1900.

However ... testing continues.
:)

Hi Ken,

When will we see some HTV2300 results?

Thanks,

Alex

Ken

18-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Hi Ken,
When will we see some HTV2300 results?
Thanks,
Alex

There are only a few installed as yet ... we have only done a pre-production of ~5 kits and it would be inappropriate of me to post any specific customers results or details without their permission/endorsment.
The units I know of include:
- 402ci, ~465rwkw
- 427ci, ~1000fwhp
- 364ci (LS2 in VE, small cam), ~405rwkw.

I expect the other 2 or 3 will have results within a week or two.

:)

Alex(AUS)

18-12-2007, 11:00 AM

There are only a few installed as yet ... we have only done a pre-production of ~5 kits and it would be inappropriate of me to post any specific customers results or details without their permission/endorsment.
The units I know of include:
- 402ci, ~465rwkw
- 427ci, ~1000fwhp
- 364ci (LS2 in VE, small cam), ~405rwkw.

I expect the other 2 or 3 will have results within a week or two.

:)

Hi Ken,

Can you also quote some boost levels for those results and perhaps intake temp advantages over HH units.

Thanks,

Alex

Ken

18-12-2007, 11:32 AM

Hi Ken,
Can you also quote some boost levels for those results and perhaps intake temp advantages over HH units.
Thanks, Alex

I can only comment on personal experience with the 402ci ...
- Pressure: ~13psi (have run as high as 16, but the engine is getting a little tired to support that :eek: ).
- Temps: Typically ~55C, and ~70C after multiple dyno runs. Note: this is measured in the manifold/port at the head face. A standard NA car registers 45-50C when the sensor is placed in a similar position.
:cool: