DON'T Street Race... Another reason why

[XR6T GEN]

Apart from the obvious reasons why, here is another...

I was cruising down the Great Western Highway, west of Sydney in my Xr6 Turbo. I know its got plenty of pace if needed.

Anyhow, I noticed in my rear vision mirror a FPV Typhoon slowly creeping up on me, He got to about half a car length behind just crusing, he would drop back a little and then give it a squirt to catch me but stayed just a little behind.

I refused to be baited into a battle, Im just not into street racing. I like my car whether its quicker or not. (I reckon I would have won, im running 14psi)

Anyhow, This Typhoon followed me and stayed just half a car behind.

Then we stopped at the lights, the windows were darkly tinted but I looked over and guess what....

The Laptop screen and two Police officers in the Orange Typhoon. They were trying to bait me into a race, they would have absolutely thrown the book at me if I had given it a little squirt.

When the lights went green, they absolutely bolted away off the mark, I just kept cruising. They then did the same thing to a car ahead up the road.

Thats entrapment, who knows how many people were baited into a race with that orange Typhoon and then booked or fined.

Im not into racing on the street but their tactics to bait a race is just unfair.

Any other experiences???

who here could hold back if a Typhoon was tickling you for a fight? I did

[Redline]

Cops have been doing this for years, so its nothing new.

I would say if your stupid enough to fall into their trap and actually race them then you deserve what you get.

It might be entrapment but you would have a hard time proving it considering its one of the biggest "grey" areas in Australian Law. If police can use entrapment to fake drug shipments into the country to catch smugglers then baiting someone into a drag race is a no brainer.

On the other hand though.....if there was an accident.........different story :confused:

[KPWISHN]

who here could hold back if a Typhoon was tickling you for a fight? I did

Not me. If that happened to me I don't reckon I could help myself. :doh:

Low life act on their behalf. Did you get their plates. Dob those ass wipes in.

[Ridin-High]

XR6T GEN, no word of a lie i saw the same typhoon on mulgoa road in penrith, it had pulled over a nissan skyline...on saturday (17th) around 10.30pm... i was going to make a post on it but feel asleep :P

[CarlFST60L]

Not me. If that happened to me I don't reckon I could help myself. :doh:

Low life act on their behalf. Did you get their plates. Dob those ass wipes in.

I would have a hard time not at least giving it a quick squirt...

I would have written down there details and gone to formally complain about there driving tactics as 'unsafe' and 'encouraging street racing'

[XR6T GEN]

XR6T GEN, no word of a lie i saw the same typhoon on mulgoa road in penrith, it had pulled over a nissan skyline...on saturday (17th) around 10.30pm... i was going to make a post on it but feel asleep :P

Must be the same Typhoon, they are just prowling in that car trying to bait people. I saw the car on 18th November at about 6.30pm. The car followed me on great Western Highway from Blacktown to St Marys about 10km. So its only about 10km from your sighting.

[GODSMACK]

Even if you dont have their plates, couldnt you still file a complaint. If you told them it was a orange Typhoon, seeing in area/street A,B and C etc, surely they'd know which car it was. If you give them the dates, then they would be able to trace back as to which officer had the car allocated on that given day...

Baiting people to race is a low act, but im not surprised.

[Hammer]

only race your mates, and dont go to silly eg up to 100 then brake it back to the speedlimit on the highway

[XR6T GEN]

They are definately using that car for a purpose to bait street racers. Firstly, cops dont usually have typhoons, secondly the typhoon is a well documented car with straight line squirt and worthly of a battle, thirdly it is bright orange, fourthly it has a very dark tint on it, fifthly two cops were riding in it so good luck if you try and say you were baited.

The area that the car is driven is known for many modified cars, holden, ford, subaru, nissan etc etc. Great Western highway usually gets a few races at the lights.

Some accountant at the police must have said, well its gonna cost us an extra $20k to get us a typhoon but we will get that back if we bait a few racers.

[seedyrom]

who here could hold back if a Typhoon was tickling you for a fight?
I have to admit, my licence would be gooooooone

[VX2VESS]

also police shouldn't exceed the limit unless they have real reason to do so, in pursuit, going to a crime scene etc.

Harassing others driving into speeding up that way isn't fair to anyone. they should just wait until the other driver just does it of their own accord. i may speed up if someone is sitting to close to me, or slow down more. if i got pissed off by it i could speed up.

although if i was a cop i must admit it would be tempting to do this. some weird satisfaction of suckering someone.

[EXCESSV]

yep same thing over here on the other side of the country

there is a blue XR6turbo running around tempting ppl to run them off the lights as my brother found out.
he has a standard BA XR6 and didnt even waste his time as he knew he would lose to a a BA XR6Turbo....he saw the police computer and there badges at the next lights when they wound there window down a bit as the tints were limo grade at least

also a few years back now when the VX was relatively newish...there was a black one with a GENIII and the most insane sounding exhaust and he used to rev it up at the lights and try and get ppl to run him.....then pull ya over and throw the book at ya

and the other day i say a white marked WRX car but no lights on top :confused:

[VX2VESS]

a cop moved in next door to me recently. doesn't talk much. but they have a crackdown on MC bikes in the area. his sons mates come up cover riding MC bikes on the road, he even gets on and rides on the road no helmet. 2 set of rules i guess.

[VX-300]

1) Dob the driver in as a "HOON"
2) Get the car crushed
3) Show up at the crushing with eskies and vid cam
4) Sell tickets and post vid on internet
5) Profit

[VX2VESS]

1) Dob the driver in as a "HOON"
2) Get the car crushed
3) Show up at the crushing with eskies and vid cam
4) Sell tickets and post vid on internet
5) Profit

hey i like that idea...

[Luke_]

It's a bit rich isn't it really.


I saw that, lucky I was in my girlfriend's Astra :)


There's also a blue one around Penrith

[bouka]

They are encouraging the very same behaviour that they are constantly telling us not to participate in. What is worse is that in order for them to "bait" people, they themselves are behaving in exactly the same manner that they subsequently fine you for.

For the guys in that unmarked typhoon to fall back and then catch up again they would have undoubtedly been speeding and driving erratically and recklessly (that is what they would say if it was you).

What happens if someone takes the bait and then tries to run when they see the re and blue lights. What happens if the guy trying to get away (not too far fetched a scenario by the way) looses control and kills themselves, or worse, kills other innocent people. Could go on all day about possible scenarios and the likely outcomes but i am sure that you get my point.

If someone is driving this way then they deserve what they get but to be enticed into this sort of behaviour is just poor and pathetic policing. Some more cynical than me may even go as far as suggesting that it may be a revenue raising exercise.

Like many of us, I have friends and some family in the police force and hold the utmost respect for them and their role so i am not bashing the force. The behaviour of the guys in the phoon though leaves allot to be desired.

[KPWISHN]

VX-300, :rofl: That's the go. haha. Ring Today Tonight and tell them. Or better still try and get the Chasers to come up with something.

[T_Kiwi]

yup, i would not hesitate to give it a go before, but now i have read this thread, i will be more cautious.

[-Jay-]

entrapment is illegal in victoria only!

just thought id let you guys know!

[bouka]

oh, and depending on mood, i would probably be parked on the side of the road getting to know them a little better.

[XR6T GEN]

To be honest I sort of waited up for him when he was behind, lucky I didnt see him when he was ahead or I might have tried to catch up to him to check out the phoon. Then find out he was a copper.

Someone contact a current affair to expose the phoon. Could you imagine, they would put a set of p plates on a HSV and flush out the phoon from behind a bush.

[SS-355]

This has happened to me twice,once in Sydney and once in Melbourne. Both times the aerials on every corner of the cop car gave the game away.So what do i do , i stall the car like im ready for a calder launch and when the lights change i take off like a granny and the coppers speed off thinking they have their next sucker.The look on the cops faces when i caught up to them,priceless:wave:. Surprised they didnt book me for being a smartar@e.

[VX2VESS]

This has happened to me twice,once in Sydney and once in Melbourne. Both times the aerials on every corner of the cop car gave the game away.So what do i do , i stall the car like im ready for a calder launch and when the lights change i take off like a granny and the coppers speed off thinking they have their next sucker.The look on the cops faces when i caught up to them,priceless:wave:. Surprised they didnt book me for being a smartar@e.

yeah excessive noise they might have tried instead.

the phoon guys would be back at the station laughing, guys got another dozen suckers today its great hooning around the roads and busting them for what we are doing ourselves.

[CV860L]

I was on my way to work in my Typhoon a few weeks back when a copper in a marked XR8 heading in the opposite direction decided to throw an illegal u-turn at a set of traffic lights and then booted it up to over 100km/h in a 70 zone to catch up to me.

He then sat 2 feet off my bumper until I turned into the driveway at work.
Once I had turned into the driveway he booted it again up to around 80km/h+ in a 50 zone...........

And this pr!ck has the right to take 3 points off me if I'm caught doing 10k's over!!! :flipoff::flipoff::flipoff:

[_MetalliX_]

I absolutely hate the double standards I see with some cops, right around the time where they started to get VE's as cop cars, I would see them fanging it around everywhere.

Ah well, what can you do, even going the speed limit won't help you anymore... thats how I lost mine.

[Freaky]

be careful people. NSW HP have purchased 10 of these. A mix of different colours as well.

[XR6T GEN]

This is in no way an attack on cops because they are doing a tough job out there against a dangerous practise that is street racing. If someone is hooning along grab them and throw the full force of the law at them.

To bait them with one hand (or in this instance a typhoon) and slapping them with the other is just wrong.

There is a patch of grass by the side of the road near where i live where people park their cars and offer them for sale. Sometimes an unmarked cop car sits amongst the bunch and waits for someone to speed past.

Its all gravelly so the person speeding will have a good start on them. Sometimes I wanna just stop my car and shine a spotlight on them to reveal them to everyone.

[VX-300]

Ah well, what can you do, even going the speed limit won't help you anymore... thats how I lost mine.

Trade in your radar detector for a rearward facing video camera with face recognition software. Program in a block head with a regulation mustache.

:)

[XR6T GEN]

The cops using these tactics is like going into a boxing match and one fighter allowed to throw low blows and kidney punches whilst the other has to fight fair.

Come on cops, just be fair thats all, catch the crooks, the guys who speed but baiting them, thats lower than kevin rudd's attacks on the coalition.

[CarlFST60L]

I just had a great vision in my head, me driving along, i notice that they are cops, so when they speed up my ass to bait me for a race, I think i see a child running near the side of the road and put the oversize R8 brakes to work ending up with a boot full of two stupid mofo cops :rofl::rofl: My neck, I cant walk, Im in shock *calls Today Tonight*

Ahhh, that would be justice

[Oztrack Tuning]

Ford F6 Typhoons are not worth racing anyway. :)....even at the strip.

[Freaky]

I just had a great vision in my head, me driving along, i notice that they are cops, so when they speed up my ass to bait me for a race, I think i see a child running near the side of the road and put the oversize R8 brakes to work ending up with a boot full of two stupid mofo cops :rofl::rofl: My neck, I cant walk, Im in shock *calls Today Tonight*

Ahhh, that would be justice

lol. was just going to post the same thing. and if you dont want to trash your car to prove a point, when they are behind you just slow them right down. drive like a granny. That will p*ss them off.

[XR6T GEN]

I saw on the same stretch of road (Great Western highway) an XR6 Turbo cop car, do a u-turn (illegally) at a set of lights boot it half way through the car drifted sideways for 30-40 metres and he sped up the road, no lights or sirens at all.

I was loving watching it (admittingly), but if I did that in front of a copper, my car would be on you tube crushed up.

[VX2VESS]

lol. was just going to post the same thing. and if you dont want to trash your car to prove a point, when they are behind you just slow them right down. drive like a granny. That will p*ss them off.

yeah imagine all the time waiting to get you car back or a new one. would have to be a write off, don't want a big repair car back.

prob only pick on hoonie looking cars, stock looking cars with big power may escape the baiting. poor P platers won't be able to resist this baiting...

[VX-300]

You could always left foot brake and accelerate at the same time, hence maintaining the same speed. Meanwhile as your brake lights activate the Phoon 2 feet behind you gets two cubic holes punched through its windscreen.

[KPWISHN]

prob only pick on hoonie looking cars, stock looking cars with big power may escape the baiting.

That's just the way it is. Hence why mine looks like a stocker now.

[XR6T GEN]

Those two cubic holes, do cops all have cube heads? Is it the flat top haircut they all must have?

Maybe the rule should be before anyone street races, you gotta check the other drivers hairdo, if he has a box head hes gotta be a cop?

[ssgirl2]

You could always left foot brake and accelerate at the same time, hence maintaining the same speed. Meanwhile as your brake lights activate the Phoon 2 feet behind you gets two cubic holes punched through its windscreen.

What about the people behind or near the police car when you play your game? People who do this sort of thing with 'innocent' people around shouldn't be on the road :vpo:

BUT...having said that, if there isn't anyone near the rear of the offending tailgater/baiter...by all means, go for your life :D

[VX2VESS]

reduce baiting to yourself


lot of mobile antennas
dark windows
wear blue shirts


PS nodding pig in the back window.

[VX-300]

Yeah the boxhead is standard, bolt-on mustache is optional. Talking like a robot is also a common factory installed feature.

[eldan89]

I saw on the same stretch of road (Great Western highway) an XR6 Turbo cop car, do a u-turn (illegally) at a set of lights boot it half way through the car drifted sideways for 30-40 metres and he sped up the road, no lights or sirens at all.

I was loving watching it (admittingly), but if I did that in front of a copper, my car would be on you tube crushed up.

Yeah I've seen cops do that many times. I was once at the lights next to a marked Police SS and on green he dumped the clutch and took of in a smoky blaze of glory.... Damn hoons.

[Luke_]

on green he dumped the clutch .... Damn hoons.

Didn't know they had manuals?

[Feenin_HSV]

I see this all the time....classic Melbourne Northern Suburbs:rofl:

If anyone knows the Fawkner Police station, i work around the corner and spend alot of time on the road as well, how many times i've seen them exit the gates onto Sydney Rd/Hume Hwy absolutely fanging it and going sideways with absolutely no emergency to get to....bloody great isn't it!!

I also regularly drive past in my Senator which is alittle low and loud and how many times the same coppers try to bait me or follow me is funny as....getting older and wiser to be baited into any street battles, my rule for many years now has been to clearly see the persons face, get an official nod that they wanna battle......then cruise off and smile to myself as they waste their precious petrol!! haha

[vt350phantom]

1) Dob the driver in as a "HOON"
2) Get the car crushed
3) Show up at the crushing with eskies and vid cam
4) Sell tickets and post vid on internet
5) Profit

Thats a classic!!!

On the topic, what if the cops bait you and you go for it and then have a big stack and wipe yourself out and another car for example? Puts the cops in a bad situation. If that were the US the cops would be sued in a flash. Its f**ken stupid and irresponsible of the cops to be doing this, havent they got any real work to do like catching paedophiles or drug bosses??

[XR6T GEN]

We as tax payers fork out the bill for Cops to get FPV Typhoons and flog them and bait us with them.

As a taxpayer, I say put them back in executive V8's like the old days, give em FE2 suspension and the silver painted standard wheels also known as chasers. Id even take out the air conditioning in those cars.

[theVman]

He - I saw that go past us in Sydney when we were last down there - didnt think too much of it but now I think back it rings a bell. We were in the SSS so there was no competition there - they did go past quite fast. If its the same looks like it hasnt been washed for weeks either!!

It wouldnt be too hard to track it back down and film it on camera. Thats something you might want to send in to the media. ...

[EXCESSV]

We as tax payers fork out the bill for Cops to get FPV Typhoons and flog them and bait us with them.

As a taxpayer, I say put them back in executive V8's like the old days, give em FE2 suspension and the silver painted standard wheels also known as chasers. Id even take out the air conditioning in those cars.:lmao: ease up mate...
its upsetting to see the whole baiting going on but the police guys and gals are just like u and i...normal ppl and taking out air con is not gonna help them

sure there are some in the police force that abuse there rights and all of that but doesnt make them all that way...
there are some nice cops around there that i know personally and there are a few on the forum here too that are good guys

[VX2VESS]

:lmao: ease up mate...
its upsetting to see the whole baiting going on but the police guys and gals are just like u and i...normal ppl and taking out air con is not gonna help them

sure there are some in the police force that abuse there rights and all of that but doesnt make them all that way...
there are some nice cops around there that i know personally and there are a few on the forum here too that are good guys

be good to hear any police comment on this baiting, is it legal or right to entice ppl like that?

[XR6T GEN]

Of course there are nice cops, most of them are nice, but nice cops dont need typhoons.

Ok, I take that back about the air cond. I dont want them sweating like pigs (excuse the pun) they can have the air conditioing but thats it, Executive V8, FE2 and chasers.

Im not a street racer, but rewind a few years when the p-plates were on my ride and noway you couldnt resist a run against a typhoon. Its like seeing a good pair of boobs for the first time, you cant just ignore them. Feel sorry for the young p-platers.

[UCNUNV]

This is what I would do, and its something we did down here about a Local TMU copper in an unmarked VZ SS who drove like an idiot, didnt try race people, but sped and I personally saw him run a women off the road in a roundabout so he could catch a red vl who took off from the lights with a loud exhaust...

Anyway, call the dob in a hoon hotline (if there is one up there, vic has one) and report the car with the rego was trying to race you and then sped off from the lights beside you and was clearly speeding as it drove away from you and you where doing the speed limit. Dont mention its a cop car, as it may be seen as you just causing trouble because you got done. Get a few others to report the same car, making sure you get the time/area correct as its likely the car has GPS and police will know if the car was in that area at that time. Never mention its a cop, just act like you think its young hoons trying to race everyone... The TMU guy down here has been replaced, and I heard he is not even in the force at all anymore.

[WIKED]

If somebody comes up behind me sitting that close [and they have the choice to overtake me] and still sit there for awhile I will just slow down until they piss off. Nobody will ever bait me into racing as my license is my job.

[VX2VESS]

Its like seeing a good pair of boobs for the first time, you cant just ignore them.

i still can't ignore them.

[Redline]

i still can't ignore them.

Have to agree there :)

[smokiebbear]

I have had this happen to me. Was sittin at the traffic lights in Burleigh Heads about 4 years ago Indy weekend and a green VY SS rolls up next to me and starts reving it up. I looked at the 2 guys one had a baseball cap and the other had a beenie on, they looked like 2 average guys looking for a bit of fun at the lights. When the lights turned green they took off like a crazed race driver. Having watched this I decided that next set of lights i'll play along, so the lights went green and I put the boot into my little v8 torrie and looked beside me they were nowhere to be seen. I was wondering where they went seing a new ss I thought they would be a good run but they weren't even in the lane anymore. So i backed off looking for them to notice they had pulled in behind me and activated the lights and sirens. :vpo:

After 1 hour on the side of the road getting to know the Queensland State Traffic Task Force with their gadgets and video cameras i recieved a fine for being "too low" by 2mm :vpo: I had a bootful of Camping equip and 3 other mates in the car as we had been away fishing. When my mates stepped out i was way over legal but that didn't matter as it was taken into account based on the weight. I showed them the boot jam packed with gear and said i'm overloaded and maybe that if i was to be fined then that shoud be why not "too low". Nope the too low fine was issued and i had to get a roadworthy. Thats all they found after 1 hour! I was fricken pissed off big time.:flipoff:

Also I'd like to add i don't condone what i did. But i think we have all done it a few times in our life.

[XR6T GEN]

The guy didnt get me because i didnt take the bait. He just sped off to the next car.

But lets be serious, imagine a young p-plater, just spent his hard earned cash on doing up with VL Turbo. He thinks it should run a 12 second pass. A Typhoon rolls up and starts tickling your feet. The P-Plater wants to retort this advance by the typhoon and elects to return the gesture..... LICENSE GONE!

[Hjs2]

I Was on my way to work, Was about 3 streets from my house and had a fully marked police xr6 turbo behind me. I was in a 50 zone and this clown was tailgaiting me like an idiot. So i stopped, put on the hazard lights, waited for the overweight copper to get out and start heading over, then i drove off and acted like didn't see him.


Can't really do ****all else, without them booking you. But felt good to watch the fat prick get slide out of his seat on a hot morning for no reason.

[XR6T GEN]

Maybe we should install a smoke machine on the back of our car. If a copper sits up our arse, check a right hand turn really slowly, as he comes around his drivers window should be opened so you let the smoke machine go and the smoke goes straight in his window...

A mate of mine did that to someone once but did a big burnout, left a cloud of smoke straight in the window of the car turning right behind you.

Thats what they deserve. (the baiting coppers)

[VX2VESS]

I Was on my way to work, Was about 3 streets from my house and had a fully marked police xr6 turbo behind me. I was in a 50 zone and this clown was tailgaiting me like an idiot. So i stopped, put on the hazard lights, waited for the overweight copper to get out and start heading over, then i drove off and acted like didn't see him.


Can't really do ****all else, without them booking you. But felt good to watch the fat prick get slide out of his seat on a hot morning for no reason.

your into extreme sports then.

[willz]

and the other day i saw a white marked WRX car but no lights on top :confused:

there is a white wrx in ellenbrook atm all done up in high vis

spotted it about a month back

weirdest thing ive spotted cops in was a black s15 about 2 years back. cruising up and down the freeway. had all the radar on the dash and everything. maybe there patrol car broke down that day :lmao:

did anyone else in perth ever spot that cop vy/vz exec with kiddies toys covering the rear parcel shelf. was a good laugh :confused:

[Steakman]

I would probably get done also.

I once had a blue exec next to me at the lights. He hung back as I took off normally, then comes up beside me half back reving till the front slowing down etc, giving me a good bait. Luckly it was early morning and I was tired and didn't feel like going. I didn't even look across so I had no idea it was a cop. My speed at crept up to just under 10km/h below the speed limit and he tried again. Anyways next thing I know he blasts his siren scaring the bejeepers out of me (till this stage I didn't know it was a cop). At the next lights he winds down the window and tells me "Slow down! If I wasn't feeling generous this morning I would book you for doing over 75 in a 70 zone." :confused:

I shook my head and said 'whatever' and closed the window on him. I don't think he liked that much but I didn't do anything wrong and he didn't laser or radar me as he must have saw I had a detector on my window. What really pissed me off on reflection was that this cop was baiting me from the word go and I didn't realise it. :vpo: Thank God I didn't go. :bow:

[EXCESSV]

there is a white wrx in ellenbrook atm all done up in high vis

spotted it about a month back

weirdest thing ive spotted cops in was a black s15 about 2 years back. cruising up and down the freeway. had all the radar on the dash and everything. maybe there patrol car broke down that day :lmao:

did anyone else in perth ever spot that cop vy/vz exec with kiddies toys covering the rear parcel shelf. was a good laugh :confused:used to be a tungsten coloured VY excec with hubcaps, a blanket on the back shelf and a old lady straw hat on the back shelf and would cruise through the notorious scarborough strip on a sunday...

[XR6T GEN]

Wetherill Park Police Sydney west use Alfa Romeo under cover Police cars.

Penrith have at least 2 undercover Typhoons

A mate reckons baulkham hills have a FPV GT undercover car

Merrlands have blue SS undercover car

They care getting tricky

[Hjs2]

Never had a problem with cops before, he was sitting excessively close for too long with no lights, no nothing. If it was a regular joe doing it to you, i'm sure obscenities would be exchanged

[sparkplug]

there is a white wrx in ellenbrook atm all done up in high vis

spotted it about a month back

weirdest thing ive spotted cops in was a black s15 about 2 years back. cruising up and down the freeway. had all the radar on the dash and everything. maybe there patrol car broke down that day :lmao:

did anyone else in perth ever spot that cop vy/vz exec with kiddies toys covering the rear parcel shelf. was a good laugh :confused:

There was a completely done up WRX around the south western sysney area a while back. He was going around baiting everyone into racing and he managed to get my mate about a year ago. I do not know if this one is still around. I also believe that there is a red Ralliart lancer which is part of the cop fleet in the same kinda area. Both of which are completely unmarked and no noticable cop arials.

Also about a year ago I had a white XR, not sure if XR6 T or XR8 because it never got around me lol, challenging me to a race near my place. There is a set of lights near mine and there are ALWAYS parked cars just past it yet people quite often try and race you off there to get infront of you prior to smashing in the back of the cars hehe. Anyway this white falcon rocked up next to me with 2 young blokes in normal attire started staring me down and reving their engine. So I figured bugger the pricks I'm not letting them in so I planted it and got the jump on them so they then cut in behind me and sat right on my arse constantly revving to get that little bit closer and closer while mouthing something to me through the windscreen.

Being an idiot I decided I would plant it again to try and get them off my arse. Well we both ended up flying down this main road and they only stopped once I slowed down because there were cars coming up ahead. This is when those lights show through the windows and I start packin s**t. I ended up getting away with it because they were just detectives with nothing better to do. They say to me "we are detectives and don't really care about traffic offenses" and they then go on to tell me how much of an idiot I am and that I should not go around starting races with people.... even though it was them encouraging me to race. These guys would have stayed with me for as long as I wanted to keep going a reckon and never gave other people's safety a second though.

I admit that I was stupid enough to get roped into this although the situation could have been a lot worse if a few conditions had of been changed and the cops should not have encouraged it in the first place and they then should have pulled me up before we went belting down the road. If I had of continued to hammer it down the road cutting in and out of other traffic instead of slowing down at the first sign of danger, would they have continued?

[XR6T GEN]

A mate of mine has a brother who is a cop.

He used to drive around in an unmarked XR8 egging people on at the lights, even talking to them, when they gave it a squirt, he would wait until they hit a decent enough speed then pull the plug, hit the lights and do the paperwork.

He would egg them on. Just shocking. He is out of the force now and doing security so he must have been caught out.

[nang3]

"Stock" Ford F6 Typhoons are not worth racing anyway. :)....even at the strip. "in my fairly modified Clubby"

there ya go, fixed it for ya

[XR6T GEN]

Hey,

Plenty of modded phoons out there as well that do 11s, they are also real subtle, no big cams or exhaust giving them away.

The Cops are using some real weapons on the road and will entice many to have a run

[glen III]

Wetherill Park Police Sydney west use Alfa Romeo under cover Police cars.

No, they don't. They are FULLY marked Community Liason vehicles (I think there's only one anyway, donated by the dealer).


Penrith have at least 2 undercover Typhoons

No, they don't.


A mate reckons baulkham hills have a FPV GT undercover car

Baulkham Hills? Apart from the fact such a station doesn't exist, Castle Hill (The Hills HWP) doesn't. Your mate wouldn't know if his arse was on fire.


Merrlands have blue SS undercover car

No, they don't. They have none. Where do you get this drivel from?


A mate of mine has a brother who is a cop.

He used to drive around in an unmarked XR8 egging people on at the lights, even talking to them, when they gave it a squirt, he would wait until they hit a decent enough speed then pull the plug, hit the lights and do the paperwork.

He would egg them on. Just shocking. He is out of the force now and doing security so he must have been caught out.

Hang on. Is he a cop, or is he out now? Are you making this up as you go? And if your brothers mate talked to them, why didn't they see his light blue shirt with badges? Please explain.

Cheers

Glen

P.S - I don't condone baiting tactics. Why any copper would risk punishment himself to give out a pill is beyond me. But most of these stories have a faint "au de bullshit" about them.

[Dane VN V8]

Wetherill Park Police Sydney west use Alfa Romeo under cover Police cars.

Penrith have at least 2 undercover Typhoons

A mate reckons baulkham hills have a FPV GT undercover car

Merrlands have blue SS undercover car

They care getting tricky

I got done by the blue VZ SS undercover around a month ago and I noticed there is a undercover white falcon with stripes on the side patrolling the m5. I was stuck in traffic on my way home and a Ford Territory came flying past in the emergency lane doing atleast 140 while me and others are doing 10ks stuck in traffic.

I then seen a black vu ss ute coming up the emergency lane also so I decided to plant it in front of the ss ute then in front of me the white falcon plants it after the ford terriotry with sirens blarring so me and the ute took the next exit which is near mine anyway. :smilesandbanana:

[Vulture]

Anyway, call the dob in a hoon hotline (if there is one up there, vic has one) and report the car with the rego was trying to race you and then sped off from the lights beside you and was clearly speeding as it drove away from you and you where doing the speed limit. Dont mention its a cop car, as it may be seen as you just causing trouble because you got done. Get a few others to report the same car, making sure you get the time/area correct as its likely the car has GPS and police will know if the car was in that area at that time. Never mention its a cop, just act like you think its young hoons trying to race everyone... The TMU guy down here has been replaced, and I heard he is not even in the force at all anymore.

This sounds like the best tactic to me!

[benny76]

whats deemed "street racing" e.g. Its a 70 zone and 2 mates at the lights just flaw it and stop at 70, is that street racing?

[sparkplug]

I noticed there is a undercover white falcon with stripes on the side patrolling the m5.:

Yeah I have noticed that falcon a few times on the way to and from work. But have also seen white xr8's, stripes or not, all over the place pulling people over. My rule of thumb is to just drive like a granny while anywhere near a white XR8. :lmao:

[SS_Brute]

Couple of years old now but a well known case in our area of this behaviour that was reported in the Townsville Bulletin. There was also a Red Monaro with personalised plates, dual exhaust, mags and lowered complete with parcel shelf lights and aerials galore that i used to see every few months cruising round the Kirwan Police Station which was 200 metres up the road from where i lived. Mighty suss looking but never confirmed if it was in fact a cop car.

Hoon squad sting bungle
By MALCOLM WEATHERUP
07sep04
A MAGISTRATE has thrown out a speeding charge against a man who panicked when chased by an unmarked turbocharged vehicle driven by out-of-uniform police whom he feared might harm him.

At no time during what defence barrister Greg Lynham described as a "bizarre" episode did the police, wearing Hawaiian shirts, identify themselves with lights, siren or other signals.

Raymond Hessler, 24, now from Brisbane but who was living in Annandale when the incident occurred in January, had made the rare defence of "emergency" and "an offence of compulsion" when he pleaded not guilty to a charge of speeding.

The Townsville Magistrates Court heard that two officers from the Brisbane-based Traffic Response Group (also known as the hoon squad because of its role in policing souped-up cars), Senior Constables Paul Hocken and Domenic Savoia, were on undercover duty checking on hoon activity on The Strand on January 18.

They were driving an unmarked turbo-charged Holden Astra.

In evidence from both the witness box and commentary on a police video in the Astra, the officers decided to follow Hessler in his imported Nissan Skyline Turbo coupe because Sen-Constable Hocken said "drivers of this type of vehicle tend to race each other and experience suggests that other offences may take place".

On that basis, the police followed the Skyline for 25 minutes, from The Strand out to Annandale, with the police video suggesting that in the main no laws were broken.

When Hessler became aware of the police car, when he was about three minutes from his home, the police car followed him with lights on high beam as he turned into Hazelwood Court, Annandale, the cul-de-sac where he lived.

The court heard video commentary from Sen-Constable Hocken telling the driver to block the Skyline and not to let him past as it turned at the bottom of the street.

Hessler said that when the Astra swerved towards the Skyline, "I panicked, I was just scared, I wanted to get out of there.

"How was I to know they were police?"

He said he thought it could have been a stolen car and the occupants would not care if they crashed into him.

He said his car was often the target for thieves and he did not stop at his house because he did not want the men in the car to know where he lived.

The court heard this fact was borne out three months later when the Skyline was stolen.

Mr Hessler gunned the car up on the footpath and took off at speeds up to 125km/h, with the Astra chasing it through the Annandale streets, still without police lights or siren.

When Hessler eventually pulled over to the side of Oonoonba Road, Idalia, thinking he had lost his pursuer, the Astra suddenly appeared, pulling in front of him.

He said that even then, identification was not immediately offered.

Sen-Constable Hocken said the lights and siren had not been used because he did not want to spark a dangerous police pursuit.

After an examination of the car, the shaken driver was issued with notices that his car was too low and his exhaust too loud. It was the subsequent speeding charge that was opposed in court.

Magistrate Stephanie Tonkin agreed that Hessler's actions had been reasonable under the circumstances and found him not guilty.

A statement issued to the Townsville Bulletin yesterday by the Queensland Police media unit in Brisbane said the judgment would be looked at closely before any comment was made.

[macca33]

entrapment is illegal in victoria only!

just thought id let you guys know!

The term 'entrapment' is famously American and is only ever sprouted in our country by persons who do not know the law. I'd be doing a search on Austlii and seeing what the leading cases say about proactive police operations, BEFORE I made a comment. To summarise; legitimate policing operations that involve the targeting of criminals in a proactive manner ARE legal and they are supported by the courts.



be good to hear any police comment on this baiting, is it legal or right to entice ppl like that?

To be honest mate, it is a little like fishing with dynamite. You may catch a few, but is it really sport?????

Besides which, in this day and age, these blokes would be hung out to dry if a serious complaint was levelled against them for this behaviour. It is not on.


RE SS Brute's post. I agree 100% with the judgement. To identify as a copper, you have to produce ID, or in a vehicle, use lights/siren (if fitted). There are numerous cases and decisions that are aligned with this one.

Cheers,

Macca

[Vulture]

To summarise; legitimate policing operations that involve the targeting of criminals in a proactive manner ARE legal and they are supported by the courts.

To be fair, this is a different situation though, isn't it? It is not a Police operation against a known criminal or someone who has engaged in a criminal act it is goading an otherwise law-abiding person into an illegal act. Stupid if they fall for it but it is still a bit suspect on moral grounds. It's a bit like a cop walking into a pub, insulting someone, spilling their beer, taking their seat and then arresting the guy for giving the cop a shove out of the way. I know that if I found a car tailgating me, following me into my street, refusing to go around when I slowed down and not ID as police then I would be using the defence above that I was fearful of my safety and so gunned it. Different at a set of lights I'll admit.

[Vulture]

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[macca33]

To be honest mate, it is a little like fishing with dynamite. You may catch a few, but is it really sport?????

Besides which, in this day and age, these blokes would be hung out to dry if a serious complaint was levelled against them for this behaviour. It is not on.

RE SS Brute's post. I agree 100% with the judgement. To identify as a copper, you have to produce ID, or in a vehicle, use lights/siren (if fitted). There are numerous cases and decisions that are aligned with this one.

Cheers,

Macca


To be fair, this is a different situation though, isn't it? It is not a Police operation against a known criminal or someone who has engaged in a criminal act it is goading an otherwise law-abiding person into an illegal act. Stupid if they fall for it but it is still a bit suspect on moral grounds. I know that if I found a car tailgating me, following me into my street, refusing to go around when I slowed down and not ID as police then I would be using the defence above that I was fearful of my safety and so gunned it. Different at a set of lights I'll admit.



Which part of my post didn't you understand Simon????

[jasper361]

"Stock" Ford F6 Typhoons are not worth racing anyway. :)....even at the strip. "in my fairly modified Clubby"

there ya go, fixed it for ya

:rofl: Beat me to it.

[CarlFST60L]

I love how all the F6 boys lurk in the background only jumping out to defend there pride and joys :stick:

[Bomi]

I just had a great vision in my head, me driving along, i notice that they are cops, so when they speed up my ass to bait me for a race, I think i see a child running near the side of the road and put the oversize R8 brakes to work ending up with a boot full of two stupid mofo cops :rofl::rofl: My neck, I cant walk, Im in shock *calls Today Tonight*

Ahhh, that would be justice

Carl I agree with your plan, except for the "Ouch my neck part"




What about the people behind or near the police car when you play your game? People who do this sort of thing with 'innocent' people around shouldn't be on the road :vpo:

BUT...having said that, if there isn't anyone near the rear of the offending tailgater/baiter...by all means, go for your life :D


Kirtsen, if you are the correct distance behind the car in front according to your reflex's and cars brakes then you dont have to worry. If you then ran up the arse of the cop car then it would be your fault.

Remember that all cars MUST travel at a safe distance that will allow you to stop in an emergency and not hit the car infront of you.


What the Police are doing is wrong but regardless of wether they are cops or not hooing and racing someone is still just that, hooning and racing. The only F$#KED up thing is the DOUBLE STANDARDS that the cops are displaying.



My 2 cents.

Troy :D

[CarlFST60L]

Carl I agree with your plan, except for the "Ouch my neck part"

that comment wasn't about some compo claim, more the look on there faces when they realise they just caused what they 'believe' they are trying to stop...

[ssgirl2]

Kirtsen, if you are the correct distance behind the car in front according to your reflex's and cars brakes then you dont have to worry. If you then ran up the arse of the cop car then it would be your fault.

Remember that all cars MUST travel at a safe distance that will allow you to stop in an emergency and not hit the car infront of you.

:yup: this is true Troy, but my comment was really just to highlight the fact that playing fakey brakey is really dangerous and has a knock on effect.

If you've ever been behind a car that slams their brakes on for no apparent reason (due to a dick in front of them playing games), you'd understand where I'm coming from :)

Is that worth 50cents? :D

[planetdavo]

What the Police are doing is wrong but regardless of wether they are cops or not hooing and racing someone is still just that, hooning and racing. The only F$#KED up thing is the DOUBLE STANDARDS that the cops are displaying.

Why am I NOT surprised this thread is still going???
Some peoples answers seem to think that if the officers wound down the windows at the traffic lights and asked the street racer type idiots to behave tonight, they'd go "I totally agree with you officer, I simply like the look of the car, but would NEVER race in it".
Same goes with drug dealers. Do some of you think they would stop it if the were politely asked to stop?
You should all get your heads out of the sand, open your eyes and ears, and understand that a problem in society often requires a less than polite solution, and if police need to bait potential street racers to catch them, then hey, do whatever you need to!
If you behave, what's the problem? If you don't like the car coming up really close behind you, hell, pull over for a total of what, THREE WHOLE SECONDS TO LET IT PAST!!!
A number of replies to this really do show where the problem is...

[Idiocyxplained]

:yup: this is true Troy, but my comment was really just to highlight the fact that playing fakey brakey is really dangerous and has a knock on effect.

If you've ever been behind a car that slams their brakes on for no apparent reason (due to a dick in front of them playing games), you'd understand where I'm coming from :)

Is that worth 50cents? :D

Lol 50C to ya.... Fakey brake gives me the shits even when im far enough behind to stop im always woried about that bloody truck or bus thats following me (i've had it happen)

But in all honesty if there is cops out there that bait, head check u @*&%$ need a life, all you need is an accident or a hit and run caused by your baiting actions and you'll be in that cell next to buba who u just put away.

Personally speaking though serves those right for taking the bait. Im not perfect, a few years ago i'd definately have done it but alas either @ 23 im getting older or maybe just maybe a hell of alot wiser!!!!!:)

Although the u tube crushing video of a phoon would be hell funny though. esp knowin its govt property.... Thats Gold...

[Bomi]

:yup: this is true Troy, but my comment was really just to highlight the fact that playing fakey brakey is really dangerous and has a knock on effect.

If you've ever been behind a car that slams their brakes on for no apparent reason (due to a dick in front of them playing games), you'd understand where I'm coming from :)

Is that worth 50cents? :D

Yeah I have mate, well behind the car infront and another time I was sus to two car trying to **** each other around so I had my left foot resting on the brake at the ready.

Either way, what the Police are doing is wrong.

Troy :)

[jasper361]

I love how all the F6 boys lurk in the background only jumping out to defend there pride and joys :stick:

Thats right, you never know where we are hiding so be careful !

[iamhappy46]

I have been a constant target by the local HWP for a few years with my worst period being losing 16 points in 5 weeks! However, it has been really bad since April as they have tried baiting me but that is not something that I ever do. No need to street race, although I occasionally give it a brief squirt to just under the legal road limit and then use cruise control to bring her up to speed.

<SNIP> Edit: Not keen on letting them in on my secret.

A Current Affair and my local NSW MP(Andrew Fraser, who punched Joe Tripodi in Parliament!!) have been contacted about this which should stop the HWP car from sitting two doors down from my house every afternoon when I get home from work...


Yeah the boxhead is standard, bolt-on mustache is optional. Talking like a robot is also a common factory installed feature.

Yeah, we have a HWP officer up here with the name 'Ken Wood' who has a hook nose and bolt on moustache, he also has a lovely habit of issuing defects! One of the local Skyline owners has a wonderful sticker of that kid pissing on a Ford logo. After one too many hassles, he removed the Ford logo and stuck a 'Kenwood' audio brand sticker underneath ;)

[XR6T GEN]

No, they don't. They are FULLY marked Community Liason vehicles (I think there's only one anyway, donated by the dealer).



No, they don't.



Baulkham Hills? Apart from the fact such a station doesn't exist, Castle Hill (The Hills HWP) doesn't. Your mate wouldn't know if his arse was on fire.



No, they don't. They have none. Where do you get this drivel from?



Hang on. Is he a cop, or is he out now? Are you making this up as you go? And if your brothers mate talked to them, why didn't they see his light blue shirt with badges? Please explain.

Cheers

Glen

P.S - I don't condone baiting tactics. Why any copper would risk punishment himself to give out a pill is beyond me. But most of these stories have a faint "au de bullshit" about them.

Yes they do my friend, ive seen them. So where do you get your info from, how would you know to question what ive said??? Are you the purchasing officer for the police. these are the vehicles ive seen on the road so I reckon your info is wrong.

Who is that banana saying the coppers are right in baiting people. That is road rage, that is street racing, that is very dangerous and against their own rules.

NExt time I see a Copper trying to bait someone, I will signal him to pull over and when he gets out of his car, ill get out and make a citizens arrest.

This baiting is an act of entrapment, how can anyone look at someone on the road and say hes definately a street racer so Im entitled to flush him out and bait him. How does a street racer look like? (mullet, skinney) How does a thief look like? Its an impossible question to answer, so these police are simply baiting innocent people into acting into a dangerous manner.

If someone in a pub throws a haymaker your way, do you just grin and turn the other cheek or throw one back at them? Thats the same principle the Police are using but instead their haymaker doesnt seem to count.

[italiano23q]

be careful people. NSW HP have purchased 10 of these. A mix of different colours as well.

just letting u no wetherill park police now have a few of these typhoons aswell 1 was right up my ass changing lanes aggresivly trying to get me to hit it i saw the dash lights from my rear view mirror and just kept crusing, i was pulled over for a so called rbt after been followed for bout 5kmbut i no it was because im a p plater driving a ss

[nang3]

I love how all the F6 boys lurk in the background only jumping out to defend there pride and joys :stick:

ROFL yeh maybe a bit of truth there, but we're just helping keep the blatant one eyed fans at bay haha..
as for myself i have zero brand loyalty - if its fast, looks good and is well priced il buy it... unless the badge reads "Kia Homos" and only comes in pink or something haha

[Maximum torque]

Thats true...

If a guy looks like a trouble make in a pub, you dont go and throw a haymaker at him and then see if he hits back.

Thats what the police do, you look like a street racer (however they look like) and they try and bait you. thats wrong.

[nang3]

I hope they dont start this shite in WA, or have they already?? i havent been baited yet..
But if they do I hope the weak c*nts dont try and bait my GF - shes got a WRX with big f*ckoff exhaust, boost gauge etc.. the perfect hoons car, except she doesnt rev it over about 3000rpm haha..

If the cops tried baiting her at 2am on the way home from work i'd be right down the mofo cop station with a lawyer the very next day, that kinda shit is not f*cking right!!
For a chick driving alone it would be seen to be very intimidating - a car with 2 strange 'men', dangerously revving up to your bumper aggressively and falling back, following you around everywhere in the middle of the night etc.. Hell i'd be starting to dial some heavy hitting mates if i had 2 cockheads following me around at that time of night !!

**disclaimer** of course i dont think all cops are 'weak c*nts' or 'cockheads', but if i didnt know they were cops following and tailgating me thats EXACTLY what i'd think they were

[SS Enforcer]

I saw the orange Phoon doing the job on a car on the M4 yesterday afternoon and thought that isn't fair. Over the years I have seen them pull a few stunts one was P plates on a XR series unmarked car patrolling the F3. The best however was the copper in northern NSW who would unplug one of his headlights, probably so cars coming towards him would think it was a clunker and speed. I actually heard about this practice but didn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. Complaints were made to HWP senior management and the answer was if we could get a photo of it being done the copper would get nailed.

If your getting harrassed by an unmarked one get some footage of it if you can and put it on youtube.

cheers

[sparkplug]

I saw the orange Phoon doing the job on a car on the M4 yesterday afternoon and thought that isn't fair. Over the years I have seen them pull a few stunts one was P plates on a XR series unmarked car patrolling the F3. The best however was the copper in northern NSW who would unplug one of his headlights, probably so cars coming towards him would think it was a clunker and speed. I actually heard about this practice but didn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. Complaints were made to HWP senior management and the answer was if we could get a photo of it being done the copper would get nailed.

If your getting harrassed by an unmarked one get some footage of it if you can and put it on youtube.

cheers

Yeah just don't let them see you f**king around with your camera/phone or they'll hit you with that one too.... :vpo:

[CarlFST60L]

I saw the orange Phoon doing the job on a car on the M4 yesterday afternoon and thought that isn't fair. Over the years I have seen them pull a few stunts one was P plates on a XR series unmarked car patrolling the F3. The best however was the copper in northern NSW who would unplug one of his headlights, probably so cars coming towards him would think it was a clunker and speed. I actually heard about this practice but didn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. Complaints were made to HWP senior management and the answer was if we could get a photo of it being done the copper would get nailed.

If your getting harrassed by an unmarked one get some footage of it if you can and put it on youtube.

cheers

I have a little digital video recorder here for a few hundred dollars, might be time to have it installed

[RED R8]

As much as I don't agree with what the police are doing the best way to avoid it is don't race ANYTHING on the streets...I don't its simply not worth it.I do give my car a seeing to when Im alone in the right areas but I cannot remmember the last traffic light race I had there's always either other cars around or Im not sure if the car next to me is a cop so I just resist the erge to av a go thats what the drag strip is for.

Its no different to an undercover cop shouting you round after round in a pub then busting you for DD when you leave ,yes the cop used a dirty tactic but don't fall for it don't be the dick who gets baited.

[ADSXR8]

As much as I don't agree with what the police are doing the best way to avoid it is don't race ANYTHING on the streets...I don't its simply not worth it.I do give my car a seeing to when Im alone in the right areas but I cannot remmember the last traffic light race I had there's always either other cars around or Im not sure if the car next to me is a cop so I just resist the erge to av a go thats what the drag strip is for.

Its no different to an undercover cop shouting you round after round in a pub then busting you for DD when you leave ,yes the cop used a dirty tactic but don't fall for it don't be the dick who gets baited.

Mate, I completely agree. You have made the most intelligent post here I have seem in years.

The problem with society today is people not taking responsibility for THIER own actions. Street racing is illegal, and anybody that participates in it and gets caught will face the penalties. And furthermore, get no sympathy from me.

[seedyrom]

Street racing is illegal, and anybody that participates in it and gets caught will face the penalties. And furthermore, get no sympathy from me.

Including the officer ?

That is the issue here.

Instead he's booking people but overlooking himself

[Redline]

Including the officer ?

That is the issue here.

Instead he's booking people but overlooking himself

If people weren't stupid enough to fall for it then they probably wouldn't do it.

It's obviously a tactic that works for them, wrong or not.

[nang3]

Including the officer ?

That is the issue here.

Instead he's booking people but overlooking himself

thats exactly it !!! IMO cops should have to behave on a public road in the exact same manner and obey the same laws that the general public has to - except of course in a lights and sirens situation.

Baiting other road users by dangerous driving and intimidating tactics(tailgating, falling back then speeding up) and breaking noise pollution laws by revving their engines etc is not lawful. If we did that, we'd be charged end of f*cking story.
Im not at all concerned for the people who have a run with the undercover cop and get busted - that's their own fault but it is understandable. I bet less than 1% of people here can honestly say they have never deliberately accelerated faster than another car away from the lights.

Im more concerned with the non-hoons that this behaviour could be targeted at, like the example I used with my GF. What about someone else who panics and tries to get away thinking they are about to be carjacked but then plows into a pedestrian or group of kids??
I just think it's irresponsible of the cops to be doing this when there are much more important crimes to resolve.

[M&Ms]

So if a copper pulls up next to me, and I give him a run, then get pulled over for street racing and have my car impounded for 3 months, why the hell won't his car be taken off him too? Why is it that his act was less dangerous than mine? COPS SHOULDN'T BE ABOVE THE LAW, they are just enforcers of the law!!
This is B.S. at its finest... And what makes it worse, is we don't have the power to stop it. I know, I know, the whole "don't race and you'll be fine... serves you right... yadda yadda yadda" from all the heavenly sent angels on here, but we are humans who make mistakes, we are males (mostly) who like a rush sometimes, and we shouldn't have to put up with crap from men of the law, who aim to push us that little bit over, so they can get the satisfaction they think they deserve.
I respect the duties of a police officer, and feel for them for a lot of the crap they have to put up with, and I treat them with the most respect when I associate with them, but I (like most people on here) think their tactics are irresponsible, dangerous, and should be outlawed, as this is already waaaaay beyond any joke.

[VX2VESS]

3,000 views in a day, has some interest going...

[RED R8]

Try and also see it from the cops point of veiw they are probably sick of all the deaths (and there has been heaps latley) from street races gone wrong if the baiting tactic works and street racers start to think twice before they run someone then I will back it.Part of me is a car lover i like power speed etc but I do not race on the streets no ifs or buts there is a track for all occasions not far from me, the other part of me spends alot of time with my wife and kids driving around and I am sick of they way some people drive/speed/race etc.

To me the ones that get caught by a bait car are the ones obviously willing to race on our streets being caught might just save someones life.

[nang3]

Try and also see it from the cops point of veiw they are probably sick of all the deaths (and there has been heaps latley) from street races gone wrong if the baiting tactic works and street racers start to think twice before they run someone then I will back it.Part of me is a car lover i like power speed etc but I do not race on the streets no ifs or buts there is a track for all occasions not far from me, the other part of me spends alot of time with my wife and kids driving around and I am sick of they way some people drive/speed/race etc.

To me the ones that get caught by a bait car are the ones obviously willing to race on our streets being caught might just save someones life.

actually i agree with you there - a good side to this is that word will get around and a lot more hoons will think twice before running the car next to them..

But I definately dont agree with the tailgating and revving back and forth though while driving along..

[icedcoffee11]

i agree they shudnt use scare tactics but being from SA.. dont think they can afford done up unmarked cars lmao!!!!! i aint seen any unless sum1 knows of any ones in SA? it is silly scaring people into believing they might be chased i mean being from Adelaide u scare the wrong person there gonna try KILL YOU!!!! has happened to me once (cops saved probly my life on that occasion)

[benny76]

Is it illegal to gun it and pull back at the speed limit, essentially racing another car but not actually breaking the limit?

[smokiebbear]

Is it illegal to gun it and pull back at the speed limit, essentially racing another car but not actually breaking the limit?

I believe you'll get a ticket for noise pollution on that one at the very least :D

Racing is racing .... and it'd still be illegal.

[emg]

Motor Racing gives street racing a bad name.

[whitels1ss]

I wonder what would happen if some guy took these cop's bait and took off trying to race them and there was an accident, someone was injured or killed and there was an independant witness who happened to be a magistrate?
That would be an interesting report.

[CS1234]

reading ALL of these threads makes me laugh at how stupid some people can be.It happends all the time in melbourne from marked to unmarked cars.
All I do is stick to the limit and smile at the officers when they drive past as they know they have wasted their time.
most of the cop cars would have a chip,tune and suspension done to them,
most of the cars on this forum have double the power then the cops so why bother.

Well my 2c

[Ghosn]

Some people are failing to see the point here. Especially the folks who argue with "don't race and you'll be ok". That's not the point, the point is the officers have a duty of care and that care is to do everything in their power to keep the streets as safe as the possible which I would think means not to bait other drivers into the very thing they are trying to stop in the first place? Them baiting other drivers would make them just as guilty as they other car involved if it did become out of control and someones life ended up being lost. There are other safer ways the cops can employ to cut down on street racing.

[cholo]

Why cant we just video tape them with camera phones? That would teach them a lesson as they could endanger other drivers on the road as they are inducing you to commit a driving offence. If it turned bad and you had an accident...

Its just plain stupid and dangerous and they shouldnt be cops.

[VYSHSV8]

yep same thing over here on the other side of the country

there is a blue XR6turbo running around tempting ppl to run them off the lights as my brother found out.
he has a standard BA XR6 and didnt even waste his time as he knew he would lose to a a BA XR6Turbo....he saw the police computer and there badges at the next lights when they wound there window down a bit as the tints were limo grade at least

also a few years back now when the VX was relatively newish...there was a black one with a GENIII and the most insane sounding exhaust and he used to rev it up at the lights and try and get ppl to run him.....then pull ya over and throw the book at ya

and the other day i say a white marked WRX car but no lights on top :confused:

There is also a white xr6 turbo with mandurah plates on it travels all the coast all the way to Carnarvon .....

[Oztrack Tuning]

The unmarked Typhoons are a special squad that are not well regarded by the regular highway patrol probably for the same reason people have been disgusted here.

These guys are out to catch people for political reasons driven most likely by high up bosses getting influenced by the Police Minister. Normal Highway Patrol are about enforcing rules often inspired by safety benefits that result for the public. ie. catching genuinely dangerous behaviours as a high priority. ie. Black spot speeding, 60kph zones , waking people up in residential areas with burnouts etc. Sure not all cases have that focus - but the theme is there.

This Typhoon squad probably does need some press coverage.

[badnews]

Motor Racing gives street racing a bad name.

:rofl:

lol seriously though. if i was driving along at 80km/s and some typhoon was up my ass gassing it, while i wouldnt give it WOT, i might just give it enough to get him off my ass and pull into the left lane so he can pass. which in turn might just give me enough to lose my car for 3 months with a nice fine attached...

[SS-355]

I believe you'll get a ticket for noise pollution on that one at the very least :D

Racing is racing .... and it'd still be illegal.

So what, now we need to also time how quick we get to the speed limit? What a f@#$en joke!:flipoff:

[Luke_]

:rofl:

lol seriously though. if i was driving along at 80km/s and some typhoon was up my ass gassing it, while i wouldnt give it WOT, i might just give it enough to get him off my ass and pull into the left lane so he can pass. which in turn might just give me enough to lose my car for 3 months with a nice fine attached...

I can imagine that with your car, cops would love it :evil:

[XR6T GEN]

Looks like a there are two points of view

The marxist view that if you dont street race then you will have nothing to worry about :jester:

And the Pluralist view, if someone throws a haymaker at you (a Typhoon is up your ass, tailgating you) then they (the cops) should be the one credited with throwing the first punch and instigating the fight. :flipoff:

I think with some 3800 views of this thread that us enthusiasts will not fall for the Typhoon squads tactics. however I think the phoons need to get some real media coverage so innocent unsuspecting public are not unfairly baited into dangerous activity or someones girlfriend, sister isnt scared out of their skin by these typhoons bait cars or other bait cars.

[LJCHSV]

Well why doesnt someone up in NSW take the effort to ring 2UE or another talkback radio station..in a concerned voice telling the host of what they saw......Some Orange ford driving erratically..which looking closer..turned out to be police.....gotta remember the media LOVES a beat up!

[nang3]

Is it illegal to gun it and pull back at the speed limit, essentially racing another car but not actually breaking the limit?

here in WA you'd be done for "Testing the Vehicles acceleration or Racing the vehicles engine" or whatever it says under the hoon laws and have your car taken, and maybe excessive noise as well..

Although i doubt there'd be any cops enough of a f*ckhead out there to actually impound your car for accelerating to the speed limit - assuming no swerving/weaving or traction loss occurred.


:rofl:

lol seriously though. if i was driving along at 80km/s and some typhoon was up my ass gassing it, while i wouldnt give it WOT, i might just give it enough to get him off my ass and pull into the left lane so he can pass. which in turn might just give me enough to lose my car for 3 months with a nice fine attached...

haha with a TT clubby you'd prolly lose them in the tyre smoke !!

[badnews]

haha with a TT clubby you'd prolly lose them in the tyre smoke !!

lol, ide want to hope so, otherwise i would probably lose the clubby...

[Arclight]

I see alot of smart post here and a few that are just well..

a few things i want to say.

Re jumping on the brakes for the "Dog" so the cop car hits you, please do, the court will have a good laugh when they watch the ICV at court.

Re speeding and so called "baiting" (would like to see the proofs for this offence?..anyone..). Some of you say that cops should not speed etc to get offenders and that its double standards as they are breaking the law to enforce it, technically arresting someone and placing cuffs on them is assault, so what should the cops do, let everyone go?

the simple thing is if you dont race etc on the street, why would you bother worrying about it, and besides if your loved ones were killed by hoons, you would be the first to whinge to the media about Policenot doing enough to target it.

The tactics that Police use to target street racing etc, are approved and backed up by courts and legislation, so get over it.

Oh and police are exempt from the road rules during the execution of their duties, so an "Illegal Uturn" by Police does not exist. In fact they dont even need to carry their licence while driving.

[iamhappy46]

I believe you'll get a ticket for noise pollution on that one at the very least :D

Racing is racing .... and it'd still be illegal.

So would you get done for noise pollution if you have a stock standard exhaust and intake system that is ADR & EPA compliant?

[Arclight]

Technically yes. As when the car left the factory the exhaust was ADR and EPA approved. Cats etc in exhaust degrade over time and that reduces there ability to filter the bad stuff and also they get louder.

[iamhappy46]

Cats normally become blocked up and restrict flow when being used, so would reduce exhaust flow. Also, the air filter would become blocked with use and restrict noise output as well.

That said, if the car still made less than say 85dB under WOT, how is that noise pollution?

[XR6T GEN]

I see alot of smart post here and a few that are just well..

a few things i want to say.

Re jumping on the brakes for the "Dog" so the cop car hits you, please do, the court will have a good laugh when they watch the ICV at court.

Re speeding and so called "baiting" (would like to see the proofs for this offence?..anyone..). Some of you say that cops should not speed etc to get offenders and that its double standards as they are breaking the law to enforce it, technically arresting someone and placing cuffs on them is assault, so what should the cops do, let everyone go?

the simple thing is if you dont race etc on the street, why would you bother worrying about it, and besides if your loved ones were killed by hoons, you would be the first to whinge to the media about Policenot doing enough to target it.

The tactics that Police use to target street racing etc, are approved and backed up by courts and legislation, so get over it.

Oh and police are exempt from the road rules during the execution of their duties, so an "Illegal Uturn" by Police does not exist. In fact they dont even need to carry their licence while driving.

Are you serious?

There are probably 10-30 separate accounts of baiting on this thread so it definately happens, baiting is real. Are you saying everyone here is crazy. Its happened to most of us here not just on one road but all over the place

Technically placing cuff is assualt, come on, Police are within their rights to cuff and restrain someone if they have "offended". who are you kidding.

Police are not entitled to break road rules with no reasoning. Baiting someone doesnt give them the license to break rules. END OF STORY

Where is the legal precedent for baiting street racers? So they are aloud to tailgate you, drive erratically and dangerously, speed, to get a hoon to join in and book him?

Someones loved ones killed by hoons has nothing to do with this topic. Nobody here condones the street racing, its the tactics police are using to bait usually innocent people. If you go looking for a fight, you will usually find one but that doesnt mean the other party was also looking for a fight.

Police presence is enough to deter street racing, but not baiting them undercover, the undercover car should have Police insignia on it and I can guarantee their would be no street racing. If all undercover cars had Police signs on them this would increase Police presence in the community and further deter street racing more than baiting them undercover.

[Covers]

Are you serious?

There are probably 10-30 separate accounts of baiting on this thread so it definately happens, baiting is real. Are you saying everyone here is crazy. Its happened to most of us here not just on one road but all over the place

Technically placing cuff is assualt, come on, Police are within their rights to cuff and restrain someone if they have "offended". who are you kidding.

Police are not entitled to break road rules with no reasoning. Baiting someone doesnt give them the license to break rules. END OF STORY

Where is the legal precedent for baiting street racers? So they are aloud to tailgate you, drive erratically and dangerously, speed, to get a hoon to join in and book him?

Someones loved ones killed by hoons has nothing to do with this topic. Nobody here condones the street racing, its the tactics police are using to bait usually innocent people. If you go looking for a fight, you will usually find one but that doesnt mean the other party was also looking for a fight.

Police presence is enough to deter street racing, but not baiting them undercover, the undercover car should have Police insignia on it and I can guarantee their would be no street racing. If all undercover cars had Police signs on them this would increase Police presence in the community and further deter street racing more than baiting them undercover.


I am sure that under cover police buy drugs from a dealer (illegal) and then arrest him but no one is complaining about that. Police baiting people into a street race can not be compared to fighting someone because if you dont fall for the baiting and drive normally then you have nothing to worry about.
If someone throws a haymaker at you and you dont do anything then you could get injured.

I am with the crew of dont race and you have nothing to worry about. If someone is tailgatting you get into the left lane and do the speed limit or under and they will go round you if they are in a hurry.

I am sure that the times when the undercover's are baiting people also arent around school times or in suburban areas more likely on main streets. Now I am not condoning it but for a police driver who has had formal driver training I am thinking that it is less dangerous than a "normal driver" doing the same driving.

If people fall for the tactic with an undercover then they are going to do it everytime someone rocks up next to them so I say book 'em and teach them a lesson.

[Arclight]

Are you serious?

There are probably 10-30 separate accounts of baiting on this thread so it definately happens, baiting is real. Are you saying everyone here is crazy. Its happened to most of us here not just on one road but all over the place

Technically placing cuff is assualt, come on, Police are within their rights to cuff and restrain someone if they have "offended". who are you kidding.

Police are not entitled to break road rules with no reasoning. Baiting someone doesnt give them the license to break rules. END OF STORY

Where is the legal precedent for baiting street racers? So they are aloud to tailgate you, drive erratically and dangerously, speed, to get a hoon to join in and book him?

Someones loved ones killed by hoons has nothing to do with this topic. Nobody here condones the street racing, its the tactics police are using to bait usually innocent people. If you go looking for a fight, you will usually find one but that doesnt mean the other party was also looking for a fight.

Police presence is enough to deter street racing, but not baiting them undercover, the undercover car should have Police insignia on it and I can guarantee their would be no street racing. If all undercover cars had Police signs on them this would increase Police presence in the community and further deter street racing more than baiting them undercover.


you did not read my whole post, or if you did you missed several parts, namely the exemption that Police have on duty and also I asked for the legal definition of baiting as described in the ARR or other such legislation.

as for the loved ones killed by street racing, what kicked off all this media frenzy over street racing recently?

Oh and as for "Technically placing cuff is assualt, come on, Police are within their rights to cuff and restrain someone if they have "offended". who are you kidding." So its different when a traffic offence has been detected and they "break" the road rules to apprehend the driver?

and i am kidding no one as I do this for a living, So unless you have something you can add that is not just a missrepresentation of facts to suit your own anti-police agenda, I suggest a trip to the chemist for a dose of reality.

[BLACK 346]

Whilst we are discussing hoons, their is another of those hoon
stories on ACA or Today Tonight (not sure which one) this evening.
Just saw a heap of really nice cars doing burnouts in the advert
last night.

[XR6T GEN]

So if Craig Lownes does some erratic street driving, is he exempt because his driver skills are more than yours or mine? Thats ridiculous, rules are there for everyone including police and/or technically advanced drivers

The fundamental issue here is their tactics, they provoke the situation. Like I said If you go looking for a fight you will find one, but that doesnt mean the other person was also looking for a fight, he just dislikes haymakers thrown at him.. Its the same thing here. I bet most of us could be provoked to act out of character.

Its a grey area, some people will probably speed up or do something to get away from someone who is tailgating them or driving erratically near them. Some people are looking for a race. The police will pounce on both scenarios. I think personally its safe to remove yourself from the area of the erratic crazy driver even if you have to speed temporarily.

So why dont Police mark all of their cars and play the card of increased presence rather than baiting and potentially causing harm. I know that increased presence will definately make an impact. Like double demerit weekends when there are police on every corner.

[worldofhurt]

i suspect marked police cars would not catch as many people doing the wrong thing and thats the police argument for unmarked cars.No revenue if no one gets caught.Just another case of cops and government being re active instead of pro active

[kriminal]

tap your brakes and have him run up the back of you. (i would never do it cos love my car to much)
but even if you did that i guess they would find a reason to get you. dang driving or anything. lol.

[XR6T GEN]

But if every car was a marked police car, then yes they would catch less people but thats because they werent doing anything wrong which is a good thing, hence the police presence is helping. But by having the unmarked cars they are just looking at grabbing a few bucks in revenue from fining people..

If their was an overbearing presence, you just wouldnt speed ever because you keep seeing the police cars everywhere (and because its dangerous).

So the effect would be the same as the baiting cars except nobody is doing stupid stuff on our roads.


i still can't ignore them.

Nobody can ignore them..

[iamhappy46]

I heard of one guy with a electronic communications degree who was developing a device that could detect the 'anti-theft' device(based on the Quiktrack technology) that at one stage was fitted to all NSW Police cars and Fire/Ambulance vehicles. Better than radar detectors and no way you can be detected for having one as every car with a radio can detect the white noise the system is based on.

Would have been an interesting setup if he ever got it working.

[XR6T GEN]

I think the idea is not to avoid being caught but not be baited and provoked by police. I would like the police to catch the street racers.

If someone street races or speeds and if the police catch them then bad luck mate but if Police bait you and then pounce on you, I think thats a low blow.

[Arclight]

At the end of the day, people don’t like getting caught doing something they should not be doing. Most people just ignore the, to use your terms 'baiting' and move over, ignore etc some do, which raises the point that if it was not an unmarked police vehicle then they would have raced and not got caught, but the fact is these drivers do race and on that occasion, got caught...so sad to bad.

To see others who defend the actions of people who would recklessly endanger the safety of others to prove that their car is faster on public roads, and in the same breath, prefix it with a "But I don’t do that sort of thing" makes me scratch my head and wonder, and then to turn and question the methods that are used to catch a person who, if all things being equal, would have in fact raced that car and not gotten caught and possibly hit and killed/injured someone, leaves me with the thought that hypocrisy is alive and well and I will have a job for as long as I want.

Drive safe people.


I heard of one guy with a electronic communications degree who was developing a device that could detect the 'anti-theft' device(based on the Quiktrack technology) that at one stage was fitted to all NSW Police cars and Fire/Ambulance vehicles. Better than radar detectors and no way you can be detected for having one as every car with a radio can detect the white noise the system is based on.

Would have been an interesting setup if he ever got it working.

:rofl:

who told you that rubbish

[iamhappy46]

Apparently it was setup in Newcastle and the developer along with some university friends trialling it outside Charlestown Police Station. Waited for a BA XR8 HWP car to leave the premises, then the guy pressed a button... police car rolled to a stop. After 30 seconds, he presses the same button and the confused police officers were able to start the car again. One guy got it all on his camera phone which is where I heard about it.

Allegedly, these anti theft systems were installed to stop the HWP cars from being taken for joyrides or something.

Probably an urban myth but the theory behind it is sound, if they did have this device fitted.

[cholo]

So if Craig Lownes does some erratic street driving, is he exempt because his driver skills are more than yours or mine? Thats ridiculous, rules are there for everyone including police and/or technically advanced drivers

The fundamental issue here is their tactics, they provoke the situation. Like I said If you go looking for a fight you will find one, but that doesnt mean the other person was also looking for a fight, he just dislikes haymakers thrown at him.. Its the same thing here. I bet most of us could be provoked to act out of character.

Its a grey area, some people will probably speed up or do something to get away from someone who is tailgating them or driving erratically near them. Some people are looking for a race. The police will pounce on both scenarios. I think personally its safe to remove yourself from the area of the erratic crazy driver even if you have to speed temporarily.

So why dont Police mark all of their cars and play the card of increased presence rather than baiting and potentially causing harm. I know that increased presence will definately make an impact. Like double demerit weekends when there are police on every corner.

I totally agree with you XR6T. What, do the police have psychic abilities to see the future of what would happen if they entice people to race? They cant even control a situation when they're on a chase so is there any difference to enticing someone to race. Hell no.

So get off your high horses Arclight cos baiting is just plain stupid and dangerous and doesnt do any effect at all except to the person caught. Sorry but THATS the reality.

[RED R8]

Cops baiting Pedophiles via the net has proven it catches alot of pedophiles
Cops baiting street racers will have the same affect it will only catch the poeple stupid enough to street race,I don't have to worry about how they do it because i wont race them.

As long as the police bait in a manner that is not reckless or dangerous themselves and I would dare say they would bait to a point as to not endanger other people then I say do it if you get caught your a fool.

[_MetalliX_]

Cops baiting Pedophiles via the net has proven it catches alot of pedophiles
Cops baiting street racers will have the same affect it will only catch the poeple stupid enough to street race,I don't have to worry about how they do it because i wont race them.
Unfortunately whereas baiting pedophiles prevents the crime, baiting street racing entices it to occur.

As mentioned by the topic starter, who knows what could happen as a result of enticing a driver to race.

While even if the police could do it in a non-reckless way, would you trust the people stupid enough to fall for the police's baiting tactics to keep their car on the road while they played into the officer's hands? I know I sure as hell wouldn't, so I'd prefer if they didn't do it at all.

[VX-300]

I'd be interested to know if any of these type of cases go to court do the Phoon Police ever admit to the baiting aspect ??

I know one young chap many years ago in WA who was baited by an XR8, his defense council got an acknowlegement by the Police in court that he was "baited". His case got thrown out because of that. Laws may have changed since then but my original question remains.

[ADSXR8]

Baiting occurs in some obvious, and not so obvious ways.

Grubs can be baited over the internet, dopes can be baited by unmarked Police cars, and the general population can be baited by a position they hold in the company (such as a payments clerk). Another example could be

Part of your employment, you pay company accounts, see an opportunity to pocket cash (pay yourself, like the recent NSW Cityrail ICAC investigation) all because you have the opportunity.

At the end of the day YOU know street racing is illegal, YOU know approaching a minor for sex in illegal, YOU know stealing money is illegal. We al should act our age, and not the age of our cars, and the roads will be a safer place.

Irrespective of the tatics used by these Officers, its only a street race when your brain fades and YOU race.

[glen III]

Yes they do my friend, ive seen them. So where do you get your info from, how would you know to question what ive said??? Are you the purchasing officer for the police. these are the vehicles ive seen on the road so I reckon your info is wrong.

I reckon only a belter would take his brother's mates' (who used to be a cop but got kicked out, or is he still in?) word for it, without doing any independent research. My left nut knows more about the subject than you ever will. I'll say it again, because you appear a bit slow.

Penrith? NO!

Wetherill Park(fairfield)? NO! There's ONE marked Alfa for Community Liason duties.

Baulkham Hills? NO!

Merrylands? No! No unmarkeds.

FACT- No local area command has a Typhoon. There are the aforementioned 10 unmarked Typhoons attached to Traffic Services, a STATEWIDE unit, performing the Operation, which I won't name. It was set up in line with the commissioners intent to get stuck into hoons. Think of it what you will, if you don't act like a belter (which would be hard for you) you'll not be troubled at all.

I don't buy your analogy. You can nearly always walk away from a fight before it starts, even if it dents your pride (read: young male/ small man syndrome). Better yet, do your "fighting" in a legal arena, ie the ring, or the drag strip. Safer, fairer, LEGAL.

Thanks

Glen

[Oztrack Tuning]

The simple truth is that a very high % of drivers have a bit of a harmless race from the traffic lights within a 'reasonable range of the limits'. But thats not STREET RACING which i consider to be weaving in and out of traffic in excess of 45kph over the limit - which is penalized by loss of licence anyway. It seems the most common car to do this are big Four Wheel Drives and V6 Commodores.

All of us I am sure have been angry on the road by someone elses high risk behaviour and that is well outside of the bounds of having a 'bit of a go'.

If you dont believe its the majority of drivers that have a 'little bit of go' then go watch somewhere at a set of traffic lights. I am certain that even Morris Iemma & John Howard have a little bit of a go at times at traffic lights, most likely when they get a new car or the chauffer is running late. The only people that don't are probably Prius drivers and dedicated Greenies. This political correctness streaming into things is scary as where does it stop with everything. Soon it will be frowned upon to mow your lawn.

I think the 'Typhoon squad are being un-Australian in the Eureka Stockade sense of the word. Our judges cant even give decent punishments to pedophiles and these guys are trying to trick people into being convicted of being dangerous when they are inciting the danger.

[smokiebbear]

FACT- No local area command has a Typhoon. There are the aforementioned 10 unmarked Typhoons attached to Traffic Services, a STATEWIDE unit, performing the Operation, which I won't name. It was set up in line with the commissioners intent to get stuck into hoons. Think of it what you will, if you don't act like a belter (which would be hard for you) you'll not be troubled at all.


Now that the cat is out of the bag. I say we should all boycott racing any Typhoons on the street.

Anything else is fair game :rofl:

P.s i wrote this for a little fun i am not being serious:eyes:

[Oztrack Tuning]

The old people that were killed at St Marys may also have been saved if society (the courts mostly) were stricter on drugs - the main guy has been reported to have had ice, alcohol and marihuana in his system.

The only way to prevent this is with more police pulling people over FULL STOP. No Speed Camera can do that or Typhoons tricking hotted up looking cars and P Platers. Many of the dangerous drivers are druggos driving shitboxes. That race them.

IF the Typhoon squad had tried to coerce him into racing someone then they would have been involved in killing someone as well. This is case closed.

[Luke_]

Now that the cat is out of the bag. I say we should all boycott racing any Typhoons on the street.

Anything else is fair game :rofl:

P.s i wrote this for a little fun i am not being serious:eyes:



Funny you say that, every BA or BF I see I take extra care. They are getting pretty good these days in hiding as there are millions of BA XR's on the road.

[SS Enforcer]

I saw a couple of them today at the M4 Eastern Creek Maccas.
There was a orange one and a green one I was about to snap a pic but they came out into the car park so i thought better of it. I did however get their regos and as I am on the M4 everyday for work hopefully I will see more of them and try and work out how many they have actually.
I thing I did notice there is 2 to a car and they all seem to have some extra stripes/ buttons on their uniforms and were a bit older then regular HP coppers.

Cheers

[VX-300]

Maccas used to (might still ???) give free "food" to cops. So they probably were there for the trough and not hunting P platers.

[Spectrum]

Motor Racing gives street racing a bad name.

Post of the thread :smilesandbanana: That 391RWKW blown Lite Ace must be abitch to corner..:)

[XR6T GEN]

I reckon only a belter would take his brother's mates' (who used to be a cop but got kicked out, or is he still in?) word for it, without doing any independent research. My left nut knows more about the subject than you ever will. I'll say it again, because you appear a bit slow.

Penrith? NO!

Wetherill Park(fairfield)? NO! There's ONE marked Alfa for Community Liason duties.

Baulkham Hills? NO!

Merrylands? No! No unmarkeds.

FACT- No local area command has a Typhoon. There are the aforementioned 10 unmarked Typhoons attached to Traffic Services, a STATEWIDE unit, performing the Operation, which I won't name. It was set up in line with the commissioners intent to get stuck into hoons. Think of it what you will, if you don't act like a belter (which would be hard for you) you'll not be troubled at all.

I don't buy your analogy. You can nearly always walk away from a fight before it starts, even if it dents your pride (read: young male/ small man syndrome). Better yet, do your "fighting" in a legal arena, ie the ring, or the drag strip. Safer, fairer, LEGAL.

Thanks

Glen

No disrespect mate but I saw the orange Typhoon just yesterday with two coppers in it. You musnt have a left nut as the unmarked cars ive seen are real. Your probably a cop and dont want to unmask the identity of these unmarked cars.

When I saw the Typhoon yesterday on the m4, I just laughed..


Maccas used to (might still ???) give free "food" to cops. So they probably were there for the trough and not hunting P platers.


hahaha, its called a managers meal. The orange typhoon couldnt resist a McChicken between runs up and down the m4. hahaha

I saw this car yesterday it pulls out from the side of the freeway, cruises for about 300 metres, no cars look suss so he swerves from the middle lane to the left part of the freeway and stops, waiting for the next batch of cars.

To rub salt into the wounds. I bet that tint on the Orange typhoon is illegal. Once the car is retired from police duties and sold to someone on Fordmods, the cops will pull over this car and defect it for dark tints.

[Oztrack Tuning]

I think Glen III is right - they are part of the special squad he mentioned.

[XR6T GEN]

I think Glen III is right - they are part of the special squad he mentioned.

squad for what??

[Oztrack Tuning]

Its the same squad that rides bikes to catch off road motocross bikers. They go from area to area.

[seedyrom]

My mum has one of these in her Corolla.

http://www.aisat.com.au/images/speedalert.jpg

A VDO Speed Alert. Its is an EXTREMELY basic unit, that does nothing than beep when you go over the speed limit.

Sales Blurb:
VDO speed alert
Drivers frequently on the road know just how tricky speed limits can be. Especially when you're in a hurry, you don't want to drive much slower than the official speed limit - but you don't want to risk a fine either. VDO speed alert helps you avoid exceeding the speed limit. Speedometer watching is no longer necessary - and you can concentrate on the traffic. VDO speed alert will inform you by means of acoustic and optical signals whenever you exceed the selected warning-speed limit. Accordingly, you can drive under all road-speed limits in a more relaxed and safe manner.
*Easy-to-set warning-speed limit within a 20 - 200 km/h range
*Illuminated, clearly visible display
*Optical warning function
*Free choice of two types of acoustical warning signals
*Warning function can be switched off anytime
*Easy calibration


I challenge anyone to continue speeding with one of them in the car!!!

Here's a little video I shot this morning as I have borrowed her car. (The speedo and calibration of the unit are a little bit out - theres a procedure to follow to set it up, but Mum has, of course, lost the instructions).


Click here for an awesome exciting video!!! (http://tomporritt.zoomshare.com/files/MOV00497.3GP) 1.2 MB :( (3GP format, if you can't view it, update your Quicktime or download the k-lite codec pack http://www.codecs.com/K_Lite_Codec_Pack_download.htm)

[TED077]

That is the process that would put a smile on everyones dial.....hey book me in for the first hoon cop car to get crushed. :xmas::xmas:

[glen III]

No disrespect mate but I saw the orange Typhoon just yesterday with two coppers in it. You musnt have a left nut as the unmarked cars ive seen are real. Your probably a cop and dont want to unmask the identity of these unmarked cars.

Mate, if you reread my post, ie the bit you quoted, all the answers are in there. I never said they weren't real, I said they are not from LACs but Traffic Services and are floating about ALL areas on a street racing operation. What's in Penrith today could be in Double bay tomorrow, and Liverpool the day after. You and I will never know where/when.

Unmask the identity? Doesn't actually worry me. because by the time you've seen them sure as shit they've seen you.

And, I just did a stocktake, and I still have a left nut.

Cheers

Glen

[XR6T GEN]

Well if the typhoon brigade can go all over sydney (for their special operation) the block heads really seem to love the penrith area and the M4. Maybe its the free maccas they get? Ill tell ya they dont order a son of mac, they get a bag full of greasy maccas and then fart all over those nice FPV seats.

Well yesterday I wasnt in the XR turbo but in a Hyundai Getz, I dont think they noticed me. I didnt receive the same treatment as the other day when i was cruising in my XR, hey im the same bloke.

[Covers]

Well if the typhoon brigade can go all over sydney (for their special operation) the block heads really seem to love the penrith area and the M4. Maybe its the free maccas they get? Ill tell ya they dont order a son of mac, they get a bag full of greasy maccas and then fart all over those nice FPV seats.

Well yesterday I wasnt in the XR turbo but in a Hyundai Getz, I dont think they noticed me. I didnt receive the same treatment as the other day when i was cruising in my XR, hey im the same bloke.


But your not going to street racing anyone in a hyundai Getz are you

[XR6T GEN]

thats not necessarily true. Im might lose big time but that doesnt mean that people who drive hyundai getz arnt potential street racers.

The typhoon brigade might be flying past so many people who are legitimate street racers but are like them "under cover" in Hyundai Getz or Toyota yaris or falcon XR8s (hehe they are slow too)

The point im trying to make is, they are baiting people in cars that are high powered and therefore assume some sort of crazy person is driving them and itching to break the law. they tickle them to provoke a street battle they presume they can control the outcome and that nobody will be hurt.

[RED R8]

thats not necessarily true. Im might lose big time but that doesnt mean that people who drive hyundai getz arnt potential street racers.

The typhoon brigade might be flying past so many people who are legitimate street racers but are like them "under cover" in Hyundai Getz or Toyota yaris or falcon XR8s (hehe they are slow too)

The point im trying to make is, they are baiting people in cars that are high powered and therefore assume some sort of crazy person is driving them and itching to break the law. they tickle them to provoke a street battle they presume they can control the outcome and that nobody will be hurt.

So its up to us as stereo typed Hoons (because we drive modified V8's) to prove to the Phoon squad that we are NOT all street racers and have a level of maturity to resist the challenge and break the Hoon mould.

[smokin joe]

Sneaky buggers arent they , in my opinion , good on them. Theyre doin a great job . Should be more of them .The way i look at it do the right thing , you got nothing to worry about . Break the law , well who you got to blame when you get caught .

[Venom XR]

Just to clear up a gross untruth in this thread...


...cops get half price Maccas, not free Maccas.

Having grown up in Penrith, I can understand why hoon cops are there a lot - it's full of dickheads. The last placed I lived was not far from the corner of high st and parker st and if I wasn't woken up by emergency helicopters landing into Nepean hospital, it was ricers racing from the lights are tearing up the highway through Kingswood.

[Carby]

Sneaky buggers arent they , in my opinion , good on them. Theyre doin a great job . Should be more of them .The way i look at it do the right thing , you got nothing to worry about . Break the law , well who you got to blame when you get caught .

Total waste of resources if you ask me, and XR6T Gen's point is valid they are targetting the Typical Hoon cars but as far as street light derbies go, you could have an Astra and Corolla going for it -but I bet these "Hoons" arn't even given a second glance. As a matter of fact as someone who travels the M4 twice a day 6 days a week I reckon I get overtaken (and I'm always slightly over the limit) by more 4WD' s than any other type of vehicle, especially at night - with their high headlight line and they just try and intimidate you - no problem I just let them pass.....Second would be working vans eg electricians, plumbers and the like, racing to a job no doubt.

I have a simple theory on police work - treat every car/driver the same - I don't believe these unmarked vehicles are working to that maxim.

[HSV Listy]

Mate, if you reread my post, ie the bit you quoted, all the answers are in there. I never said they weren't real, I said they are not from LACs but Traffic Services and are floating about ALL areas on a street racing operation. What's in Penrith today could be in Double bay tomorrow, and Liverpool the day after. You and I will never know where/when.

Unmask the identity? Doesn't actually worry me. because by the time you've seen them sure as shit they've seen you.

And, I just did a stocktake, and I still have a left nut.

Cheers

Glen

Just dont race. Easy. Wait until the next drag night. That is all. EASY
BTW How did you get the picture in the top of the box and be non valadiated. I will have to check the rules to see if we are allowed now. Cool.

[XR6T GEN]

Ive learnt some great stuff by reading this thread... I will list in order of importance...

1. Coppers get half price maccas and choose to hang out near the M4 McDonalds because of it. :rofl:
2. Dont get baited into a street race. Just dont do it. :vpo:
3. Many believe the FPV typhoon undercover commandos are potentially causing a dangerous situation by baiting or scaring drivers into reacting to their taunts :flipoff:
4. Powerful cars are generally the targets of this phoon baiting brigade
5. There are some good tactics to ward off people tailgating you, including the brake and accelerate trick
6. The police are using a vast variety of undercover cars and are getting more sneaky in their tactics to bait. :jester:
7. There is a general boycott on racing typhoons so the cops have to go and trade them all in now as their secret Typhoon operation has been blown open (excuse the pun) and is a big shamozil.
8. No local area command has Typhoons but instead its a work choices issue where fat cops get a 550mn torque police car to pull them around.
9. Most cops are nice, but nevertheless they all have a box head and painted on moustache so undercover or not, they stand out.
10. Despite the Police looking to make our streets safer and raise money, they should not be entitled to drive like hoons and break the law to enforce the law.

[Jarod]

I dunno if any of you guys are familiar with the town i come from, Orange in NSW. Its a small country 'city' about 4 hours from sydney. Id say for a place the size we are, we'd have a hoon problem. Lots of nissans (skylines, silvias) people trying to drift etc.

On occasion the police have a very big presense here. I dunno if its normal, but at times there can be 3 to 4 unmarked HWP patrolling virtually just 1 street.

Some time ago it was a pretty big deal that a typhoon was getting around as an unmarked. I saw it myself. I dunno if it was a copper, or not.

But imagine what its like being a P plater with a TTV8 and aggressive body kit. I got quite alot of RBT's. I understand why police profile and target certain cars. And i expected it too.

I haven't been baited, but i've had some cop cars move very quick to catch up to me.

Overall i've been treated very well by the coppers here. but when i travel to other places, ive had coppers follow me for ages on end. Marked or other wise.

Instead of being baited i have had the cops tell me that i done a u-turn way to quick, came around a round-about too quick etc. When if anything i was driving like a grandma coz i knew they were following me.

I dont see the baiting as much of an issue. I expect it to happen. I expect to be pulled over for RBT's quite alot. But i do see the point that it potentially is taking big risks to get people. If you get caught, cant do much other then take it on the chin.

[glen III]

Just dont race. Easy. Wait until the next drag night. That is all. EASY .

Couldn't be said ANY better.

It's similar to why I've never been in a fight whilst (drinking) in a pub. Because there's a time and a place for everything. I used to box at the PCYC, in the ring. And though I used to get flogged every single time, at least I never got kicked in the guts, hit with a pool cue, or set upon by more than one bloke at a time. Taking it to the track is almost exactly the same principle. Safe, legal and fair.


BTW How did you get the picture in the top of the box and be non valadiated. I will have to check the rules to see if we are allowed now. Cool.

Don't tell them. They'll take it away! I've had the avatar since I joined, the rules changed I believe when the site was major overhauled a few years back. It never went away.

Cheers

Glen

[smokin joe]

Total waste of resources if you ask me, and XR6T Gen's point is valid they are targetting the Typical Hoon cars but as far as street light derbies go, you could have an Astra and Corolla going for it -but I bet these "Hoons" arn't even given a second glance. As a matter of fact as someone who travels the M4 twice a day 6 days a week I reckon I get overtaken (and I'm always slightly over the limit) by more 4WD' s than any other type of vehicle, especially at night - with their high headlight line and they just try and intimidate you - no problem I just let them pass.....Second would be working vans eg electricians, plumbers and the like, racing to a job no doubt.

I have a simple theory on police work - treat every car/driver the same - I don't believe these unmarked vehicles are working to that maxim. I have seen the black SS ute up here in the northside of brisbane pull over quite a few astras and corollas , 4wds, bikes , v8s and jap cars or whatevers.. So me thinks they are doin there job , and i suppose you gotta spend all that revenue raised on something , so why not spend it on cars that
blend in and go like shit , and catch some more of em. Will have to agree there with the 4wds and work utes , but the police have another tactic they like to use late at night and early in the morning , but will leave that for another time . Oh yeah you forgot to mention the odd truck that thinks its
a turbo hayabusa.

[XR6T GEN]

I am genuine that I dont street race. But I reckon half the people that have made a comment on this thread about not taking the bait have dragged someone on our streets.

You know who you are. Im proof that I dont street race or the orange typhoon copper would have got me....

[Carby]

I have seen the black SS ute up here in the northside of brisbane pull over quite a few astras and corollas , 4wds, bikes , v8s and jap cars or whatevers.. So me thinks they are doin there job , and i suppose you gotta spend all that revenue raised on something , so why not spend it on cars that
blend in and go like shit , and catch some more of em. Will have to agree there with the 4wds and work utes , but the police have another tactic they like to use late at night and early in the morning , but will leave that for another time . Oh yeah you forgot to mention the odd truck that thinks its
a turbo hayabusa.


TheTurbo Truck Hayabusas LOL - some of those guys are frightening I can't believe that in heavy traffic they feel comfortable being 2 metres from the car in front doing about 105kph!

[dougie]

This is my opinion but cops are the biggest waste of time/money going in this country. I have too many firsthand accounts were they have taken the easy option. I know most in uniform are good people and I do not blame the individual for the poor/clueless/gutless standard in policing we have to put up with in Australia. Yes every now and again they do something good, but how many of us have a story were something has been stolen, someone bashed for the cops to rock up many hours later, take their report, come across as they don’t get a s&*% and say if you (I) come up with anything to ring them?
This baiting has been going for many years, I remember on the highway between Brisbane and the Gold Coast in the early 90’s the same thing was going on there. I had a copper follow me for ages through the suburbs of Shailer Park when I was a wee bloke, up my grands drive way and try to do me for a give way sign about 20 minutes ago. But he f&*ked off when my Grand Dad (big scary miner in his day) came down asked nicely (well not too nice) what was going on.
My point is if it is too hard they will not worry about, nice easy targets are the go, like a proud Aussie bloke who does not want to let another car beat him. After they impound and crush the car, he will have paid more of a penalty than some women/children bashers and drug importers.

[smokin joe]

TheTurbo Truck Hayabusas LOL - some of those guys are frightening I can't believe that in heavy traffic they feel comfortable being 2 metres from the car in front doing about 105kph!

Yeah frightening alright , had 1 this morning blast past me . Had to look at the shifter to see what gear i was in , thought id knocked it into reverse ,he was goin that quick.

[seedyrom]

The typhoons are on channel 10 news tonight

[DuffMan]

This is my opinion but cops are the biggest waste of time/money going in this country.

Well i guess it's a good thing your name isn't Kevin Rudd or we would all be in deep shit in a weeks time. Yes you have a right to an opinion, but it's a shit one nonetheless.

I haven't read this entire thread as judging by the first page it would be a waste of time, but just some food for thought for everyone -

A few years ago i was tailgated by an undercover cop, and after several km's i had enough. I accelerated to get ahead of the car next to me so i could change lanes and let him past(not fast and certainly not racing) and was pulled up and given a speeding ticket.

Were the cops actions unethical? maybe. Did it work? yes. I haven't even thought about speeding in such a situation since. Make of that what you will but looking back on it now, in the scheme of things it wasn't so bad.

[Turner]

All Highway Patrol cars in NSW (including these typhoons) have In Car Video to stop BS complaints and to make sure they also do their job in a fair and ethical manner, so any allegation of baiting would clearly be recorded and be able to be viewed by the accused driver and if contested by the Magistrate/Judge in court. I am sure if they were baiting cars as the Chinese whispers on this forum would suggest they would get a dressing down. I think it's a good idea to have unmarked cars out there how many times do you see acts of lunacy on the road on the way to/from work and think geez where are the cops... Some people suggest we should have no cops around at all. Think about that for a minute. Who do you call when you or your family are in dire straights? Who investigates and prosecutes a driver who was pissed and killed or maimed your family member or good friend? How many people would obey the laws if they knew there was no possibility of consequences for their actions? What happens when your pride and joy get stolen? A necessary evil I would suggest? (the police)

I am not saying they are not with out their faults and I am sure the courts have allot to answer for as well, but as has been said many times, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

I will end on this note and think about this. The police do not and have never made laws. Parliament our elected officials make the laws, the police only enforce those laws our elected officials pass into legislation and the courts make determinations on matters brought before it. So you want laws changed you have to lobby your local MP’s and relative Ministers and be in a majority of community expectations (in most cases).That is all I will say on this subject.

[mon350]

i saw them crushing cars on tv (all jap crap) i think it is on current affair tomorrow night,i didn't think they could do this???

[VX2VESS]

All Highway Patrol cars in NSW (including these typhoons) have In Car Video to stop BS complaints and to make sure they also do their job in a fair and ethical manner, so any allegation of baiting would clearly be recorded and be able to be viewed by the accused driver and if contested by the Magistrate/Judge in court. I am sure if they were baiting cars as the Chinese whispers on this forum would suggest they would get a dressing down. I think it's a good idea to have unmarked cars out there how many times do you see acts of lunacy on the road on the way to/from work and think geez where are the cops... Some people suggest we should have no cops around at all. Think about that for a minute. Who do you call when you or your family are in dire straights? Who investigates and prosecutes a driver who was pissed and killed or maimed your family member or good friend? How many people would obey the laws if they knew there was no possibility of consequences for their actions? What happens when your pride and joy get stolen? A necessary evil I would suggest? (the police)

I am not saying they are not with out their faults and I am sure the courts have allot to answer for as well, but as has been said many times, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

I will end on this note and think about this. The police do not and have never made laws. Parliament our elected officials make the laws, the police only enforce those laws our elected officials pass into legislation and the courts make determinations on matters brought before it. So you want laws changed you have to lobby your local MP’s and relative Ministers and be in a majority of community expectations (in most cases).That is all I will say on this subject.

are they on all the time or just when they want them on.

i don't think everyone here is lying about be enticed

some if they think have a road rage case behind them may speed up. i had a small truck hassle me, pulled over and he reversed into me, cops can't do anything about that they said. so next time i'll speed up. all i was doing was the speed limit but he wanted to go faster

[Oztrack Tuning]

Only the last 30s is recorded from when they press the button to keep. This means there is ample opportunity to do the wrong thing and get away with it. This is what i am led to believe. However if a complain is made promptly then the evidence might still be retrievable.

[Vulture]

The simple truth is that a very high % of drivers have a bit of a harmless race from the traffic lights within a 'reasonable range of the limits'. But thats not STREET RACING which i consider to be weaving in and out of traffic in excess of 45kph over the limit - which is penalized by loss of licence anyway. It seems the most common car to do this are big Four Wheel Drives and V6 Commodores.

All of us I am sure have been angry on the road by someone elses high risk behaviour and that is well outside of the bounds of having a 'bit of a go'.

If you dont believe its the majority of drivers that have a 'little bit of go' then go watch somewhere at a set of traffic lights. I am certain that even Morris Iemma & John Howard have a little bit of a go at times at traffic lights, most likely when they get a new car or the chauffer is running late. The only people that don't are probably Prius drivers and dedicated Greenies. This political correctness streaming into things is scary as where does it stop with everything. Soon it will be frowned upon to mow your lawn.

I think the 'Typhoon squad are being un-Australian in the Eureka Stockade sense of the word. Our judges cant even give decent punishments to pedophiles and these guys are trying to trick people into being convicted of being dangerous when they are inciting the danger.

That is a brilliant post and I'm glad you wrote it because I am sure everyone is sick reading it from me :eyes: I think we need to distinguish between dangerous street racing a little bit of a go at the lights in an unpopulated area. Decent Police no doubt already use discretion in this situation.

[Arclight]

Only the last 30s is recorded from when they press the button to keep. This means there is ample opportunity to do the wrong thing and get away with it. This is what i am led to believe. However if a complain is made promptly then the evidence might still be retrievable.


incorrect mate, they are always "on" but not necassarly recording. When the button is pushed it backcaptures ( i am not going to tell you how much;) ) the image. So for example if you are seen to run a red the cop hits the button and it backcaptures the last %^%^%^ and your gone!.

Its interesting to say the least when you invite the driver to the car after he has vehmantly denied the offence (on tape) and then is shown the ICV, some reactions are classic.

[XR6T GEN]

The cops use the evidence only when it suits them..

I was pulled up a few years back for allegedly talking on the phone. I wasnt talking on the phone I had an ipod in my ear.

The copper comes over to my car and I denyed his accusation. He said the conversation was being taped, I said great because it will support me. I offered to pull my phone from the glove box and demonstrate that no calls came in or out from my phone in the last half an hour. He completely refused to view this, I said I hope this is still being taped. He also said that his incar camera had footage of me using a phone. It was impossible, he even said it was a nokia phone. How could he identify a nokia phone from 50 metres away where his car was.

I was issued with a fine.

I wrote to the infringment processing bureau and asked for them to review the police footage and recorded sound. they kept giving me the run around and could never locate the evidence.

I had to pay the fine because it was the police word vs mine and the evidence was conveniently "misplaced". :flipoff:

[Arclight]

ahhh why did you bother with the IPB? This pretty much renders your post as incorrect and inflamitory, just like the majority of your replies, as YOU failed to be aware of YOUR rights. You go to court, you get a brief of evidence, you ring the IPB, you might get of the fine and/or points.

It clearly states on the back of the TIN that if you wish to contest the ticket take it to court. The IPB just process the fine.

Mate, its pretty clear you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to police, but we all need to vent and thats cool.

[XR6T GEN]

ahhh why did you bother with the IPB? This pretty much renders your post as incorrect and inflamitory, just like the majority of your replies, as YOU failed to be aware of YOUR rights. You go to court, you get a brief of evidence, you ring the IPB, you might get of the fine and/or points.

It clearly states on the back of the TIN that if you wish to contest the ticket take it to court. The IPB just process the fine.

Mate, its pretty clear you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to police, but we all need to vent and thats cool.

I couldnt go to court as it would cost me more than the fine. The IPB would not pay my costs if I was right so even if I got off I would be losing income from loss of earnings.

I dont have a chip on my shoulders when it comes to Police, they have just rubbed me the wrong way a few times unfairly. Most are good cops but its that 5% of them that give the force a crook reputation.

I dont break the law, so the typhoon guys couldnt get me but I wanted to warn everyone of their shrewd tactics so thoses unsuspecting dont get provoked into battle with them.

I tried to work it out amicably with the IPB but they just dont listen. Whats the point of writing a letter in. (thats what the policeman told me when he booked me). He knew I was gonna get the run around.

[Arclight]

Whats the point of writing a letter in. (thats what the policeman told me when he booked me). He knew I was gonna get the run around.

Some people have success with the IPB, but they dont have access to any information in relation to the offence, other then whats supplied on the TIN, so they could not provide you with, nor have access to the ICV and other related notes etc.

As far as bad/poor coppers around, yeah sure they exist, but dodgy operators exist in every line of work, tradies, store clerks, Telstra operators etc. Nobody is perfect, hence no one group of persons are perfect.

As for the rest, mate, dont race, dont worry, I presonally spend more time hunting drink drivers then street racers, and I think the general public would be shocked beyond belief the amount of drunk drivers are out there, and I am not talking low range, two middies after work type...

[XR6T GEN]

Drunk drivers on the road, thats bloody shocking.

I cannot beleive people drink and drive these days with the public education that we have about this issue.

Anyone caught drinking and driving should be banned for life from driving. I have never ever ever drank and drove. It just makes me sick to think we are trusting our lives in the hands of such people. This really boils my blood

[Cruzadr]

As far as bad/poor coppers around, yeah sure they exist, but dodgy operators exist in every line of work, tradies, store clerks, Telstra operators etc. Nobody is perfect, hence no one group of persons are perfect.


Yeah, but you won't lose your licence/job if the plumber overcharges you labour.

[worldofhurt]

^^^^exactly.Also why do the goverment pass laws that allow police to take your car for allegedly accelerating too fast but drink drivers dont get theirs taken?I dont agree with taking anyones property but if you put it in perspective what is more dangerous??

[XR6T GEN]

There are massive inequities. If you drive an SS, then the typhoon brigade will hassle you into a race, if you drive a corolla and race a honda, it may take you both 3 months to hit the speed limit, but nevertheless this is a legitimate street race, you go by undetected and unnoticed.

If you whip a ricer off at the lights and your torque chirps the wheels you can can be crushed and put on you tube, the guy who drives a truck on the pacific highway on speed so he can drive all night gets caught gets nothing.

The cab drivers who barge in everywhere and cut you off should have their cars crushed.

What is the legitimate definition of a street race? taking over someone? breaking the speed limit? chasing someone?

[Turner]

Here you go get educated. Alot of whinners on here how about some ideas or solutions instead of getting the violin out and bitching how you have been victimised. As for the police in car camera files going missing, I find that very hard to believe as I am sure they get down loaded every shift onto a server and you are entitled to know what evidence there is against you. You need only ask to see the footage and they will let you watch it either at the scene or by appointment at a police station. I suppose the idea is to assist you in deciding if you are going to contest the matter or not. I am sure there are enough idiots out there for the cops to catch with out them having to 'entice' people into committing some sort of offence. I mean think about it. How many idots do you see on the roads. Surely there are enough out there to keep them busy.

Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999 No 20
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40 Races, attempts on speed records and other speed trials

(cf Traffic Act, s 4B)

(1) A person must not organise, promote or take part in:

(a) any race between vehicles on a road or road related area, or

(b) any attempt to break any vehicle speed record on a road or road related area, or

(c) any trial of the speed of a vehicle on a road or road related area, or

(d) any competitive trial designed to test the skill of any vehicle driver or the reliability or mechanical condition of any vehicle on a road or road related area, unless the written approval of the Commissioner of Police to the holding or making of the race, attempt or trial has been obtained.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


(2) The Commissioner of Police may:

(a) grant or refuse approval to the holding or making of a race, attempt or trial referred to in subsection (1), and

(b) impose any condition (whether of general or limited application) on the approval that the Commissioner considers necessary in the interests of public safety and convenience.

Note. Section 48 (1) of the Road Transport (General) Act 1999 provides that a person aggrieved by a decision of the Commissioner of Police under this subsection may apply to the Administrative Decisions Tribunal for a review of the decision.

(3) A person taking part in (or the organiser or promoter) of any race, attempt or trial referred to in subsection (1) must comply with any condition imposed on an approval granted under subsection (2) in respect of the race, attempt or trial.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.


(4) If a person is convicted by a court of an offence under this section in relation to a motor vehicle or trailer:

(a) except as provided by paragraph (b)—the person is disqualified from holding a driver licence by the conviction and without any specific order of a court for 12 months, or

(b) if the court at the time of the conviction thinks fit to order a shorter or a longer period of disqualification—the person is disqualified from holding a driver licence for the period specified in the order.

Note. Section 26 of the Road Transport (General) Act 1999 provides for the effect of a disqualification (whether or not by order of a court).

(5) Any disqualification under this section is in addition to any penalty imposed for the offence.

(6) This section does not apply to any test of the slow running of a vehicle.


Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999 No 20
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41 Conduct associated with road and drag racing and other activities

(cf Traffic Act, s 4BA)

(1) A person must not, on a road or road related area, operate a motor vehicle in such a manner as to cause the vehicle to undergo sustained loss of traction by one or more of the driving wheels (or, in the case of a motor cycle, the driving wheel) of the vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 5 penalty units.


(2) A person must not operate a motor vehicle contrary to subsection (1) knowing that any petrol, oil, diesel fuel or other inflammable liquid has been placed on the surface of the road or road related area beneath one or more tyres of the vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 7 penalty units.


(3) In any proceedings for an offence under subsection (1) or (2), it is a defence if the person charged satisfies the court that the vehicle, although operated as referred to in subsection (1), was not so operated deliberately.

(4) A person must not, on a road or road related area, engage in conduct prescribed by regulations made for the purposes of this section, being conduct associated with the operation of a motor vehicle for speed competitions or other activities specified or described in the regulations.

Maximum penalty: 5 penalty units.


(5) Nothing in this section applies to the operation of a motor vehicle for the purposes of a race, attempt or trial undertaken in accordance with an approval given under section 40 by the Commissioner of Police.

Road Transport (General) Act 2005 No 11
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218 Removal and impounding of vehicles used for certain offences

(cf former Act, s 39)

(1) A police officer who reasonably believes that a motor vehicle:

(a) is being or has (on that day or during the past 10 days) been operated on a road so as to commit an offence under section 40 or 41 of the Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999, or

(b) is the subject of a period of impounding, or the subject of forfeiture, under section, may seize and take charge of the motor vehicle and cause it to be removed to a place determined by the Commissioner of Police.

(2) A motor vehicle may be seized under subsection (1) from:

(a) a road or public place, or

(b) any other place, with the consent of the owner or occupier of the place or under the authority of a search warrant issued under section 228.

(3) For the purpose of exercising the powers conferred by subsection (1), a police officer may cause any locking device or other feature of the motor vehicle concerned that is impeding the exercise of those powers to be removed, dismantled or neutralised and may, if the driver or any other person will not surrender the keys to the vehicle, start the vehicle by other means.

(4) Any motor vehicle removed to a place in accordance with subsection (1) may, subject to the regulations, be impounded at that place or may be moved to and impounded at any other place determined by the Commissioner.

(5) A motor vehicle that may be removed under subsection (1) or (4):

(a) may be moved by its being driven, whether or not under power, or by its being towed or pushed, or in any other manner whatever, and

(b) may be moved by one or more police officers or, at the direction of a police officer, by persons engaged by the Commissioner, and may be impounded at premises under the control of the Commissioner or of another authority or person.

(6) The regulations may make provision for or with respect to requiring the responsible person for or driver of a motor vehicle to pay a fee in relation to the towing of the vehicle under this section. The whole or any part of the fee that is unpaid may be recovered from the responsible person or driver of the motor vehicle by the Commissioner as a debt due to the Crown in any court of competent jurisdiction. A certificate in writing given by a police officer as to the fact and cost of towing is evidence of those matters.

[XR6T GEN]

Hey,

I didnt say it went missing, I just said that it was never made available to me to view as im sure I was right as I was using an ipod. They thought, lets make it too hard and this bloke will P**s off and just pay it. I sent them about 6 letters and they just ignored them and started charging $50 penalty for late payment. they would just send out the same response saying go to court, never did they consider my letters.

Who has the time to read that law stuff you printed. Are you trying to put us to sleep? You must be heaps fun at a bbq, :rofl:

[sparkplug]

wow they really have written 50 thousand new stupid rules to screw you over if you don't drive like a granny.... By the sounds of half of the rules you dont have to even be involved in a race at all but to just take off quicker than the Barina next to you...

[DuffMan]

If you dont believe its the majority of drivers that have a 'little bit of go' then go watch somewhere at a set of traffic lights. I am certain that even Morris Iemma & John Howard have a little bit of a go at times at traffic lights, most likely when they get a new car or the chauffer is running late. The only people that don't are probably Prius drivers and dedicated Greenies. This political correctness streaming into things is scary as where does it stop with everything. Soon it will be frowned upon to mow your lawn.

I'm sorry, but you are absolutely WRONG!!!........... mowing your lawn IS already frowned apon in some councils (the rest of your post i agree with:))

Some councils want to ban mowing your lawn on sundays. This can prove difficult to avoid if like me, you work 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week. It's illegal to do it when i leave for work, and illegal to do it when i get home. Try and figure that one out!

Anyhow, i've strayed a little off topic.

[Cruzadr]

From what I gather from the law then the cops are breaking the first part of it as they were certainly promoting a race. Not sure cops are allowed to break laws to catch people breaking laws.
Don't get me wrong if you break the law then just serve the sentence and learn your lesson, a lesson I learnt the hard way. But the action of the Typhoon, and many others by the sounds of it, is very aggressive way to go about it. Thats like waving a loaded gun at Chopper Reid and expecting a kiss and a cuddle. Whoever that cop is should have the book thrown at him and he should be guarding building sites not policing our roads.

[Ghosn]

The cops use the evidence only when it suits them..

I was pulled up a few years back for allegedly talking on the phone. I wasnt talking on the phone I had an ipod in my ear.

The copper comes over to my car and I denyed his accusation. He said the conversation was being taped, I said great because it will support me. I offered to pull my phone from the glove box and demonstrate that no calls came in or out from my phone in the last half an hour. He completely refused to view this, I said I hope this is still being taped. He also said that his incar camera had footage of me using a phone. It was impossible, he even said it was a nokia phone. How could he identify a nokia phone from 50 metres away where his car was.

I was issued with a fine.

I wrote to the infringment processing bureau and asked for them to review the police footage and recorded sound. they kept giving me the run around and could never locate the evidence.

I had to pay the fine because it was the police word vs mine and the evidence was conveniently "misplaced". :flipoff:

You do realise there was a simple way out of it? A call to ur phone company for a record of calls made and received could have made things much simplier for you.

[ShanghaiVZ]

The typhoons are on channel 10 news tonight

Orange and yellow ones! and another thing bloody 50% off at macca's and other fast food outlets, now what warrants half price to them and them only??

[glen III]

You do realise there was a simple way out of it? A call to ur phone company for a record of calls made and received could have made things much simplier for you.

You don't have to talk on you mobile phone to be fined, it is "use hand-held mobile phone". Reading an SMS, playing tetris, listening to an MP3, whatever. So that won't help you.

XR6T - The ICV file will probably STILL be there. In the vehicle it's in a fire, theft and tamper proof safe. It then gets downloaded regulalrly and kept, by law, for at least two years [ s108 Law Enforcement (Powers & Responsibilities) Act 2002, www.legislation.nsw.gov.au ]. If you had made enquiries with the station of issue, you would have been able to view it. based on that viewing, you could go either way with it.

As with everything, if you feel you are right, then fight it. But get actual legal advice, not that of a friend or relative, however well-meaning. It may prove to be an enlightening experience.


Orange and yellow ones! and another thing bloody 50% off at macca's and other fast food outlets, now what warrants half price to them and them only??


Another misconception, ANY uniformed servce (ambos, firies, armed services etc) are afforded the same discount. It is a McDonalds corporate policy, up to the discretion of the manager on duty.


Cheers

Glen

[XR6T GEN]

I might actually help out the police. Ill rev someone up for a race, when they take off, Ill nab them and make a citizens arrest and ill start kicking his car so its easier to later squash it and put it on you tube.

When im in court, Ill just say I had to break the law to catch a crook, isnt that what you guys do?? Did you want me to let him get away, I caught him didnt I? Ill be known as the "vigilante".

[ShanghaiVZ]

Another misconception, ANY uniformed servce (ambos, firies, armed services etc) are afforded the same discount. It is a McDonalds corporate policy, up to the discretion of the manager on duty.


Never thought of it like that, geez you guys got it easy :lol:

[XR6T GEN]

You don't have to talk on you mobile phone to be fined, it is "use hand-held mobile phone". Reading an SMS, playing tetris, listening to an MP3, whatever. So that won't help you.

XR6T - The ICV file will probably STILL be there. In the vehicle it's in a fire, theft and tamper proof safe. It then gets downloaded regulalrly and kept, by law, for at least two years [ s108 Law Enforcement (Powers & Responsibilities) Act 2002, www.legislation.nsw.gov.au ]. If you had made enquiries with the station of issue, you would have been able to view it. based on that viewing, you could go either way with it.

As with everything, if you feel you are right, then fight it. But get actual legal advice, not that of a friend or relative, however well-meaning. It may prove to be an enlightening experience.

Another misconception, ANY uniformed servce (ambos, firies, armed services etc) are afforded the same discount. It is a McDonalds corporate policy, up to the discretion of the manager on duty.


Cheers

Glen

Ive paid the fine now, Imbitter about it, but to waste time on fighting it and loose income from work. nup. They wont pay my loss of earnings if i win, thats why i didnt pursue it.

[LTH-00L]

I almost raced a a white GT with the blue stripes down the side which was being driven by a cop. I was cruising when they came up next to me and started egging me on. I pushed in the clutch, geared down to 3rd still holding the clutch in, looked over through the dark tints and spotted the strobe on the dash... I then quickly put it back into 6th and continued my cruise.

The cops saw the look on my face and knew what i was thinking and started laughing. gees i was lucky.

This was over a year ago though before street racing was as bad as it is now.

[Vulture]

This was over a year ago though before street racing was as bad as it is now.

So street racing has suddenly become more of a problem?

[Ghosn]

You don't have to talk on you mobile phone to be fined, it is "use hand-held mobile phone". Reading an SMS, playing tetris, listening to an MP3, whatever. So that won't help you.

Glen

I was laying reference to this case in particular. If the cop fined him for 'talking on the phone' as he said, a simple look at the history of the phone records would show otherwise and prove the cop was mistaken and you will most likely be given the benefit of the doubt.

[Turner]

Just to clear something up, a few posters have stated that police break the rules to catch the offenders. Yes they do, they have exemptions under the Common Law and the Australian Road Rules. How else are they supposed to do there job same for ambos blowing red lights and speeding they and firies have exemptions. I can't really think of another way the cops could catch people if they didn't break the law them selves. Can you?

The only reason I post the legislation is to show people what the law is, not what they have been told or what a firend of theirs told them. It dispells any BS. Go straight to the legislation and hopefully give you a better understanding of what the law is. Boring I know but very relevant to this subject and car enthusiasts'. Always good to know where you stand.

Australian Road Rules
--------------------

305 Exemption for drivers of police vehicles

(1) A provision of the Australian Road Rules does not apply to the driver of a police vehicle if:

(a) in the circumstances:

(i) the driver is taking reasonable care, and

(ii) it is reasonable that the provision should not apply, and

(b) if the vehicle is a motor vehicle that is moving—the vehicle is displaying a blue or red flashing light or sounding an alarm.

Note. Motor vehicle and police vehicle are defined in the dictionary.

(2) Subrule (1) (b) does not apply to the driver if, in the circumstances, it is reasonable:

(a) not to display the light or sound the alarm, or

(b) for the vehicle not to be fitted or equipped with a blue or red flashing light or an alarm.

[WOMBIE]

Yeah but ambos and firies don't goad drivers into doing stupid things but i do take your point though.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Ive got an idea :) - the street racers of Sydney challenge the Police Typhoon squad to a special wednesday night at WSID. Lets do something positive to deal with the issue of street racing.

While they are at it maybe the regional bosses will make statement to WSID that should be read out over the PA to the effect - "We will not tolerant any street racing on the way home after the meet from spectators or from racers BUT from now on we wont be pulling over numerous cars and handing out defect notices near the venue as we consider that counterproductive".

Who wants to race a Police Typhoon? Maybe the publically owned Typhoons can come to the venue on a nominated night and represent the police if they aren't allowed by the Police Minister to attend or to make up the numbers - so everyone can have a turn.

Maybe Jim Read can call Morris Iemma and help the process get off the ground.

[whitels1ss]

Ive got an idea :) - the street racers of Sydney challenge the Police Typhoon squad to a special wednesday night at WSID. Lets do something positive to deal with the issue of street racing.

While they are at it maybe the regional bosses will make statement to WSID that should be read out over the PA to the effect - "We will not tolerant any street racing on the way home after the meet from spectators or from racers BUT from now on we wont be pulling over numerous cars and handing out defect notices near the venue as we consider that counterproductive".

Who wants to race a Police Typhoon? Maybe the publically owned Typhoons can come to the venue on a nominated night and represent the police if they aren't allowed by the Police Minister to attend or to make up the numbers - so everyone can have a turn.

Maybe Jim Read can call Morris Iemma and help the process get off the ground.

Great idea!!!!!!!!!
Wish it was at Adelaide!

[smokin joe]

This 1s still goin ???? faroutman

[Big_Valven]

The apparent problem is thus:

The police are usually justified in breaking the law to apprehend law-breakers, but in the situation of street racing, many of us find it unfair that the police approach people who are not breaking the law and coax them into performing illegal driving acts in order to apprehend them, risking the lives of the people they try to race, the police officers, and any bystanders when there are plenty of other people breaking the law on the roads without encouragement.

[WOMBIE]

Ive got an idea :) - the street racers of Sydney challenge the Police Typhoon squad to a special wednesday night at WSID. Lets do something positive to deal with the issue of street racing.

While they are at it maybe the regional bosses will make statement to WSID that should be read out over the PA to the effect - "We will not tolerant any street racing on the way home after the meet from spectators or from racers BUT from now on we wont be pulling over numerous cars and handing out defect notices near the venue as we consider that counterproductive".

Who wants to race a Police Typhoon? Maybe the publically owned Typhoons can come to the venue on a nominated night and represent the police if they aren't allowed by the Police Minister to attend or to make up the numbers - so everyone can have a turn.

Maybe Jim Read can call Morris Iemma and help the process get off the ground.
Good idea oz....gotta crack my cherry sometime :lol: but i'm afraid it won't change much on how they go about catching people out.

[Ghosn]

The apparent problem is thus:

The police are usually justified in breaking the law to apprehend law-breakers, but in the situation of street racing, many of us find it unfair that the police approach people who are not breaking the law and coax them into performing illegal driving acts in order to apprehend them, risking the lives of the people they try to race, the police officers, and any bystanders when there are plenty of other people breaking the law on the roads without encouragement.


Perfectly said. That is the exact point right there.

[smokiebbear]

I pulled up at the lights next to an "unmarked" BA GT falcon the other month in the missus magna, I had the missus, my mum, her hubby and his son in the car at this time also. I don't know if they were on duty or the cop driving it owned it, both had uniforms on. Anyhow i decided i'd have some fun so I kept staring at them until they noticed me looking and then i pointed straight ahead and started reving up the engine in the 2.6l 4cyl 93 model magnussen :D Had the little bugger on about 6,000 rpms in neutral. They absolutly pissed themselves laughing and put down their passenger window and gave me a big thumbs up. When the lights changed green we both drove off NORMALLY with these guys grinning up as I was rocking back and forth in the car like riding a race horse and making a whipping motion as we cruised up to 70kph. They turned off not far down the road and gave me a big wave as I drove past them when they slowed down to make their turn.

I reckon they were top blokes :bow:

[iamhappy46]

Have the police had cameras in every NSW police car since 2002? Do they record audio or is that only on the 'Suretalks'?



XR6T - The ICV file will probably STILL be there. In the vehicle it's in a fire, theft and tamper proof safe. It then gets downloaded regulalrly and kept, by law, for at least two years [ s108 Law Enforcement (Powers & Responsibilities) Act 2002, www.legislation.nsw.gov.au ]. If you had made enquiries with the station of issue, you would have been able to view it. based on that viewing, you could go either way with it.

[XR6T GEN]

How about we challenge the typhoon brigade at WSID.

Id like a chance to throw one back at them after they threw a haymaker at me on the road and I couldnt hit back.

Id pull their pants down on the dragstrip.

Lets put a formal proposal together, Public vs Police. once a month

In return a boycott of all things street racing, absolute condemnation of it.

[Rotty]

Queensland Police used to have a "similar" thing. There were two cars "cop this" and "cop that". Used to take them to the drags at the Gold Coast for challenges. Don't know if they are still around, but it was a great idea....bit different I know to taking on operational cars...but the chances of the NSW Police authorising operational vehicles to race? Forget it!

[superSV6]

well i consider myself lucky as i am currently driving a 97 magna, the cops will never want to bait people with cars like me! hahaha.

[EHH179]

It is not a new problem. Back when Auburn Maccas was growing and growing (late 80's) around the time the trouble makers got involved, the Parramatta Area Command, and i was told the Penrith Area also had a $20000 car fund.
They bought and modified a LJ Torana, and ran around in that. The only difference was that this was just a bait vehicle, with marked cars following in radio communciation with the Torana. As soon as a race was detected, the officer in the Torana would call it in. The only reason I found out about it was my relationship with the Area Superintendents daughter at the time. Saved our hide, but got a lot of blokes at the time. Went for about 6 months, until only the stupid weren't aware of what was going on.

[XR6T GEN]

I know someone who has a VX SS. he claims the coppers were trying to bait him and they both pulled up to a set of lights. He rolled down his window and told the coppers off. He then challenged them to a run only between sets of lights.

He says the officers agreed not to book him, he said he beat them between lights and the coppers were good on their word.

[Ghosn]

I know someone who has a VX SS. he claims the coppers were trying to bait him and they both pulled up to a set of lights. He rolled down his window and told the coppers off. He then challenged them to a run only between sets of lights.

He says the officers agreed not to book him, he said he beat them between lights and the coppers were good on their word.

Sorry but that's a big load of shit.

[MICK VE]

i am lucky enough to own 2 performance commodores and have been pulled over many of times. Both cars have defects all over them but if your civil with them and they c that you love your car they admire that and most of the time u will be sweet with them.The last time i got pulled up was because the cop wanted 2 no wat he could do 2 his vz ss to give it a bit of punch and he ended up booking his car in my shop 4 a exhaust,cold air intake and a maffless tune. Goes to show there not all pricks

[Arclight]

I know someone who has a VX SS. he claims the coppers were trying to bait him and they both pulled up to a set of lights. He rolled down his window and told the coppers off. He then challenged them to a run only between sets of lights.

He says the officers agreed not to book him, he said he beat them between lights and the coppers were good on their word.

:rofl:

please..

[Spectrum]

i am lucky enough to own 2 performance commodores and have been pulled over many of times. Both cars have defects all over them but if your civil with them and they c that you love your car they admire that and most of the time u will be sweet with them.The last time i got pulled up was because the cop wanted 2 no wat he could do 2 his vz ss to give it a bit of punch and he ended up booking his car in my shop 4 a exhaust,cold air intake and a maffless tune. Goes to show there not all pricks

Very well stated. Over the years, I've had more than my fair share of speed tickets, and I would be the first to admit that they were all deserved. But I have been let off on just about every probable ticket where a traffic cop has pulled me over because I have simply been civil and polite and answered their questions, and have not been confrontational.

One of the most memorable episodes which my mates at the golf club still talk about was the day back in 2001 when we were returning from a golf trip. As you do over long journeys, you tend to lose "feel" for how fast you're driving on the motorway: in my case, I was doing about 160Kph when I saw a cop on an overpass bridge with his laser gun (and a chaser on the road side). I slammed on the brakes and carried on. After about 3Km, I could see this green VS weaving in and out of traffic and didn't think much of it. I changed lanes to the middle one and saw him do the same: he soon got close enough for me to see his lights. Pulled over and he lectured me about the dangers of driving fast (his mate with the laser pinged me @ 138kph), had a conversation about cars...and then he let me off. To this day, I'm not sure whether he let me off out of charity, or whether there is a legal requirement for him to have caught up and pulled me over within a time or distance limit...eg, in NZ, a cop has to follow you for minimum 500 metres before he can legally use his speedo reading as a basis for issuing a speeding infringement notice.

I've yet to meet a nasty traffic cop.

[Jarod]

An unmarked typhoon with a heap or arials being closely folllowed by a marked VE SS just came through Orange. Probably on their way elsewhere.

[nang3]

Sorry but that's a big load of shit.

not sure about that particular story but i can believe it.. a mate ive known for 20 odd years is a cop and ive met a lot of his copper mates - I can very easily imagine a fair few of them doing this sort of thing.. half of them drop pills and go out clubbing and shite and prolly go just as hard as most of us civilians hahahaha... they are only human after all

[AWSM VU]

i can tell all you WA boys honestly that there is a undercover red vy clubby on vx gts 19" mags in perth. only ever saw guys in suits get in and out of it. also a red vy ss ute with the same deal. (did some wiring at a cop shop in perth and saw them everyday for 5 weeks)

[RED R8]

i can tell all you WA boys honestly that there is a undercover red vy clubby on vx gts 19" mags in perth. only ever saw guys in suits get in and out of it. also a red vy ss ute with the same deal. (did some wiring at a cop shop in perth and saw them everyday for 5 weeks)

That is VERY undercover...

[XR6T GEN]

Sorry but that's a big load of shit.

How would you know if its true. A friend of mine said he did run the coppers and they didnt book him. Were you there? How can you retort his account of what happened? Grow up Mr Rudd

[VX2VESS]

I know someone who has a VX SS. he claims the coppers were trying to bait him and they both pulled up to a set of lights. He rolled down his window and told the coppers off. He then challenged them to a run only between sets of lights.

He says the officers agreed not to book him, he said he beat them between lights and the coppers were good on their word.

what doesn't make sense is he tells them off for trying, then asks them for a race?

[Dane VN V8]

Well there is a undercover red ve ss sedan around the bankstown area in sydney and the same blue VZ SS undercover that got me now has monaro bonnet scoops on it which I seen on the m5 :1peek:

[nang3]

i can tell all you WA boys honestly that there is a undercover red vy clubby on vx gts 19" mags in perth. only ever saw guys in suits get in and out of it. also a red vy ss ute with the same deal. (did some wiring at a cop shop in perth and saw them everyday for 5 weeks)

shiite, those are the 2 friggen cars i'd prolly want to give a run out of any cause i have 2 mates, 1 with a VY clubby and another with a VY SS ...
Both of them think they will destroy my phoon but are always too busy to go to the plex!!
The VY clubby is an auto as well haha

[Arclight]

and the same blue VZ SS undercover that got me now has monaro bonnet scoops on it which I seen on the m5 :1peek:

ahh, i think not.

oh and they are not undercover, they are unmarked :)

[Ghosn]

How would you know if its true. A friend of mine said he did run the coppers and they didnt book him. Were you there? How can you retort his account of what happened? Grow up Mr Rudd

Mr Rudd? Have another puff kid. The story is full of holes and coming from the No. 1 shit talker on this forum, it's not hard to put two and two together. And if for some unknown reason it was half true, ur mate is the biggest moron on this planet.

[XR6T GEN]

Come on Mr Rudd. Look I wasnt actually there. My mate said the coppers were egging him on to race. they pulle dup at a set of lights and he wound the window down to abuse them. He then said he would take them on to the next lights but thats it. the cops agreed and didnt book him.

He reckons he dusted them up in a straight line, said his VX SS was stock standard at the time and Auto. Maybe the cops have too much weight in their car, computers plus donut bellies.

[SSFreak]

A couple of days ago I was driving along minding my own business when an acid rush colour XR6 Turbo came up next to me and then suddenly floored it. I thought to myself "what the hell's his problem?". There was a car 100 metres ahead where the two lanes merged into one (besides the three of us, there were no other cars on the road). The XR6T flew past the other car before it fully merged, nearly wiping it out in the process. A couple of minutes later up the road he had pulled a car over. Yep, the XR6T was an unmarked police car. It made me think that what could the car he pulled over possibly have done that was worse than what the cop himself had just done. Not only had he exceeded the speed limit by a very large margin but he had also come very close to causing a spectacular accident. :nono:

[Arclight]

And whats your point, If the cop had caused an accident then he would have worn it., and of course you have neve engaged in irresponsible driving....

You dont know what that bloke in the other car had done, just the other day NSW HWP caught the bloke that had stabbed his wife to death and taken his 8 yr old daughter, they caught him somewhere on the F6 if my memory serves me right, you know people who have outstanding warrents etc do also drive cars.....

When Police engage in a pursuit/urgent duty run ,the risks are extremely high, but they are the ones that must be taken to do a job, if it all comes apart (and it has) then the Police, if at fault, will be held accountable.

[Ghosn]

Come on Mr Rudd. Look I wasnt actually there. My mate said the coppers were egging him on to race. they pulle dup at a set of lights and he wound the window down to abuse them. He then said he would take them on to the next lights but thats it. the cops agreed and didnt book him.

He reckons he dusted them up in a straight line, said his VX SS was stock standard at the time and Auto. Maybe the cops have too much weight in their car, computers plus donut bellies.

:rofl: :rofl:

Enough already, don't u have homework to do ?

[Knight Phlier]

I think i have seen one of these on the F3 around Wahroongha (near F3 onramp). It was black, real dark windows. Not 100% sure it was a cop. There are plenty of XR6T's (With stripes / different colours) patrolling this area. I have even seen a XR6 Ute, which was a XR6 Turbo (Could see the intercooler)>

If they are baiting ppl, then this goes against all they preach. If my wife is driving the commodore and someone does that sh!t to her, she would get scared and nervous (She has a hard enough time driving a 'large' car with a big motor). What right do these immature cops have to put someone in this position? Because they "Think" you are a hoon based on the type of car you drive??

If someone does this to me would it be right to let it go or to make a formal complaint to the LAC or better the police commissioner?

[Arclight]

If you feel you have a greivance towards the conduct or actions of an officer, just contact their LAC, make sure you record their name rank etc, and also the vehicle callsign and registration. Then also make note of the time/date/place. Be prepared to back up your claims with evidence etc of your complaint, as making misleading or false compliants about an officer is actually an offence that carries penalties. You will be asked to provide a formal statement and also you cant do it over the phone, you will need to attend the station.

If it's agaisnt the actions of a HWY officer, be advised that all conversation is recorded and also the cars have ICV fitted.

[nang3]

I think i have seen one of these on the F3 around Wahroongha (near F3 onramp). It was black, real dark windows. Not 100% sure it was a cop. There are plenty of XR6T's (With stripes / different colours) patrolling this area. I have even seen a XR6 Ute, which was a XR6 Turbo (Could see the intercooler)>

If they are baiting ppl, then this goes against all they preach. If my wife is driving the commodore and someone does that sh!t to her, she would get scared and nervous (She has a hard enough time driving a 'large' car with a big motor). What right do these immature cops have to put someone in this position? Because they "Think" you are a hoon based on the type of car you drive??

If someone does this to me would it be right to let it go or to make a formal complaint to the LAC or better the police commissioner?


that is my exact concern as well with my GF driving her WRX late at night after work !! Especially if they were following her like the dude in the skyline from one of the 1st pages in this thread..

I bet if she lead them to our place after calling me in a panic, and the cops were met with baseball bats and bricks to the windscreen that the book would get thrown at me and they would have nothing to answer for.

Before you all say that baseball bats and bricks arent the right answer, think how you would feel if someone was terrorising your wife/daughter/kids whatever in the middle of the night and you had no idea who they were and they turned up at your house... it could be car jackers, meth heads, rapists, indigenous losers who f*cken knows!!

[Arclight]

... it could be car jackers, meth heads, rapists, indigenous losers who f*cken knows!!


And you would lead them back to your house, so they would know were you lived when they returned for a little payback?

better to get your other half to go directly to the nearest copshop.

[Jase]

I see alot of smart post here and a few that are just well..

a few things i want to say.

Re jumping on the brakes for the "Dog" so the cop car hits you, please do, the court will have a good laugh when they watch the ICV at court.


I thought the In Car Video only ran when the flashing lights were on?

Either way yes the ICV footage would be interesting to get hold of because if it ran without the flashing lights being on it would show the repeated dangerous driving that so many people are accusing the police of. How many times do they drive recklesly before they manage to stumble upon a hoon? How many times can a driver, even a well trained one, drive recklesly before he/she kills an innocent?

And if the ICV doesn't run unless the flashing lights are on then as they don't use the lights whilst engaged in the alleged reckless driving then there would be no footage of the alleged dog would there.

But then i am probably being a bit naive in thinking the ICV would ever be setup in such a way as to point the finger at the officers, much more likely that it would be controlled by a switch on the dash so that it could be switched on only after the officers had finished their reckless driving and the just in time to catch the "real" offender.

When i read everyones stories i just have to shake my head, if only one of these stories is true then it is one too many. Maybe the officers involved need to sit in my passenger seat when i drive to work because i see serious traffic crimes every few kilometers every single day. More than enough to keep them busy without having to put the public in danger. But then again where would be the challenge in that, just enforcing the law. Much more fun to drive like a dick and hang a "protecting the public" label on it. Well protecting the public that doesn't get under their wheels that is.

[Arclight]

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[Rotty]

So I guess Jase is all for unmarked cars then?

[XR6T GEN]

I think this thread proves the coppers baiting people is a very very grey area. the coppers on this thread think well dont speed and dont be caught. But its the other side that dont want people driving dangerously near them, plus the types of cars that get targeted, plus what if your gf or sister is driving one, plus the moral issues around entrapment.

Whats the answer. I say no unmarked cars, Police presnece will do enough to stop street racing. For example, we all know that the Typhoons lurk in the shadows on the m4 so noone will race on there, If there was a marked car, more people would get the message not to speed on the m4 (instead of being booked).

I understand the need for undercover cars to allow the coppers inside for drug operations etc etc and other crimes but not for street racing. Its just revenue raising, the marked car would achieve the same thing but instead noone gets booked because they slow down. Plus the cops dont have to drive erratically to bait people endangering other road users.

[XR6T GEN]

I think this thread proves the coppers baiting people is a very very grey area. the coppers on this thread think well dont speed and dont be caught. But its the other side that dont want people driving dangerously near them, plus the types of cars that get targeted, plus what if your gf or sister is driving one, plus the moral issues around entrapment.

Whats the answer. I say no unmarked cars, Police presnece will do enough to stop street racing. For example, we all know that the Typhoons lurk in the shadows on the m4 so noone will race on there, If there was a marked car, more people would get the message not to speed on the m4 (instead of being booked).

I understand the need for undercover cars to allow the coppers inside for drug operations etc etc and other crimes but not for street racing. Its just revenue raising, the marked car would achieve the same thing but instead noone gets booked because they slow down. Plus the cops dont have to drive erratically to bait people endangering other road users.

[rodp]

I'm sorry. I don't buy all this baiting and entrapment malarky. I've been driving a V8 for years and I'm sick of clowns tailgating me or trying to egg me on at the lights for a showdown.

As far as I'm concerned, if a cop in an unmarked successfully baits and books you then job well done! 1st time a cop tried to bait me was in 1989 so its certainly not new and I've had one recently do it a few weeks ago. They're not even going to get a nibble from me, but if they get a bite from someone else, they've just made the road a little safer for me.

[XR6T GEN]

I'm sorry. I don't buy all this baiting and entrapment malarky. I've been driving a V8 for years and I'm sick of clowns tailgating me or trying to egg me on at the lights for a showdown.

As far as I'm concerned, if a cop in an unmarked successfully baits and books you then job well done! 1st time a cop tried to bait me was in 1989 so its certainly not new and I've had one recently do it a few weeks ago. They're not even going to get a nibble from me, but if they get a bite from someone else, they've just made the road a little safer for me.

So Rob, if i see you in a pub, you look like you might like to throw a few punches, I come over and noone see me throw a haymaker at you, you decide to throw a few back, then I have my mate the security guy throw you out the door head first onto the pavement, are you the trouble maker in this situation? this is no different to the police tactics, unfairly targeting you because of your ride and then enticing you so they can make their daily quota of booking people.

[Vulture]

They're not even going to get a nibble from me....

Mate that's because you drive an XR8 and you know you'll cop a flogging :eyes: :jester: :stick:

[rodp]

I understand the need for undercover cars to allow the coppers inside for drug operations etc etc and other crimes but not for street racing. Its just revenue raising, the marked car would achieve the same thing but instead noone gets booked because they slow down. Plus the cops dont have to drive erratically to bait people endangering other road users.

You're just argued the point for more undercover cars. No-one is going street race infront of a marked car. So you can either put a marked car on every intersection or people will street race when they don't see a marked car.

I've never seen an unmarked drive any more erratically than the average moron on the road that I deal with many times a day. If they're tailgating, I let them pass. I would certainly feel a lot safer on our roads knowing that drivers are being removed for going into testosterone overload just because a Typhoon loomed in their rear view mirror rather than having to rely on a permanent marked police presence to kerb street racers.


So Rob, if i see you in a pub, you look like you might like to throw a few punches, I come over and noone see me throw a haymaker at you, you decide to throw a few back, then I have my mate the security guy throw you out the door head first onto the pavement, are you the trouble maker in this situation? this is no different to the police tactics, unfairly targeting you because of your ride and then enticing you so they can make their daily quota of booking people.

How is this even a close analogy!? Unless the unmarked car shunted you from behind, what exactly is your point?


Mate that's because you drive an XR8 and you know you'll cop a flogging :eyes: :jester: :stick:

It's quicker than the SS it replaced. :wave:


I thought the In Car Video only ran when the flashing lights were on?

No, it runs permanently.