radar detector

[mjcssv]

Has anyone had any experience with these radar detectors? Apparently in WA they are quite legal? I was wondering if they are much chop and if there would be any issues fitting to a VE?

www nomorefines com au (sorry can't post url's yet not enough posts)

cheers:xmas:

[VESSWA]

Legal in WA yes. I have a Beltronics STI XR and it has paid for itself in 4 months. Easy to hard wire yourself into any car.
Search threads and you'll find heaps of info.
Goodluck

[EXCESSV]

i also have the BEL STI XR and its a great unit.
comes with the hardwire kit with remote.

its installed in my VE and my mate who sold it to me and owns his own car stereo/alarm/etc store did it in 30min.

hear the Valentine V1 is good but dont know much about it

[VYSHSV8]

Wish I had one gonna have to get 1 after get back from Carnarvon with no doubt another fine again:bawl:

[AFAR]

Anyone know what the fine is if you were to be caught using one in Victoria?

[Mungrel]

i heard they confiscate it and or destroy it on the spot?

[Finney]

So of course out of pure interest, the above website is very specific about detecting multanova, so what do the other states use in their mobile speed cameras, are they also the same design using multanova?

cheers

Finney

[whitels1ss]

i heard they confiscate it and or destroy it on the spot?

Some of the cop cars have detector detectors in them. These radar detectors are supposed to go into "Stealth mode" when a cop car is around. One of my mates had a top of the range unit in his car a couple of weeks ago and the "Stealth mode" did not work correctly. The reason he found out it played up was that a cop car coming the other way detected it, turned around, searched his car, ripped it off him and fined him about $1200 on the spot.
He was not even speeding at the time.

[Tony Kendal]

I brought one in from the US... it's nearly worthless. Won't detect fixed cameras on the pole, only tells you when you are in the beam on a roadside camera, won't pick up a lasar, is OK on a mobile police car. But is works very well detecting the RF link on the petrol station camera systems. disappointed.

[O5BRKY]

Some of the cop cars have detector detectors in them. These radar detectors are supposed to go into "Stealth mode" when a cop car is around. One of my mates had a top of the range unit in his car a couple of weeks ago and the "Stealth mode" did not work correctly. The reason he found out it played up was that a cop car coming the other way detected it, turned around, searched his car, ripped it off him and fined him about $1200 on the spot.
He was not even speeding at the time.

Correct, RDD named Stalcar,detects all RD's but the Beltronics STi latest one.Stealth was only against the old VG2 RDD,but some were still picked up.

[nang3]

I've bought a Bel Vector 945 detector from Tristan at NoMoreFines before and was all good, defo saved me some cash and IMO made me a better driver...

For some reason I became a lot more aware of what speed i was doing and what limit zone i was in as well... It didnt give me a license to speed as the road safety sheep nazis would have everyone believe..
I have just sold mine to a mate and will be getting the passport 8500 when i have some spare cash after xmas

[lethal66]

I am also the proud owner of a bel sti xr and it is totally undectable against the spectre 3 or stalcar.I went to the gold coast last week and and it saved me about 6 times.

The best one was about 3.5klms in distance before it said ka band detected.I came over this hill and around a couple of corners and here is this brand new silver ve ss unmarked hwy patrol.You could see the the detector/detector sitting up on the dash.

Word of advice if ur going to buy a radar detector,make sure it is the bel sti or bel sti xr because all the other detectors out there will get detected.

[PBoB]

So what about if I had a radar detector and I drove past a cop car with a side mount, if it detected them and I turned it off straight away, could the coppers still pinpoint where the signal came from??

Maybe some of the local constabulary could shed some light on this? Also are they legal in QLD?

[O5BRKY]

So what about if I had a radar detector and I drove past a cop car with a side mount, if it detected them and I turned it off straight away, could the coppers still pinpoint where the signal came from??

Maybe some of the local constabulary could shed some light on this? Also are they legal in QLD?

RD's banned in all states except WA.

Yes your theory can work,BUT if your the only car around and the RDD has alerted,you will be more than likely picked up,RDD pick up distances vary from makes of RD's, The V1 is approx 150-400 metres, Bels from 500 metres and slightly less,others over 500 metres.
A RDD isn't the only tool to detect RD's, a quick zapp from radar,and the nose dive or brake lights coming on are also a good indication of a RD in use.

[PBoB]

True, very true. Ok then I'll just have to be a good boy :hide:

[Steakman]

I've got the Bel 965? anyway the top of the range one about 2 years ago. I grabbed this while in the USA from Circuit City for US$250, this unit at the time was in Australia for well over A$800. Its amazing how much we pay for these over here!

Anyways it has saved me a few times but is generally useless against multinovas unless you get lucky.

Does anyone know if there is any significant improvement in these STi models? Or is it same box different badge, another marketing exercise.

[HSVMAN]

Valentine 1 is by far the best money can buy. If your dealer sells both Bel and Valentine the ywill tell you this. It has basically no false alarms and the range is brilliant for radar laser and camera. I've had three (first two were stolen) plus a few other brands aad I will never go back.

We also have laser jammers in NZ but not sure if they are legal in your land?

[PSI 364]

So what about if I had a radar detector and I drove past a cop car with a side mount, if it detected them and I turned it off straight away, could the coppers still pinpoint where the signal came from??

Maybe some of the local constabulary could shed some light on this? Also are they legal in QLD?

Definitely illegal in QLD, along with anything else that gives the public a fighting chance to protect thier rights, especially now fixed cameras will operate at 1 km/h over the limit.

I have heard good things about the ones from Roy Zegers at www.australianradar.com.au. He assures me that his units are completely undetectable to any police RDD in QLD and that they are effective againt all forms of speed measurement that they use here. A few ppl I have spoken to love thier units, anyone else got any feedback about this guy and his detectors?

[nang3]

True, very true. Ok then I'll just have to be a good boy :hide:

nah just jam it down ya pants if they turn around hahaha but make sure to not leave any sus looking bulges.. I doubt any would be nazi enough to take you back for a strip search.

[O5BRKY]

Valentine 1 is by far the best money can buy. If your dealer sells both Bel and Valentine the ywill tell you this. It has basically no false alarms and the range is brilliant for radar laser and camera. I've had three (first two were stolen) plus a few other brands aad I will never go back.

We also have laser jammers in NZ but not sure if they are legal in your land?

Good detector, easily detected.

[HSVMAN]

Good detector, easily detected.

Dont know about that

Good we dont have that problem here then :)

[O5BRKY]

Dont know about that

Good we dont have that problem here then :)

Are RD's legal there?

And yes it is easily detected from 200 metres,only a little harder than cheaper RD's.

[HSVDKB]

Yep, radar detectors are legal in NZ. One of the few things our facist government hasn't got to yet.:)

[HSVMAN]

Are RD's legal there?

And yes it is easily detected from 200 metres,only a little harder than cheaper RD's.

Radar detectors only save you from a mobile cop if the cop has his radar on.
If it on "stealth" you toast because it cannot be detected.

No limits here you can have front and rear jammers and as many detectors mounted where you like.
If they changed it I would never conform :flipoff:

[Cruzadr]

Um...I remember from my stupid boy racer days back in my hometown Blenheim NZ (reprazent) that we always hid our radar detectors when we got pulled over. I don't think we did it cos its illegal, i think there may be a fine involved through some other law, obstructing justice or something.
I remember cos we all had these crappy detectors from the Warewhare that went off even when we drove past IR door alarms in shops.
And then when we spotted the cops and went past we'd slow down using our handbrakes so the cops don't see any brakelights. One of my mates slid out and crashed his Supra through a fence doing that, the cop was so busy pissing himself laughing to write a fine. Good times.... :eyes:

Just saw on Ebay Beltronics from USA $380 worth the investment i reckon...

[T_Kiwi]

haha sounds all too familiar about the handbrake trick bro

[O5BRKY]

If it on "stealth" you toast because it cannot be detected.

:
What the hell are you meaning here? Are you meaning Instant On? or the HOLD function on radar?

[HSVMAN]

What the hell are you meaning here? Are you meaning Instant On? or the HOLD function on radar?

'Instant on', commonly referred to as "stealth". Once you pick it up on the detector, its too late. Thats why Valentine1 are good because of the range. More often than not you can detect them a kilometre away zapping other traffic

[O5BRKY]

'Instant on', commonly referred to as "stealth". Once you pick it up on the detector, its too late. Thats why Valentine1 are good because of the range. More often than not you can detect them a kilometre away zapping other traffic

Not commonly known as 'stealth' here,but I guessed that's what you meant in the end(hence using Instant ON/HOLD function),that's the confusion,(kiwi language/Aussie!) Beltronics will detect that far as well/not a problem.

[keepleft]

DON'T by RDD's from oversease sellers, they *will* be detected. BIG FINES exceeding $1K in NSW for 'possession and use' apply.

Per thread, only one seems undetectable, to date.

The things should never have been banned, and were only banned for politically correct reasons (eg Scruby), even the Sydney talk-show jocks like Laws & Jones came out against them in 'simplistic arguement', christ knows Staysafe reports found no evidence that having RD's in car car caused more crashes or crash outcome.

I'd overturn the pointless ban, or reduce the fine level to near $75.

Once a freedom is gone, you have a hell of a time getting back, if ever.


Purchase Hella Part Number 2901 for your car, for use at breakdowns and crash scenes-to prevent secondary. A Euro/World standard hazard warning triangle!!

[O5BRKY]

DON'T by RDD's from oversease sellers, they *will* be detected. BIG FINES exceeding $1K in NSW for 'possession and use' apply.




Already discussed! And I think you mean RD's

[HSVDKB]

Yep, radar detectors are legal in NZ. One of the few things our facist government hasn't got to yet.:)

The facists have struck. Govt announced today they are going to ban radar detectors in NZ:bawl:

[lethal66]

DON'T by RDD's from oversease sellers, they *will* be detected. [/b]


Not the beltronics sti.It is exactly the same as the bel sti xr model.Same firmware and everything just with a xr sticker on it.As i've said before there is only 1 detector to buy and i've just mentioned it,the rest will be detected and u will end up paying a huge fine loosing ur detector and in some cases go to court.

[keepleft]

The facists have struck. Govt announced today they are going to ban radar detectors in NZ:bawl:

Well then, don't be apathetic about it, get organised - write and demand MP's say 'no' to a prohibition, and seek the 'evidence' that having a radar detector switched on, OR in the car switched off, causes road trauma. Do not accept 'assumption, hysteria and bull$hit'.

Ask how many deaths are caused by radar detectors. Christ knows we in NSW couldn't find any, but banned them anyhow. get my way and I'll overturn the ban, or reduce the fine to $70.

Notify them that you don't appreciate idiot speeds and that like government, you are dismayed at the few individuals that drive like idiots, but insist that this has bugger all to do with radar detectors, which in reality it certainly does not.

Once you lose any freedom, you will have a pig of a time getting it back.

Shame on political correctness and the nanny state.


NB; IF NZ government is serious about 'road safety', then it needs to notify the 'individual' retards responsible at LTSA to begin the process to remove from NZ roads what you refer as the 'Open Road Sign'. (In AUS we refer this the speed derestriction sign).

This traffic sign is owned by the international community, its design and meaning is NOT the property of any New Zealand government, government agency or individual, it does not mean 100km/h and never has and never will, despite domestic NZ regulation created in 1976 that states 'The maximum speed limit in New Zealand is 100km/h'.

Like all public services agencies, by christ NZ has employed some backward, ignorant dumbarses over the decades, that much is clear.


Advocacy Mode, don't take ofence dear reader:-
Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[HSVMAN]

Well then, don't be apathetic about it, get organised - write and demand MP's say 'no' to a prohibition, and seek the 'evidence' that having a radar detector switched on, OR in the car switched off, causes road trauma. Do not accept 'assumption, hysteria and bull$hit'.

Ask how many deaths are caused by radar detectors. Christ knows we in NSW couldn't find any, but banned them anyhow. get my way and I'll overturn the ban, or reduce the fine to $70.

Notify them that you don't appreciate idiot speeds and that like government, you are dismayed at the few individuals that drive like idiots, but insist that this has bugger all to do with radar detectors, which in reality it certainly does not.

Once you lose any freedom, you will have a pig of a time getting it back.

Shame on political correctness and the nanny state.


NB; IF NZ government is serious about 'road safety', then it needs to notify the 'individual' retards responsible at LTSA to begin the process to remove from NZ roads what you refer as the 'Open Road Sign'. (In AUS we refer this the speed derestriction sign).

This traffic sign is owned by the international community, its design and meaning is NOT the property of any New Zealand government, government agency or individual, it does not mean 100km/h and never has and never will, despite domestic NZ regulation created in 1976 that states 'The maximum speed limit in New Zealand is 100km/h'.

Like all public services agencies, by christ NZ has employed some backward, ignorant dumbarses over the decades, that much is clear.

Jeezus.... ahem, I havent heard anything re banning them here but I do agree with the larger part of your post.

Open road signs - are now 100km/h sign in 99.9% of roads

Cheers!

[Knight Phlier]

In NSW if you are caught the fine is a whopping 9 points and $1100.

What happens if someone from WA (Where they are legal) have a RD installed in their car, and are caught - will they have to succumb to the same fine as a NSW driver?

[HSVDKB]

Jeezus.... ahem, I havent heard anything re banning them here but I do agree with the larger part of your post.

They are being banned in NZ - see link below

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4332694a10.html

[HSVMAN]

They are being banned in NZ - see link below

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4332694a10.html

And it wont change a thing...

[mjcssv]

Thanks for the info, I'm thinking as I'm in WA I may as well, and the Valentine 1 is looking like the go, hopefully it will be easy to hard wire, rather than have cables all the the cabin.....:)

[keepleft]

In NSW if you are caught the fine is a whopping 9 points and $1100.

What happens if someone from WA (Where they are legal) have a RD installed in their car, and are caught - will they have to succumb to the same fine as a NSW driver?

You *will* receive the same penalty. The radar detector must be removed from the vehicle the moment you leave WA into SA or NT. You could place it in a handbag.




Open road signs - are now 100km/h sign in 99.9% of roads.
The signs need to be removed from NZ roads, they are *NOT* 100km/h speed restriction signs, the word is "de-restriction".





Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[VSSII]

In NSW, unless you do big annual K's. I really don't see what the big deal is. There are only 400 HWP staff in NSW and about 50 cars or so. And I'm pretty sure there's less than 10 police mobile speed cameras. For the whole state!! Then factor in that the detectors are only good for RADAR, and the check has to be half decent to write you up. Mention HWP anywhere but on a motoring website and most people will comment that they never ever see HWP. As an example, Pennant Hills Road Sydney can move about 60000+ cars per hour during peak periods. Imagine the odds of getting done with a LASER in a school zone, and thats if the school zone was even being worked because there are a squillion of the suckers. Oh and if your detector lets you know a LASER is on you you're already gone.

If I lived in Victoria i'd be first in line to purchase anything that warned me of all the camera locations due to their well known lowest of low tolerances but in NSW they must all have no less than 3 warning signs on each side of the road. Even if the camera only targets one direction. Each to their own I guess.

[Knight Phlier]

I do a fair bit of work late at night, and am both in the city and on the freeway a fair bit when it is quiet on the road and i still see em a fair bit - although i don't see as many HWP as I used to 5+ years ago, they are still around.

I heard something in the news about 450 HWP cars in NSW with the whole double demerit thing but maybe it is actually 450 coppers, but only 50 or so cars.

[keepleft]

In NSW, unless you do big annual K's. I really don't see what the big deal is. There are only 400 HWP staff in NSW and about 50 cars or so. And I'm pretty sure there's less than 10 police mobile speed cameras. For the whole state!! Then factor in that the detectors are only good for RADAR, and the check has to be half decent to write you up. Mention HWP anywhere but on a motoring website and most people will comment that they never ever see HWP.

Greetings,
There were currently 970 highway patrol officers on NSW roads, compared to 980 patrol officers 23 years ago.

Taken from (29 Nov, 2007):-
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Highway-patrol-plug-staff-shortages/2007/11/29/1196037064658.html

See also;
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/PARLMENT/hansArt.nsf/V3Key/LA20071129018

Le cars:-
http://batemansbay.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/sexier-side-to-highway-patrol/1090063.html




Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[maureen]

Good investment,

[jb1]

That is so right!

HSVDKB there is one shot and either you will pay $1,000 any time you are caught with one or you will put together a team who will stop radar detectors from being banned. You need politicians to know they are publically opposed so they are scared of losing votes if they go ahead. If people don't speak up they will assume everyone supports it and they are going to get accolades for being seen to do something for saving lives.

An organisation called ADRA did research on banning radar detectors in Queensland and how accidents went up afterward or something. Hunting down research like that would be a good weapon for your future NZ organisation. You should consider contacting them on (I can't post links so I'll have to give this stuff laterally) secretary at adrawa.com.au to see if they will give you the info on that Queensland research.

Everyone in your future organisation or network should also brush up on facts about Safety Warning Systems. From memory I think any radar detector manufactured after 1982 or something can detect the SWS signal and more recent ones can distinguish between different types of SWS signals. SWS emitters can be placed at constructions sites, on emergency vehicles, and at other hazardous locations. Apparently they already get used in NZ.

normal url stuff plus adrawa.com.au/Surveys%20and%20Studies/Studies/Arguments%20for%20Legal%20Use%20of%20Radar%20Detec tors.pdf

Wiping out radar detector usage will mean a whole bunch of people will suddenly be endangered unless they have the cash to buy expensive electrical equipment to detect the SWS without radar detection. NZGovCo should be promoting safety by widening the use of the SWS to save lives not reducing the number of drivers who can detect it. The Queensland experience proves that banning radar detectors to improve safety is a furphy so that is no excuse.

You might also be able to get some ideas or assistance with press releases from international brothers like:

normal url stuff plus aussiemotorists.com
normal url stuff plus abd.org.uk
normal url stuff plus motorists.org

Good luck. You will sink or swim but if you fail you are stuffed as I said. You need to move fast. As keep left pointed out, once the ban is in it will be almost impossible to remove.

[QUOTE=keepleft;1104201]Well then, don't be apathetic about it, get organised - write and demand MP's say 'no' to a prohibition, and seek the 'evidence' that having a radar detector switched on, OR in the car switched off, causes road trauma. Do not accept 'assumption, hysteria and bull$hit'.

Ask how many deaths are caused by radar detectors. Christ knows we in NSW couldn't find any, but banned them anyhow. get my way and I'll overturn the ban, or reduce the fine to $70.

Notify them that you don't appreciate idiot speeds and that like government, you are dismayed at the few individuals that drive like idiots, but insist that this has bugger all to do with radar detectors, which in reality it certainly does not.

Once you lose any freedom, you will have a pig of a time getting it back.

Shame on political correctness and the nanny state.


NB; IF NZ government is serious about 'road safety', then it needs to notify the 'individual' retards responsible at LTSA to begin the process to remove from NZ roads what you refer as the 'Open Road Sign'. (In AUS we refer this the speed derestriction sign).

This traffic sign is owned by the international community, its design and meaning is NOT the property of any New Zealand government, government agency or individual, it does not mean 100km/h and never has and never will, despite domestic NZ regulation created in 1976 that states 'The maximum speed limit in New Zealand is 100km/h'.

Like all public services agencies, by christ NZ has employed some backward, ignorant dumbarses over the decades, that much is clear.


Advocacy Mode, don't take ofence dear reader:-
Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. QUOTE]

[iloveholden]

Hey guys i might be looking at getting a radar detector in the near future.

I like the sound of the Bel STI XR model as it works well but its stealth mode seems quite good even though here in W.A its still legal to have one.

What can i look at paying for one of these?

Also a cousin had a Valentine radar detector and he swears by it as it had a 360 degree detection, is this the same with the STI or is this unit better?
He paid $450 on ebay for it when they RRP he for 1300 :confused:

[madd0g]

i got the escort passport 8500, which i hear is the same company that makes the bels or something like that. it works pretty good against camera's and patrol cars but it is stronly dependant on the road. sometimes it will pick it up from 600m away sometimes it wont pick it up until your ontop of it. i say it was a worth while purchase but no way would I depend on it!

[Pilbara SSV]

I have a Bel RX65 and a mate has a Valentine. If you are on the open highway and the only car on the road and you get buzzed with the instant on function fitted to WA police cars nothing will save you!!! All the radar detector can do is inform you that the Police car coming towards you will soon be flashing his headlights switching on the lovely dash mounted blue and red ones. I experienced this yesterday afternoon. In the city they may or may not help but on open highway i think they are a bit useless. Best scenario is to have someone who is happy doing say 130kmh and you just sit a km or so off him and try and match his speed, hopefully when he gets buzzed you will detect the Ka band radar and have time to slow down. Good luck with it.
By the way the talk in WA about lowering the speed limit to 100kmh on all highways is a joke. It is a 12 hour drive to Perth for me and dropping the limit adds another hour or so to my trip, i wonder if the extra fatigue will add up and cause an accident. In my opinion modern cars are quite safe and capable of cruising at 130kph on the open highway.

[L-iam]

in my opinion also.

[iloveholden]

Thanks, I will look into one maybe round mid-year as the "good ones" arnt cheap!

Im not a cronic speeder, say doing 20+ over the limit all the time and even so the detectors still wont save you from that. It just i get worred about doing that annoying 4-10km over on highways, downhill and even up hills that cost you money which a radar detector may help with. I still think they are an investment worth having for the long hawl.

[nang3]

It is a 12 hour drive to Perth for me and dropping the limit adds another hour or so to my trip, i wonder if the extra fatigue will add up and cause an accident. In my opinion modern cars are quite safe and capable of cruising at 130kph on the open highway.

my opinion also, in fact i reckon freeways could quite comfortably be set to 140kph and open highways 150kph with todays modern cars.. the problem is all the f*ckwits who cant merge, cant check mirrors and drive along in their own little bubble of obliviousness...

they really should have made perth twice the size it is, and had a second set of roads for the stupid lemmings who cant drive properly with speed limits half
of what the roads for decent drivers have

[iloveholden]

Yep totally agree. Higways should be set at speed that is safe for that area i know but most you can easily travel at 130/40km and no problems.

What also pisses me off are the areas that are 90kms and not 100, WHY?

[mjcssv]

Was anyone at Motorvation last year? I was wondering if they had radar detectors for sale at the show? maybe ther'll be a show special????

[keepleft]

It is a 12 hour drive to Perth for me and dropping the limit adds another hour or so to my trip, i wonder if the extra fatigue will add up and cause an accident. In my opinion modern cars are quite safe and capable of cruising at 130kph on the open highway.


Nang wrote:-My opinion also, in fact I reckon freeways could quite comfortably be set to 140kph and open highways 150kph with todays modern cars. The problem is all the f*ckwits who cant merge, cant check mirrors and drive along in their own little bubble of obliviousness...
Ironic you say that a road 'designed' for speed should have a 'speed-limit' lower than one not.

WA's rural default of 110km/h as with NT's 110km/h rural default is 'nuts', way too high, - it should be 80km/h max, WITH both higher 'posted' speed limits (range 90-110km/h) on better roads within that zone, and even derestriction on WA's highest quality highway lengths of road within the 80km/h rural zone.

Higher limits/allowance in WA's rural zone cannot occure unless the rural default first is reduced to something that reflects the goat-class tracks that the rural default is meant to represent, as odd as that might at first sound.

Anyhow, a primary reason why full-freeway class roads cannot (and will not) raise in speed limit, is because of the median located, "emergency services only" U-Turn bays, which are used daily by by people who treat these as private intersections, to either go back, or cross into a nearby business on the other side of the carriageway. Often done directly in front of closing 100km/h plus traffic, sometimes with serious and death consequence.

The answer is to remove them completely (my choice), or design a 'gatelock' for each and every one of these median located U-Turn bays. These hopeless thoughtless designs are a 'feature' of the freeway/motorway network here in NSW/VIC etc.



Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[nang3]

Ironic you say that a road 'designed' for speed should have a 'speed-limit' lower than one not.

WA's rural default of 110km/h as with NT's 110km/h rural default is 'nuts', way too high, - it should be 80km/h max, WITH both higher 'posted' speed limits (range 90-110km/h) on better roads within that zone, and even derestriction on WA's highest quality highway lengths of road within the 80km/h rural zone.

Higher limits/allowance in WA's rural zone cannot occure unless the rural default first is reduced to something that reflects the goat-class tracks that the rural default is meant to represent, as odd as that might at first sound.

Anyhow, a primary reason why full-freeway class roads cannot (and will not) raise in speed limit, is because of the median located, "emergency services only" U-Turn bays, which are used daily by by people who treat these as private intersections, to either go back, or cross into a nearby business on the other side of the carriageway. Often done directly in front of closing 100km/h plus traffic, sometimes with serious and death consequence.

The answer is to remove them completely (my choice), or design a 'gatelock' for each and every one of these median located U-Turn bays. These hopeless thoughtless designs are a 'feature' of the freeway/motorway network here in NSW/VIC etc.


yep my bad !! I meant the proper highways in the sections where its straight dual carriage good quality roads like a big % of say Bussell Highway heading down to southwest WA.

I totally agree about the 110kph default rural speed being too much - the roads to bootleggers brewery in margaret river are a prime example.. even on a sunny dry clear day with zero traffic it should be a 70 zone, never mind 110 after a beer or two in the rain !!!

Rural roads should definitely default to 80kph and then signpost the good parts with a higher limit more applicable to the condition of the road. There's been times when ive been coming back from down south sitting on about 115kph when ive lost half an hour or 45mins just staring at the back of the car in front in a total boredom induced daydream... the road can easily handle 130/140/150kph in certain sections if you are in a decent car, if not you shouldnt be on the road at all

[The MINX]

I brought one in from the US... it's nearly worthless. Won't detect fixed cameras on the pole, only tells you when you are in the beam on a roadside camera, won't pick up a lasar, is OK on a mobile police car. But is works very well detecting the RF link on the petrol station camera systems. disappointed.

Ageed...

My mate bought one, we followed him to the summernats, to make up a bit of time he said follow us, we have the detector, if we slow up you slow up...

Yeah no worries, there were three cars in our convoy, after about 15-20km of being slightly over the limit (I wont admit how much) a cop car put a stop to the car behind me. I said what happened to the bloody radar detector. My goofy mate said, uhhhh didnt beep. he didnt get booked, nor did I but the guy behind me also a mate got the book thrown at him.

From there on, 100km/h all the way, dont trust those radar detectors.

[pursuit1980]

If you buy crap.... you will get crap results..... simple.

As a dealer primarily in Radar Detectors and Jammers, I am MORE than happy to help anyone with their questions with FACTUAL answers.

Unfortunately, I have been reading this thread and shaking my head in disbelief at some of the comments.

I personally own, sell, use & TEST all of the TOP 5 detectors on the market, and believe me, there are ONLY 5 out of the many that are worth your money.

My PROVEN ratings are as follows:
1. Valentine V1
2. Bel STI XR (Or hidden version, the Bel STI-R)
3. Escort X50 (Blue or Red, it wont make a difference)
4. Bel RX65
5. Escort 9500i

Personally, Ive tested them all, and the Valentine V1 is outstanding, and therefore has been my choice of detector in my VE SSV, with the Bel STi XR a very close second place, although the STI range inconsistency was its only downfall.

I wont mention my online business, as im not here to promote, simply to educate and answer questions.

I simply hate seeing people duped into buying worthless paper-weights that are on the market these days.

Stay away from ANYTHING that calls itself "Stealth Ninja", they are simply re-badged RMR (Rocky Mountain Radar) detectors, which are on-par with Cobra brand, and quite frankly, the laughing stock within the industry.

***Obviously, ANYONE outside of WA should ONLY use a Bel STI XR. Due to its un-detectable capability, from its patented hardware and Magnesium Casing. I personally own both the Stelcar 2 & Stelcar 3 Radar Detector Detector and can honestly say, the Police car could be sitting right next to you at and have absolutely NO IDEA that you are running an STI XR.

*Remember - The above is not simply my OPINION, these are PROVEN results.

For Western Australia - Valentine V1 or Bel STi XR / -R (or any Top 5 Above)
For other states - Bel STi XR / -R ONLY!

Dont Risk It!

Its true that these detectors cost between $700 - $900 AUD, but quality costs, and shows results.

BANDS
X-Band - Not Used (Turn Off)
K-Band - Traffic Cars, Fixed Speed Camera's, GATSO
KA-Band - Multanova Speed Camera (Portable), May be implemented into Traffic Cars in future to replace K-Band.
SWS - Safety Warning System, Used by Emergency Vehicles / Roadworks
& Finally.....
LASER - DETECTION ONLY! Once your hit with LASER, its too late.

I personally use a laser blocker in conjunction with my detector, and likewise, there are many on the market, but only a few that work correctly.

Guys, simply, do your homework, ask questions from people that KNOW what they are talking about, get the FACTS, as the correct devices are a big investment and the incorrect advice can buy you an expensive paperweight.

I hope these facts have helped some of you.

Im HERE if you have any questions. Thankyou

[RRossi]

For those that live in WA

I have been told that the Police will be going a special type of digital coding with there Multi Novas and Hand Held's so this would make Radars useless, it was a traffic Sarg that told me, but How true or when it will come into place I dont know, but his tip for me was not to waste my Money on one

Cheers

RR

[james22]

Interesting, I may have to invest in one. Dont like the sound of that though ^^^. Does anybody know, if I buy a Beltronics STI, does it matter if its from Australia or Ebay? (overseas) Does it affect detection or being detected by other vehicles if I were to buy one from overseas?

I'd hate to spend $500 on one from overseas, to find that it gets detected the second i use it? Or doesnt detect them?

[iloveholden]

I had the joy of having a V1 in my car for a week and man this thing was good and although it can be detected, being in W.A that doesnt matter.

I have friends and family who have/had the STI XR and since using the V1 will not go back to the STI (BTW the STI is great just not as good as the V1 with all its features and great detection range). Although if you live in a state other than W.A, go for the STIi

I was thinking of buying V1 myself but they are expensive but i have the feeling that i'll buy one and like a month later cops will bring out some new way of transmitting the signals or something and it will become useless :bawl:

[pursuit1980]

For those that live in WA

I have been told that the Police will be going a special type of digital coding with there Multi Novas and Hand Held's so this would make Radars useless, it was a traffic Sarg that told me, but How true or when it will come into place I dont know, but his tip for me was not to waste my Money on one

Cheers

RR


Hi RRossi,

The WA Police put out an open tender in 2007 to replace or upgrade the existing multanova setup with an expected implementation of July/August 2008.

From the testing I have witnessed, it is a LASER based system with digital IMAGES taken from front and rear of a vehicle (Motorcycles beware). Basically the LASER hits you from the front, the camera then takes an image from the front, and based on your speed calculated, also takes a second image from the rear as you pass by the multanova. *Aparently able to scan multiple lanes of traffic.

I have personally seen these in action around Perth on a few occasions now and I would put money on it to say it will be the chosen winning tender by the WA Police.

There were a few submissions, RedFlex, Vitronic etc.

As far as Handheld Lasers go, a laser is a laser, its pointed, trigger is pressed, it bounces or pings off the target at a rediculous rate per second (100pps), returning both the distance and speed of the target, producing a reading to the operator. The current Laser of choice of WA Police is the LTI Ultralyte using 100 PPS (Pops Per Second)..... I also own one of these ;-)

So, if the above chosen multanova setup is implemented this year, then yes, a radar detector will not save you, only alert you to being hit by the laser on this new Multanova setup. *Multanova ONLY! Traffic cars can ONLY run RADAR. Mobile laser is too dangerous and not accurate within a moving vehicle. *Police operators must be trained and hold qualification to use one, also a certificate of calibration is required on the laser guns quite often.

There is legistlation regarding use of all radar and laser equipment in Australia, and neither the public or the Police can get around those.

IF and WHEN the new laser based Multanova is introduced, I would recommend a GOOD laser jamming system. One that does not produce error codes to the operator. (Yes believe it, there are error codes that appear on the handheld laser to tell the operator that you are using a jammer) although the top couple of jammers on the market do not return any error codes to the operator..... such as mine ;-)

When people talk about RD's being a waste of money, they are simply either uneducated or are talking about the old days..... well times have changed and the technology is now producting amazing results.


Interesting, I may have to invest in one. Dont like the sound of that though ^^^. Does anybody know, if I buy a Beltronics STI, does it matter if its from Australia or Ebay? (overseas) Does it affect detection or being detected by other vehicles if I were to buy one from overseas?

I'd hate to spend $500 on one from overseas, to find that it gets detected the second i use it? Or doesnt detect them?


Hi James,

Ebay detectors are a hit and miss affair. Basically if not purchased through an authorized Beltronics distributor, you automatically void your warranty.

Beltronics does not allow USA detectors to be exported to the public, only to authorized distributors, to which there is only 1 in Australia.

Ebay sellers often sell 're-manufactured' detectors with serial numbers removed, and god help you if you get a nice lil message on your screen such as "SELF CAL", "SERVICE REQ".

These are basically "bricks". Once a detector shows the Self Calibration or Service Required message on the screen, its in need of repair by Beltronics. Without warranty, its nothing more than a very expensive paperweight.

Reason i would warn against this, is even the legitimate brand new units out there have their gremlins, and I've had brand new legitimate stock straight out of the box show up with these errors. Luckily for me and anyone that buys from me, gets an immediate swapover for a new unit, and i send the faulty unit back directly to the authorized Beltronics distributor in Australia. Remember, there is ONLY 1 and they are in Perth.

It may cost $500-$600 for a non-genuine Ebay detector, but for an extra $100, for a local brand new legitimate Australian version with warranty, is it really worth the risk. Id say no.

Good luck with your choice.

[Clutch22]

On the country road the radar detector will not help you.

Anyone heard of the falcon? It is a radar detector that will get you from up to 5km away.

Keep in mind, you're an idiot for speeding anyway. People wonder why there's such a high death toll on the roads and here we have a forum of people conjuring up ways to beat the system and speed. Think, you're speeding, you have a blowout, and die. What happens to your family? What happens if you hit a car and kill the occupants, think of their families.

[pursuit1980]

On the country road the radar detector will not help you.

Anyone heard of the falcon? It is a radar detector that will get you from up to 5km away.

Keep in mind, you're an idiot for speeding anyway. People wonder why there's such a high death toll on the roads and here we have a forum of people conjuring up ways to beat the system and speed. Think, you're speeding, you have a blowout, and die. What happens to your family? What happens if you hit a car and kill the occupants, think of their families.


'FALCON' is a VERY OLD hand held RADAR based gun. Easily 10 years old or more and would never be used by any Police agency these days.

And its more like the fact that it could be DETECTED from over 5km away.

Also, further to your comment. Nobody here is advocating speeding. The majority of people that purchase and use detectors are simply sick of getting tickets for doing 5km over the prescribed posted limit. Simple as that.

It is FACT that even in the latest models of cars, there is variants of speed to what your car says you are doing, and what speed you are technically doing.

Example.... VE Commodore... the speedo is out perfectly by 3km/h. This has been discussed, documented in Wheels Magazine and personally tested by myself using GPS and Hand Held Laser.... Luckily, its 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER.

Thanks for your comments.

[HSVMAN]

pursuit1980, thanks for the FACTUAL and very useful information.

I own a V1 and a front laser jammer. Brilliant equipment and worth every penny.
Cheers

[nudenut]

Example.... VE Commodore... the speedo is out perfectly by 3km/h. This has been discussed, documented in Wheels Magazine and personally tested by myself using GPS and Hand Held Laser.... Luckily, its 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER.
That should be the other way around. Doesn't the Australian Standard now ask for 0 to +10% error? ie If the correct speed is 100 km/h, the speedo must show between 100 and 110, so your real speed could be less than the speed shown on the speedo, but it won't be more.

[pursuit1980]

That should be the other way around. Doesn't the Australian Standard now ask for 0 to +10% error? ie If the correct speed is 100 km/h, the speedo must show between 100 and 110, so your real speed could be less than the speed shown on the speedo, but it won't be more.


Ummmm.... Thats what was said, feel free to read it again.


Example... VE Commodore showing 100km/h on the Speedo, shows 97km/h when checked with LASER or GPS. (3km approx as mentioned)

Thanks.

[nudenut]

Ummmm.... Thats what was said, feel free to read it again.


Example... VE Commodore showing 100km/h on the Speedo, shows 97km/h when checked with LASER or GPS. (3km approx as mentioned)

Thanks.
Ummm, feel free to read it again yourself.

"Luckily, its 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER."

What is "it"? Talking about speedo error, you're comparing speedo readings and correct speeds, so "it" must be the speedo reading. So the sentence reads as ""Luckily, the speedo reading is 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER", meaning that the speedo would show 97km/h at a "true" 100 km/h. As I said, the wrong way around.

Anyway no drama, good info on radar detectors.

[pursuit1980]

Ummm, feel free to read it again yourself.

"Luckily, its 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER."

What is "it"? Talking about speedo error, you're comparing speedo readings and correct speeds, so "it" must be the speedo reading. So the sentence reads as ""Luckily, the speedo reading is 3km UNDER the correct speed, not OVER", meaning that the speedo would show 97km/h at a "true" 100 km/h. As I said, the wrong way around.

Anyway no drama, good info on radar detectors.


Ahhhhh interpretations of the english language, we've gotta love it.

The word 'it' was actually referring to the the car itself. But never the less I see where your coming from, if 'it' was taken as the speedo reading then your interpretation is correct.

I swear, this must be how people get into biffo sometimes! :rofl:

Its all good mate, we are both right on this one. Good work.

VE Commodore Speedo - 100km/h
ACTUAL Speed - 97km/h

Shiit, we must've both been reading over and over and seeing what the hell the other person was on about I'm sure.

Thanks for your input.

[S&S]

pursuit1980
What do you think of that laser veil paint stuff that I have seen on the net?

[pursuit1980]

pursuit1980
What do you think of that laser veil paint stuff that I have seen on the net?


Laser Veil is a good product, but must be re-applied, and applied correctly. There are many people that dislike the look of the Veil when dry on headlights etc., almost like a smokey streaking effect.

That being said, regardless of the 'look' of the product, its results can be quite impressive. The product does work as it says.

Remember, lighter coloured cars (White, Silver, Light metallics) etc. are ALOT easier for the LIDAR (laser) to bounce back. As well as vehicles with large amounts of Chrome, such as large grills and surrounds etc. Therefore, easier to obtain speed reading.

Darker coloured cars absorb any IR radiation, same reason why a black car gets hotter in the sun than a white car.

Veil works, because law enforcement are trained to aim for reflective parts of a car body, headlights and numberplates being the number 1 spot as the reflective backing of headlights & numberplates give the best results for the Laser speed reading.


Thanks.

[jaskel]

Everything that persuit said is correct, I have done many years of Radar and Laser operating and if you are not stupid and know what is around you then a detector will save you. The comment passed that a detector wont save you on a country road is a funny statement as this is the perfect area for a detector, always try and have a car in front at least 500 mtrs ahead, you will detect some instant on and give you some time to slow. But I bet i can still operate a radar gun to get your speed before your detector even goes off ;)

AAs for laser...well forget about it...its simply lets you know your toast!

I just did a quick search on youtube and found these couple to give you a better idea how police radar and Laser works.

Laser; YouTube - Prolaser 2 Target Lock Demo (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbrLWETQT8)

Radar; YouTube - Kustom Eagle Radar Demo (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7V12C2n7M08)

[johno5.7]

i have used all forms or radar's and laser's for years...

the kustom radar were a great system, then came the silver eagle with a few extra features which was okay, then came the Mark II version - not a great improvement.

now we run Decatur's (mobile) - which are not too bad.

the laser's are very effective, I have not yet had any problems pinging speeders with detectors stuck to the windscreens....in fact i have seen a motorist pull the detector from the car and throw it on the ground then stomp on it - said it was a $800 detector.

by the time the detector acknowledge being hit, alerting the driver and then driver's reaction time to slam on the brakes, i bet i could ping you all at least twice in this time frame. cool hand luke!!!

in regards to speedo calibration (+- 10%) - coppers generally have a speed tolerance in which this is included before they stop a speeder to issue an TIN...i will not disclose that figure...but those of yo who are coppers know what i am saying...

[jaskel]

Hi Johnno,

yes the new Decature is a nice unit, Ka is in my opinion as it locks quicker, gived detectors less warning and the antenna is WOW!

Do you use multitrack or still only OPP mode?? I might PM you save discussing it on here.

J

[johno5.7]

Hi Johnno,

yes the new Decature is a nice unit, Ka is in my opinion as it locks quicker, gived detectors less warning and the antenna is WOW!

Do you use multitrack or still only OPP mode?? I might PM you save discussing it on here.

J

g'day jaskel,

i hadn't forgotten you, i did a PM back but it went now where 'cos i haven't yet got 10 posts together....

[the1after909]

I purchased a Beltronics STi XR about 2 months ago and so far it's been totally unreliable. Some days it detects every servo and shop within cooee, some days nothing. Increasingly often, it beeps and flashes 'service required' on the display. This usually happens after about half an hour of use.

I recon that I've probably just got a dodgey one and will send it back to be tested and repaired - hopefully. I'll keep you all informed as to how I go with the warranty claim.

I'm interested to see if anyone else may have experienced similar problems.

[jaskel]

The service required message is exactly that!! you will neee to send it back to the place you got it, this message means it failed the internal calibration test and this would explain the different detection u have seen.

Definatly fix it as it is a good detector.

Oh and Johno, I havnt heard from you m8.

[pursuit1980]

I purchased a Beltronics STi XR about 2 months ago and so far it's been totally unreliable. Some days it detects every servo and shop within cooee, some days nothing. Increasingly often, it beeps and flashes 'service required' on the display. This usually happens after about half an hour of use.

I recon that I've probably just got a dodgey one and will send it back to be tested and repaired - hopefully. I'll keep you all informed as to how I go with the warranty claim.

I'm interested to see if anyone else may have experienced similar problems.


Mate, 'Service Required' means 'Game Over' for Radar Detectors. That is the sole reason why you should ONLY ever buy a radar detector from an authorized reseller. Buying one from Ebay or non-authorized resellers basically means you have purchased a brick and nothing more.

I hope you have done the right thing and purchased from an authorized reseller, who as part of the re-seller agreement with Beltronics in the USA will swap your detector over for a brand new one on the spot.

Good luck!

[the1after909]

Thanx for the speedy replies!

I did purchase it from someone who's website claims to be an authorised reseller. I don't know if it's good form to mention the retailer's name or website in this forum. Is it?

I've emailed the supplier and have no reason to believe that they wont do the right thing; ie, fix or replace it.

Is it expected that these devices require service from time to time, or does 'service required' mean 'game over' as pursuit1980 suggested?

:)

[pursuit1980]

Thanx for the speedy replies!

I did purchase it from someone who's website claims to be an authorised reseller. I don't know if it's good form to mention the retailer's name or website in this forum. Is it?

I've emailed the supplier and have no reason to believe that they wont do the right thing; ie, fix or replace it.

Is it expected that these devices require service from time to time, or does 'service required' mean 'game over' as pursuit1980 suggested?

:)


There is no option to 'fix' a genuine Beltronics product in Australia. Beltronics USA do not release any firmware or hardware to anyone worldwide. It is a policy of all genuine Beltronics resellers to replace the unit with a new one through Neltronics (Australian Distributor). So just be a bit cautious should your supplier state he will repair it for you.

Older style, old technology units used to fall out of calibration from time to time, but with newer technologies and solid-state hardware, this is no longer an issue with quality detectors such as Bel STI and Valentine1.

I have personal knowledge that almost 1 out of every 20 units delivered from Beltronics USA to the Australian distributor arrives faulty or 'Service Required', but this should not be looked at as an issue, due to the replacement policy guarantee and warranty program.

Feel free to PM me, should you want to know more.

Thanks

[the1after909]

There is no option to 'fix' a genuine Beltronics product in Australia. Beltronics USA do not release any firmware or hardware to anyone worldwide. It is a policy of all genuine Beltronics resellers to replace the unit with a new one through Neltronics (Australian Distributor). So just be a bit cautious should your supplier state he will repair it for you.

Older style, old technology units used to fall out of calibration from time to time, but with newer technologies and solid-state hardware, this is no longer an issue with quality detectors such as Bel STI and Valentine1.

I have personal knowledge that almost 1 out of every 20 units delivered from Beltronics USA to the Australian distributor arrives faulty or 'Service Required', but this should not be looked at as an issue, due to the replacement policy guarantee and warranty program.

Feel free to PM me, should you want to know more.

Thanks

G'day,

Thanks for your offer for me to pm you. Although I can't do that 'till I've got 10 posts up.

You seem to have a good knowledge of these rd devices :bow:
Why do you think that 1 in 20 sold would be defective? If I were the manufacturer, I would consider that unacceptable!

I purchased this STi XR from radarlaser.com.au (can't make that a link until I have 10 posts) Are they a reliable reseller?

Thanx again, :)

[O5BRKY]

I purchased a Beltronics STi XR about 2 months ago and so far it's been totally unreliable. Some days it detects every servo and shop within cooee, some days nothing. Increasingly often, it beeps and flashes 'service required' on the display. This usually happens after about half an hour of use.

I recon that I've probably just got a dodgey one and will send it back to be tested and repaired - hopefully. I'll keep you all informed as to how I go with the warranty claim.

I'm interested to see if anyone else may have experienced similar problems.
Yeb, SOUNDS very dodgy,send it back.

[lethal66]

If u going to buy a sti get it from here

http://www.dontgetcaught.com.au/radardetectors.html


Best detector out there and also invisable to the all new spectra iv coming

[jaskel]

If u going to buy a sti get it from here

http://www.dontgetcaught.com.au/radardetectors.html


Best detector out there and also invisable to the all new spectra iv coming


Yes I totally agree, they are a professional outfit and will certainly help you!!

Regarding the spectre 4, I have one so what ya wanna know ;)

I have personally tested a STi against spectre 4 and it did NOT detect it at all.

Keep an eye out for the new Escort 9500Ci, it will use GPS and have total stealth against spectre.

I have tested many different detectors against my Spectre, Lidar and radar units and the STi or V1 is the best performer but remember the V1 is detectable, only about 250 mtrs but it is detectable.

Also remember a detector is NOT a police detector , it is a radar detector and it also doesnt make you invisible to the police, smart driving and a radar detector go hand in hand, stupid driving and radar detector means a fine ;)

[the1after909]

Yeb, SOUNDS very dodgy,send it back.

Well I sent it back and was sent a brand new replacement device. So far it seems to be working well but I'll let you know how it performs when I really need it,,, touch wood.

Thanks heaps to you guys for your advice and to radarlaser.com.au for handling my warranty claim without a fuss.


Well I sent it back and was sent a brand new replacement device. So far it seems to be working well but I'll let you know how it performs when I really need it,,, touch wood.

Thanks heaps to you guys for your advice and to radarlaser.com.au for handling my warranty claim without a fuss.

Here's a story with a sad ending - what ever happened to "happily ever after"?
I just got my Sti back from warranty on my last day of work before 2 weeks holidays, yeah! So I went home and got good and drunk for the weekend (why the hell not!.)

Come Monday, I thought I'd pop 'round to visit Mum (ya gotta visit ya Mum on ya holidays, and ya always get a free lunch if ya do! - thanx Mum).

I'd just got a new phone, so I chucked it on the car charger (in the ciggie plug) on my way over. I told myself, I'm not gonna speed today, I'm on holidays, just cruizin' about enjoying missing out on peak hours. So I unplugged the RD and chucked my phone on the charger, whacked it in it's cradle, suction cupped to the windscreen. Hey, it's a flash phone, with GPS, WIFI and all that.

So here I am pressin' buttons on the phone, not watching too well what's going on around me and I look up just in time to see the "filth" heading towards me. I hit the skids but it was too late! He lit up his xmas lights, chucked a U-ey and come after me!

I did consider for a moment hitting the juice pedal and ducking down any side street I came across, but I've watched too many episodes of COPS and know how that usually ends up.

:bawl:So I pulled over, blew in the tube and copped 3 points and a $150 fine for 80ks in a 60 zone.

I'm gonna hard wire that detector to the fusebox tomorrow and it aint ever gonna be switched off again!

[jaskel]

murphys law my friend ;)

[O5BRKY]

Now that's a BUMMER!
Hard wire it my friend.

[humdingerssv]

Does anyone know Pursuit1980's website?

I am interested in getting a V1 or Bell STi, but not having enough posts, I can't PM him.

Given the fact that whilst the detectors are legal in WA, am I better off witht he STI just incase the law does change? I figure if they do become illegal, I would have better chance of selling the STI where as the V1 would be worthless. Is the performance gain of the V1 over the STI really worth this risk?

ta'

Garry

[pursuit1980]

Does anyone know Pursuit1980's website?

I am interested in getting a V1 or Bell STi, but not having enough posts, I can't PM him.




Hi Garry,

Ive just sent you a PM with the details, I dont want to post the website address here and pi$$ off the mods, they can be quite touchy :rofl:

Thanks

[heavyduty1340]

Bought one

Never been busted since

Moved from Harley to Monaro and have loved it pop to stay safe

[VSSII]

Despite some comments justifying RD's (mainly the my mate said, I got told by my uncle's neighbour etc) I've never heard of anyone copping a blister for "5 over" in NSW, QLD, SA, WA. I can't speak for other states but static cameras are all signposted )minimum 3) and it''s no secret HWP are few and far between. 80 in a 60? If you're too busy fiddling with whatever it is to distract you to the point you don't know you're doing 20 over then I don't think anything more needs to be said.

[TUNDV8]

My old man looked into this scenario about 1.5 yrs back as he drives 200km and back sometimes twice a week for work. Thought about getting the Bel RD but then after some advice (and it might sound strange) got himself a good quality CB Radio. He never gets caught as the truckies are kind enough to let him know of any "spots" that are around and also what areas to avoid becuase of accidents... Do any of your detectors do that? :P haha

[iloveholden]

My old man looked into this scenario about 1.5 yrs back as he drives 200km and back sometimes twice a week for work. Thought about getting the Bel RD but then after some advice (and it might sound strange) got himself a good quality CB Radio. He never gets caught as the truckies are kind enough to let him know of any "spots" that are around and also what areas to avoid becuase of accidents... Do any of your detectors do that? :P haha

yeah if ya got a work ute or truck of some kind and you rack up the miles, having a cb radio is the way to go. Not sure about having on in an SS or clubby though :lol:

My dad used to have a police scanner too, they were cool so you could listen in on chases and the like :)

[TUNDV8]

My old man owns a silver VE SS. They all think he is undercover cop car lol.

[iloveholden]

Guys i want a Radar Detector again but i'll have to save up my pennies as they arnt cheap but a good investment i think.

What i want to know is - have there been any info on the legality of RD's in W.A, there are still legal as far as i know? is that going to change soon?

Im dont know whether to buy a V1 which is apparently the best performer but detecable or buy and STI (which are also good) but undetectable?

What do people mean by hardwired?, why not just have a portable attached to the windscreen?

Also wheres the best place in W.A to buy one and get it installed? How much?

Sorry for all the questions but im curious again about Rd's. :)

[jaskel]

Hi,

No laws for WA and I doubt there will be.

The V1 is a nice performer and has arrows and the STi is also nice, when I am in WA I always have the V1, I mean the STi is good but the V1 works far better in my books.

Hardwired mean wiring into the acc instead of plugging into the cig lighter.

Always mount it up near the rear view mirror for best results

Best place in oz to buy from without a doubt is www.dontgetcaught.com.au just speak to Sean and you will be looked after, many members on here can vouch for them!

Goodluck.

[iloveholden]

Hi,

No laws for WA and I doubt there will be.

The V1 is a nice performer and has arrows and the STi is also nice, when I am in WA I always have the V1, I mean the STi is good but the V1 works far better in my books.

Hardwired mean wiring into the acc instead of plugging into the cig lighter.

Always mount it up near the rear view mirror for best results

Best place in oz to buy from without a doubt is www.dontgetcaught.com.au just speak to Sean and you will be looked after, many members on here can vouch for them!

Goodluck.

Thanks mate you are a champ.

I think the V1 is the go here in W.A while there are no laws against R.D.

Well i better start saving my pennies to get one after i finish this semester at uni.

Cheers,

Michael.

[which12day]

Thanks mate you are a champ.

I think the V1 is the go here in W.A while there are no laws against R.D.

Well i better start saving my pennies to get one after i finish this semester at uni.

Cheers,

Michael.

Had one that wasn't supposed to be detectable, drove to Canberra, got pulled over by two gestapo looking police (full leather outfits includung caps, could have been from the Village People) 9 points and $1300 and took my toy. OUCH!

Keep away from NSW with it!

[jaskel]

Had one that wasn't supposed to be detectable, drove to Canberra, got pulled over by two gestapo looking police (full leather outfits includung caps, could have been from the Village People) 9 points and $1300 and took my toy. OUCH!

Keep away from NSW with it!

Yeah V1 is very detectable...see here:

YouTube - Valentine One Vs Spectre 4+ RDD (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mgb6hBONoUc)

[Teal]

Bought myself a beltronics STI the other week, so far it has been very good. Trip to kalgoorlie it picked up one cop car from about 3km away, but then again it didnt pick up the undercover car who kept his radar off until the last second :doh: first time I wasnt watching oncoming traffic theres mr plod.

As good as radar detectors are, you dont win everytime :D

[iloveholden]

Bought myself a beltronics STI the other week, so far it has been very good. Trip to kalgoorlie it picked up one cop car from about 3km away, but then again it didnt pick up the undercover car who kept his radar off until the last second :doh: first time I wasnt watching oncoming traffic theres mr plod.

As good as radar detectors are, you dont win everytime :D

Thats usually the way Teal.

Yeah the V1 is detectable, the STI is not.

Still saving for 1....

[bok1]

for nsw which radar detector do you guys reckon will work best in our state?

phil

[O5BRKY]

for nsw which radar detector do you guys reckon will work best in our state?

phil

Beltronics STi,not detectable:goodjob:

[jaskel]

also look at the STiR for a more stealth install and better performance!

http://www.dontgetcaught.com.au/catalog/item/5421084/5371731.htm

[Tony66]

I have the V1 and it is great. :goodjob:
Here in WA I don't care if it is detectable as its legal and I want the b****** coppers to know I am keeping them honest! :flipoff:

[O5BRKY]

also look at the STiR for a more stealth install and better performance!

http://www.dontgetcaught.com.au/catalog/item/5421084/5371731.htm

Yes,that's the other one,performance isn't to bad either.

[iloveholden]

radar detector couldnt come quick enough for me...got done this arvo in an 80 zone going up the bloody biggest hill in Perth :flipoff:

Not sure what i was doing maybe 90-95?:confused:

Funny thing was it went off about 3 or 4 times really quickly. I was in some traffic so if there is two cars in the picture do they not know who was speeding?

[pemier]

$1400....is that the right price?

[iloveholden]

Hey guys,

I was wondering if anyone knows pursuit1980's website for his online radar detector business?

I wish to contact him direct as im looking at purchasing a V1 and i would like pricing and other details.....i tried PM but he hasn't been on the forum to see it.

PM me if you like.

Cheers,

Michael.

[keepleft]

A couple of things;

a) The immature readership would do well to *not* buy a detector.

b) If you do own one; don't drive like a tool,- to do so is hot ammunition for the PC 'ban' brigade. Therefore, keep your speed and driving manner safe, always. The devices are not mean't to protect you from coming under police notice at idiot speeds.

c) You can thank WA Libs in particular for having the IQ to resist banning the devices. For you WA folk, the serious-attempt to 'ban' rd's by the road safety nazis goes back many years, and now resides over our heads nationally under ARR, for which WA 'opts out' under 'another law of this jurisdiction'.

It is quite appropriate to not ban the devices.



Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part No. 2901 - $70, or from Auto Parts Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item No. RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafe4.pdf

[iloveholden]

I'll use it as a "driving aid" to keep me more aware of my surroundings and the speed limits.

I'm not a chronic speeder but will just feel a little more relaxed with a RD in my car.....im definitely not a tool on the roads.

Cheers.

[Teal]

I had an ambulance come from head on while back sirens blazing... The radar picked him up from a fair way back.... WARNING.... Emergency Vehicle Approaching... kept going for a while after he had past too.... only time i have seen it do that...

[iloveholden]

I had an ambulance come from head on while back sirens blazing... The radar picked him up from a fair way back.... WARNING.... Emergency Vehicle Approaching... kept going for a while after he had past too.... only time i have seen it do that...

Do you have an STI radar detector?

[Sulty]

We had a dectector a while back and worked great in QLD . We went for a holiday into NSW and as soon as we crossed the border the cops got us and the was like $1000:vpo:

[iloveholden]

We had a dectector a while back and worked great in QLD . We went for a holiday into NSW and as soon as we crossed the border the cops got us and the was like $1000:vpo:

You need a STi-R mate....undetectable.

[Teal]

Do you have an STI radar detector?

Yeah mate thats the one... STI XR....

[iloveholden]

Yeah mate thats the one... STI XR....

Yeah thought so....my mates got one and they talk to you :)

I'm looking at a V1 myself.

[Resetar]

http://www.delonixradar.com.au/radar_detectors/best/index.php

This web site shows witch are the best please note to that the sti-R and the sti-XR are different and the sti-R is the only one properly test to be undetectable

[funkshen]

so the general consensus for those in WA is the V1?

where im located multi novas are not the main concern, HWP and the undercovers however..

Really interested in buying one. V1?

[iloveholden]

so the general consensus for those in WA is the V1?

where im located multi novas are not the main concern, HWP and the undercovers however..

Really interested in buying one. V1?

From all the info i've read....the V1 is the best radar detector for W.A with the beltronics STi-R coming in second.

In other state other than W.A would need an Sti.

[ls1 VN]

I have the V1 and it's alerted, saved me countless times, :bow: we only need to be 3 to 4kph over & we can get ticketed here.
If NZ do infact make them illegal looks like i will have a V1 to sell or better still swap for a Sti-r :)

[octanebfgt]

From all the info i've read....the V1 is the best radar detector for W.A with the beltronics STi-R coming in second.

In other state other than W.A would need an Sti.

I have had a V1 in WA now for about 12 months. Picks up multinovas with plenty of warning and has saved me from two police laser traps on the roe highway under the willeri rd bridge (for those that know perth).

Wouldnt be without it - big bucks at 700 but worth it. id rather give 700 to radars.net.au than mr plod

my apologies it was from http://www.radardetector.com.au/ and not radars.net.au that supplied me with the V1. They are in Morley and were awesome - let me swap a whistler for the V1 as i wanted the better laser performance.

[iloveholden]

I have had a V1 in WA now for about 12 months. Picks up multinovas with plenty of warning and has saved me from two police laser traps on the roe highway under the willeri rd bridge (for those that know perth).

Wouldnt be without it - big bucks at 700 but worth it. id rather give 700 to radars.net.au than mr plod

my apologies it was from http://www.radardetector.com.au/ and not radars.net.au that supplied me with the V1. They are in Morley and were awesome - let me swap a whistler for the V1 as i wanted the better laser performance.

Thanks mate....i will check them out too :)


Thanks mate....i will check them out too :)

Well i just did.....i might have to send them an email soon i think...

The V1 is $795 there compared to $900 elsewhere......plus you get a free $49 gift hehe

octanebfgt what were they like to deal with?

Did they hardwire yours into your car? Did they do a good job?

[octanebfgt]

OK - I have got my URLs confused again lol - dunno why all these radar places have radar in the URL.

I purchased my V1 from http://www.radars.com.au/contact.php in Morley (08 9370 4038).

They did not hardwire the kit so I can't make any comment on their installation abilities. I have nothing but praise for the V1 from real world experiences and radars.com.au were really good to deal with - as mentioned above I initially purchased a Whistler and after further research I thought the V1 was worth the extra money - I believe it has far superior laser detection to others although I have never tried the Bel Sti - all I can say is the V1 has twice picked up lasers from a speed trap (I presume from them aiming at the cars in front of me). I know the cops are tendering for laser based replacements for the Multinova so I thought it would be more future proof.

The only downside with the V1 from my experience is the amount of stuff it picks up on K band (although this can be disabled if you go into u mode - the default is uppercase U mode). It also appears to detect other radar detectors on Ka band from oncoming traffic. I know this is the case because Ka often goes off when I am stopped at traffic lights if an oncoming car has a detector.

It also has front and rear detectors and again these appear to work very well. I approach a multinova and the front detector goes off, as I pass it both detectors go off, and after I pass it the rear detector continues to goes off I assume from reflected radar behind me.

Hope this helps and apologies again for getting my Urls mixed up.

Believe it or not youtube was a great research tool for these things. radars.com.au have posted various video tests there

PS I have no affiliation with Valentine or radars.com.au in Morley.

[iloveholden]

OK - I have got my URLs confused again lol - dunno why all these radar places have radar in the URL.

I purchased my V1 from http://www.radars.com.au/contact.php in Morley (08 9370 4038).

They did not hardwire the kit so I can't make any comment on their installation abilities. I have nothing but praise for the V1 from real world experiences and radars.com.au were really good to deal with - as mentioned above I initially purchased a Whistler and after further research I thought the V1 was worth the extra money - I believe it has far superior laser detection to others although I have never tried the Bel Sti - all I can say is the V1 has twice picked up lasers from a speed trap (I presume from them aiming at the cars in front of me). I know the cops are tendering for laser based replacements for the Multinova so I thought it would be more future proof.

The only downside with the V1 from my experience is the amount of stuff it picks up on K band (although this can be disabled if you go into u mode - the default is uppercase U mode). It also appears to detect other radar detectors on Ka band from oncoming traffic. I know this is the case because Ka often goes off when I am stopped at traffic lights if an oncoming car has a detector.

It also has front and rear detectors and again these appear to work very well. I approach a multinova and the front detector goes off, as I pass it both detectors go off, and after I pass it the rear detector continues to goes off I assume from reflected radar behind me.

Hope this helps and apologies again for getting my Urls mixed up.

Believe it or not youtube was a great research tool for these things. radars.com.au have posted various video tests there

PS I have no affiliation with Valentine or radars.com.au in Morley.

Thanks mate.....the link you gave was fine....it directs me to the guys in Morely.

I think the V1 is the go here in W.A and i have read about them picking up random things in K band before but when it comes to picking up a true K or Ka band they are apparently the best....good to hear about the Laser detection as well.

I'll send these guys a email as others that i've tried to contact havnt got back to me as yet plus these guys have a sale on atm,

Cheers mate,

Michael.

[iloveholden]

Just got an email back from radars.com.au here in Morley.

They are out of stock of the V1 to start :bawl:

Its around $150 to hardwire the detector into my commodore :shock: even though they admit its an easy job....where else can i get a detector installed?

I heard its only a cost of around $30 or so?

Also this is the first place which is not reccomending the V1....i'm set on a V1 though :confused:

Any ideas people or more opinions on the V1?

This is the article he said to read;

http://www.radars.com.au/best-radar-detector.php

He just sent this after i said from my research a V1 in euro mode is best suited to W.A;

"V1 in Euro mode does not detect 35.1gzh, which is now being used by some patrol cars in WA, and in all likely hood, will become more widespread. So we do not recommend using a V1 in Euro mode typically"

What do you guys think?

Guys with a V1......Are there many false alerts?

[iloveholden]

Well i finally received my V1 radar detector on Wednesday and now have it in my car and although i've had a go at programming it to my liking i will adjust a few things to do with k band.

Haven't been past a ka band yet or Laser although i did pass a copper tonight but he didnt have his radar on as i didnt pick him up at all.

Any recommendations on where to get it hardwired in my car here in Perth?

:)

[diabolic]

Well i finally received my V1 radar detector on Wednesday and now have it in my car and although i've had a go at programming it to my liking i will adjust a few things to do with k band.

Haven't been past a ka band yet or Laser although i did pass a copper tonight but he didnt have his radar on as i didnt pick him up at all.

Any recommendations on where to get it hardwired in my car here in Perth?

:)
Mate for $10 and 15 minutes you can do it yourself! Seriously..

$150 is an absolute joke.

Dan

[iloveholden]

Mate for $10 and 15 minutes you can do it yourself! Seriously..

$150 is an absolute joke.

Dan

Yeah $150 is a joke and thats why i didnt get it installed where i bought the radar detector....do it myself? maybe but i think for $30-$50 i'd get a pro to do it rather than have myself mucking around :)