bike law's

[rex187pimp]

does anyone know what happens if you ride a 1000cc motorbike and your only on your L's? what actually happens, ive heard loss of license and huge fine? and then ive heard just huge fine and points lost, no loss of license...? anyone know the real story.. anyone had this happen to him?

[Road Warrior]

They'll probably just bust you for riding out of class and give you a fine, but it all depends on what your riding behaviour was like when they caught you...

[Gareth@Willall]

does anyone know what happens if you ride a 1000cc motorbike and your only on your L's? what actually happens, ive heard loss of license and huge fine? and then ive heard just huge fine and points lost, no loss of license...? anyone know the real story.. anyone had this happen to him?

If you get off a learner bike onto a 1000cc and dont crash it first big twist of the throttle you should be given a medal :1peek:

[clubbie]

In SA it used to be a fine of $198 for incorrect licence, no loss of points, no loss of licence, BUT I think I read somewhere that is changing or has changed. As long as you were not pulling a mono and splitting lanes being followed for 8km's at speed you should be fine.

Clubbie

[klink]

I would asume it would fall under riding without a licence.

and the penalty for that varies from state to state.

Driving without a licence can result in a jail term if the judge is having a bad day. from memory its max 3mths jail for driving whilst unlicensed and a big fine.

I say get the appropriate licence as you will not have insurance to cover your bike, the other persons property let alone compul 3rd party.

so it could cost you alot more than you think.

under compul 3rd party if they make a c laim within first 3yrs max is approx 80k if they wait till after 3yrs the sjy is the limit so you could ruin your life forever.

Paul

[DUBES]

Hi
Been a while since this applied to me but I returned to bike riding after a long hiatus and had to go on my L's again, bought a zzr250. Tried 250cbr-rr then bought a 600f4i within the month as it was a $100 approx fine, no loss of license, no points.

I didn't upgrade for power reasons but for size and some decent bloody brakes. 100kg no good on a bike designed for 60kg.

That was a while ago though, might have changed.

Regards Dubes.

[bambam]

The fine IS $116 and no demerit points. You can get done as many times as you want. Just gotta keep paying! Its a code2111 "license condition" fine. Same as getting done driving a manual car on an auto license or not wearing glasses if your license says you have to.

Its not unlicensed riding at all. You still have a "full license" or a "probationary license" but there is a condition on it. TAC will cover you but your insurance company may or may not cover you. Depends if the police get involved with the accident or not usually. I know people who have made claims and gotten paid out and others who havent. Thats the chance you take.

I have 3 so far. 20 days to go till its not an issue.

Garethss,

When do i get my medal?? Went from a Hyo250 to a spanking new ZX10. The 10 is actually an easier bike to ride providing you have the restraint to control your right wrist. Handles better, stops better, goes better but yeah, if youre a dickhead then youre gonna get yourself in to trouble on one.

Also its kinda irrelevant anyways. Lots of people jump from a 250 to a new 600 and nobody says shit about it. The reality is there is FUGG all difference between a new 600 and a new 1000 on the road. Tracks may be a little different when you can wind the fu$#ers out on a long straight, but on the road, theyre both as quick as each other.

Edit: To the OP. Just read that you said "learners". If thats the case then they can well and truely bend you over and give you the reaming of a lifetime. A learners permit is NOT a license and therefor you will get done for unlicensed riding and will not be allowed to ride off on the bike if you get done for it.

[Gareth@Willall]

When do i get my medal??

Notice I said first BIG twist of the throttle..... A zzr250 is a lot different to a zx10 in 2nd gear when u nail it yea ;)

And to be honest with you... I had a 600 and a 900 on my R-date :1peek: and I didnt hurt my self..... Self restraint! But I know of people who have done the same and have hurt them selves.... One even crashed my zx9r for me! They also seem to be the kinda people that crash v6 commodores in the dry :rofl: You know... Useless people!

[DUBES]

Haha, funny you should mention that zx10 bambam, thats eventually what I graduated to. Wild wild ride. demands respect. Could get the back wheel leaving the ground consistantly on hard brakes before corner. Had to get rid of it , would have lost my license sooner or later. The thing would only comfortably cruise at 130km on freeway.

dubes

[klink]

Haha, funny you should mention that zx10 bambam, thats eventually what I graduated to. Wild wild ride. demands respect. Could get the back wheel leaving the ground consistantly on hard brakes before corner. Had to get rid of it , would have lost my license sooner or later. The thing would only comfortably cruise at 130km on freeway.

dubes

Since i have never ridden a zx10 i am wondering, did you take the time to have the suspension setup properly or was it just left at the factory settings allowing it to lift the rear wheel under hard breaking?

I would have thought that this may have been a result of in appropriate settings in the compression/rebound/spring rates in the front forks, allowing for the front to dip rapidly. If they were adjusted correctly it should have prevented this and made it alot more stable under braking hence creating greater corner speed due to increased stability on entering the corner.

Paul

[Smitty]

The fine IS $116 and no demerit points. You can get done as many times as you want. Just gotta keep paying! Its a code2111 "license condition" fine. Same as getting done driving a manual car on an auto license or not wearing glasses if your license says you have to.

Its not unlicensed riding at all. You still have a "full license" or a "probationary license" but there is a condition on it. TAC will cover you but your insurance company may or may not cover you. Depends if the police get involved with the accident or not usually. I know people who have made claims and gotten paid out and others who havent. Thats the chance you take.

I have 3 so far. 20 days to go till its not an issue.

.

just asked my neighbour ..a friendly member of VicPol about this
what you state is correct if you have a licence ....a 'P' licence
with
its restrictions ...but an L licence is not a full licence in Vic

from memory (he wants to check it today) if you get done riding
the 'large' bike on Ls...its the same penalty for an L plater as riding with a
BAC greater than 0...loss of licence for 12 months and he thought
$156 fine

will get back to you when he confirms........

[Trek52]

If you hit someone and they die, you will do a fair bit of time in jail. Sorry boys but it is a stupid thing to do. Why risk it ?

[RATTLER]

If you hit someone and they die, you will do a fair bit of time in jail. Sorry boys but it is a stupid thing to do. Why risk it ?

I agree!! Even me jumping from a ZX9 to a ZX14 is a HUGE difference!! Jumping from a 250 to a 1000 can only leed to disaster! Obey the laws, they are there for a reason! :)

[bambam]

I agree!! Even me jumping from a ZX9 to a ZX14 is a HUGE difference!! Jumping from a 250 to a 1000 can only leed to disaster! Obey the laws, they are there for a reason! :)

The laws are crap. A noob rider can go out and get his p's and then not even own a bike or ride a bike for 12months and then get straight on a 600. Sure he's probably gonna kill himself but hey, he's doing it legally i guess. :confused:

Ultimately, as i said before, jumping from a 250 to a 600 is just as big a jump as going from a 250 to a 1000. Theres fugg all difference between a current 600 and a current thou. some riders will have the ability to jump straight on a bigger bike and some wont. Its all about self control and maturity.

[Trek52]

It is not about the difference in power it is about the law. I could do low 1.40's at EC on a 600 long before I had a license so you could say I could handle the power of a bigger bike. But when I got my license I had to ride a 250, they are the rules.

The issue is what happens if you hit someone or something riding a bike you shouldnt. That equals stupid, it would be like me driving a B double, I would have a crack at it but if I killed a kid I would go straight to jail for a long time.

[bambam]

The issue is what happens if you hit someone or something riding a bike you shouldnt.


Probably the same thing that would happen if you hit someone and werent wearing your glasses. Or you were driving a manual car with an auto license. I have a FULL car license and a FULL motorcycle license so it really isnt an issue. If there was a dispute between you and the other driver and their insurance company contested the payout, then yeah you MAY come unstuck but if i killed or disabled someone on my bike, as bad as that would be regardless of licensed or not, TAC will still cover me and more importantly THEM.

This arguement is irrelevant anyway. The OP was talking about riding a larger bike on LEARNERS which is not a license in any way, shape or form. If he did the same thing then he is well and truely fugged.

[MANHYPERSS]

I went from 85 RZ 250 2 stroke twin to 99 R1 had R1 standing on back wheel for three gears the second day i owned it :-) much easier bike to ride, not affected by the wind as much, better braking and didn't track on bad roads, but yes lots of power to get you into trouble if you were not careful.

I had my learners for about 2 mths with the RZ then got the R1 rode it though rest of my Ls and Ps, The biggest thing is just keeping out of trouble, go out on the back roads for a play, these idiots that do it in town and on the highway just makes the police hate all bike riders.

I got tol that while on my Ps and riding anything bigger than a 250 was a $265 fine no points and you can get don as many times as you can pay for.

[ByfordBlade]

Hang on a sec while I climb up onto my high horse :)

Regardless of your licence type, etc anyone can jump on a litre bike and ride around safely if they have common sense and restraint. I've known people to go from 250's to 1100's without a problem, and people to go from an early 90's 1100 to a 2006 litre bike and be the most dangerous hing out there on 2 wheels.

Regardless of the law, the major concern is insurance - not only if you dump it and find yourself $15k out of pocket, but moreso if you happen to take another rider with you and he/she is potentially in a situation where you owe them a lot of cash too. It does happen as most of us do a lot of riding in groups and it's in groups where the red mist appears and crashes happen.

If you want to ride something bigger then get a track bike for the adrenaline on weekends and keep the little one for day to day riding.

Just my 2c - other than that, don't do it.

Mick

[19OTU]

qld laws are no good!!!

[Ben WH Grange]

Just pull the 1000 stickers of it, then you wont get pulled over for obviously riding out of your class. If you get pulled over for something else and he checks the rego sticker you're screwed though.
A mate had a big KTM 525 or something like that and put a fake sticker on it saying 300 until he got off his L's. Dont think he ever got pulled over though so hard to know if it worked!

[ajet85]

So for victoria do any one no the penalty for L's riding a 600 bc thats what i was thinking of doing seen im a bigger guy a 250 wouldnt move with me.
(basically like a pocket bike for me)

[Scommo]

I plan on going to a 2004+ model 600 from a 97 Honda CT110 (postie bike) :rofl:

I should be right

[CATACK]

Hi guys, When i got my bike licence i went straight out and bought a VTR100 firestorm in blue, i only had my licence for 3 days and got the bike. I was pulled over 3 times and received 3 fines $125 each with no points lost. 14 months later i wiped it off and received insurance payout and put that money towards my new VE SS.... Not as quick but more relaxing....

Cheers...

[clubbie]

Hi guys, When i got my bike licence i went straight out and bought a VTR100 firestorm in blue, i only had my licence for 3 days and got the bike. I was pulled over 3 times and received 3 fines $125 each with no points lost. 14 months later i wiped it off and received insurance payout and put that money towards my new VE SS.... Not as quick but more relaxing....

Cheers...

Thats you problem right there...VTR100 Firestorm:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[MANHYPERSS]

Should have got a postie 110 lol

[rex187pimp]

thanks guys for all the imput, ive got my Full licence on the bike now, but have "E" conditions, and ive bought myself a 2007 ZX10R Kawasaki, and had it since I didn't even have a licence. And no troubles with the law, *knocks on wood*, I dont do stupid stunts or anything, but I do slip thru the middle at red lights, thats as bad as I get. Ive learnt on this bike, never ridden a bike in my life till I bought it. And I've fully got the hang of riding it properly and sensible, never dropped it. And can takes corners nicely ;)

Really appreciate everyones info on the law's as it's helped me with my enquiries. THANKS ALL!!!

[KiWi]

Can anyone shed light, on the rumour, that they are going to lift the cc rating for learners to up to 600cc in VIC?

Thanks in advance

Simon

[LC308]

thanks guys for all the imput, ive got my Full licence on the bike now, but have "E" conditions, and ive bought myself a 2007 ZX10R Kawasaki, and had it since I didn't even have a licence. And no troubles with the law, *knocks on wood*, I dont do stupid stunts or anything, but I do slip thru the middle at red lights, thats as bad as I get. Ive learnt on this bike, never ridden a bike in my life till I bought it. And I've fully got the hang of riding it properly and sensible, never dropped it. And can takes corners nicely ;)

Really appreciate everyones info on the law's as it's helped me with my enquiries. THANKS ALL!!!

So you leant to ride on a 2007 ZX10R? And it's 2008 now, so in 2-3 years you have learnt how to ride a 1000cc rocket. Do you rev it or putt on around on it? Did you ride dirt bikes before you bought the ZX10R?

[MANHYPERSS]

Sorry to say, but i have ridin dirt bikes since i could walk and road bikes as soon as i was 18, didnt get my road licence till i was 24 and registered my ex race 350 2 stroke, rode that for 12mths and have had my R1 for nearly 3 years, I can do all the usual stand ups ect, but what i would like to say is that i dont think anyone with a 1000cc bike can ever say they are not learning something everytime you ride it. Even the top riders like Valentino ect are learning everytime they sit on a bike, Take it easy and what out for your limits, they can get you before you can even flinch.

[LC308]

just wanting to get the story right. A kid was killed down the road a few kay on his mums R1.

[MANHYPERSS]

What are you on about LC308??