VE 243kph speed limiter

[TYREFRIAR]

Anyone been on the limiter, or had the speed limiter turned [tuned] off on VE?



Mine [ve ssv], and another [ve ss] both 243kph and no faster, the soft tarp doesnt blow off, and didnt get to try the wipers, but hopefully they dont just go up the screen over 220kph and not come down again like my VU and VY MALOO R8s did.

[vess]

Well done mate - what revs where you doing at that kind of speed?

[Gonadman2]

Yea I've hit it before, car felt very stable up to around 220km/h, but started to get a little twitchy past that. Still the best car I've driven at that speed (which is only a couple). Did it the once, not really planning on doing it again.

[blackbettyhsv]

had my R8 up to 230kmh, had to back off cause I ran out of road, but had heeps left. maybe I will start the run up earlier now that you have brought that up, but not this time of year, too many senior sergant backers around!!!!!!!!!!

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

Its actually a 250km/h speed limiter, 245 km/h if the coolant temp is too high and 160km/h if the computers cant talk. It can certainly be set higher.....

Jez

[Tyre biter]

Peter Robinson is his and Holden's book on the VE (Autobiography) says (from Holden) the VE's speed is limited to 250km/h and I think he said that without the limiter it is good for 254km/h or something like that (it wasn't much more).

Cheers,

[1HotSSV]

Peter Robinson is his and Holden's book on the VE (Autobiography) says (from Holden) the VE's speed is limited to 250km/h and I think he said that without the limiter it is good for 254km/h or something like that (it wasn't much more).

Cheers,

I read that the limiter was set for 250, saw my digital readout at 254 once, but the GPS said 248 before I ran out of road.

[TYREFRIAR]

Its actually a 250km/h speed limiter, 245 km/h if the coolant temp is too high and 160km/h if the computers cant talk. It can certainly be set higher.....

Jez

If its 250, 243kph is it, perhaps start of soft limiter? if it has one, rather than a "hard cut" ?

The weather wouldnt of seen coolant temps to high, i would of thought every time.

[Gonadman2]

Peter Robinson is his and Holden's book on the VE (Autobiography) says (from Holden) the VE's speed is limited to 250km/h and I think he said that without the limiter it is good for 254km/h or something like that (it wasn't much more).

Cheers,
I would have thought it would be a bit more than that. Motor tested the VZ SV8 to 263km/h and they only made 250kw(?). The VE is heavier but does have an extra 20kw, and shorter gearing (monaro ratios) so theoretically it should be as fast if not faster.

[Steve-LS2]

All of this speed limiter testing has been achieved on closed race tracks at sanctioned track days right?

[macca_779]

All of this speed limiter testing has been achieved on closed race tracks at sanctioned track days right?

Yeah right.. I'd like to see a racetrack where I could find top speed in my car

[Steve-LS2]

Yeah right.. I'd like to see a racetrack where I could find top speed in my car

I find it disturbing that people on this forum bag some guy for getting booked for doing 207 and then others advocate high speed driving on public roads to test speed limiters

[Evman]

Peter Robinson is his and Holden's book on the VE (Autobiography) says (from Holden) the VE's speed is limited to 250km/h and I think he said that without the limiter it is good for 254km/h or something like that (it wasn't much more).

I "ordered" that for one of my Christmas pressies...I'm hangin out for it!


I find it disturbing that people on this forum bag some guy for getting booked for doing 207 and then others advocate high speed driving on public roads to test speed limiters

Agreed.

[Gonadman2]

I find it disturbing that people on this forum bag some guy for getting booked for doing 207 and then others advocate high speed driving on public roads to test speed limiters

There are a lot of different types of people that use these forums.

I posted in the thread mentioned, and I didn't bag him out at all.

There are places (usually outside of the metro areas) where it is reasonably (ie you are only going to hurt yourself if something goes wrong) safe to do a top speed run. Just driving to Perth last week we drive through several sections of road that are flat and straight for more than 10km.

[Brandonsdad]

All of this speed limiter testing has been achieved on closed race tracks at sanctioned track days right?

Nope, South Eastern Freeway, Murray Bridge to Adelaide. Got to 237 and thought that was enough and didnt even look at RPM as I didnt want to take my eyes off the road any longer than I had to. No chance of a head-on and no cars for miles ahead so planted it. The only ones in danger were the bugs on my front window, any rabbit, fox or kangaroo that decided to wander on the road and..........oh, myself.
Next time I do it, I"ll go on one of the Autobahns in Europe. Is it still unrestricted in parts of NT. A long way to go to test the rev limiter, but closer than Germany.

[Idiocyxplained]

negative on the nt dude, the govt in there wisdom decided that 130km/hr is the new limited speed.... shithouse as it still takes a fair bit to get passed a road train, but hey you get that. Theres still a shitload of straight and good road though....

[vt2vx]

you know some have you have posted that you have broken the limited by more than 130 kph in a public forum. you also have pictures of your cars in other threads showing you number plates.

and you have heard of the utube clowns being caught.:confused:

[Brandonsdad]

you know some have you have posted that you have broken the limited by more than 130 kph in a public forum. you also have pictures of your cars in other threads showing you number plates.

and you have heard of the utube clowns being caught.:confused:

Not my car for sale mate. Thats if you refer to me.

[CSP]

I love how in this thread someone's talking about getting to the speed limiter at 240+ kph and getting congrats, but in the thread about the dude that got busted he's a complete moron...

Just an observation.

[vt2vx]

Not my car for sale mate. Thats if you refer to me.
no i didn't look for yours, just tried one quick search for threads started by a user to see, found in 2 minutes.

[planetdavo]

Nope, South Eastern Freeway, Murray Bridge to Adelaide. Got to 237 and thought that was enough and didnt even look at RPM as I didnt want to take my eyes off the road any longer than I had to. No chance of a head-on and no cars for miles ahead so planted it. The only ones in danger were the bugs on my front window, any rabbit, fox or kangaroo that decided to wander on the road and..........oh, myself.
Next time I do it, I"ll go on one of the Autobahns in Europe. Is it still unrestricted in parts of NT. A long way to go to test the rev limiter, but closer than Germany.
I'm sure your family and friends would be pleased to know that you were only endangering your own life with this stupidity, if something had actually sent you off the road, like a local farmer pulling out onto that quiet road, or a roo jumping in front of you for example. Either can happen quite suddenly.
Now what was it some of us have said in the past about why forums will NEVER be taken seriously in the "real world"...?
That's right, because of forum members doing stupid acts like this!

[plonkerchops]

looks like the Peoples Poet has spoken...................

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

Peter Robinson is his and Holden's book on the VE (Autobiography) says (from Holden) the VE's speed is limited to 250km/h and I think he said that without the limiter it is good for 254km/h or something like that (it wasn't much more).

Cheers,

http://www.selectpergolas.com.au/jez/speed-limit.jpg

Stock VE MY08 SSV A6

[Brandonsdad]

I'm sure your family and friends would be pleased to know that you were only endangering your own life with this stupidity, if something had actually sent you off the road, like a local farmer pulling out onto that quiet road, or a roo jumping in front of you for example. Either can happen quite suddenly.
Now what was it some of us have said in the past about why forums will NEVER be taken seriously in the "real world"...?
That's right, because of forum members doing stupid acts like this!

We all take chances in life...........

[seedyrom]

We all take chances in life...........

yup!!

the most fatal location is the bathroom.

[Brandonsdad]

yup!!

the most fatal location is the bathroom.

Youre joking, Im never going in there again.

[SS Enforcer]

http://www.selectpergolas.com.au/jez/speed-limit.jpg

Stock VE MY08 SSV A6

That can be reset to 499 I believe :hide:

cheers

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

That can be reset to 499 I believe :hide:

cheers

512 actually :p

[oz-riley]

I'm sure your family and friends would be pleased to know that you were only endangering your own life with this stupidity, if something had actually sent you off the road, like a local farmer pulling out onto that quiet road, or a roo jumping in front of you for example. Either can happen quite suddenly.
Now what was it some of us have said in the past about why forums will NEVER be taken seriously in the "real world"...?
That's right, because of forum members doing stupid acts like this!
New to this forum as I have just upgraded my car to a VE Calais V, but I am a member of the XR6 Turbo forum (Old Car) and a heap of Bike forums my favorite being the R1 forum I have an 06 R1 as well.

The fun Police also turn up on these forums also, I never quite got why you would own a preformance car or bike and then bag people in a forum designed for people with this kind of intrest for "Going to fast".
Is it just that you want to look good and have people think your a speed demon but in reality your not.

Like all the guys that rush out and buy the Liter Bikes and then go out for Cappichinos on Chapel Street (Prahran), they only ever wear a strip down the centre of there tirers and would never have the balls to actually lay it down in a bend.

Just an obsivation but I thought if your going to buy a big V8 to look good why bag others for actually using it.

As for the dude who said that the authorities could use this against you, yer right.
Easy to defend "sorry I was just mouthing off, I would never really do that officer". It would be hearsay anyway.

cheers
Chris

[NODDY347]

While we are on the subject of high speed, was chatting to mate who's brother live's in the UK and shipped his Callaway 300kw HSV GTS with him.

Anyway was on an autobahn in Germany recently while on holiday and thought he'd open her up, topped out at 280kph and whilst doing this passed a fair few exotics. Apparently there is some gentlemans aggreement between the euro car builders atm that most of the german sports stuff have 250kph speed limiters.

Even had Ferrari that level pegged him for a while and then squeezed the throttle to show him what he had left. He said he had a number of people ask him what it was on the trip, he was pretty chuffed with the whole expereince. Only problem is his box now his considerably more noisy after the highspeed stuff.

[TAKEITEZ]

Anyway was on an autobahn in Germany recently while on holiday and thought he'd open her up, topped out at 280kph and whilst doing this passed a fair few exotics. Apparently there is some gentlemans aggreement between the euro car builders atm that most of the german sports stuff have 250kph speed limiters.
correct mate...
a lot of big european luxo barges have the limiter set at 250... much like japans old 206kw thing... i guess then the only thing to do is see how fast you can GET to the limiter... thats the fun part, the feeling of being pinned into the seat getting upto those speeds...

i can also understand the box getting a little noisy after that kinda thing. imagine the speeds those poor little bearings and gears are going at inside the thing!!!
imagine how fast the tailshaft is spinning at 280kph with a 3.9 ratio diff... it'd be mental!!!

we do build fast car's here for little money... its quite cool to think that an auto VZ Maloo is the worlds fastest ute at 270 something...
i think limiters now are becoming more common... manufacturers trying to seem more responsible???
tuners can fix it :)

i had a friendly police officer tell me in victoria that his VE SS cop bus was too slow... having wound it out to 245kph on one stretch of very public road for no reason other than the fact he wanted to see how fast it'd go...
doesn't sound too unfamiliar really... i think everyone does it at least once in their car owning life!!!

i've never been so frightened in my life as taking my old datsun 1200 upto 135kph down a hill once... dare i say that was more dangerous than doing the double ton in a commodore that can actually handle it

[UCNUNV]

My limiter was at 215km/h or so... tuned now so assume its done, but doesnt matter wont be reaching that again untill my car is fast enough to do it on the 1/4mile.

[TAKEITEZ]

i think utes have had low (200 - 220) limiters for some time... since way back in the VS days.
i believe it was due to the tyres available at the time being able to hold the weight but not the speed... a tyre good for the speeds the ute were capable of, couldn't hold the weight they wanted.
so as a compromise they fitted tyres to carry big stuff, and dropped the speed limiter of the vehicle down to what the tyres were capable of...

HSV run a stupidly low weight capacity so can run to a higher limiter with higher quality 18 or 19" tyres standard...

hitting 200+ at the drag strip is a pretty good effort so if your car can do that you'll love it!!! mine only hits 175 - 180 if i keep in it a bit after the line, then it gets a bit scary in our rough braking area which feels too short... i'd hate to be doing 350kph down there in a decent drag car!!!

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

i think utes have had low (200 - 220) limiters for some time... since way back in the VS days.
i believe it was due to the tyres available at the time being able to hold the weight but not the speed... a tyre good for the speeds the ute were capable of, couldn't hold the weight they wanted.
so as a compromise they fitted tyres to carry big stuff, and dropped the speed limiter of the vehicle down to what the tyres were capable of...



Yup it was 210 km/h speed limited. I was told its because if you dont have the hard or soft cover on it can blow the tailgate latches off. If you look back @ 160km/h on a soft cover the steel support rods are inverted. Imagine 210km/h+!!

Jez

[Oztrack Tuning]

I have an exhaust gas temp sensor im about to install and start logging. That will add an extra dimension to things once all the data is in :)

[planetdavo]

looks like the Peoples Poet has spoken...................

I'll add you to the idiot class that condone this on public roads then obviously...
There is a time and a place for this. PRIVATE ROADS AND ON THE TRACK.


New to this forum as I have just upgraded my car to a VE Calais V, but I am a member of the XR6 Turbo forum (Old Car) and a heap of Bike forums my favorite being the R1 forum I have an 06 R1 as well.

The fun Police also turn up on these forums also, I never quite got why you would own a preformance car or bike and then bag people in a forum designed for people with this kind of intrest for "Going to fast".
Is it just that you want to look good and have people think your a speed demon but in reality your not.

Like all the guys that rush out and buy the Liter Bikes and then go out for Cappichinos on Chapel Street (Prahran), they only ever wear a strip down the centre of there tirers and would never have the balls to actually lay it down in a bend.

Just an obsivation but I thought if your going to buy a big V8 to look good why bag others for actually using it.

As for the dude who said that the authorities could use this against you, yer right.
Easy to defend "sorry I was just mouthing off, I would never really do that officer". It would be hearsay anyway.

cheers
Chris
Two loads of young people were recently killed in Victoria doing "just" 160km/h approx, one lot on the massively open and clear visibilty Westgate Freeway. Here's this thread talking about around 240!
Comments like yours, suggesting that the fun police are spoiling peoples pleasure in life, simply show you to be a selfish idiot. People modify all sorts of cars for all sorts of reasons, but to assume it is your "right" to drive flat out on the road, in the name of "fun", will put someone in the ground one day. Most probably someone else too, not yourself.
I modified the Monaro because I simply wanted a Monaro the way I would have liked Holden to have built it...:flipoff:

Keep it to the track.

[keepleft]

Nope, South Eastern Freeway, Murray Bridge to Adelaide. Got to 237 and thought that was enough and didnt even look at RPM as I didnt want to take my eyes off the road any longer than I had to. No chance of a head-on and no cars for miles ahead so planted it. The only ones in danger were the bugs on my front window, any rabbit, fox or kangaroo that decided to wander on the road and..........oh, myself.
Next time I do it, I"ll go on one of the Autobahns in Europe. Is it still unrestricted in parts of NT. A long way to go to test the rev limiter, but closer than Germany.

Legal warning; again, folk *must* be very cautious when it comes to posting what it is they get up too on public roads on what are public forums. Is this a restriction on the 'freedom' to write 'stuff'? Yes, but then, do you think in court, 'Harolds' - or women against war types, as jury, would care?

Idio-etc notified you of NT's new speed limits, imposed January 1, 2007. The rural default in NT is 110km/h and 130km/h is signposted on key highways. Now, because NT's road toll went UP, like duh Fred, ALP-NT 'talk' is to remove the 130km/h signposted speed limits and place instead 110km/h signs. We'll see.

They just can't get it right with 'speed' in NT, indeed in AUS. Our rural defaults are way too high, and yet we could (and can) - use speed derestriction on high-standard road lengths, and that *would* actually save lives, this is despite the hysteria eminating from the likes of Harold Scruby and other whingers. Move - would bring greater compliance with existing posted speed limits, - again, IF we go down that path.

NT's road toll, ALMOST a year on since speed limits imposed:-
http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/PFES/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&p=148

This website, has been appropriately,- championing a return to speed derestriction. You can buy a T-Shirt etc, I have a couple and recommend them. I scribble on the site but am not personally involved with the group:-
http://www.keepntlimitfree.org/Forum/tabid/185/forumid/1/scope/threads/Default.aspx



As for the dude who said that the authorities could use this against you, yer right.
Easy to defend "sorry I was just mouthing off, I would never really do that officer". It would be hearsay anyway.
cheers
Chris
Too funny. You would be the easiest target to take out in court my friend, and I don't mean you to take personal offence, just use your head.



I'll add you to the idiot class that condone this on public roads then obviously...
There is a time and a place for this. PRIVATE ROADS AND ON THE TRACK.

Two loads of young people were recently killed in Victoria doing "just" 160km/h approx, one lot on the massively open and clear visibilty Westgate Freeway. Here's this thread talking about around 240! Keep it to the track.
I agree with your tone, but will point out that the particular episode was with a car full of young people, and an inexperienced driver. No two circumstance is the same. Whatever you do people, keep it safe and note the applicable speed limit or derestriction.

That said, legal danger exists in admitting to such activity.


Advocacy mode, don't take offence ladies:-
Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[planetdavo]

[I]

I agree with your tone, but will point out that the particular episode was with a car full of young people, and an inexperienced driver. No two circumstance is the same. Whatever you do people, keep it safe and note the applicable speed limit or derestriction.

That said, legal danger exists in admitting to such activity.

I do wonder if an older driver that freely admits to public speed demon activities really is a whole lot safer than the young guy having a drag race on a wide, smooth multi lane freeway. I see just as many older idiots on the road as younger idiots.
Both cases share one major factor- ATTITUDE.

[calais-346]

Id like to know what the ratio of accidents is either side of 150kmph, id say your paying a hell of alot more atention at high speed then tottering at 100,

I believe high speed is safe in the right circumstances.....if the driver is competent, and the care is safe and capable of such speeds.....just look across the ocean, but australia wont ever have the quality of roads we need, we cover greater distances the most other contries between cities

[planetdavo]

I agree, with a suitable level of advanced training. Aussie licenses almost get dished out in Cornflakes boxes though, and that is half the problem. Half of Australia wouldn't have a hope of passing the tests required to get a license for the autobahns, because they think it's their "right" to have a license, not a "privilige". Half of Australia is too lazy and selfish to even use an indicator most of the time! Imagine them concentrating on doing 200km/h!
Yet again, it's down to attitude.

[BLACK 346]

Nope, South Eastern Freeway, Murray Bridge to Adelaide. Got to 237 and thought that was enough and didnt even look at RPM as I didnt want to take my eyes off the road any longer than I had to. No chance of a head-on and no cars for miles ahead so planted it. The only ones in danger were the bugs on my front window, any rabbit, fox or kangaroo that decided to wander on the road and..........oh, myself.

Your a brave man posting this in the Public Section of the Forum
for all and sundry to see, especially with the large amount of
Police officers that frequent this and these sort of sites :1peek:


The fun Police also turn up on these forums also

Yep, and some of them actually wear uniforms and carry a badge
and gun :)

[Steve-LS2]

Id like to know what the ratio of accidents is either side of 150kmph, id say your paying a hell of alot more atention at high speed then tottering at 100,

I believe high speed is safe in the right circumstances.....if the driver is competent, and the care is safe and capable of such speeds.....just look across the ocean, but australia wont ever have the quality of roads we need, we cover greater distances the most other contries between cities

You make a fair point, but who says who is a competent driver, who says your car is safe and capable?

In Victoria you only need to get a RWC when you purchase your car, imagine some of the cars on the road down here, they are death traps and if the were derestrictions on speed limits here there would be way more deaths.

Speed limits are imposed because of situations like this, there is simply no other way you can manage things like this any other way.

Just because some cars can do high speed driving safely, it doesn't mean the driver can.

I have done defensive and advanced driving courses when i was about 20 and it made me over confident and as a consquence i had a couple of accidents and got pinged for speeding a lot.

I learnt my lesson and now i rarely speed, however there are many people that as planetdavo said too many people see their license as a right not a privelege.

Don't write about speeding on a public forum, end of story, it is not only irresponsible but it is dangerous.

How many under 25's are on this forum reading this thinking "Oh wow 250km speed limiter, it'll be sick to show my mates" and then theres another headline on the news.

You dont want that on your consciences do you???

[BLACK 346]

I learnt my lesson and now i rarely speed, however there are many people that as planetdavo said too many people see their license as a right not a privelege.

I nearly learnt my lesson the hard way a couple of years back in the
NT. Doing well over the 2 dollar mark a Kombi van full of backpackers
decided to pull out in front of me, you reckon I could pull up with
my Standard sized slotted rotors and Ferodo Pads? Not a bloody
chance in hell, ended up steering around them and luckily nothing
was coming the other way. Was certainly a good little wake up
call for me.
Good post by the way Steve-LS2, the whole post I mean.

[keepleft]

I agree, with a suitable level of advanced training. Aussie licenses almost get dished out in Cornflakes boxes though, and that is half the problem. Half of Australia wouldn't have a hope of passing the tests required to get a license for the autobahns, because they think it's their "right" to have a license, not a "privilige". Half of Australia is too lazy and selfish to even use an indicator most of the time! Imagine them concentrating on doing 200km/h!
Yet again, it's down to attitude.

I have to say here, that owing when the Commonwealth kicked off the National Driver Training program back in December 15, 2004 - that things are a changin'. Development continues. Contributory trial states are VIC and NSW.

You see being developed a tier-level graduated licensing system, L, P1, P2 with some harmonisation of 'key factors' that are being adopted by the states and territories already. The 'system' is directly European Union in source, and its emphasis is on the defensive driver components. Even the handbooks offer practical 'commonsense' advice now, items that were not part of older driver manual editions, my advocacy-sig is an example.

It, the system, will seek to identify 'cowboy elements' in order to initiate remedial measures as to behaviour and attitude.

In this respect, its not anywhere as easy to 'get a license' as it was prior to say 1979. Those who obtained licenses early than that, indeed earlier than the 80's have no real appreciation of developments to date in driver licensing.

COST: The jurisdictions will charge what they may for each step/stage.

Change to driver licensing natiionally takes time, and governments demand the system be equitable and fair, and implementable - coast to coast.

Again, time + results = be patient.



Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[planetdavo]

Excellent input the keepleft. We can all only hope it works. However, "improvements" like logbooking 120 hours of experience in (say) the parents car worry me though. I've lost count of the number of times I've had (for example) a "Mums taxi" Territory almost inside my boot tailgating me, just because I dare to do 40km/h through the school zones, trying not to run over someones kid. These same people are then giving their teenage kids "experience" for their logbook!
Yes it's harder than it was to get a license, but it's still far from difficult.
The recent multiple fatality on the Westgate Freeway from two cars drag racing, with all deaths being people under 21, shows just how far any impovements need to go yet.

[Gonadman2]

How many under 25's are on this forum reading this thinking "Oh wow 250km speed limiter, it'll be sick to show my mates" and then theres another headline on the news.

You dont want that on your consciences do you???

Spoken like a true Government/RTA whipped pussy. If you, or the kiddies speeding can't make your own decisions about the speed you wish to do, then you deserve all the speed camera's and current speed policies we have in this country.

If I said that I can jump off a 3 storey building and land safely, that its on my conscience if someone else tries it and doesn't? We are responsible for our own actions. The fact that we can share idea's and experiences is what separates us from the monkeys.

[keepleft]

The EU sourced program seeks to reduce parental influence so common errors are not passed onto driver candidates. The program employs 'facilitators' who discuss 'things' with pupil primarily, but also with driving instructors (who must be accredited in the system).

Young drivers are always over-represented in the road toll, that reality applies throughout the world including Germany.

With manual control of motor vehicles, that will always be the case.

NSW Staysafes Paul Gibson once said a reality is that 0.01% of NSW P platers (those holding a license naturally) will die in a crash, quite right, but that as a group- they are over-represented in crashes, also sooo true.

We have a long way to go on many fronts with traffic safety. I want a mandatory rear fog (ADR52 - recind ADR13 Part 8.5.1), triangle (to UNECE 27R spec), vest (to EN471), first aid kit (to AS), 900-1kg fire extinguisher (to AS) in all cars , vans, 4WD (ADR categories MA, MB, MC). That will happen some year, come hell or high water. We need to get serious and target all areas.


Purchase a hazard-warning triangle for your car to improve the ‘warning-time’ given to approaching traffic, at both crash scenes and vehicle breakdowns. Store it in the boot. I suggest Hella Part Number 2901 - $70, or from Auto Accessory Shops, - supplier "Prokit" - Item Number RG9212 - $20. A World/Euro standard triangle device exceeding AS3790 triangle performance requirements. http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_drivesafebook_part4.pdf

[xploit]

Ive even had the VE six banger - SV6 to 247 thats when mine limits out.

thought the SS would be more?

Dave

Jesus christ steve... get over yourself. believe it or not us young people do have a mind of our own and oh my god we can make our own decisions what everyone forgets is that we arnt 5 year olds ffs.

Yes ive had my car that quick, but who cares??? there was no one with me at the time, i know my car, i know the strip it was on like the back of my hand.

God people like you piss me off.. and every other bloody p - plater.

You know half the reason p platers are hoons and idiots is because everyone treats us like a kid - idiots like yourself that think we arnt capable of making our own decisions.

So wow shock bloody horror when a p plater goes nuts.

So over represented and steve where are you getting your facts from? ... the media?? - haha what a joke.. or your own prejudice?

Jesus christ mate..

... There is absoloutely no hope for future p platers... as long as the community has this view.. ffs... you know we would be safer if we were p platers that didnt have to display them? then the view wouldnt be as bad...

You just dont remember when a fully licensed driver does something stupid.. but as soon as a p plater does it theres an outrage!

Bah! this thread sucks...

Dave

[Devil CV8]

Your a brave man posting this in the Public Section of the Forum
for all and sundry to see, especially with the large amount of
Police officers that frequent this and these sort of sites :1peek:

Not really, unless he confirms it to the police if/when they front him. Writing it here even if it was proven that he wrote it does not make you guilty. A lot of people blow it when talking to the police and end up making admissions. same with pics and video, alone they mean nothing, but tie it in with admissions and you are done.

[Steve-LS2]

Ive even had the VE six banger - SV6 to 247 thats when mine limits out.

thought the SS would be more?

Dave

Jesus christ steve... get over yourself. believe it or not us young people do have a mind of our own and oh my god we can make our own decisions what everyone forgets is that we arnt 5 year olds ffs.

Yes ive had my car that quick, but who cares??? there was no one with me at the time, i know my car, i know the strip it was on like the back of my hand.

God people like you piss me off.. and every other bloody p - plater.

You know half the reason p platers are hoons and idiots is because everyone treats us like a kid - idiots like yourself that think we arnt capable of making our own decisions.

So wow shock bloody horror when a p plater goes nuts.

So over represented and steve where are you getting your facts from? ... the media?? - haha what a joke.. or your own prejudice?

Jesus christ mate..

... There is absoloutely no hope for future p platers... as long as the community has this view.. ffs... you know we would be safer if we were p platers that didnt have to display them? then the view wouldnt be as bad...

You just dont remember when a fully licensed driver does something stupid.. but as soon as a p plater does it theres an outrage!

Bah! this thread sucks...

Dave

This is the sort of retarted diatribe a typipcally moronic under 20 would come out with.

When you next have your SV6 at 247kms you had better hope no one is coming the other way, an animal runs across the road or worse some pedestrians, not unlike that guy in Mildura that killed those 4 kids walking along the road.

You, and all other p platers, need to realise you are NOT bulletproof and that you actually have to share the road with buses, pedestrians, other cars, cyclists aqnd trucks.

You need to respect the fact that you have a license and not treat it like a right.

Fully licensed drivers that do this ARE far worse than p platers and that wasn't my argument in the first place, if you read from the start you would realise that i was attempting to understand why people would post on a forum telling the whole world why they are speeding at 2.5 times the highest legal limit in VIC.

What you need to do is pull your head out of your arse and have some F&%$ing respect for the road and the other poeple on it.

Grow up, poeple who have kids have a different view on things such as this so you need to put yourself in other peoples shoes once in a while.

PS - I hope your car is impounded the next time you feel like you can do whatever speed you like on a road that I drive on too.

[mac06]

Ive even had the VE six banger - SV6 to 247 thats when mine limits out.

thought the SS would be more?

Dave

Jesus christ steve... get over yourself. believe it or not us young people do have a mind of our own and oh my god we can make our own decisions what everyone forgets is that we arnt 5 year olds ffs.

Yes ive had my car that quick, but who cares??? there was no one with me at the time, i know my car, i know the strip it was on like the back of my hand.

God people like you piss me off.. and every other bloody p - plater.

You know half the reason p platers are hoons and idiots is because everyone treats us like a kid - idiots like yourself that think we arnt capable of making our own decisions.

So wow shock bloody horror when a p plater goes nuts.

So over represented and steve where are you getting your facts from? ... the media?? - haha what a joke.. or your own prejudice?

Jesus christ mate..

... There is absoloutely no hope for future p platers... as long as the community has this view.. ffs... you know we would be safer if we were p platers that didnt have to display them? then the view wouldnt be as bad...

You just dont remember when a fully licensed driver does something stupid.. but as soon as a p plater does it theres an outrage!

Bah! this thread sucks...

Dave

Spoken like a true 19yo P-plater. At your age I would have probably said the same thing. Only growing up changed my outlook on driving and I guess only growing up will change yours, that is, if you don't kill yourself or someone else first. P-platers are targeted because they have the attitude you display, not because they have P-plates.

[BLACK 346]

Not really, unless he confirms it to the police if/when they front him. Writing it here even if it was proven that he wrote it does not make you guilty. A lot of people blow it when talking to the police and end up making admissions. same with pics and video, alone they mean nothing, but tie it in with admissions and you are done.

Maybe so, but as a family man that holds a job that requires a
very clean record it would not be the attention that I would want,
whether they could convict me or not.

[cashie]

Can we close this thread before the forum is dragged down any further by this lunatics !?!

[BLACK 346]

Can we close this thread before the forum is dragged down any further by this lunatics !?!

Good call.

[Steve-LS2]

Can we close this thread before the forum is dragged down any further by this lunatics !?!

The whole thread needs to be deleted.

[plonkerchops]

I'll add you to the idiot class that condone this on public roads then obviously...
There is a time and a place for this. PRIVATE ROADS AND ON THE TRACK.


Two loads of young people were recently killed in Victoria doing "just" 160km/h approx, one lot on the massively open and clear visibilty Westgate Freeway. Here's this thread talking about around 240!
Comments like yours, suggesting that the fun police are spoiling peoples pleasure in life, simply show you to be a selfish idiot. People modify all sorts of cars for all sorts of reasons, but to assume it is your "right" to drive flat out on the road, in the name of "fun", will put someone in the ground one day. Most probably someone else too, not yourself.
I modified the Monaro because I simply wanted a Monaro the way I would have liked Holden to have built it...:flipoff:

Keep it to the track.

think what you like ' Davo ' , of course you have a modified car and have never ever broken the speed limit to any degree in it, you being the track day king that you are...
Thanks for keeping me honest...

[Evman]

YouTube - RTA HOON AD, MOCK UP. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge47ktrz4Sg)

Two sides to every story... It all comes down to your ATTITUDE about the situation. There's a lot of people that think the war on terror is justified, and a lot that don't, just like a lot of people think it's stupid to give the car a squirt every now and then, and those that think it's ok.

Do you think any of us are going to be persuaded to see the other side of the story? I don't, humans (especially me :p) are naturally stubborn. For that reason, there's not much point to keep this thread open...

[plonkerchops]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge47ktrz4Sg

Two sides to every story... It all comes down to your ATTITUDE about the situation. There's a lot of people that think the war on terror is justified, and a lot that don't, just like a lot of people think it's stupid to give the car a squirt every now and then, and those that think it's ok.

Do you think any of us are going to be persuaded to see the other side of the story? I don't, humans (especially me :p) are naturally stubborn. For that reason, there's not much point to keep this thread open...

so what has the video got to do with speeding ?, all I see is some gimp doing skids....

[redvu]

You, and all other p platers, need to realise you are NOT bulletproof and that you actually have to share the road with buses, pedestrians, other cars, cyclists aqnd trucks.

You need to respect the fact that you have a license and not treat it like a right.

mate believe it or not some of us p-platers DO realise that we are not bulletproof and DO respect the fact the we are able to have a license. :yup:

Obviously there are pricks out there (p-platers) who couldnt give a flying fkuk about road rules and it sh*ts me 2 tears that people seem to think we all act the same!! :vpo:

[planetdavo]

think what you like ' Davo ' , of course you have a modified car and have never ever broken the speed limit to any degree in it, you being the track day king that you are...
Thanks for keeping me honest...
Modifieds cars aren't the problem. The person driving the car is the problem. If the driver has no brain matter between their ears, there's a potential problem.
ANY CAR, be it a bog stock Echo or a twin turbo Commodore, can cause a whole lot of carnage.
I don't care whether you or anybody else on here likes me or not. This isn't some tweeny peer group pressure schoolyard. Exceeding the freeway speed limit by 130km/h is not exactly breaking the limit by a "little bit", or a "degree". It's outright stupidity. If you have a problem keeping it to the track, and happily endorse doubling the speed limit on public roads that YOU have decided are safe, well, I hope you NEVER come near me, my family or my friends out on the roads.
(actually, sometimes it tries to be a schoolyard on here, now that I think about it)

[stroked senator]

i love reading people having ago at one another :)

[Steve-LS2]

mate believe it or not some of us p-platers DO realise that we are not bulletproof and DO respect the fact the we are able to have a license. :yup:

Obviously there are pricks out there (p-platers) who couldnt give a flying fkuk about road rules and it sh*ts me 2 tears that people seem to think we all act the same!! :vpo:

Hi RedVU, i never said p platers are the problem, i said that some people will see what is written here about speed limiters and think "cool i'm gonna try that" and TBH it would be young people that will do this in a higher percentage than older people, not just because we have or have not done it, but because we know it wont impress anyone.

Then whatisname has a PSYCHO about how i think p platers are all morons, well let me set it straight.

A high percentage of p platers are hopeless drivers and alot of them flout the laws made for all of us and think they are above the law. I respect everyone who obeys the road rules and if you do then thats great, i didn't pigeon hole you, you have pigeon holed yourself.

[Evman]

so what has the video got to do with speeding ?, all I see is some gimp doing skids....

The government seems to think it has something to do with speeding (:p). The point of it is that your attitude towards the situation will effect your whole perspective. The original video depicts the same scenarios but with different views. You just have to have to be willing to look past your personal opinion and try and understand the other side of the story.

Ever tried telling a religious person that there's no God? They don't like it. I think the same stubbornness is coming through in this thread. No one is going to be convinced to trade in their opinion on the matter, so why bother continuing to try? I vote close the thread.


...i said that some people will see what is written here about speed limiters and think "cool i'm gonna try that" and TBH it would be young people that will do this in a higher percentage than older people.

Funny you should mention that...I dunno bout the rest of you, but honestly, 4 out of 5 people that try to drag me off from the lights are older blokes...:)

[mac06]

No one is going to be convinced to trade in their opinion on the matter, so why bother continuing to try? I vote close the thread.



Nah keep it open, it makes for interesting discussion. This is where you get the under 25's vs the over 25's. At the end of the day people will do whatever they want, but if some get to see reason from someone outside their age group, then it may help save a life. Not all P-platers do stupid things, but a higher number do because their mates egg them on.



Funny you should mention that...I dunno bout the rest of you, but honestly, 4 out of 5 people that try to drag me off from the lights are older blokes...:)

Most drivers are older than 21 so there's a fair chance that's the case. :)

[Evman]

Most drivers are older than 21 so there's a fair chance that's the case. :)

LOL...I think I didn't make my point as well as I should have, by older I meant 30+ :eyes:

The last one would have been in his 50's, in a Porsche lol.

[Tyre biter]

Excellent input the keepleft. We can all only hope it works. However, "improvements" like logbooking 120 hours of experience in (say) the parents car worry me though. I've lost count of the number of times I've had (for example) a "Mums taxi" Territory almost inside my boot tailgating me, just because I dare to do 40km/h through the school zones, trying not to run over someones kid. These same people are then giving their teenage kids "experience" for their logbook!


Agree with you totally.

IMO for as long as 'we' are using parents to train our new drivers and therefore merely passing on many bad habits, lack of skills pertaining to observation, concentration and anticipation, and let's not even begin to talk about the long deceased concept of 'motorcraft', then nothing will change of the driver skills and attitude side = road toll.

To exacerbate this outcome, despite the platitudes issued via various log books schemes, in reality that for as long as our driver licence testing concentrates on the 'big three' (hill starts, three point turns and reverse parks - when has a lack of these skills led to more than embarrassment), then again, nothing will change.

Mix in the whole Y Gen issue (it's all about me, my rights, my wants over yours, etc) - and interestingly the traits attributed to the Y Gen aren't the sole domain of the same and seem to regress through most generations prior despite the same bagging the other constantly, and again, nothing changes, perhaps even become worse.

And I reckon this; simply driver training courses aren't worth a pinch of salt if all they teach is driving skills. If they negate to (in the main) focus on attitude (concentration, observation, anticipation, forming a driving plan, hazard identification, hazard appreciation, etc), they miss the mark and in fact (statistically) produce a more accident prone product.

Someone help me off of this soap box... Just that I (for one) am sick of pulling bent, busted, disfigured and sometimes very dead folks from pirces of scrap metal because, in essance they either drive with their head up their bum, or worse, they simply don't give a toss for themselves, others and the consequences.

Cheers

[Evman]

...If they negate to (in the main) focus on attitude (concentration, observation, anticipation, forming a driving plan, hazard identification, hazard appreciation, etc), they miss the mark and in fact (statistically) produce a more accident prone product.

Dont forget recognising the signs of fatigue. I argued with my ex's parents that I've taught myself to recognise when I'm goin downhill, but they insisted that it's impossible! :confused:

[TYREFRIAR]

Guys who think they can tell the rest of us what to do, take a hike, this thread is about speed limiters, not who did what where, nothing was mentioned about where it was done, so its all just assumption.

If you want to talk crap about assumptions and your views on running the world, go post your own thread in the tar pit, but not here, this is general automotive not general opinion section........

[xploit]

Jesus steve,

your frying me because ive had my car quick once?

like you havnt you hypocritical ignorant idiot.

btw it was up bush, there are no animals cars people for at least 50 kays.

Why fry me and p platers when the thread is about it in the first place..

bet your the same kinda moron that has a stab at everyone else but does it on a regular basis....

ive given up on the whole p plater subject, because we are constantly hoons, like the rest of you arnt.

everyone pokes it every now and then, and ive done it once.

go jump steve.

I bet ive done more hours and kays in my 2 years * im two weeks off 20 * then you have in your entire driving life.

Dave

[TAKEITEZ]

Dont forget recognising the signs of fatigue. I argued with my ex's parents that I've taught myself to recognise when I'm goin downhill, but they insisted that it's impossible! :confused:

mate its definately possible... you've only gotta be concentrating on your driving...
i notice that my speed (if not on the cruise) starts to wander between +/- 20kph of the limit... my line in the lane gets a little random and i start to blink a hell of a lot more... if i feel my eyes twitch - like rapid eye movements - i know my body is calling it quits...
so when i notice those things its so so so so so important that i pull over, get out of the car and have a walk around... get a drink of water and some fresh air... spend 10 minutes on the side of the road might mean your 300km road trip is delayed a bit, but at least you make it in the first place!!!


i think as discussed its attitude that is what needs to be worked on...
the more i drive, the more miles i cover, and the older i get... the more i notice my attitude towards all aspects of driving changing...

for example!!!
5 or 6 years ago when cruising round as a P plater looking for races up "horsepower hill" and out the highway often you could often woop the double ton for a kick at 2am in the morning with no second thoughts about anything...

now a few years later i often get challenged to races up the same hill, and out the same highway... i know i could do it, i know i could win, and i know it would be fun... but now the car is faster, the same hill i could easily top 230k up, the same highway i could easily wind the maloo out till it hits the end of third gear (somewhere around 270kph) but its just stupid...
i now reply with "mate if you want to race me i'd be happy to, the next drag meet is xx of the xxxxxx, its only $50 to enter, come out and we'll have a go. will be great to see what that thing of yours can do on the track"
the answer is 75% of the time the same "ohh bugger paying $50 to do something you can do out on the highway at night for free"...

its the attitude hey.....!!!

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

I have submitted some tech info and read this thread. I went back to the start to see how it all started again becuase its taken a turn. The guy never said he did it on a legal road and basically if they would go over the speed limiter.

Ive had my VU SS up over the stock limiter on the track.

Jez

[Lofty]

the same highway i could easily wind the maloo out till it hits the end of third gear (somewhere around 270kph)

270km/h in 3rd gear...???? dont you mean 170km/h????

[Steve-LS2]

Jesus steve,

your frying me because ive had my car quick once?

like you havnt you hypocritical ignorant idiot.

btw it was up bush, there are no animals cars people for at least 50 kays.

Why fry me and p platers when the thread is about it in the first place..

bet your the same kinda moron that has a stab at everyone else but does it on a regular basis....

ive given up on the whole p plater subject, because we are constantly hoons, like the rest of you arnt.

everyone pokes it every now and then, and ive done it once.

go jump steve.

I bet ive done more hours and kays in my 2 years * im two weeks off 20 * then you have in your entire driving life.

Dave

NO MATE,

I'm not frying you for anything other than having a whinge about p-platers specifically being a p-plater, all i said was "some young people will see this thread and think woo i'm gonna try that", i never said that ALL young people do this or will even think this but that it is irresponsible to have a thread like this advising people of what the limiter is.

I find it hard to fathom how you think you have done more driving than me, let me do a small calculation here.

I drive for 2 hours per day 7 days per week and have done so since i was 18.

so, 14 x 52 x 10.5 = 7644 hours of driving.

You are almost 20 so lets say you've been driving since the day you turned 18 like i did, that is 102 weeks.

If you were to have driven more than me, you would have driven for 78 hours per week, or a little under 11 hours per day.

NOT LIKELY

As I said in the post shortly after i'm happy for p-platers to have the same rights as everyone else BUT no one else has the right to drive at 2.5 times the legal limit regardless of where you are or your proximity to other people or animals.

Merry Christmas, don't make yourself a statistic.

[TAKEITEZ]

270km/h in 3rd gear...???? dont you mean 170km/h????

auto, stock gears, 6500rpm set on the limiter... just calculated it on my specially doo dad... 261... fast enough anyway!!!!!

[CS1234]

[QUOTE=Steve-LS2;1104263]

I

How many under 25's are on this forum reading this thinking "Oh wow 250km speed limiter, it'll be sick to show my mates" and then theres another headline on the news.



I'm under 25 and do think I get a F@@k what my friends say if I can't do 150, 200 k's no I don't.

I know at those speeds what can happen and do you think I want to try it.
Maybe choose your words carefully mate

[Evman]

I'm under 25 and do think I get a F@@k what my friends say if I can't do 150, 200 k's no I don't.

Agreed. I actually get asked a lot "how fast ya had it?".

I just say "Fast enough for me."

Top speed for me? 160ish I spose, passing a truck on that race track we all go to when we're gonna speed. Wheels or Motor topped out the HSV Coupe at 275km/h, again, that's good enough for me :)

[Steve-LS2]

[QUOTE=Steve-LS2;1104263]

I

How many under 25's are on this forum reading this thinking "Oh wow 250km speed limiter, it'll be sick to show my mates" and then theres another headline on the news.



I'm under 25 and do think I get a F@@k what my friends say if I can't do 150, 200 k's no I don't.

I know at those speeds what can happen and do you think I want to try it.
Maybe choose your words carefully mate

Why the F&%K are you people so damned defensive, i was trying to make a point.

You know advise that maybe there are people reading this that may think exactly what I wrote. As there very well could be.

FFS get off your high horse, did i specifically target you or anyone else who commented on what I wrote? NO I F*&%ING DIDN'T

just take it whats it's for, this is a stupif thread that could get someone killed, no one here is p-plater or young person bashing, if you know what can happen at those speeds then more power to ya, but whyat about the other 99 people your age that DON'T???????

Stop flaming people trying to bring a little bit of sensibility to this forum and make constructive posts, i did nothing but try and save a few young persons lives, and yes JUST because you are under 25 you are 40% more likely to be involved in an accident invilving a fatality than someone over 25.

It isn't me having a go at young people, it is society, so get a grip!!!!!

[planetdavo]

I have submitted some tech info and read this thread. I went back to the start to see how it all started again becuase its taken a turn. The guy never said he did it on a legal road and basically if they would go over the speed limiter.

Ive had my VU SS up over the stock limiter on the track.

Jez
If you had gone back to the start, you would have read that one member seemed pretty proud of his efforts doing 237km/h on a SA freeway, and others basically said f#ck off, I'll do whatever I like. Where do you seriously reckon these people "test" their speed limiters? Definitely NOT in the safety of a track situation.
You're wondering why this thread turned???


Guys who think they can tell the rest of us what to do, take a hike, this thread is about speed limiters, not who did what where, nothing was mentioned about where it was done, so its all just assumption.

If you want to talk crap about assumptions and your views on running the world, go post your own thread in the tar pit, but not here, this is general automotive not general opinion section........
Perhaps you should read just above this.
If you think forums aren't 90% OPINION, you haven't understood how they work very well yet...

[macca33]

Davo and Tyrebiter, it doesn't really matter - you're not gonna convert them.

Plenty of blokes who thought they were race track, or great drivers are dead now, so that is all that can be said about that.

Plenty of blokes think they're the shit, but it only takes a microsecond to prove that they are not.

Merry Christmas and I hope that none of you blokes, or your friends/relatives become statistics.

Yeah, I've had a couple of quieties, but I'm also reminiscing about the plenty of bodies I've also lifted and recorded in the past dozen or so years. People need to wake up a little to reality. When you're dead, you're dead.

Cheers,

Macca

[planetdavo]

Maybe choose your words carefully mate
Personally, I don't feel that Steve was brushing EVERY p-plater with the one brush.
Like it or not, statistically and just in general observation though, young drivers are often the ones looking for traffic light action, or the ones you see racing another p plate car down the freeway. Often the same age group also projecting that same attitude (there's THAT word again) through in this very thread.
It is good to see some do understand the potential consequences of it all "going horribly wrong" though, just the same as it's VERY disappointing that some of the older drivers haven't grown up yet and learnt to keep it off the roads...


Davo and Tyrebiter, it doesn't really matter - you're not gonna convert them.

90% of the blokes who thought they were race track, or great drivers are dead now, so that is all that can be said about that.

Macca
If just ONE life is saved from this thread, it has been worth EVERY post.
For every dead "great driver", there's another one just about to apply for their license...

[macca33]

Yes, I do agree with you mate, perhaps my post seemed a little negative. I hope that others think that life is important also. I'll admit, I've seen some very cheap life in the past few years and I hope that our country values it a little more.

Cheers.

[Brandonsdad]

Hopefully if anyones feels the need to speed, they do it out in the country where they can only do harm to themselves and not on suburban streets, or winding roads, in the wet etc etc. I have only ever done it once and is something that I would not again in a hurry as it can be quite frightening, eventhough there was no oncoming traffic or anyone else on the road apart from me. Road and sides of the road were clear on a bright sunny day. Unfortunately you get people that do these things in 60km zones on main roads, which is a recipe for disaster. As long as the person that has the urge to try it once does it in a low risk place I dont see a problem. If they get caught then they pay a huge price for it and hopefully it gets it out of their system and they never attempt it again. As for me, trying it once was enough to get it out of my system. Everyone goes through life wanting to experiment with things, whether it be drugs, alcohol, fast cars, bungee jumping, or doing some Jackass stunts, but the more you do them, the more chance you have of running into trouble.

[xploit]

NO MATE,

I'm not frying you for anything other than having a whinge about p-platers specifically being a p-plater, all i said was "some young people will see this thread and think woo i'm gonna try that", i never said that ALL young people do this or will even think this but that it is irresponsible to have a thread like this advising people of what the limiter is.

I find it hard to fathom how you think you have done more driving than me, let me do a small calculation here.

I drive for 2 hours per day 7 days per week and have done so since i was 18.

so, 14 x 52 x 10.5 = 7644 hours of driving.

You are almost 20 so lets say you've been driving since the day you turned 18 like i did, that is 102 weeks.

If you were to have driven more than me, you would have driven for 78 hours per week, or a little under 11 hours per day.

NOT LIKELY

As I said in the post shortly after i'm happy for p-platers to have the same rights as everyone else BUT no one else has the right to drive at 2.5 times the legal limit regardless of where you are or your proximity to other people or animals.

Merry Christmas, don't make yourself a statistic.

Okay,

I apologise steve,

but, the way it sounded was that of a general stab at under 25's.

And yes 11 hours in the car everyday up to 15, especially with my last job as selling Komatsu machinery and Jungheinrich travelling round the state each and every day averaging 800-1000 kms per working day.

And various interstate trips averaging 1000-2000 kms a couple of times every month.

Along with, weekend socialising with all my friends who live 50-300 kms from home.

My car has done 45,000kms in a little under 6 months, with a new job and i cant even remember how many astronmical kays my old VY had on it.

I dare say that it is likely.

But try not to jump down a certain age groups throat. <- Its hypocritical and pisses alot of people off.

Cheers and hope you all had a merry xmas from a cold 40 degree xmas and 46 degree boxing day in Yangebup, Perth WA.

Dave

[SLugg]

hmmm thats a lot of reading , I grew up on motor bikes never thought of owning a car cause they were for lame ducks, on a bike the world wants to kill you and you soon learn to be aware of all drivers good and bad , its not speed or youth that causes accidents they just add to the carnage its called an accident because it wasnt planned , no amount of planning will stop an accident just minimise the risk a bit , the best way to avoid an accident in a car is to never leave home . After 35 years or riding and driving from 125cc singles to 6ltrs v8's I have concluded that if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you will have an accident whether you have good bad or indifferent levels of driving skill. You can increase the odds of having an accident by drinking , being tired , lacking concentration , speeding or being stupid , and doing 50,000k's a year and not having an accident dosnt make you a better driver just a luckier one , so remember next time you drive just because you may be the luckiest driver out there it dosnt mean that the unluckiest one will miss you when he comes threw that red light....

[xploit]

Very well put Slugg..

couldnt agree more.

Dave

[TYREFRIAR]

If you had gone back to the start, you would have read that one member seemed pretty proud of his efforts doing 237km/h on a SA freeway, and others basically said f#ck off, I'll do whatever I like. Where do you seriously reckon these people "test" their speed limiters? Definitely NOT in the safety of a track situation.
You're wondering why this thread turned???


Perhaps you should read just above this.
If you think forums aren't 90% OPINION, you haven't understood how they work very well yet...

You seem to be hard of understanding, so I will type this post a little slower for you, no one said "dont have an opinion" what i said was, if it doesnt relate to the topic, go post it somewhere it belongs.......

[handydagger]

check u tube someone has done like 270+ with speed limiter removed...

[NickS]

Ive even had the VE six banger - SV6 to 247 thats when mine limits out.

thought the SS would be more?

Dave

Jesus christ steve... get over yourself. believe it or not us young people do have a mind of our own and oh my god we can make our own decisions what everyone forgets is that we arnt 5 year olds ffs.

Yes ive had my car that quick, but who cares??? there was no one with me at the time, i know my car, i know the strip it was on like the back of my hand.

God people like you piss me off.. and every other bloody p - plater.

You know half the reason p platers are hoons and idiots is because everyone treats us like a kid - idiots like yourself that think we arnt capable of making our own decisions.

So wow shock bloody horror when a p plater goes nuts.

So over represented and steve where are you getting your facts from? ... the media?? - haha what a joke.. or your own prejudice?

Jesus christ mate..

... There is absoloutely no hope for future p platers... as long as the community has this view.. ffs... you know we would be safer if we were p platers that didnt have to display them? then the view wouldnt be as bad...

You just dont remember when a fully licensed driver does something stupid.. but as soon as a p plater does it theres an outrage!

Bah! this thread sucks...

Dave


Jesus steve,

your frying me because ive had my car quick once?

like you havnt you hypocritical ignorant idiot.

btw it was up bush, there are no animals cars people for at least 50 kays.

Why fry me and p platers when the thread is about it in the first place..

bet your the same kinda moron that has a stab at everyone else but does it on a regular basis....

ive given up on the whole p plater subject, because we are constantly hoons, like the rest of you arnt.

everyone pokes it every now and then, and ive done it once.

go jump steve.

I bet ive done more hours and kays in my 2 years * im two weeks off 20 * then you have in your entire driving life.

Dave

So you don't want to be treated like a child ... well then stop acting like one.

:D

Every 19 year old thinks they know everything, thinks they are an experienced adult, wise to the ways of the world. When you're 30 / 40 / 50 and you have experienced the joys and pressures of raising of kids ... and you have seen stories of other people and their kids killed by idiots that thought they could go as fast as they wanted on a public road ... you might change your tune.

My aunty was killed in a head on accident with a 20 year old doing WAY over the speed limit "out bush" ... as you put it. He ended up on their side of the road, don't know why, he's not around to explain. Whatever the situation, my Uncle now doesn't have a wife, my cousins don't have a mother, all because some young fool thought he could wind it up because he was "in the middle of nowhere".

Have I done stupid speeds on the road ... yes ... when I was an arrogant, ignorant 19 / 20 year old who thought he knew everything. Does the fact that I have done something stupid and got away with it mean that I have no right to say it's a stupid thing to do ... NO.

Now go and get your dummy and stop carrying on like a 3 year old ... you sound like your brother.

:1peek:

[TYREFRIAR]

So you don't want to be treated like a child ... well then stop acting like one.

:D

Every 19 year old thinks they know everything, thinks they are an experienced adult, wise to the ways of the world. When you're 30 / 40 / 50 and you have experienced the joys and pressures of raising of kids ... and you have seen stories of other people and their kids killed by idiots that thought they could go as fast as they wanted on a public road ... you might change your tune.

My aunty was killed in a head on accident with a 20 year old doing WAY over the speed limit "out bush" ... as you put it. He ended up on their side of the road, don't know why, he's not around to explain. Whatever the situation, my Uncle now doesn't have a wife, my cousins don't have a mother, all because some young fool thought he could wind it up because he was "in the middle of nowhere".

Have I done stupid speeds on the road ... yes ... when I was an arrogant, ignorant 19 / 20 year old who thought he knew everything. Does the fact that I have done something stupid and got away with it mean that I have no right to say it's a stupid thing to do ... NO.

Now go and get your dummy and stop carrying on like a 3 year old ... you sound like your brother.

:1peek:

You can have your opinion, but you cant tell people what to do, or what to think, at the end of the day, people are responsible for thier own actions.....

Like starting a thread about speed limiters, or hijacking that thread on some "anti-speeding" campaign, when if they felt strongly enough about it, they would start thier own thread in the relevent area.... like be pro active about it, instead of reactive, by simply replying.

[Merlin]

Wow the anti-speeding government propaganda has worked its magic on a few. Sure I don't condone doing 200+ on a public road but the fact is our speed limits are set to low and freeways should be 140km/h instead of the 100km/h jokes you see around Sydney. Speeding is not the main cause of accidents (despite what the RTA wants you to think) - inattention, failure to scan ahead, and driving innapropriatly to the conditions are.

Everyone takes risks in life - its what makes life fun. I guess the extent of some peoples risks is simply higher than others. Obviously with that risk comes consequences - be they legal or injuries/death.

Personally I would not do the sorts of speeds discussed in this thread on a public road in Australia - not because it is dynamically unsafe but because if you are doing more than double the speed of potential surrounding traffic it is going to be a recipe for disaster. For the record, on a closed road (no not being a smartass, it was actually a closed stretch of freeway) I got a 600cc bike up to 260km/h ish and I have to say it was very stable and happy at that speed.

[YCV8]

I'm sure no one is saying they are angels and haven't done stupid things in motor vehicles before but I don't think bragging about it (whether intended or not) on a public forum is a smart thing. I've got no dramas if you want to smash yourself into little pieces but I'm sure your family does but what pisses most of us so called 'do-gooders off is that history has shown that when things go wrong (and especially at 250kph) things really go wrong and as NickS showed in his thread they do go wrong and hurt others. If you want a thrill go base jumping just don't do it in a populated area. :)

The biggest problem about posting this on a public forum is that is gives all of us a bad name. Modified car haters that may read this forum will have another reason to target all of us. Have you ever wondered why modified cars get such a hard time by certain cops. It's not because all modifed car owners drive like idiots it's because as shown in the past and 'admitted publicly in this thread', some modified owners do drive like idiots and from the outside, the Cops & RTA can't tell which modified cars have morons inside, so we all cop it.

Some things are best kept to yourself or your mates around a beer. If you put it out there then expect some people to react. What is the next thread gonna be: "I drank two bottles of scotch and was smashed, raced my mate around the street but he beat me...any ideas how to improve my time so I can win next time."