Tartarini LPG System?

[rokkz]

Guys

Have done a fair amount of reading re: LPG Conversions

Is there any pro's or con's tartarini has that standsout from other brands.

Is it also the norm to have this system switch back to Petrol when idling?
And under heavy acceleration/load automatically or an extra? which is the better option?

Is there any integration with the Commodore/Berlina's LCD re: LPG fuel Level indication as I believe with the Impco system.

Am in the Werribee/Airport West Areas.


Ride:2003 VY Series II Berlina V6 3.8 Ecotech

Cheers

[Bitza]

Tartarini gas equip has been around a long time, I've never used it, have seen it on vehicles and haven't really heard anything bad about either. It might pay to ask some installers to see what they have to say.

[TUFFIE]

Guys

Have done a fair amount of reading re: LPG Conversions

Is there any pro's or con's tartarini has that standsout from other brands.

Is it also the norm to have this system switch back to Petrol when idling?
And under heavy acceleration/load automatically or an extra? which is the better option?

Is there any integration with the Commodore/Berlina's LCD re: LPG fuel Level indication as I believe with the Impco system.

Am in the Werribee/Airport West Areas.

Ride:2003 VY Series II Berlina V6 3.8 Ecotech

Cheers

If you are in the Werribee area there is a workshop in Hoppers crossing that do Gas Injection. Not sure about the V6 but I got a quote for my Gen 3. Its a Tartarini system.
Give BBL Automotive in Hoppers a ring 93600931 or pop in and see em.
The bloke I spoke to was more than happy to explain all the ins and out of this system.. if u r in the area pop in and see him.

[caliente]

Hi - I've gone through the trouble of signing up to this forum to warn fellow motorists regarding a conversion that went pretty wrong for me on the Tartarini Sequential Vapour LPG System.

I wont mention the company as that would be defamatory, but the vehicle is a Toyota Landcruiser Prado and it has responded absolutely terribly to the package. Issues galore, switching errors, fuel gauge issues, questionable economy figures, an absolute age to switch on the rare occasions it is successful - the list goes on and on and my dealer has no idea what is going on either.

Please just be aware when installing a Tartarini system into your car. Perhaps Holden/Fords are getting better results, but its been an absolute nightmare for me. What hurts more is that I spent nearly $5000 on the promise that this system was "superior" to the conventional units out there...

[255-LS1]

trouble is when you ring installers they will only talk up their brand so they can sell it to you, unless you find a good bloke.

[German Statesman]

Hi - I've gone through the trouble of signing up to this forum to warn fellow motorists regarding a conversion that went pretty wrong for me on the Tartarini Sequential Vapour LPG System.

I wont mention the company as that would be defamatory, but the vehicle is a Toyota Landcruiser Prado and it has responded absolutely terribly to the package. Issues galore, switching errors, fuel gauge issues, questionable economy figures, an absolute age to switch on the rare occasions it is successful - the list goes on and on and my dealer has no idea what is going on either.

Please just be aware when installing a Tartarini system into your car. Perhaps Holden/Fords are getting better results, but its been an absolute nightmare for me. What hurts more is that I spent nearly $5000 on the promise that this system was "superior" to the conventional units out there...

Thank you for posting what had to be said - this brand had a shocking reputation years ago, and the distributor at the time was even worse. The bad thing is that the johnny-come-lately installers that post on this board have no idea of the dramas that some of these brands cause, and are blinded by the profit they make.

I have posted before about the problems with cheap and nasty systems/installers, and those comments still ring true. I'll add on to them by saying:-

1. Italians make great food, wine, performance cars, jewellry and leather goods. You'll notice I didn't include LPG equipment of any sort.

2. The only conversions to have are with equipment known and used by OEMs (another Italian brand fitted to a German make of van is the exception there), installed by installers that have track records and experience longer than your arm, and relying on conversions/repairs as the bulk of their business. You will want to see examples of their work (photos), speak to customers that have had cars done by them, and satisfy yourself that you are going to get $5000 worth of satisfaction You'll notice I've highlighted some important bits.

3. Forget about what you will save over x number of years - the important issue is what you have to pull out of your pocket every week to keep your car running. Period. No argument to the contrary entertained.


In the years that I worked in the LPG industry, I lost count of the number of people that had bodgy LPG equipment fitted by inexperienced installers that don't know chicken salad from chicken shit, and were burned from the whole experience. I went nose to nose with an installer who had been doing conversions for a big two years, and had two cooked engines and numerous blown head gaskets on customers cars, yet he bagged us whenever someone mentioned us. Imagine an industry full of Derek Hockings, and you've come pretty close to what the LPG fitter industry is.

It is an unfortunate fact that good LPG installers are a minority, and the time you spend looking for them will pay off in the long run.

:teach: Class dismissed :)

[blownba]

Thank you for posting what had to be said - this brand had a shocking reputation years ago, and the distributor at the time was even worse. The bad thing is that the johnny-come-lately installers that post on this board have no idea of the dramas that some of these brands cause, and are blinded by the profit they make.

I have posted before about the problems with cheap and nasty systems/installers, and those comments still ring true. I'll add on to them by saying:-

1. Italians make great food, wine, performance cars, jewellry and leather goods. You'll notice I didn't include LPG equipment of any sort.

2. The only conversions to have are with equipment known and used by OEMs (another Italian brand fitted to a German make of van is the exception there), installed by installers that have track records and experience longer than your arm, and relying on conversions/repairs as the bulk of their business. You will want to see examples of their work (photos), speak to customers that have had cars done by them, and satisfy yourself that you are going to get $5000 worth of satisfaction You'll notice I've highlighted some important bits.

3. Forget about what you will save over x number of years - the important issue is what you have to pull out of your pocket every week to keep your car running. Period. No argument to the contrary entertained.


In the years that I worked in the LPG industry, I lost count of the number of people that had bodgy LPG equipment fitted by inexperienced installers that don't know chicken salad from chicken shit, and were burned from the whole experience. I went nose to nose with an installer who had been doing conversions for a big two years, and had two cooked engines and numerous blown head gaskets on customers cars, yet he bagged us whenever someone mentioned us. Imagine an industry full of Derek Hockings, and you've come pretty close to what the LPG fitter industry is.

It is an unfortunate fact that good LPG installers are a minority, and the time you spend looking for them will pay off in the long run.

:teach: Class dismissed :)

I agree with only one thing said here.

Do your homework and shop around. The fitter can make or break a system.

What you have said about Tartarini is typical of arrogant installers bagging the systems they do not fit.
Granted Tartarini initially had issues with dud injectors when it was first introduced into Australia. But Dr gas had that sorted pretty quick.
.The new matrix injectors are miles better and much more reliable BUT some times can be susceptible to oil contamination making the injectors sticky. That sucks. I have PLENTY of customers who LOVE their Tartarini injection and have never had problems with them. I would say at least 95% of them love the conversion and you don't have to take my word for it, there are plenty of Forums that have threads about my work with Tartarini injection. I have had 2 of my Tartarini conversions do FULL round Australia trips with NO isssues. If the system was so crap why have I had such a good run???
Plenty of High HP XR8's and 6.0L Commo's that run it with ZERO issues. Maybe I am just lucky or have had the benefit of being taught the right way to begin with and now 15 years of experience. I have had 4 cars with Tartarini injection now that I have had to clean out oil from Injectors. Out of how ever many I have done thats not bad. And once they have been cleaned once and the filters changed I have never had the same problem.
But I also use and recommend Eurogas VSI also as their software and hardware choices make the system work FLAWLESSLY. The Kehein injectors are by far the best vapour injectors on the market and do not have problems with oil contamination ect. And this the only brand I have fitten that has had ZERO issues with warranty due to the system.
For that reason I tend to go for the Eurogas system more. But it is harder to hide the injectors to make a hidden install like we do with the Tartarini stuff.
And I do not bag brands I don't use. I think they all have the potential to work perfectly if the installer has the time, skill and patience to make it work well.
Too often nowadays installers are too worried about the quantity of conversions being done than the quality of them.
And yes even experienced fitters with experience the length of their arms come unstuck daily cause they push cars out too early before they have been checked properly.
Some real big players in the industry have hurt their reputations to no end simply because of the sheer volume of their warranty issues and word gets around and people soon are talking about how crap their work is, when in reality its not its just that they have not got the time to 'personalize'; each conversion as should be done.
But your wrong about Italians and LPG. They have trumped the world with their technology. And you need to remember ALL VSI is Italian in one way or another. Ever wondered why so many different brands have the same ECU and Loom. Cause its all from AEB in Italy.
And if you are gonna tell me that the Italian JTG liquid injection is no good, I am really gonna fall on the floor laughing.

[German Statesman]

I judge a good installation in years and kilometres, and commercial use vehicles are a good example. If you have based your opinions on anything that has travelled less than 200,000kms running on gas, then you are blissfully unaware of what makes a good LPG system. I hope you don't take this personally, by the way - a long-term LPG installation business in Brisbane prospers to this day with 10+yr repeat customers from following this philosophy.

Commercial drivers are obviously high kilometre drivers - limos, couriers, cabs, etc. These blokes bank on at least 200,000kms plus before any major expenditure is required and usually this is in the form of a gearbox, head work e.g. valve stem seals/guides, diff - you get the drift.

If you've replaced a major component on a gas system before 200,000kms is on the clock, you are using the wrong equipment. Full stop. There is no reason why (including Euro gear) major parts such as convertors, mixers etc don't go this distance. The oil build-up from the fuel is drained away and/or cleaned regularly with carby cleaner, the major parts should be rebuildable with reasonably priced kits, and if you aren't tailoring LPG system maintenance plans to your customer's conditions, then you should be, because it saves them shelling out for replacement hard parts.

We had a small mountain of crap LPG equipment with failure mileages written on each part for customers to see when deciding on what equipment to buy. Each failed part was due to the failure of the component itself (not the customer - that wouldn't be fair to the equipment distributors), and that spoke volumes to everyone that saw it.

When you build your business on long term reloationships with your clients, you don't fit anything whether it be a Flying Penguin brand fan belt or a Graceful Elephant brand oil filter which will cause them and you heartache. People don't want their cars in your shop for unplanned visits - why fit parts/equipment that will increase the chance of that occuring???

There were three brands of LPG equipment that we fitted to clients cars, all able to pass the 200,000km mark without wallet pain. The record so far was a converter and mixer that simply wore out - 615,000kms on the odometer before this occured - and 400,000kms was common. Two limos we installed conversions to ran out of Dept Of Tpt time age wise before their LPG systems started failing on them, both had 500,000kms on them.

Trust me - impressions are built long term, not after a couple of months/kms.

Cheers

JOHN

[Highway]

I judge a good installation in years and kilometres, and commercial use vehicles are a good example. If you have based your opinions on anything that has travelled less than 200,000kms running on gas, then you are blissfully unaware of what makes a good LPG system. I hope you don't take this personally, by the way - a long-term LPG installation business in Brisbane prospers to this day with 10+yr repeat customers from following this philosophy.

Commercial drivers are obviously high kilometre drivers - limos, couriers, cabs, etc. These blokes bank on at least 200,000kms plus before any major expenditure is required and usually this is in the form of a gearbox, head work e.g. valve stem seals/guides, diff - you get the drift.

If you've replaced a major component on a gas system before 200,000kms is on the clock, you are using the wrong equipment. Full stop. There is no reason why (including Euro gear) major parts such as convertors, mixers etc don't go this distance. The oil build-up from the fuel is drained away and/or cleaned regularly with carby cleaner, the major parts should be rebuildable with reasonably priced kits, and if you aren't tailoring LPG system maintenance plans to your customer's conditions, then you should be, because it saves them shelling out for replacement hard parts.

We had a small mountain of crap LPG equipment with failure mileages written on each part for customers to see when deciding on what equipment to buy. Each failed part was due to the failure of the component itself (not the customer - that wouldn't be fair to the equipment distributors), and that spoke volumes to everyone that saw it.

When you build your business on long term reloationships with your clients, you don't fit anything whether it be a Flying Penguin brand fan belt or a Graceful Elephant brand oil filter which will cause them and you heartache. People don't want their cars in your shop for unplanned visits - why fit parts/equipment that will increase the chance of that occuring???

There were three brands of LPG equipment that we fitted to clients cars, all able to pass the 200,000km mark without wallet pain. The record so far was a converter and mixer that simply wore out - 615,000kms on the odometer before this occured - and 400,000kms was common. Two limos we installed conversions to ran out of Dept Of Tpt time age wise before their LPG systems started failing on them, both had 500,000kms on them.

Trust me - impressions are built long term, not after a couple of months/kms.

Cheers

JOHN

Thanks for the information John.

I am getting gas fitted in a few months and do high k's each year.

Can you let me know which brands you can recommend to last with little hassles.

PM with the info in need.

Mike