Time to sell the V8's - NOW!

[Carby]

I can't believe that there appears to be little respite from people buying big 4WD's and V8's. Let me bring you guys up to date with current events!

The price of oil per barrell as of 2 weeks ago was USD90.87, in January of this year it was USD 50.17, thats an increase of over 81% in less than 1 year. While we have suffered from higher petrol prices we have been cushioned by the weak US dollar which is about 89cents to our dollar, traditonally it has been about 65 cents to our dollar. If the US dollar recovers, then we are in for a very torrid time fuel wise. If petrol gets to $2 a litre (easy to imagine) that means $40 /week more in fuel for me , $130 to fill the tank, and that will make the decision for the next type of car very easy.

Added to the above is our signing of the Kyoto agreement - Canberra is already muting changes to the import tax that allows 4 WD's to come in @ 5% cheaper than a sedan (actually, this should have been done years ago). It also will be pressuring our local car makers to make more economical cars - something they are not really good at. Also Sydney council is intending to DOUBLE car parking fees for 4 wd's, medium polluters will get a 75% increase and low emmiters of co2 will stay at the current rate -this is for residents and Business use.

Given that all states are now Labor controlled it is clear that they have been given a mandate to go green and I fully expect all states to toe that line. There's added revenue to be made as we go green!!Expect higher rego fees for big polluting cars, Insurance fees to go up on these vehicles and green levies applied while we try and make our Kyoto targets. The new Hoon laws and burnout laws are already making owners of such "hoonmobiles" pariahs of society

I reckon the game is up, no longer is it about 400m times or 0-100kph it's all about L/100km and grams of CO2 / kilometre! :spew:

What rational person would buy a V8 in this climate?:confused:

[Steakman]

I know over here in WA there are alot of people earning more money than 5 years ago. There are a lot of new cars being bought as a result (second hand car market has crashed). Lots of people now are willing to spend money on that luxury car or sweet 6L V8, I can't see that changing for a few years yet over in WA.

[OUTAtheBloo]

I'll stick with the V8 that i own, not worth me giving it up for something i know i wont like.

Im lucky, my boss pays for my fuel :)

Dan

[Big_Valven]

I dunno if this is the right place to ask if anyone would rationally buy a v8 in this climate.

I am sure many would agree that buying your dream (or close to) car isn't a decision that involves ration :)

But true, things are looking worse and worse for the v8... there are plenty of solutions out there!

[SCiFiRE]

I will pay another $50 a week in fuel if i have to. If it goes up more maybe it will be worht paying rego on a more economical car.

but i WILL NOT, EVER give up a V8. There are many other things i would cut back on first.
2 things in my life that i enjoy are big screen movies and V8 RWDs. They are my therapy and my escape from the world, and i will never ever ever give either of them up.

[highlander_69r]

fuel goes up and down all the time, if u goin to fret everytime oil spikes then u shouldnt have a v8 in the first place

[gollum]

I can't believe that there appears to be little respite from people buying big 4WD's and V8's. Let me bring you guys up to date with current events!

The price of oil per barrell as of 2 weeks ago was USD90.87, in January of this year it was USD 50.17, thats an increase of over 81% in less than 1 year. While we have suffered from higher petrol prices we have been cushioned by the weak US dollar which is about 89cents to our dollar, traditonally it has been about 65 cents to our dollar. If the US dollar recovers, then we are in for a very torrid time fuel wise. If petrol gets to $2 a litre (easy to imagine) that means $40 /week more in fuel for me , $130 to fill the tank, and that will make the decision for the next type of car very easy.

Added to the above is our signing of the Kyoto agreement - Canberra is already muting changes to the import tax that allows 4 WD's to come in @ 5% cheaper than a sedan (actually, this should have been done years ago). It also will be pressuring our local car makers to make more economical cars - something they are not really good at. Also Sydney council is intending to DOUBLE car parking fees for 4 wd's, medium polluters will get a 75% increase and low emmiters of co2 will stay at the current rate -this is for residents and Business use.

Given that all states are now Labor controlled it is clear that they have been given a mandate to go green and I fully expect all states to toe that line. There's added revenue to be made as we go green!!Expect higher rego fees for big polluting cars, Insurance fees to go up on these vehicles and green levies applied while we try and make our Kyoto targets. The new Hoon laws and burnout laws are already making owners of such "hoonmobiles" pariahs of society

I reckon the game is up, no longer is it about 400m times or 0-100kph it's all about L/100km and grams of CO2 / kilometre! :spew:

What rational person would buy a V8 in this climate?:confused:

How much do you want for the GTO ????
:eyes::eyes::eyes:

[theVman]

I will pay another $50 a week in fuel if i have to. If it goes up more maybe it will be worht paying rego on a more economical car.

but i WILL NOT, EVER give up a V8. There are many other things i would cut back on first.
2 things in my life that i enjoy are big screen movies and V8 RWDs. They are my therapy and my escape from the world, and i will never ever ever give either of them up.

I kind of agree with you on all accounts there!!

Should fuel reach $2 a litre I would simply review my every day transport options. Public transport may actually become cheaper than driving to work for a change!!

You just cant beat that all the sounds, smells and feeling of a v8. Ive tried to go back but simply cant!!

[SEMPER FI]

Once you go V8, you don't go back !!:rofl:

[Wonky]

How much do you want for the GTO ????
:lol:

Everybody needs a hobby/vice to give them pleasure and keep them sane. This same argument has been coming up from time to time for 30+ years..... :( Yeah, sure, some people will get frightened off and sell their V8s, especially if they do mainly city driving where they do go through a lot of petrol but hell, I'm keeping mine!! It's my only real vice and is at the stage where I've only got one or two more mods I'd like to do.

I only do about 1,000km per month and could cut back on that if necessary, just to keep the pleasure of driving it. Most of my mileage will soon be country type mileage so why would I take a huge hit on selling a V8 if petrol hit $2 per litre or more just to save, what, $20 per week in petrol? Maybe I'll sell mine and buy a nice VE Senator instead that someone sells ridiculously cheap through panic??? :D

[BigFella]

oh goodie here comes more 4cyl sales! hehehe

if i had an 8 id still drive it. if u cant afford to run a V8 u shouldnt even look at one!

Good V8 sales will be around for a while yet!

[ryno]

What rational person would buy a V8 in this climate?:confused:

Me :)

Basically you just have to work out what is important to you and if you want to spend that money on a car over something else.

The cost of having children is always on the increase, doesn't mean people shouldn't have kids or adopt them out when you start running out of cash..

[EXCESSV]

you couldnt pry my v8 from my dead hands.
will NEVER give it up, its my therapy its something i love and enjoy.

i can think of many things to cut back on before i cut back on my car.
for the next 2years its still in a novated lease from work so fuel, etc isnt an issue and even after that i will still keep it

ppl that love there V8s will always have one no matter the fuel price...
there will be a swing with less v8s being bought as the fuel goes up but thats just the ppl that arent as passionate as most V8 drivers walking away from our rwd high powered muscle cars.

LONG LIVE THE V8 :bow::bow::bow:

[CSP]

I own two cars...

Modified 2006 Holden VE Calais - V6 (tuned to run 98RON or better)

Modified 1970 HG Holden Premier - V8

I love both of them and wouldn't sacrifice the smile on my face for savings in the pocket any day! I can easily ride my bike to work on nice sunny days and even when I do drive, I am reimbursed my parking expenses by my employer and I live 8km from my work.

I think you'll find the OP's argument works for "mainstream society" but on a forum such as this (or any car enthusiast forum) people consider fuel economy at the bottom of their list of priorities when buying and running a car.

If this were not the case, the newly released Hummers would still be sitting on the lot rather than dempand in the first quarter being 4 times what was predicted!

[LSX-438]

All rational points Carby.

However talking incremental cost, it's still always going to be a relative argument, depending on each household budget. An extra $50 a week might be very important to some whereas others aren't going to miss it whatsoever. Thank god for fleetcard!

[Idiocyxplained]

i agree the v8 is a pleasure and a passion pry mine from my dead body too....

oh and guess that gto of yours is gonna be going real cheap as no one will wanna buy one!!!!

[KeenGolfer]

fuel goes up and down all the time, if u goin to fret everytime oil spikes then u shouldnt have a v8 in the first place

True. I remember selling my VN V8 when petrol spiked during the Gulf War. Then petrol prices came back down and off to buy another V8. Although I earn quite a bit more now than I did then, so won't do that again in a hurry.

[BradSV8]

I own my car too, so I see no reason to sell it. If fuel goes up too much it will only get driven on weekends. I would rather do that than go back to a 4cyl that I know I will hate driving...........unless it has 2 wheels:)


Brad

[NZSHAKER]

Dont worry fuel in NZ is around $1.69 ltr so we got a bit to go b4 the old V8 gets shafted for a ummmmmm what would I buy

[smokiebbear]

as ralph wigam said in a simpsons episode where he played the president of the USA ..................... NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

No way will i ever defect the v8 camp, I couldn't care if petrol was $5 per litre. The thrill of driving a v8 is worth every cent:D

[SCiFiRE]

I own two cars...

Modified 2006 Holden VE Calais - V6 (tuned to run 98RON or better)

Modified 1970 HG Holden Premier - V8


Off topic, but I have the same two cars as you. how wierd is that? (Astra is the GFs)
What colors are they? not evoke and brown? lol


On topic,
Its not as big a deal; for some of us either, Newer cars are so much better on fuel than older ones. Some Current V8s probably only drink as much as an old VL or VN V6 really. (unless your mashing the throttle!)

[GHZ28]

Once you go V8, you don't go back !!:rofl:

Litre or bigger motorbike comes close though.

I have the litre bike to fall back on when the three V8s get too expensive to run.

gh

[lingo398]

Wouldn't go back to a 4cyl if you paid me!

[Mungrel]

fuel goes up and down all the time, if u goin to fret everytime oil spikes then u shouldnt have a v8 in the first place

I hear ya.
Running costs of a v8 are always going to be more than that of a v6 or 4 banger.
more spark plugs, more leads, more oil more everything (just about)
IMO the benefits (sound, power etc) outweigh the current downsides.

[diggo]

I can't believe I'm reading this thread on a car enthusiast forum :sleep:

[Smitty]

What rational person would buy a V8 in this climate?:confused:

imho..car ownership is nothing about being rational

me...?
grunt power noise image brand
are reasons I own a cupla V8s :)


Litre or bigger motorbike comes close though.

I have the litre bike to fall back on when the three V8s get too expensive to run.

gh

I ride a 1200cc 300kmh sportsbike


coz i wanna......

[redvxr8clubby]

I think people who are buying new V8's have a bit more cash available than those buying smaller. A Wheels or Motor article earlier this pointed the total costs of buying a new car, most of your money goes in depreciation and interest, you then have servicing, insurance, rego etc. So fuel isn't the biggest cost of buying such a car - if you want to save money overall, yes buy smaller, but the biggest savings will come from lower purhase price and also hence interest, combined with probable better resale value, fuel saving is icing on the cake. It's just that fuel cost is in your face every week.
The article gave an examples along the lines of this - say someone buys a VY Commodore 3 years ago for say $35K - trade in say half new price. Another buyer bought say a Pulsar/ Corolla say $20K maybe now trades at say 60% new value. So Commodore owner gets say $17K (if he's lucky), while Pulsar may be $12K. Consider interst on $35K purchase as opposed to interest on $20K purchase, combined with say a $10K more depreciation the Commodore/ Falcon/ 380 buyer takes a bit hit over say 3 years long before the difference in fuel is factored in.
I do wonder however say someone who buys say a Commodore Lumina say at $33K and someone who buys a Mazda 6 or Accord Euro say at similar price - the Mazda 6 needs premium fuel, I not sure probably Honda the same. What is the real world fuel saving - would it be say 2 litres per 100Km. If say you do 24K per year thats 500 Km a week - 10 litres extra fuel (91 RON v 98 RON. Say @$1.50/ litre that's $15 more for Commadore then consider premium versus standard for say 50 litres of fuel for the Mazda/ Accord maybe the difference is $10/ per week - maybe a V8 would be $25/ week more than an Accord or 6?
More significant savings would be buying a $20K ish car which would be a bit lighter on outlay/ interest/ fuel again. I think like a low end Mazda 3 makes a lot of practical sense. But I would find it hard to sell my VX Clubsport R8 for one. Even my 97 VS Exec (130K on the clock still drives well, is comfortable on a trip to Qld from Sydney, I would hate to spend say $25K on a new smallish car to save a bit of fuel, and then say find the seats aren't comfortable on a long trip, also less boot space etc.

[6.2L.Club]

I can't believe I'm reading this thread on a car enthusiast forum :sleep:

:lmao: :lmao:

true.......so very true

technology to make the mighty V8's more fuel effecient such as displacement on demand and direct injection has been around for years and what do local car producers do?? give us more cubes :lmao: can't wait til may for the mighty LS3 :drool:

[VXEXEC350]

no matter what they drive, the guys that work with me and live near me are spending similar money to me on fuel. A current astra, a VY 6 banga, a daggy old laser and my VZ 6L SS Thunder Ute.

[Angeldust]

in the end, no matter what the fuel price is, its only a saving off approx $25/week (current prices)over a large 4cyl.ie its only a difference of approx 12-15litres per tank.

its a loose-loose situation as you will still use x litres of fuel in a 4cyl unless all cars become 50% more fuel efficient(ie hybrids) and that will in turn just drive the price of fuel even higher (as company's need record profits each year to sustain investors expectations on returns etc)

[Danv8]

Sell my V8's?

No the Feck way!!!! :soap:

[Marco]

As I keep telling anyone who'll listen, if you want a V8 (or other performance car) and you don't have one already, go out today and buy one. Today. I mean it.

You'll thank me when in a few years petrol is $4-5 a litre and you can't afford to drive your V8 every day - but you'll have had those few good years when you could.

When that day comes, I will buy a big dust cover and park my V8 in the garage, but I will never sell it.

[Mungrel]

When that day comes, I will buy a big dust cover and park my V8 in the garage, but I will never sell it.

Truth be told, i'd do the same! haha, although id probably extend the house and make a special room for it :lol:

[A^K^T]

coz i wanna......

What more of a reason do you need :)

I was going to do the sensible thing and get a buzz box to do the work and back duties then went for a test drive in a V6 rodeo and walked out of the Holden dealer signed up for an LS1 powered one tonner .

[swingtan]

Here's my view....

I have a family and we like to go places together, is some amount of comfort. Sure I only have the 2 kids, 8 and 12 so they need some space. We also go on holidays every year to Eden, 1400km round trip and stay at a caravan park in a tent. We simply can't do this in a "small" car as there is not enough room. So we are limited to a large sized car unless we stop our holidays and limit our trips.

Now we can go for a 6cyl version because everyone knows that if you have less cylinders, you burn less fuel...... WRONG. I currently get between 14.5 and 16.5 lt/100km around town. At the moment I have 10km of road works dropping my average speed to 35kmh and still get the figures above. I also know quite a few 6cyl commodores that are getting the same or worse economy.

Sure a little 4cyl run about will get better economy and a hybrid even better, but will it tow my 700 to 800 KG trailer 1400km at 100khm in the summer heat with the air conditioner going? Will I need to arrange a bigger trailer because I can't fit as much in the boot? Fuel economy is not the be all and end all for any particular car. Who cares if you get 5lt/100km if the car simply doesn't fit all your needs? My car is not just how I get to work, it's the weekend taxi, the family trip vehicle, the holiday transport, a hobby and much more.

If I really got worried about fuel usage I's probably ride a bike to work and keep the V8.

[Speedy Gonzales]

It doesnt matter what price fuel is, history has shown that people will buy performance cars irrespective of cost to run or maintain.

Personally, I cant wait till someone comes up with a way to run these motors on Mr Fusion.

[YCV8]

I just got my electricity bill. Funny how it seems to have at least doubled over the past few years and I'm sure it will continue to go up. I suppose by the same thinking then I better get the candles out, trade in the 130cm TV for a 34cm, turn the beer fridge up to 'luke warm' and stop typing on this forum.

:)

I'll be keeping my V8. The kids might not eat as well but hey everyone has to make a sacrifice for my greater good. :jester: Just kidding.

[MTC]

Sell the V8 Hell No. there My toy's & I love them & i need all Four of them I do I just do:jester: 32 Cylinders of fun:smilesandbanana:

[Smokin SS]

I'm with everyone else here. Driving/modifying my ute is a hobby and gives me a buzz everytime I drive it. I will go without other things (including alcohol) to be able to afford it. When you consider that you can pay over $40 for a carton, why not put that into fuel instead? My body will thank me for it.

[scoot1]

I'll be keeping my V8. The kids might not eat as well but hey everyone has to make a sacrifice for my greater good. :jester: Just kidding.

That's a beauty! Same here, I'm sure there are a few things that i could do without, maybe I can get the ute to run on homebrew!

[RATTLER]

Carby,

I understand your views as I donate to help plant trees to tackle green house effects and also give more than my fair share to Greenpeace..... but mate, I wouldn't and won't care when petrol is $5per litre!! V8's arent a hobby or a past time...... they're a way of life; the smell of gas/methanol/burning rubber/lumpy cams/blowers and the pleasure and thrill of unleashing power through that right foot with a donk full of grunt.......... I'm sorry, but nothing really surpasses that feeling!

Give up the V8...... fat chance mate!! :flip3:

[BullockBob]

Rice (or wheat) powered V8's will be here soon.

No need to panic dudes.

:xmas:

[smokin joe]

yeah got to agree , time to buy a twin turbo diesel v8 toyota.

[PBoB]

I think Carby hit a nerve when he asked if we will sell our V8's!

I'll just get a job closer to home or public transport before I kiss my baby goodbye!

[OPPYLOCK]

Anyone else see the irony in this thread being started by someone with the username CARBY?

[Grommz]

ive had my new ss almost a month and havent even cracked 1000ks yet..

so yeah ill be keeping it. lol

:D :D

[Curtis-R]

Enuff said..


Aussie V8s still rate


Sales figures for Holden and Ford V8s have risen over the past decade.

Aussies still love V8s. Rising fuel prices have slashed demand for homegrown Australian sixes and put the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore under the toughest showroom pressure for more than 15 years, but has had a surprisingly mild effect on support for V8s.

New figures from GM Holden show V8 sales have risen significantly in the past 10 years. The number of Commodore buyers chosing a V8 ahead of a V6 also rose significantly.

And V8s are a serious choice for private buyers.

“The V8 mix is fantastic,” says GM Holden executive director of sales and marketing Alan Batey. “It's amazing. HSV has had record sales. There are hardcore people in this country who like exciting cars and fuel price on its own will not discourage them.”

Batey says showroom results this year have been positive for Commodore. GM Holden finally moved ahead of its overall 2006 score for the first time in April as customers came back to its family flagship.

Overall Commodore sales were 928 better in April 2007 than for the same month in 2006.

Looking back 10 years, GM Holden says its percentage of V8 sales has more than doubled. They dipped between 2000 and 2005 but demand recovered quickly with the introduction of the latest 5.7 V8.

“People still want performance cars,” Batey says.


The number of V8 engines sold in 1996 was just over 4000 and increased to 7400 in 2006. The percentage of V8 sales was 5 per cent in 1995, 12 per cent in 2001 and peaked at 13 per cent last year.

“The petrol crisis started in 2005 and by '06 was really biting. Yet that's when V8 sales were really strong,” GM Holden spokesman John Lindsay says.

Batey says the VE Commodore is now kicking into high gear and he is confident the car is through the worst.

“We're really happy with Commodore,” he says.

“If you look at its share of segment, we've had a better launch than we had with the VT a decade ago if you consider all the dimensions. We have more V8s than we've ever had, more higher-end models than ever. We're building our car park. We're starting to see more of them on the road.

“From a Holden perspective, the Commodore is still clearly the best-selling car in the country. It's not the demise of large cars but it's also not domination. There are people who want large cars, and want V8s and sport performance.”

amen..

:)

[Smokin SS]

Perhaps the sales figures of the V8's reflect their economy on highway driving these days. Far better now than what they were years ago.

[chrism697]

Sorry. I'd have to disagree. By the time you go out and buy another smaller car for say a few grand, then add your running costs, rego etc, it would out way the extra cost of running your V8. Remember, the cost of fuel also goes up for your Getz, excel, lancer or whatever.
i agree......if you buy a little shitter, lets say you spend $3,000 on it, and you might save $40 a week on fuel. it will take about 18 months to get that 3k.....but then on top of that you need to spend double on rego, plus insurance on an extra car etc etc so after 2 years maybe youd be even and start to benefit from the deal, but the downside is your spending most of your time driving a shitbox, when you have a great car sitting in the garage.......

id rather enjoy my good car every day

but that is just my opinion

[chrism697]

true but they use about half the amount of fuel. trust me getz owners dont monitor the price of oil.

also factor in the less wear and tear on each car as you are using both less and and your home n hosed.

V8 = $100+ fuel per week

Hyundai = $50 max per week

Use V8 and Hyundai 50/50 so

V8 = $100 X 26 weeks (half year) = $2600
Hyundai = $50 X 26 weeks = $1300 total $$3900

VS V8 Only

V8 = $100 X 52 weeks = $5200

theres $1300 per year, covers the running costs of the other car. Not to mention the less running costs of the V8 as your driving it less, less oil changes, less service costs, less damage repairs. Also what if you drive the V8 a little less and the hyundai a little more = more money saving again.

With Kyoto this difference will increase.

I know what your thinkin, what about the cost of the little car? Well if your driving the V8 less than its in better condition and worth more than if you run it into the ground so theres your money back. Plus one day you can sell the little car to get some money back... win win
exactly my point......1,300 per year.....how much does a getz cost

also you have to pay rego twice, plus insurance twice (although i guess only 3rd party on the getz)

plus depreciation on 2 cars (which granted with less km's it will be less than normal for each car, but it will still be more in total)

i think it will be well over 2 years before you break even.....to me thats not worth driving around in a car i hate for 2 or 3 years

if fuel and running costs were that much of a concern to me id buy a nice smaller car to start with

but i see how it can work for some people, but i think it wouldnt be a good option for most

[XR6T GEN]

You wont hate driving a Getz. I love it as much as the XR6T, different driving experience, find a park everywhere, cops dont wanna know you, noone wants to race, when you watch a movie in the cinema, your not doing so whilst someone is hacking off your rims, quirky performance.

when someone takes your wheels or damages your pride, then it will all be worth it. People just dont care in a carpark, reverse into you etc.

[Carby]

Well It was good to let this run a while before commenting - great passion out there (should keep this Ford/Holden V8 supercar thing going for a while) but realistically a lot of you guys are in DENIAL.

Like many of you I may just use the GTO for weekends and have a work daily driver to take care of the mundane duties - normally I'd go 6 or V8 but not in this environment.

And just to emphasise how seriously things are being taken, I believe that Holden has lost the Woolworths contract - Golf Diesels and some other more fuel efficient cars have got the nod.
:bawl:

[markone2]

exactly my point......1,300 per year.....how much does a getz cost

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Only problem with the Getz is its unloved status in used car land...I've been paying 6K for 06 models under 50,000K :confused:....not even our beloved Commodores drop in excess of 50% from new in 12 months.....and last time I looked 7K odd buys a heap of BP98 :)

Don't mind the 2nd car idea though..makes sense to me as I can keep the SV8 and 6L ute parked away undercover for weekend use while tottering around town in the Statesman or VY Calais.....or even the nice blue Berlina..dependant upon my mood of the day...........

[XR6T GEN]

to get a second car, has to be a material saving running cost wise. the getz does it for me.

if you can get me an 06 getz under 50,000km for $6K, ill give you and extra thousand for your time.

[Luke_]

I have a 2nd car to drive around in for the reason of loss mainly because the modifications I have carried out have reached the maximum 'agreed value' of my insurance company and the mods are worth more than what I will get if something happens and it dissapears.

Plus it's fun from going from the shitter to the nice car on the weekends. One car uses 20l/100km and the other 10l/100km :)

[jrckelley]

No - its Time to Buy Now!!!!!!!!!

As you say fuel Prices keep going up so you will "soon" never have the chance to buy and run a big V8. So buy one now and enjoy it. in 20 years time, you will look back and remember fondly the days of driving a conventional manual 6ltr 400hp V8 up the putty road. (and if you dont you will be asking yourself why you didn't get one -just because it would cost you 20% more in fuel so you bought a camery -doh.

[XR6T GEN]

No - its Time to Buy Now!!!!!!!!!

As you say fuel Prices keep going up so you will "soon" never have the chance to buy and run a big V8. So buy one now and enjoy it. in 20 years time, you will look back and remember fondly the days of driving a conventional manual 6ltr 400hp V8 up the putty road. (and if you dont you will be asking yourself why you didn't get one -just because it would cost you 20% more in fuel so you bought a camery -doh.

Or in 20 years time you will laugh at the old V8s like you do now. In 20 years time, the camry will bolt away from the current E-series HSV. Look back a the Brock VC, a camry today would eat it alive

[PBoB]

Or in 20 years time you will laugh at the old V8s like you do now. In 20 years time, the camry will bolt away from the current E-series HSV. Look back a the Brock VC, a camry today would eat it alive

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread now because the more of your posts I read the :vpo: I get at the stupid things you say.

And I don't wanna get banned from this forum for sayin somethin I regret.

I've had my input on this subject, now it's goodbye XR6T GEN.

[G4mbl3r]

ive got a leasecar and a fuelcard... im not too concerned about fuel costs.

its like everything else atm... prices going up on everything and wages staying the same..

[smokin joe]

Well It was good to let this run a while before commenting - great passion out there (should keep this Ford/Holden V8 supercar thing going for a while) but realistically a lot of you guys are in DENIAL.

Like many of you I may just use the GTO for weekends and have a work daily driver to take care of the mundane duties - normally I'd go 6 or V8 but not in this environment.

And just to emphasise how seriously things are being taken, I believe that Holden has lost the Woolworths contract - Golf Diesels and some other more fuel efficient cars have got the nod.
:bawl:
You gotta take it easy on the weed man.

[Mungrel]

Or in 20 years time you will laugh at the old V8s like you do now. In 20 years time, the camry will bolt away from the current E-series HSV. Look back a the Brock VC, a camry today would eat it alive

That would be called technology... or spelled phonetically Tek-nol-o-jee :jester:

[G4mbl3r]

i know which car id rather.... !:rofl:

[GODSMACK]

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread now because the more of your posts I read the :vpo: I get at the stupid things you say.

And I don't wanna get banned from this forum for sayin somethin I regret.

I've had my input on this subject, now it's goodbye XR6T GEN. U'd think it would be easier for mods to give this wanker a holiday, so he can reconsider the crap he posts here, instead they insist on closing topics and deleting posts, in turn he continues to ruin this forum...

[fleety77]

Or in 20 years time you will laugh at the old V8s like you do now. In 20 years time, the camry will bolt away from the current E-series HSV. Look back a the Brock VC, a camry today would eat it alive

dude you will never understand NO ONE here laughs at old v8's, yeah they dont have the power output of todays cars but it goes beyond that. someone like you with there pants down around there ankles will never understand..............can u kindly stop posting all together

try google search ford forum

[XR6T GEN]

U'd think it would be easier for mods to give this wanker a holiday, so he can reconsider the crap he posts here, instead they insist on closing topics and deleting posts, in turn he continues to ruin this forum...

Hey read my comment in light of the forum topic. I said that in 20 years time a camry would probably outrun a current e series HSV. Like a camry today outruns a Brock VC. That is most probably a true statement.

Why do you get offended? The idea of this thread was that due to climate issues the V8 is under threat.

Why post your garbage which is always directed at me.

[Carby]

You gotta take it easy on the weed man.

And just what has this dopey comment contributed - someones smokin it and it ain't me Smokin Joe...........

[markone2]

to get a second car, has to be a material saving running cost wise. the getz does it for me.

if you can get me an 06 getz under 50,000km for $6K, ill give you and extra thousand for your time.

Not enough.......I don't give them away

[XR6T GEN]

so you can get a Getz for $6k but noone else can? Well we cant define you as the market then. I know getz are worth a fair bit more than you say.

My answer to this problem is not to scrap V8's but to get a second vehicle to mitigate the extra costs of driving the V8. Just drive the V8 part time. there are pros and cons but this is an alternative.

[markone2]

so you can get a Getz for $6k but noone else can? Well we cant define you as the market then. I know getz are worth a fair bit more than you say.

.


You might be getting a bit out of your league here.....theres more than a couple of forum members here who know full well where I'm buying these cars from at *true* market value .....

[TimVYSS]

You might be getting a bit out of your league here.....theres more than a couple of forum members here who know full well where I'm buying these cars from at *true* market value .....

Would i qualify as one of them Mark? :bow:

Thanks for your help!

Cheers

Tim

[markone2]

Thanks for your help!


Tim



Your Welcome.....:cheers:.........

Perhaps you could explain to XR6T GEN the difference between asking price and actual sale price in what is a buyers market :)

[fleety77]

Hey read my comment in light of the forum topic. I said that in 20 years time a camry would probably outrun a current e series HSV. Like a camry today outruns a Brock VC. That is most probably a true statement.

Why do you get offended? The idea of this thread was that due to climate issues the V8 is under threat.

Why post your garbage which is always directed at me.

just go back and read your own comment properly, remember :soap: this is a holden forum carful what u say, theres some degree of PASSION here, and i dont need u to tell me that old v8s are laughed upon ( whos laughing?? ) id take any old holden over an xr6t and no one here cares that you got a history degree and know that todays cars are faster..........:xmas:

Please do not ever compare a camry and a brock again

[XR6T GEN]

[QUOTE=fleety77;1087931]just go back and read your own comment properly, remember :soap: this is a holden forum carful what u say, theres some degree of PASSION here, and i dont need u to tell me that old v8s are laughed upon ( whos laughing?? ) id take any old holden over an xr6t and no one here cares that you got a history degree and know that todays cars are faster..........:xmas:

But come on the old V8's arnt the best, waste fuel, stink, run 17's down the quarter mile, no top end. I only say this when benchmarking them against todays cars.


If someone pulled up outside the pub in a clean 1977 statesman deville 5.0V8, got out, winked at you and said "V8 mate"... wouldnt you laugh? Even the car parked next to him, the VW GOLF would run away from him.

Or if the same guy was in a conversation with a guy who owned a VE SS and talked about how good a V8 goes. Come on what would he know in the Deville.

[Ryzz]

[QUOTE=fleety77;1087931]just go back and read your own comment properly, remember :soap: this is a holden forum carful what u say, theres some degree of PASSION here, and i dont need u to tell me that old v8s are laughed upon ( whos laughing?? ) id take any old holden over an xr6t and no one here cares that you got a history degree and know that todays cars are faster..........:xmas:

But come on the old V8's arnt the best, waste fuel, stink, run 17's down the quarter mile, no top end. I only say this when benchmarking them against todays cars.


If someone pulled up outside the pub in a clean 1977 statesman deville 5.0V8, got out, winked at you and said "V8 mate"... wouldnt you laugh? Even the car parked next to him, the VW GOLF would run away from him.

Or if the same guy was in a conversation with a guy who owned a VE SS and talked about how good a V8 goes. Come on what would he know in the Deville.

Last warning mate, get on topic or have a weeks holiday. :vpo:

[fleety77]

what a noob comment................:rofl: :confused:

No respect

[smokin joe]

And just what has this dopey comment contributed - someones smokin it and it ain't me Smokin Joe...........

yeah too right , reality is for people who cant handle drugs.

[fleety77]

lol back on topic no matter what i would never sell me v8 in fact i want to buy another one !!!!

[vessloveit]

I can remeber when fuel was 50cents a gallon (yes I am an old bugger) this was when I owned a HQ 308, it was said that fuel was going to go to $1:00 a gallon, I said F^#*k I will buy a pushbike, fuel did go to $1:00 later on in year, guess what I did not buy a bike, and I am now driving the third V8.

As most have said on here once you have a V8 you won't go back.

[Smitty]

I can remeber when fuel was 50cents a gallon (yes I am an old bugger) this was when I owned a HQ 308, it was said that fuel was going to go to $1:00 a gallon, I said F^#*k I will buy a pushbike, fuel did go to $1:00 later on in year, guess what I did not buy a bike, and I am now driving the third V8.

As most have said on here once you have a V8 you won't go back.

petrol was 20c a gallon when i got my licence....... :bow:

[Wonky]

petrol was 20c a gallon when i got my licence....... :bow:
You've got a good memory Smitty! I'm 53 and the earliest I can remember is about 12c per litre (I think....maybe I've got old-timers:confused:). That's why I said in an earlier post that I've now been through the "sell your V8s" panic (by others) more times than I care to remember. My L98 and previous LS1s have been faaaaaaar more economical than the XF 4.1 litre straight six I had for a while.

[CS1234]

I would rather get kicked in the nuts then sell my V8.


Also,can someone tell this guy to shut up, I would drive a Vk brock or HT GTS 350 any day.....


Hey read my comment in light of the forum topic. I said that in 20 years time a camry would probably outrun a current e series HSV. Like a camry today outruns a Brock VC. That is most probably a true statement.

Why do you get offended? The idea of this thread was that due to climate issues the V8 is under threat.

Why post your garbage which is always directed at me.

[FatBoy]

Yep, i'll sell my 5.7 ltr V8 if prices hit $2 a litre. Then i'll replace it with a new discounted 6 ltr HSV... :)

I've actually been looking to buy a reasonably late model - ie 2001 to 2004 - 2.7 Hilux ute to tow my boat so i don't have to leave the SS at boat ramps overnight when i'm out fishing. Higher fuel prices would be a great excuse, and then i could even get rid of the box trailer that sits here and rarely gets used. Hopefully my girlfriend buys my excuses... :nyuk:

[XR6T GEN]

Ive owned 3 V8's and I now own a turbo 6. Just different not better or worse. But down the track if the Aurion Supercharged V6 gets wind or if Holden releases a turbo V6, half the V8 owners will jump ship.

For a while (pre LS1) the V8s really lost their way for a while, the old 5.0V8 ford and holden were getting whipped by WRX, 200sx, supercharged V6. Even Holden released a SS Supercharged V6 as it was quicker than the 8. The coppers couldnt catch the WRX's. The LS1 finally brought the V8's respect back, hopefully the other guys dont come back and make the LS1 look bad like they did the old V8's. Look at XR6T, Typhoon, Aurion V6, Liberty GT, WRX, GOLF GTi, all worthy contenders and worth your consideration especially in times where fuel is putting the squeeze on you

[Smokin SS]

There is no way in hell i'll ever jump ship to buy a Toyota Aurion whether it be supercharged or not. It's just not quite the same around a track or up the strip if you know what I mean.

Plus it's not an 8.

[XR6T GEN]

Quick is quick. Quick can be different too. For example, theres no way to hide a quick LS1, you can hear em a mile away. You can hide a Powerful XR6T, sounds stock, drives quietly, give it a bootful and its a different animal.

When I used to start my cammed LS1, the whole street used to come outside thinking there was some helipcopter action. People were probably ringing the cops saying someones driving dangerously when it was just idling on my driveway.

Its just different, each to their own? I think the point is, you can get the same speed or more just differently and sidestepping the issues such as climate change, petrol prices and education revolution

[BUILT]

What rational person would buy a V8 in this climate?:confused:

I must be nowhere near rational then lol. Just bought myself another V8, this time a 355 stroker, costs me $100 min to fill up and I would be lucky to get 300km's to a tank, and boy do I LOVE IT!

[Luke_]

People were probably ringing the cops saying someones driving dangerously when it was just idling on my driveway.

lol...


You can hide a quick LS1, you don't need a huge cam and super-loud exhaust to make an 11sec LS1.

[Mungrel]

Quick is quick. Quick can be different too. For example, theres no way to hide a quick LS1, you can hear em a mile away. You can hide a Powerful XR6T, sounds stock, drives quietly, give it a bootful and its a different animal.

When I used to start my cammed LS1, the whole street used to come outside thinking there was some helipcopter action. People were probably ringing the cops saying someones driving dangerously when it was just idling on my driveway.

Its just different, each to their own? I think the point is, you can get the same speed or more just differently and sidestepping the issues such as climate change, petrol prices and education revolution

you really are on crack aren't you?
Theres more than one way to making a fast LS1 and a discrete LS1.
Cammed with big exhausts are not the only way young Skywalker...

[XR6T GEN]

Well How? then. Supercharge? with stock exhaust?

[Mungrel]

Not all aftermarket exhausts are loud, fruitcake...

I usually avoid personal insults, but you are just so frustrating and one eyed!

BTW mine comes in at 90db which is the state limit and technically not loud ;)

[ShanghaiVZ]

If you live 5mins from work, sorry guys the V8 is not the answer! that's where the shitty buzzbox comes into play, you will do more damage to your V8 then you ever will the motor hasn't even reach operating temp, in this case the 4pot wins (during the week of course :D) weekends I guess is a different story? If you can afford both, use the shitty workhack and save the V8 for the weekends! Problem solved! :D

[XR6T GEN]

If you live 5mins from work, sorry guys the V8 is not the answer! that's where the shitty buzzbox comes into play, you will do more damage to your V8 then you ever will the motor hasn't even reach operating temp, in this case the 4pot wins (during the week of course :D) weekends I guess is a different story? If you can afford both, use the shitty workhack and save the V8 for the weekends! Problem solved! :D

Your forgetting something. these guys arnt rational and dont give a hoot about their cars. they park em anywhere, dont car if someone reverses into them or a supermarket trolley whacks into them. They said so in another thread, "gotta drive the car, whats the point of having it". Would they care if there motor blows up??? think not or they wouldnt use the $3.95 freeway motor oil as well.

[ausiemale]

Your forgetting something. these guys arnt rational and dont give a hoot about their cars. they park em anywhere, dont car if someone reverses into them or a supermarket trolley whacks into them. They said so in another thread, "gotta drive the car, whats the point of having it". Would they care if there motor blows up??? think not or they wouldnt use the $3.95 freeway motor oil as well.

You're a weird dude, dude. :confused:

[ti0350]

Your forgetting something. these guys arnt rational and dont give a hoot about their cars. they park em anywhere, dont car if someone reverses into them or a supermarket trolley whacks into them. They said so in another thread, "gotta drive the car, whats the point of having it". Would they care if there motor blows up??? think not or they wouldnt use the $3.95 freeway motor oil as well.

I care alot about my car, but I drive it everywhere and park it where I like to park it..
Sure if somebody banged into me I'd me pissed for a little bit but it will get fixed thats what I pay my insurance for...
I dont think you would find anyobdy using cheap oil their cars in this forum..
"Gotta drive the car, whats the point of having it", bloody oath if you want to buy a car to look at and not drive I hear biante makes some good ones..

[BLAQSSHEV]

Ok when I first got my V8 premium petrol was about 1.20-1.25 p/l now it is about 1.50p/l filling the tank cost me about $10-20 more each fill. About the cost of a pack of cigarettes. If the people that owned 8's on this forum gave ashit about fuel prices they wouldnt of got a V8 to begin with even 5 years ago wages were less and so was fuel so it is all kinda relative.
I still drive past the standard and premium unleaded bousers to get to the 98 even move on to the next service station if necessary and I aint exactly loaded.. My 2c

[VTSSDUDE]

Well I ain't hoping to sell my V8, unless I get married or something. But until then I am going to fight to keep it.
Bugger the climate change, the human race won't be around to see the so called side affects from it anyway. No matter what we do, this so called global warming is going to happen, it just might happen slower if we look after the place. Or we may make it worse, humans can't control Mother Nature, playing with fire me thinks.

[sspenno]

yeah, well here's my angle on it all - i scored myself an '05 50cc scooter with 200km's on it for a grand. that's right.......a grand. it uses minimal fuel, takes up minimal space and gets the basic commuting like goin' to work and stuff done easy as you'd like. the hulking V8 stays home in the garage but comes out to PLAY on the weekend. i'd never be without a V8 and say keep the hammer down boys 'cos we're an elite bunch!!

[Boom]

really couldnt be bothered about the cost of fuel
its one of the cheaper expenses in life

[LSavvy]

Edit, forget what i said.

[HSV271]

Ok people... let's put this into just a little bit of perspective.

UK=£1.01($2.35) /Ltr
Netherland=€1.470($2.46) /Ltr
Germany=€1.375($2.31) /Ltr

And I was in Europe when it hit €1.966 in Amsterdam(that's $3.31/Ltr) :shock:

So @ $1.45 that we are paying for petrol is nothing... so I think I will keep my beautiful V8 for the moment.

[Mungrel]

Ok people... let's put this into just a little bit of perspective.

UK=£1.01($2.35) /Ltr
Netherland=€1.470($2.46) /Ltr
Germany=€1.375($2.31) /Ltr

And I was in Europe when it hit €1.966 in Amsterdam(that's $3.31/Ltr) :shock:

So @ $1.45 that we are paying for petrol is nothing... so I think I will keep my beautiful V8 for the moment.

:confused: that certainly puts it into perspective!
I rarely look at the bowser anyways. Its premium, i need it, i'll pay for it.
Its that simple.

[Super_Matt]

im with you mungrel.


My V8 aint going anywhere, its more of a case GTS or clubsport next...
hmmm decisions...

[Smitty]

Ok people... let's put this into just a little bit of perspective.

UK=£1.01($2.35) /Ltr
Netherland=€1.470($2.46) /Ltr
Germany=€1.375($2.31) /Ltr

And I was in Europe when it hit €1.966 in Amsterdam(that's $3.31/Ltr) :shock:

So @ $1.45 that we are paying for petrol is nothing... so I think I will keep my beautiful V8 for the moment.

I was in Turkey last year
At Chanak (aka Canakale), premium (98) was €2.40 a litre :vpo:

thats about $4 aussie a litre :eyes:

[crYnOid]

The price of oil per barrell as of 2 weeks ago was USD90.87, in January of this year it was USD 50.17, thats an increase of over 81% in less than 1 year. While we have suffered from higher petrol prices we have been cushioned by the weak US dollar which is about 89cents to our dollar, traditonally it has been about 65 cents to our dollar. If the US dollar recovers, then we are in for a very torrid time fuel wise. If petrol gets to $2 a litre (easy to imagine) that means $40 /week more in fuel for me , $130 to fill the tank, and that will make the decision for the next type of car very easy.

[snip..]

The US dollar will not recover with the way the US is spending. The US is addicted to spending and being 'the world police' is costing them a fortune so they are borrowing money like there is no tomorrow (mostly from China!!).

Unfortunately for the US they can't raise taxes as that would be political suicide for whoever did (politicians like to stay in office for some reason...). They are dropping interest rates to keep the housing market alive which is exactly the wrong thing to do as it means they keep spending money they don't have.

The US is printing money as fast as they can, to just pay for interest(!!),which is devaluing the US dollar.

The biggest problems the US have are these.

china. China has been buying up US currency. If they want they could financially cripple the US by dumping the US currency they have on the world market (the US is China's biggest export market so something drastic would have to happen for them to dump it)
oil. The thing that is keeping the US dollar where it is, is demand. You need US dollars to buy oil. Because the US dollar has dropped the sellers of oil have upped the price so they get about the same value for a barrel as before. IF OPEC starts selling oil in euros the demand for the US currency will drop even more. Possible pushing the US into a recession.


The US has 'lived large at the party' and now has a never ending debt to show for it. Spending US$52 Billion a year on wars that have very little gain is financially stupid! It seems the US gov. thinks "we are the USA we're good for it! may I have some more...."

/rant

In short, if you adjust the cost of a barrel of oil, to take into account the change in US dollar, it really hasn't moved much. Supply and demand will control the (true) cost of oil, not the US currency.

[tim_k]

Ok people... let's put this into just a little bit of perspective.

UK=£1.01($2.35) /Ltr
Netherland=€1.470($2.46) /Ltr
Germany=€1.375($2.31) /Ltr

And I was in Europe when it hit €1.966 in Amsterdam(that's $3.31/Ltr) :shock:

So @ $1.45 that we are paying for petrol is nothing... so I think I will keep my beautiful V8 for the moment.

If you live in the UK earning Aussie dollars..............

I was in the UK about 10 years ago when petrol hit about 80p a litre. When I calculated what my English co-worker earned in pounds, versus my earnings is $AUS, there was little difference in the cost of a litre of petrol. I used petrol prices and the Big Mac index as a guide.

Example : My 1998 base Salary $AUS 48,000, Aust petrol around 80c/L
English Co-worker's base salary 40,000 pounds, UK Petrol 80p/L.

And the English co-worker got a better tax breaks

[forcedindction]

The US dollar will not recover with the way the US is spending. The US is addicted to spending and being 'the world police' is costing them a fortune so they are borrowing money like there is no tomorrow (mostly from China!!).

Unfortunately for the US they can't raise taxes as that would be political suicide for whoever did (politicians like to stay in office for some reason...). They are dropping interest rates to keep the housing market alive which is exactly the wrong thing to do as it means they keep spending money they don't have.

The US is printing money as fast as they can, to just pay for interest(!!),which is devaluing the US dollar.

The biggest problems the US have are these.

china. China has been buying up US currency. If they want they could financially cripple the US by dumping the US currency they have on the world market (the US is China's biggest export market so something drastic would have to happen for them to dump it)
oil. The thing that is keeping the US dollar where it is, is demand. You need US dollars to buy oil. Because the US dollar has dropped the sellers of oil have upped the price so they get about the same value for a barrel as before. IF OPEC starts selling oil in euros the demand for the US currency will drop even more. Possible pushing the US into a recession.


The US has 'lived large at the party' and now has a never ending debt to show for it. Spending US$52 Billion a year on wars that have very little gain is financially stupid! It seems the US gov. thinks "we are the USA we're good for it! may I have some more...."

/rant

In short, if you adjust the cost of a barrel of oil, to take into account the change in US dollar, it really hasn't moved much. Supply and demand will control the (true) cost of oil, not the US currency.

Top post !!!!!!!!!!! Someone with alot of sense on this forum (no offense to others) :)

Problem is also the issue of peak oil. No one knows, or at least the oil companies wont tell us ! When it does become apparent (2, 5 10 years +), oil prices will rocket, along with everything else.

People may not give up their V8s, but few will be able to drive them.

[redvxr8clubby]

petrol was 20c a gallon when i got my licence.......

Hey Smitty we are about the same age - my recollection is 44 to 48 cents per gallon around late 1971 or early '72, - I got my licence December 1971.

[AFAR]

I dont care. Not selling.
My brothers wrx isn't that much better on fuel than my SS.
And to be honest, getting around in an excel or something that doesn't drink fuel is not better than paying $40 extra a week on fuel.

[kompiler]

If you live 5mins from work, sorry guys the V8 is not the answer! that's where the shitty buzzbox comes into play, you will do more damage to your V8 then you ever will the motor hasn't even reach operating temp, in this case the 4pot wins (during the week of course :D) weekends I guess is a different story? If you can afford both, use the shitty workhack and save the V8 for the weekends! Problem solved! :D

Mazda 3 = Daily commute car
Mazda 6 = Family car
Clubsport = Weekend toy

The clubby never, and I mean NEVER, gets left unsupervised. It only comes out on weekends when the sky is sunny, weather forecast is clear and relative humidity is less than 40%. Ok, maybe not the last point but you get the picture.

The price of fuel doesn't have an impact on my V8 ownership. Since the vehicle is used relatively rarely I couldn't care less. I only fill it up once a month.

What would hurt is the rumored introduction of a gas guzzling tax. Keeping 3 cars on the road is already expensive enough. 3 comprehensive insurance, 3 roadside service, 3 registrations and green slips. Depending on how much it is, this would be more of a reason to sell the HSV.

Regards
Kompiler

[DALER]

Just buy a little cheap 4 cyl for week days and keep the V8 for weekends that will keep a smile on your face and something special to look forward to at the end of a hard week.

[OzJavelin]

If someone pulled up outside the pub in a clean 1977 statesman deville 5.0V8, got out, winked at you and said "V8 mate"... wouldnt you laugh? Even the car parked next to him, the VW GOLF would run away from him.

You are the type of person I just wish wouldn't bother owning a V8. You just don't get it. I doubt your childhood inclination was to V8 ownership .. you just probably followed the crowd into it. You think it's all about speed and it's not. Crank the wick up on your XR6T and it will outrun most V8s (modern or otherwise), but it will still be all revs and vacuum cleaner noises doing it. If you just want to go fast then buy a motorbike. How about just strapping of a few JATO engines to the XR?
Nothing will emulate the gutteral (spelling?) rumble of a V8, which is meanacing at idle .. even if it's a pussycat in the quarter. Personally I'd have more respect for the guy driving the Statey than a Johnny-come-lately who thinks he's top-dog in the latest whatever-mobile ...

[PBoB]

You are the type of person I just wish wouldn't bother owning a V8. You just don't get it. I doubt your childhood inclination was to V8 ownership .. you just probably followed the crowd into it. You think it's all about speed and it's not. Crank the wick up on your XR6T and it will outrun most V8s (modern or otherwise), but it will still be all revs and vacuum cleaner noises doing it. If you just want to go fast then buy a motorbike. How about just strapping of a few JATO engines to the XR?
Nothing will emulate the gutteral (spelling?) rumble of a V8, which is meanacing at idle .. even if it's a pussycat in the quarter. Personally I'd have more respect for the guy driving the Statey than a Johnny-come-lately who thinks he's top-dog in the latest whatever-mobile ...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

One word for you XR6T GEN: Heritage.

[BUILT]

You are the type of person I just wish wouldn't bother owning a V8. You just don't get it. I doubt your childhood inclination was to V8 ownership .. you just probably followed the crowd into it. You think it's all about speed and it's not. Crank the wick up on your XR6T and it will outrun most V8s (modern or otherwise), but it will still be all revs and vacuum cleaner noises doing it. If you just want to go fast then buy a motorbike. How about just strapping of a few JATO engines to the XR?
Nothing will emulate the gutteral (spelling?) rumble of a V8, which is meanacing at idle .. even if it's a pussycat in the quarter. Personally I'd have more respect for the guy driving the Statey than a Johnny-come-lately who thinks he's top-dog in the latest whatever-mobile ...

Correct. I love the sound of my angry 355, even if it is in a heavy ass statesman and doesnt run a 11 sec 1/4, the sheer awesome sound of a angry V8 is what its all about. Ive got quick jap imports and nothing compares to just cruising around listening to the engine and getting admiring looks (or looks of disbelief that I could be driving a angry V8 with fuel prices so high :confused: ). Sure my jap crap is quick, it handles well, parts are cheap, its easy to get big power out of, but time and time again I just love that sweet burble coming out of my HSV's exhaust.........

[Grommz]

cant afford to run one then dont f*cking buy one..

/thread.

[forcedindction]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

One word for you XR6T GEN: Heritage.

Ah yes. But heritage is all about how old you are and when you grew up. Just because you grew up in an era of bent eights, does not mean it is the only path. Opinions change. I'm sure the GT-R enthusiasts can claim a fair amount of Heritage too !!!

[Carby]

The US dollar will not recover with the way the US is spending. The US is addicted to spending and being 'the world police' is costing them a fortune so they are borrowing money like there is no tomorrow (mostly from China!!).

Unfortunately for the US they can't raise taxes as that would be political suicide for whoever did (politicians like to stay in office for some reason...). They are dropping interest rates to keep the housing market alive which is exactly the wrong thing to do as it means they keep spending money they don't have.

The US is printing money as fast as they can, to just pay for interest(!!),which is devaluing the US dollar.

The biggest problems the US have are these.

china. China has been buying up US currency. If they want they could financially cripple the US by dumping the US currency they have on the world market (the US is China's biggest export market so something drastic would have to happen for them to dump it)
oil. The thing that is keeping the US dollar where it is, is demand. You need US dollars to buy oil. Because the US dollar has dropped the sellers of oil have upped the price so they get about the same value for a barrel as before. IF OPEC starts selling oil in euros the demand for the US currency will drop even more. Possible pushing the US into a recession.


The US has 'lived large at the party' and now has a never ending debt to show for it. Spending US$52 Billion a year on wars that have very little gain is financially stupid! It seems the US gov. thinks "we are the USA we're good for it! may I have some more...."

/rant

In short, if you adjust the cost of a barrel of oil, to take into account the change in US dollar, it really hasn't moved much. Supply and demand will control the (true) cost of oil, not the US currency.


Some good points but you do not just print money for the sake of it - that is what South American and African countries did and turned into Banana republics.

I think this spike in the demand for oil is all about demand - especially Chinese demand, and if you read the Wheels report on world oil stocks all the oil has been found - we are either drilling for it or we can't get at it!

The reserves are heading south, there ain't no more and it doesn't make one iota of difference where the US dollars sits - demand is greater than supply and in that market the price of oil will only go up.

Just wait until the State Governments to wack the old carbon tax on our V8's and Turbo's, be interesting to see how many will pursue their passion under the pressure of Carbon taxes, increased petrol prices and probable higher Insurance costs than what we endure now.:bawl:

[Mungrel]

Just wait until the State Governments to wack the old carbon tax on our V8's and Turbo's, be interesting to see how many will pursue their passion under the pressure of Carbon taxes, increased petrol prices and probable higher Insurance costs than what we endure now.:bawl:

For me, when that happens (dependant on how much it is etc etc) i'll de-register the ute, buy a 4x4 tow vehicle with trailer, and turn the ute into a race car :)

One way or another, i will get my v8 fix :lol:

[PBoB]

For me, when that happens (dependant on how much it is etc etc) i'll de-register the ute, buy a 4x4 tow vehicle with trailer, and turn the ute into a race car :)

One way or another, i will get my v8 fix :lol:

:headbang: That's the best idea I've heard this year!! :headbang: :yahoo: :thumbsup: Mungrel!

[LTH-00L]

Carby, I really think you've posted this post on the wrong website. No one here will agree with you, myself included!!

As long as V8's are available, I'll buy them!

I have a VE Omega company car for the weekdays and shopping centres and use the Monaro when i can enjoy it. Not sitting in traffic!

[Cruzadr]

In all honesty I reckon everything balances out.

I used to be a 'heaps mad' 4 cyl milk bottle enthusiast which is meant to be better on fuel, but to get that rush I'd be flooring it everywhere and watching the fuel needle drop as fast as the speedo went up.
Now I get that same thrill just sitting at the lights idling the V8.
Anyways, I've wasted too much time, I'm going back to developing a reliable container for hydrogen I'll talk laterz when I'm ruling the world...muwahahahaha!!

[SS-355]

Quick is quick. Quick can be different too. For example, theres no way to hide a quick LS1, you can hear em a mile away.

AND i wouldn't have it any other way. Nothing better than a kick-ass cammed eight for presence and :flipoff: attitude. Even if petrol went to $5 a litre i would still take the ute for a squirt here and there because im passionate about my car.In the end it all comes down to ones priorities. LONG LIVE THE V8 i say.

[701let]

If people cared that much about fuel economy then everyone would be driving 1.3l Barinas.

[hsvLS1255]

i got into my mates mitsubishi magna vrx the other night... saw his fuel consumption and it was sitting on 14.0 l/100km.... got into my car and it was readin 14.6 l/100km.

made me feel good.

i dont smoke... dont go spending $200 a week on piss every saturday night and dont gamble... so i guess spending abit extra on fuel aint going to hurt.

i would be more worried about other things apart from fuel going up. if fuel gets too expensive just get public transport to work and take the car out for fun on weekends as i can make do without the car for a week or so, unfortunately the way grocery and food prices are going i cannot say the same thing for going without food for a week :(.

went to coles the other day, spent $20 and all i had was milk, break, cheese and some ham.... u see people spending $200 and their trolleys are half full :eek:

[VTSSDUDE]

Ive owned 3 V8's and I now own a turbo 6. Just different not better or worse. But down the track if the Aurion Supercharged V6 gets wind or if Holden releases a turbo V6, half the V8 owners will jump ship.

Sorry for the late response to this, but I would never sell my car for a V6 or a Aurion V6.
You know why.
BECAUSE NOTHING SOUNDS AS GREAT AS A THUMPING BIG V8! ;) :bow:

[BLAQSSHEV]

i got into my mates mitsubishi magna vrx the other night... saw his fuel consumption and it was sitting on 14.0 l/100km.... got into my car and it was readin 14.6 l/100km.

made me feel good.

i dont smoke... dont go spending $200 a week on piss every saturday night and dont gamble... so i guess spending abit extra on fuel aint going to hurt.

i would be more worried about other things apart from fuel going up. if fuel gets too expensive just get public transport to work and take the car out for fun on weekends as i can make do without the car for a week or so, unfortunately the way grocery and food prices are going i cannot say the same thing for going without food for a week :(.

went to coles the other day, spent $20 and all i had was milk, break, cheese and some ham.... u see people spending $200 and their trolleys are half full :eek:

Im hearing ya cant believe it when I get to checkout with my full hand basket and it comes close to $100.. Robbed:vpo:

[Drewie]

I doubt I will ever sell the V8 I have at present, would I buy another V8 probably not as I can see them losing heaps of value, more so than the 6's
if fuel goes through the roof in the coming years you won't be able to give them away, the average public won't be interested in them, I have allready dropped a bundle on the VX and won't be bitten again. Probably buy a new Mazda 6 next year and keep the VX SS as a toy and throw a few mods at it. I think you would need to have a careful think as to what residual you would leave in a new V8 if buying today on lease as it could be an interesting market in 3 to 4 years.

[kompiler]

i dont smoke... dont go spending $200 a week on piss every saturday night and dont gamble... so i guess spending abit extra on fuel aint going to hurt.


That's a very important point.

You obviously make sacrifices so that you can comfortably afford to own a V8.

I'm sure the people that are worried about fuel prices could cut back on similar weekly expenses if they really wanted to. If not, then owning a V8 is not a high priority to them. Simple.

If there is nothing left to cut back on then perhaps these people are living outside their means. I'd like to own a Bugatti Veyron but cant see my Financial Manager (aka wife) sharing the same vision.