Holden CONCEPT Car for Melb Motorshow in Feb 2008

[zacz]

Hey all

Saw this article in the latest GoAUTO News:

"GENERAL Motors global product boss Bob Lutz has revealed that Holden is putting the finishing touches on a concept car to be shown at the Melbourne International Motor Show next month.

Not wishing to steal Holden’s thunder, Mr Lutz would not give any details away about what the concept might be, other than to say that it is one of the best he has ever seen. “(Holden) are working on a design down there that is going to knock everybody’s socks off,” Mr Lutz said. “And I am extremely proud of the design. It will emerge as one of GM Holden’s proudest
moments. It is really terrifi c.” A Holden spokesperson refused to elaborate.

Anyone know what this concept could be?

[Steve-LS2]

i bet it has 4 wheels :stick:

[mosoto]

i bet it has 4 wheels :stick:

I bet it has 6 (spare + steering wheel if you want to get pedantic)

[CSP]

It will be some sort of eco/hybrid/green car that has equal or better performance than current V8s.

[Holden Man]

Sounds interesting ....

It will very hard for them to top the "Efijy" :bow:

[iloveholden]

It will be some sort of eco/hybrid/green car that has equal or better performance than current V8s.

Yep i agree probably have the displacment on demand technology on a green V8 like the wagon but maybe pump out some more power. But maybe this time on a new crazy looking ute!

[BIGW]

We do work at QEK which handle all holdens fleet vehicles they have an area which is closed off to the public. On occasions we have been let in there to do work there have been a number of concept cars, sandman, TT torana, us imports, cadillacs ect. We were in there last week and there was no chance of getting into that area.

Doubt it would be in there but Im sure it will be in there with the other cars in between car shows.

[Evman]

Sounds interesting ....

It will very hard for them to top the "Efijy" :bow:

I was thinking it'd be hard to top the Monaro...:p


We do work at QEK which handle all holdens fleet vehicles they have an area which is closed off to the public. On occasions we have been let in there to do work there have been a number of concept cars, sandman, TT torana, us imports, cadillacs ect. We were in there last week and there was no chance of getting into that area.

Doubt it would be in there but Im sure it will be in there with the other cars in between car shows.

When not on show the already exposed concept cars are kept in the Port Melbourne showroom anyway :)

Well lets see what's already been done:
-2 door coupe (Monaro)
-Ute variants (Sandman/UTEster/Cross8/SST)
-Hatch variants (SSX/Torana)
-Hot rod (Efigy)
-Race/track car (Elfins)
-Greeny (ECOmmodore)

I got no idea what it could be to get Lutz so impressed...

[TYREFRIAR]

torana and/or camaro.

[Metal]

when I first saw the 'concept' SSX, I was blown away, and I thought 'that' is the car I must have.

I've just read an OLD article, that mentions that HSV would like to build a car like this (possibly the second half of the decade - after 2005).

OOOOH YEAAAH. (fingers crossed for me):bow:

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/5329371CA251FD1ACA2572100028B7EF

[KingClifton]

Assuming this 'concept' is a thinly-veiled production car, a Torana would make sense. It's been hinted at for some time - and would explain Holden's choice to drop the Vectra and replace it with the Epica: something low-end/entry-level, leaving space for a premium mid-size to go head-to-head with Mondeo/Mazda6/Liberty/Camry et al. Much in the same way that the Viva and Astra are complementary.

And let's not forget the Camaros that have been seen on transporters right beside SS's.

[GTS LSA]

Maybe...... just maybe..... if we are lucky....... it will be another BEIGE Clubsport :eyes:

[Big_Valven]

Hmm my first guess would be the camaro by a long shot.

However it sounds like he's pretty excited about things, so something really ground breaking would be something like a production-ready torana based on shrunk VE architecture (zeta isn't it?), after all the epica was a "bridging" car... what's going to replace it? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a hybrid as well, but what I'd really like to see is a T or TTV6 in it.

Let's all wallow in the endless hype and superstition surrounding a potential new model...

[ti0350]

Maybe...... just maybe..... if we are lucky....... it will be another BEIGE Clubsport :eyes:

LOLOLOL :rofl:


I hope its the Torana, probably some green thing I recon though...

[BIGW]

I was thinking it'd be hard to top the Monaro...:p



When not on show the already exposed concept cars are kept in the Port Melbourne showroom anyway :)

Well lets see what's already been done:
-2 door coupe (Monaro)
-Ute variants (Sandman/UTEster/Cross8/SST)
-Hatch variants (SSX/Torana)
-Hot rod (Efigy)
-Race/track car (Elfins)
-Greeny (ECOmmodore)

I got no idea what it could be to get Lutz so impressed...


Must just be there prior post transport to and from shows then as ive definately seen the models i listed there.

[CS1234]

I'm charging the betteries to the camera now, hopefully it's a hell bent 8:headbang:

[Dug]

I'm tipping that it'll be a crewman, as it has been announced that on show at the New York Motorshow, will be a new 4 Door Ute, that could be badged as a crewman for Australia, but has been designed in Melbourne, for the U.S. Market for GMC.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/2196765278_5f0b52ee95_o.jpg

[mac06]

Assuming this 'concept' is a thinly-veiled production car, a Torana would make sense. It's been hinted at for some time - and would explain Holden's choice to drop the Vectra and replace it with the Epica: something low-end/entry-level, leaving space for a premium mid-size to go head-to-head with Mondeo/Mazda6/Liberty/Camry et al. Much in the same way that the Viva and Astra are complementary.

And let's not forget the Camaros that have been seen on transporters right beside SS's.

I like your reasoning, however Holden already had the Torana concept car and the Camaro is not a concept car. The DOD has already been shown, so by extension the concept car would have to be something new, something unexpected, something not planned for production, like the Efigy. As for the Crewman above, that's also not a concept car as such and Holden have no plans to build one for Australia.

[CLUBRED]

Next month makes it the BNE motor show.

[korrupt]

Next month makes it the BNE motor show.

Melbourne Motor Show starts Feb 25th, I believe.

[LS2SS]

I reakon it will be the new designed crewman.

[TimMc]

My guess is that whatever it is, it's designed to take the spotlight away from the new Falcon which is going to be released at the same time. Personally I'm hoping for a next gen Monaro, based on the Camaro

[ACT_Cross8]

I'm tipping that it'll be a crewman, as it has been announced that on show at the New York Motorshow, will be a new 4 Door Ute, that could be badged as a crewman for Australia, but has been designed in Melbourne, for the U.S. Market for GMC.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/2196765278_5f0b52ee95_o.jpg

That's dead sexy, that is :bow:. Swap the "GMC" for a lion badge and where do I sign?

[Evman]

I think if the tray was a bit shorter it'd be gold :)

[Jac001]

anyone know if the cadillac that is suppose to come to australia will be there?

Would be good to know what people think of it , once they see it in the flesh..

(Yeah i know it isn't a concept car)

[Carl]

[QUOTE=mac06;1123251]I like your reasoning, however Holden already had the Torana concept car and the Camaro is not a concept car. QUOTE]


There is talk of a NEW torana concept car..maybe that'll be what they unveil? I see where your coming from because its not like they can unveil the torana again lol..but maybe theyll show us the new one? Its supposed to be based on the opel GTC concept (which will be the basis of the 4 door vectra replacment in the UK...and will also end up being the bases for the new calibra if they make one:bow: i hope they DO!) Apparently the vectra replacment will have a twin turbo6 version that runs a AWD platform in the line up...lets hope if thats true they bring THAT into the new torana:) or a 6.0L would be fine too hahaha

It could be anything tho....who knows, it could even be some lil barina type thing! hope its not tho...i hope its sumfing cooool:)

Can somebody pleeease find out for sure when it is? i REALLY wana go:)

Also, does anybody know when the Adelaide car shows on?

[Evman]

A new Torana concept would be 3 medium sized hatches in only a few years...Repetition in concept cars gets old quickly...

[Peter PaP.]

Did someone say new calibra? :woot: Whatever this new concept will be it better be good like he says.

Melbourne Motor Show starts on the 29th of February.

http://www.motorshow.com.au/

[Jac001]

by the way,
2008 is the

100 year anniversary for GM
60 " " " "holden
40 " " " for the monaro
30 " ' " for the commodore...


:bow:

[chevypower]

anyone know if the cadillac that is suppose to come to australia will be there?

Would be good to know what people think of it , once they see it in the flesh..

(Yeah i know it isn't a concept car)

There was a concept Cadillac at Detroit - maybe that? Provoq

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/08/ces-2008-cadillac-provoq-fuel-cell-concept-revealed/

[German Statesman]

I was thinking it'd be hard to top the Monaro...:p



When not on show the already exposed concept cars are kept in the Port Melbourne showroom anyway :)

Well lets see what's already been done:
-2 door coupe (Monaro)
-Ute variants (Sandman/UTEster/Cross8/SST)
-Hatch variants (SSX/Torana)
-Hot rod (Efigy)
-Race/track car (Elfins)
-Greeny (ECOmmodore)

I got no idea what it could be to get Lutz so impressed...

Might be a limo/luxury type this time


by the way,
2008 is the

100 year anniversary for GM
60 " " " "holden
40 " " " for the monaro
30 " ' " for the commodore...


:bow:

Interesting wiki history here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Corporation

[CharlieDontSurf]

Maybe it will be a coupe/ute wagon/limo with a ls7 (dry sump) or ls9 in it

[Shmacky]

"It will emerge as one of GM Holden’s proudest moments"

A few of the ideas above, ie the crewman, don't really fit this quote. I mean a big gas guzzling V8 wouldn't be considered a proud moment this day and age with global warming (depending on who/what you believe).

We've seen the Torana prototype. And the Camaro is already under way.

Should be something good and hopefully not a gimmick.

Shmacky

[Evman]

Maybe it'll be showcasing a diesel/hybrid with a semi-permeable membrane body allowing it to direct airflow better, reducing drag and increasing fuel economy and handling...

I dunno where that last bit came from, but I'm wanting GM's electric motor/gearbox to come out (basically bolts on like a gearbox to a north/south engine, making the car a hybrid.).

[German Statesman]

Maybe a badge-engineered Tata? :spew:

Spare parts & accessories include a paper bag for your head for when you're driving it in the daytime; a knife to slash your wrists if the bag blows off; and Narre Warren Party Boy's sunnies and gay hat in the hope of gaining some respect.... :)

[shane W Z]

Ok guys humour me for a sec. Since its 30 years since 1978 i reckon it could be a retro VB!:lol:

[Sonic_Brew]

Pfft... give us something thats going to be produced.

[Davo-ss]

wouldnt have a clue but wat ever it is it would look sweet

[shane W Z]

IF anyone was wondering. I was joking with the retro vb thing.

[planetdavo]

I'm tipping a Holden designed model, for future production in either the US (and not Camaro!) or possibly Korea by GM-DAT.
Unless someone is in the "inside" and spills it, who really knows! Those people would have signed confidentiality agreements anyway, so good luck.

[COSMOS]

"It will emerge as one of GM Holden’s proudest moments"

A few of the ideas above, ie the crewman, don't really fit this quote. I mean a big gas guzzling V8 wouldn't be considered a proud moment this day and age with global warming (depending on who/what you believe).

We've seen the Torana prototype. And the Camaro is already under way.

Should be something good and hopefully not a gimmick.

Shmacky

Maybe something that pays tribute to the legend - Brocky !
???

[BadMac]

Speaking to Australian media at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit this week, Mr Lutz hinted that it might herald the unexpected return of the Crewman dual-cab ute in Australia, not to mention a new export opportunity to the United States for Holden.

“We will have a ute concept at the NY show, but that is going to be badged GMC,” he said.
“That is a global design study – and a very interesting study in that it is a GMC toughlooking four-door ute that could then obviously be badged as a Holden for Australia.”

In the style of the old VY/VZ Crewman – but beefed up to look more like a US-style pick-up truck – the as-yet unnamed concept vehicle, which is understood to have been designed in Melbourne, will debut at the upcoming New York International Auto Show in March.

“It is very tough looking, with a sport-utility look that is very low, very aggressive looking, a blend between a sport utility and the classic Australian four-door ute,” Mr Lutz enthused.

GoAuto understands that Holden has played a significant role in the development of this vehicle, which uses the global Zeta architecture. Furthermore, if the New York motor show public reacts positively enough, a production version of the concept is likely in the near future.

However, Mr Lutz was also quick to water down speculation that a Crewman will be a sure thing.

Won't be the crewman, its debut is set for NYIAS in March.

[geary]

My money is on

- 2 door on Alpha/Zeta platform... a la Monaro or even smaller Calibra style thing.
- New Holden Hurricane or some crazy supercar design that will, like Efijy, never make it past concept state.

[BadMac]

Just got back from Holidays, was speaking to a friend and heard its

A VE Monaro. Concept only, Holden aren't building one (yeah right). Apparently looks very good.

[Dazed]

I have heard its actually gonna be a Holden version of the Chevy Volt electric car that Bob Lutz is so excited about..
that's why he talked it up so much

Apearantly it actually looks pretty good!!

[ls1ozstyle]

Hey people,
Heard from a very, very reliable source today that it is infact a 2008 Gemini complete with 20 inch rims, scissor doors, and powered by a diesel inline four. Fingers crossed that this makes production.


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[Jac001]

I'm tipping a Holden designed model, for future production in either the US (and not Camaro!) or possibly Korea by GM-DAT.
.

The only GM-Dat car that Holdens is currently working on (that is being talked about is the W200), which is an high spec'ed luxury version of the caprice, targeted to the chauffeur driven market.

[Fnomna]

I have heard its actually gonna be a Holden version of the Chevy Volt electric car that Bob Lutz is so excited about..
that's why he talked it up so much

Apearantly it actually looks pretty good!!

This would be good timing considering the government's push for locally produced energy efficient cars.
I'd probably find this a better concept car than a VE Monaro.
Who knows - maybe it's a Volt, with Monaro or Torana styled shell?!

http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/
YouTube - Chevrolet Volt Concept (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgTcdfkihE4)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Chevrolet-Volt-DC.jpg/800px-Chevrolet-Volt-DC.jpg

[geary]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/chicago-2008-gmc-denali-xt-four-door-flex-fuel-hybrid-ute/

GMC Denali, designed in Oz and these photos obviously taken at Lang Lang. Looks the goods

[buddyforu]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/chicago-2008-gmc-denali-xt-four-door-flex-fuel-hybrid-ute/

GMC Denali, designed in Oz and these photos obviously taken at Lang Lang. Looks the goods

OMG That ute is FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!! :6bow:

[Anubis]

GMC Denali, designed in Oz and these photos obviously taken at Lang Lang. Looks the goods


Look at the size of those wheels. :bow:

[TriShield]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/chicago-2008-gmc-denali-xt-four-door-flex-fuel-hybrid-ute/

GMC Denali, designed in Oz and these photos obviously taken at Lang Lang. Looks the goods

That is appalling and a huge disappointment. The Crewman photoshop in this thread looks so much better.

[TYREFRIAR]

I dont know if "the" vehicle lutz spoke about will be it, but I wouldnt mind betting there is an off road orientated vehicle on the stand, that is a unique vehicle, perhaps even something Hendrics would use in upcoming off road events.

something like below, as rodeo, crewman, or "other"

http://www.mastercraftseats.com/images/trophytruck_home.png

[paulvdb]

I'm extremely surprised that the Denali isn't getting more discussion on this Forum. It's a ute based probably 100% on a Commodore platform, it's got a completely new engine that surely must be going into some Aussie cars down the track, it's got some particular design elements that I'm sure will go into future Holdens - and yet no-one on this forum seems interested!

My take on this car is that underneath it's skin are a bunch of ideas from existing cars and in the near future. I think it's easy to pick on the car for being ugly and forget that it's got a super beaut V8 with DOD, DI and Hybrid. Surely we must see a point when Commodores will come with this smaller engine plant, with the 6.2 and 7.0 being saved for SS/HSV duties.

I think Holden fans should be taking a close look at this car given that the Holden team managed to sneak this under the radar while busily putting together the Camaro. There must be bits if this that will go into the Australian cars in much the same way that the Torana previewed the VE architecture.

[NRD80Y]

I'm extremely surprised that the Denali isn't getting more discussion on this Forum.

This Denali Australian LS1 and Holden Forums - View Single Post - VE Crewman set for production (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1139011&postcount=23) :)

[HSVMAN]

That is appalling and a huge disappointment. The Crewman photoshop in this thread looks so much better.

I think the Denali is an awesome loooking machine! That photoshop is very ordinary - not to mention way out of proportion.

Anyway I doubt either will happen for some time

[Clutch22]

My guess is that whatever it is, it's designed to take the spotlight away from the new Falcon which is going to be released at the same time. Personally I'm hoping for a next gen Monaro, based on the Camaro

The Monaro is dead and will not be coming back.

The Torana will be the next model to come out to make the Holden-of-old fans squeal like little girls.

As for the concept car in Melbourne, I'll bet my bottom dollar it's the Crewman designed for the US,

[HSVMAN]

The Monaro is dead and will not be coming back.

The Torana will be the next model to come out to make the Holden-of-old fans squeal like little girls.

As for the concept car in Melbourne, I'll bet my bottom dollar it's the Crewman designed for the US,

Monaro is not dead. It is due back from 2009 onwards :)

[Clutch22]

Monaro is not dead. It is due back from 2009 onwards :)

Sorry, it won't be back.

It's speculated that it will be, but from a marketing and business end, it's just not a good move. They don't sell enough of them to bring them back. The only way it will be back is if it is an exclusive HSV model. There were too many sitting in plant stock for too long to release them again.

[HSVMAN]

Sorry, it won't be back.

It's speculated that it will be, but from a marketing and business end, it's just not a good move. They don't sell enough of them to bring them back. The only way it will be back is if it is an exclusive HSV model. There were too many sitting in plant stock for too long to release them again.

My info is from Holden HQ, where is yours from?

[Clutch22]

My info is from Holden HQ, where is yours from?

lol. Provide some documentation to support this rather than "hopes and dreams" theories.,

Mine is based on the sales records and "left-overs" from when the Monaro was released.

[German Statesman]

The only GM-Dat car that Holdens is currently working on (that is being talked about is the W200), which is an high spec'ed luxury version of the caprice, targeted to the chauffeur driven market.

Geez, I'd put my hand up for one of them - whaddaya reckon, Spank??:bounce:

[HSVMAN]

lol. Provide some documentation to support this rather than "hopes and dreams" theories.,

Mine is based on the sales records and "left-overs" from when the Monaro was released.

Lets say I used to have a close association with them and it was told directly to me by a senior Aussie Holden official last year - at a Holden staff training facility.
Do you really think they would go around handing out flyers telling people whats in store???

[Clutch22]

Lets say I used to have a close association with them and it was told directly to me by a senior Aussie Holden official last year - at a Holden staff training facility.
Do you really think they would go around handing out flyers telling people whats in store???

Sooo.... you heard a rumour basically.

Although the idea is there, and they WANT it to be a success, it would just be silly to do it based on what happened last time.

Sales figures > rumour.

[Metal]

lol. Provide some documentation to support this rather than "hopes and dreams" theories.,

Mine is based on the sales records and "left-overs" from when the Monaro was released.

Sooo.... you heard a rumour basically.

.....
Although the idea is there, and they WANT it to be a success, it would just be silly to do it based on what happened last time.

Sales figures > rumour.


pretty sure he just told us what he had heard, no one forced you to read it/accept it :nopity: unless it's a lie, if that's what he heard, any info is good info.

** wonders why some ppl hav nothing better to do than argue/complain

[HSVMAN]

Sooo.... you heard a rumour basically.

Although the idea is there, and they WANT it to be a success, it would just be silly to do it based on what happened last time.

Sales figures > rumour.

You believe what you want (based on speculation) and for now I will believe my information - direct from the people who build them :)

[Clutch22]

You believe what you want (based on speculation) and for now I will believe my information - direct from the people who build them :)

Yes let's see what info proves to be the correct resource--what people hope will be release, and what numbers, dollars and sense decide.

[HSVMAN]

Yes let's see what info proves to be the correct resource--what people hope will be release, and what numbers, dollars and sense decide.


It's not about "hope" its what is planned. The last model was deemed a success, regardless of an over supply to local markets.

[Steve-LS2]

Yes let's see what info proves to be the correct resource--what people hope will be release, and what numbers, dollars and sense decide.


Effijy and the new Torana were both concept cars, neither have been built yet....SO WHAT!!!

Just because you sell cars at a dealership in Perth doesn't mean you know anything about what they build in secret at Fishermans bend.

If someone on here says they know someone that works high up at Holden then I'm inclinded to believe them.

I know someone who works for a Holden contractor and through him i know that the Camaro is coming here.

Have you heard about that????

[zacaxel1975]

It's not about "hope" its what is planned. The last model was deemed a success, regardless of an over supply to local markets.

Cool, put me down for a late 09 or early 2010 model Monaro GTS with 7.0l (or supercharged ls9 would be ok too). :bounce: :bravo: :yup:

[V-Car]

Its probably safe to say that a new Monaro WAS in the pipeline as HSVMAN has said, however this may have changed very recently with the new CAFE regs coming in the US.
It would be wrong to say it wasnt going to happen because they didnt sell enough here, rather the new one would have probably been built in the US/Canada in large numbers, with a few coming back here as imports.
Things change quickly in the car game, and even though Monaro is now on hold, doesnt mean to say it wont be resurrected somrtime in the future.
It would most definately have got to the full prototype stage.

http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/general-motors/new-cafe-rules-put-monarogto-and-impala-on-hold/
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/C1F9E84CBEBB55D0CA2573D10022710D

[Holden Man]

Whatever "it" (the concept) is going to be, "it" is already working as Holden intended - we are talking about "it" rather than the new Falcon.

[teamkiwi]

GM has already signaled a year of 100th birthday parties in 2008, but there are several important local anniversaries that Holden boss Chris Gubbey says the parent company will also recognize: 60th anniversary of the first Australian car; the 50th anniversary of production at Elizabeth; the 30th anniversary of Commodore and the 40th anniversary of Monaro.

While it shouldn't be hard to dream up how the Lion brand will celebrate the first three events, recognizing or at least leveraging the big 4-0 for the big Mun-ro might be a bit tougher.

Gubbey was asked if the company normally celebrated birthdays for "things that are dead" and whether car enthusiasts should read something into the prominence of the date.

"We'll celebrate any important anniversary," said the Holden boss avoiding the question. And then when pushed that he hadn’t answered the question added: "That's right, I didn't answer the question."



More evidence to suggests that it could be a Monaro concept car to celebrate it 40th Anniversary.

Anyway wast the Monaro design locked in a while ago, it just didnt get approval or something onlong those lines, so it wont be that hard to roll out a concept Monaro will it

[VX2VESS]

More evidence to suggests that it could be a Monaro concept car to celebrate it 40th Anniversary.

Anyway wast the Monaro design locked in a while ago, it just didnt get approval or something onlong those lines, so it wont be that hard to roll out a concept Monaro will it

easy just weld the back doors shut

[Knight Phlier]

Monaro Ute. Can that work? like a small ute on the back - nah only kidding!

Seriously - VE Monaro with LS7/9 i hope!


Sooo.... you heard a rumour basically.

Although the idea is there, and they WANT it to be a success, it would just be silly to do it based on what happened last time.

Sales figures > rumour.

The last Monaro was the highest selling 2 door coupe in Australia during its time. What do you mean by 'what happened last time'? Are you referring to some models not being sold AFTER the VE was released? this happens with every car when a new model/lineup comes out. It is how the market works!

[Goggles]

ok the vehicle in this pic is covered in another thread, but what do you reckon the white sporty thing is in the left top part of this pic is??
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/goggles13/GMCDenaliXTCon16small.jpg

[BadMac]

Looks like an old school vette, but you reminded me of something I saw, I've copied this entire post from GMInsider just for another idea. Thanks to MonaroSS.


OK Lets look at this logically.

Holden are not going to show a concept of any new production car with a V8 in it, like Monaro/GTO as Lutz has been systematically ticking those off the wish list. To show a concept now would just make him look silly.

Holden will not be showing another Torana concept as they did that just recently and Lutz has said that Alpha is not yet fleshed out so why do another vague representation of what may be. And if Alpha is further along they will not be showing it yet.

No re-showing of Camaro will "knock peoples socks off", nor would a 4 door Crew cab Ute, nor a Commodore with new engine tech like diesel or Hybrid. And Lutz already said the Crewcab would debut in New York; at the same time he mentioned this. If Bob says "knock your socks off" he's meaning visually.

So I think it's either a convertible Efijy in a new color with new wheels and details or some other non-production concept.

There is even an outside chance that it may be something that I suggested to both Bob Lutz and to Holden Chief Designer Richard Ferlazzo. As this year is Holden’s 60th anniversary I suggested that Holden put an updated Torana GTR-X concept body on the Elfin M8 Roadster chassis as all proportions fit perfectly if you stretch the frame 4 inches behind the seat.

I suggested that a limited run of 'Roadster' versions for track day use would avoid costly tooling for glass and rear hatch etc, and could be sold through HSV.

Richard said they all loved the GTR-X and that some of his designers had even suggested the same thing for rebodying the Elfin. The problem they had he said was that Holden jealously guards it's history and the Torana GTR-X was a valued part of that and the Holden Board would unlikely trust an outside firm like Elfin to meet Holden’s exacting standards, but he suggested I put a case to the Board anyway. I never did but suggested it instead to Bob Lutz.

Well since those conversations an interesting thing happened to the ownership of Elfin as it was bought by the Walkinshaw Group who of course half own HSV and who Holden 'do' trust to meet Holden’s exacting standards and 'do' trust with Holden heritage.

So my hope is that this mystery concept to be first shown at Melbourne, the heart of Holden Design and on it's 60th anniversary, is as I suggested - a limited production Torana GTR-X Roadster track-day car. Of course the below pic assumes that it is little changed from the original. But Holden designers may have upped the anti with more spectacular styling treatment. And I wonder what engine they would put in it?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/hsvgtrxroadsteroverelfikg8.jpg

[JohnS]

deleeeeted

[Calais V 6.0]

ok the vehicle in this pic is covered in another thread, but what do you reckon the white sporty thing is in the left top part of this pic is??
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/goggles13/GMCDenaliXTCon16small.jpg

Looks to be a daytona. Someone may be able to get a pic up to compare.

[ACT_Cross8]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/chicago-2008-gmc-denali-xt-four-door-flex-fuel-hybrid-ute/

GMC Denali, designed in Oz and these photos obviously taken at Lang Lang. Looks the goods

That's nice. Will be a shame that it will get toned down for production.

[OPPYLOCK]

The GTR-X was not Holdens only attempt at building a sports car. Anyone remember the Holden Hurricane? The shape looks very similar. Possible its an old concept they are restoring.
Just had a closer look, Hurricane didn't have pilars. No dice.

[BadMac]

The GTR-X was not Holdens only attempt at building a sports car. Anyone remember the Holden Hurricane? The shape looks very similar. Possible its an old concept they are restoring.
Just had a closer look, Hurricane didn't have pilars. No dice.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/img_Hurricane.jpg

[ShanghaiVZ]

Ok change of dacks required :D :bow::bow:

Isn't the Hurricane beautiful and so futuristic, pretty dam impressive for 1969! rip out that 253 and slot in an LS2!

[Angelo_XLR8]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/img_Hurricane.jpg

Where does the Flux Capacitor go????

[Holden Man]

I can't wait until we are all wearing horse riding helmets in the future !
http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/42582/2005823754988190004_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005823754988190004)

[ImpulSSiVZ]

Where does the Flux Capacitor go????

Mate, that comment is absolute gold!
Still laughing!
Seriously, the Monaro question.
Pretty sure GM are building a two door Caddy? that will make it over here.

[V-Car]

Seriously, the Monaro question.
Pretty sure GM are building a two door Caddy? that will make it over here.

That would be the CTS Coupe concept, but it has nothing to do with Holden and Zeta.
Its Cadillac Sigma platform.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/detroit-2008-cadillac-cts-coupe-concept-2-doors-is-better-than/
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-coupe.html

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/cadillac-cts-coupe.jpg

[Calais V 6.0]

Just read an article for the Denali on Top Gear's web site.

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2596/

[theVman]

Looks like an old school vette, but you reminded me of something I saw, I've copied this entire post from GMInsider just for another idea. Thanks to MonaroSS.

The shell in the background could very well be a restyled torana GTR concept that just hasnt quite been sorted. Holden like hiding 'hints' in its photos.

This would gell with suggestions of another Torana concept. Perfect way to celebrate the 60th anniversary as well offering a very unique and low production run product. Track car only will also save a lot on getting ready for production... ie more viable.

Now thats something I see Bob Lutz getting excited about - especially seeing as the orginal GTR concept images have been popping up on forums over the last few years with good responses from the public!!

[greenfoam]

The car is called "Coupe-60" what that is you can make your own minds up but it's got to be either a efijy type FB or a 60th celebration for the Torana. It seems the have a very 60's flavour almost James Bondish so a GTR-X seems on the money

60th of Holden rather, having discused this with some guys, a few are saying it's a new Hurricane rather than the GTR-X all I know is that it's 60's James Bond flavour

[LSX-438]

Some trademarks holden recently registered are:

Holden RXU

Holden R-MAXX

Holden WASP

[HSVMAN]

Some trademarks holden recently registered are:

Holden RXU

Holden R-MAXX

Holden WASP

My interpretation (from what I have seen/heard) is

RXU - concept crossover
R-MAXX - Hi-po sports version of Captiva
WASP - not sure...

[theVman]

The car is called "Coupe-60" what that is you can make your own minds up but it's got to be either a efijy type FB or a 60th celebration for the Torana. It seems the have a very 60's flavour almost James Bondish so a GTR-X seems on the money

60th of Holden rather, having discused this with some guys, a few are saying it's a new Hurricane rather than the GTR-X all I know is that it's 60's James Bond flavour

Given that an elfin based GTR-X would be on the money . . when is the Melbourne Motor Show??

[greenfoam]

The Motorshow is on Feb 29th, the car isn't 100% finished yet and like I said it's called coupe-60 but that's all I know

[Road Warrior]

I can't wait until we are all wearing horse riding helmets in the future !
http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/42582/2005823754988190004_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005823754988190004)

Beat me to it ya bastard :lol:

Although I was going to make a wisecrack about Chinese Engineer's helmets.

[greenfoam]

I got some quite detailed info today from someone that noted I knew the name of the car. For starters, Coupe-60 is a race styled 4 seater Commodore coupe and runs on E85 ethanol

[EfiJy]

I got some quite detailed info today from someone that noted I knew the name of the car. For starters, Coupe-60 is a race styled 4 seater Commodore coupe and runs on E85 ethanol
sounds ike a9x torana coupe wiht 6liter v8

[greenfoam]

It's painted chrome silver and has vents in the gaurds and scalloped doors and many more racey features:!) everyone at the motorshow will be like Ford? what Ford? I'm busy looking at this, that's the whole plan I guess

[Calais V 6.0]

Coupe-60 is a race styled 4 seater Commodore coupe and runs on E85 ethanol

Wouldn't that be considered a Monaro? Why would a commodore coupe be a Torana?

[TimMc]

I got some quite detailed info today from someone that noted I knew the name of the car. For starters, Coupe-60 is a race styled 4 seater Commodore coupe and runs on E85 ethanol

Is there any chance that the E85 engine will be the same as the one in the Sportwagon Concept. Or maybe a TT or Supercharged version!!!!

[greenfoam]

Is there any chance that the E85 engine will be the same as the one in the Sportwagon Concept. Or maybe a TT or Supercharged version!!!!

The guy that told me about it didn't mention the engine so I don't know, he only talked about the E85 badges he saw on the car

[EfiJy]

Wouldn't that be considered a Monaro? Why would a commodore coupe be a Torana?

y show a commo when holdens are werking on the nest torana

[greenfoam]

One more thing, it runs two square shape exhausts on each side of the car that exit from under the sill panel in front of the rear wheels

[greenfoam]

Anyone out there sneaked a photo of it? seems lots of people have seen it but no ones talking

[VESportswagon20]

Even though the HB Torana was built in 1967, The Torana really started making a name for itself in 1968 which would make this year its 40th Anniversary. Maybe it will be a pre production concept of the Torana for its 40th anniversary in a way as the Sportwagon was a pre production concept of the car we will be seeing in only a couple of months time.

[Big_Valven]

ooooooohhhhh its getting exciting!!!

[Bravotwozero]

I don't care much for fancy concept cars. I wasn't at all impressed with Effijy.
The only way Holden will impress me is if they reveal a production ready Camaro with a confirmed date the car will go on sale. Oh, and will take my deposit! :)

[chrism697]

Anyone out there sneaked a photo of it? seems lots of people have seen it but no ones talking
because people who actually have seen it, dont go telling everyone on the internet, and certainly dont go throwing images up on the net.

[Big_Valven]

I don't care much for fancy concept cars. I wasn't at all impressed with Effijy.
The only way Holden will impress me is if they reveal a production ready Camaro with a confirmed date the car will go on sale. Oh, and will take my deposit! :)

I see where you're coming from, but the camaro isn't going to be nearly as interesting as the Efijy. Even though we can't buy them, concept cars are there to show us what a bunch of smart cookies can do when they're not bound by the strictures of traditional and mainstream car manufacture. Which mean they're cooooooool.

[Knight Phlier]

I don't care much for fancy concept cars. I wasn't at all impressed with Effijy.
The only way Holden will impress me is if they reveal a production ready Camaro with a confirmed date the car will go on sale. Oh, and will take my deposit! :)

Obviously your not very easily impressed - the Efijy was a concept 'hit' right around the world at a number of shows it was displayed at. IMO a masterpiece. Maybe cause it is not production ready it doesn't impress you, but a concept is just that - a prototype. Not that they will ever build a production Efijy, but to have the balls and the talent to pull off what they did was remarkable IMO.

[Bravotwozero]

Ok, probably a little harsh. I agree that yes it is a very impressive piece of kit. But I am more impressed by what cool pieces of kit Joe public can buy.

[mac06]

Ok, probably a little harsh. I agree that yes it is a very impressive piece of kit. But I am more impressed by what cool pieces of kit Joe public can buy.

The good thing about concept cars is that they sometimes make it onto the production line in similar form, eg Monaro, Torana (sort of with VE). The Efijy was never going to make it to the production line, but it cars like that do get designers thinking and could lead to some of the ideas making it onto future models.

[ImpulSSiVZ]

That would be the CTS Coupe concept, but it has nothing to do with Holden and Zeta.
Its Cadillac Sigma platform.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/detroit-2008-cadillac-cts-coupe-concept-2-doors-is-better-than/
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-coupe.html

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/cadillac-cts-coupe.jpg

Still doesn't mean it won't make it out here.
4 doors one is coming.

[ringram]

How about an SLR6200 Torana with an LS3 in it :)

[teamkiwi]

Some trademarks holden recently registered are:

Holden RXU

Holden R-MAXX

Holden WASP

Was just browsing at the trademarks and oticed that Holden WASP isnt actually being rehistered by GMH, but rather by someone else that deals with amps.

Did find Holden D-Maxx. I think Isuzu made there Rodeos that??

Anyway another that got my brain running was what ever happened to HSV DDI system that they introduce in the SV6000 a couple of years back??? You know that PDA that was in the car?

[cspiteri]

The Motorshow is on Feb 29th, the car isn't 100% finished yet and like I said it's called coupe-60 but that's all I know

Where are you getting this information from mate????

[chevypower]

I would love a big retro coupe inspired by a 57 Chevy or Cadillac, with some styling cues from the GMC Denali XT and the Efijy. Chrome bumpers, subtle fins, a mix of chrome and blue or red leather inside with bench seats, chrome on the dash facia with leather on top of the dash. A big horizontal speedo, chrome indicator stalk and chrome column shifter for the auto. large bonnet and boot (or hood and trunk). maybe a metal folding roof to make it a convertible (and make some use of the large boot). A nice burbly (nice sounding, but not hooligan sounding) Flex-fuel 6.2L V8 (with the option of a 2 mode hybrid V8). Make me that car!!!

[greenfoam]

Where are you getting this information from mate????

I can't really say because it's from people involved with the car, I got the idea loud and clear that _alot_ of people know about the car. I also realised lots of people don't want me to talk about it but I don't really care, lets see what Holden bring come the weekend. Well I know what they are bringing, a big shiny coupe as a present to Ford to celebrate the new Falcon, same as they allways do :P

[Sonic_Brew]

hurry up melbourne!

[chrism697]

I can't really say because it's from people involved with the car, I got the idea loud and clear that _alot_ of people know about the car. I also realised lots of people don't want me to talk about it but I don't really care, lets see what Holden bring come the weekend. Well I know what they are bringing, a big shiny coupe as a present to Ford to celebrate the new Falcon, same as they allways do :P
a lot of people know of the car because it takes a lot of people to design and build a concept car......but i love how your mates obviously tell you something in confidence (which that alone can get them in a LOT of trouble) then you go and plaster it on the net....really good idea!

[korrupt]

Only one more day. All should be revealed by 9am tomorrow morning.

[caz375]

I can't really say because it's from people involved with the car, I got the idea loud and clear that _alot_ of people know about the car. I also realised lots of people don't want me to talk about it but I don't really care, lets see what Holden bring come the weekend. Well I know what they are bringing, a big shiny coupe as a present to Ford to celebrate the new Falcon, same as they allways do :P


Is this the one ? I posted it it another thread but this is probably where it should be...sorry about the double post, delete if needed. Care of Humbler on LS1GTO

Having given some thought to the whole concept car and the anniversary's being celebrated (Holden's 60th, Monaro's 40th, Commodores 30th) i reckon that this would be the perfect unveiling. Manages to incorporate all the celebrations into 1 package.



http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/caz375/coupe60.jpg

[Fnomna]

Hmm. HSV tail-lights, Holden front - this pic's a bit sus.

[caz375]

And i have this overwhelming sense of de javu, I swear i've seen that pic somewhere else ...

[spank]

I don't care much for fancy concept cars. I wasn't at all impressed with Effijy.
The only way Holden will impress me is if they reveal a production ready Camaro with a confirmed date the car will go on sale. Oh, and will take my deposit! :)

what he said, im ready now to buy a camaro

[greenfoam]

Is this the one ? I posted it it another thread but this is probably where it should be...sorry about the double post, delete if needed. Care of Humbler on LS1GTO

Having given some thought to the whole concept car and the anniversary's being celebrated (Holden's 60th, Monaro's 40th, Commodores 30th) i reckon that this would be the perfect unveiling. Manages to incorporate all the celebrations into 1 package.



http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh110/caz375/coupe60.jpg

Yeah I saw that picture this morning, I think Humbler also posted a full size picture and then took it down?. I was told it has single wheel nuts the vents on the gaurds, cut slicks, etc. I know some other things also that add up to that picture being real. I'm sure that's a picture of the famous coupe-60, it's also clearly a picture taken in Australia too

[vyssbeast]

The camara is going to production ... ive mentioned dates in another thread...

just wont be anytime soon ey

[ls1ozstyle]

The camara is going to production ... ive mentioned dates in another thread...

just wont be anytime soon ey



I hope your misspelling refers to the new camaro and not insinuating holden bringing back the camira :rofl:. Never has there been a car from any manufacturer to suffer from soo much metal cancer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[Ruckus]

Gee, I don't know...if the car in the pic is The One (which certainly looks to be the case), I'm, well, perhaps a little disappointed? Perhaps disappointed is the wrong word, but let me explain.

It's a beautiful car, and a muscular and racy looking one at the same time, but it's looks so damn near to production ready, and very clearly 'VE'-ish (bog-standard grille/headlights etc). It's a tease knowing that GM just simply can't green-light the production of this thing, and given that, perhaps I was expecting more cues from future Holdens to be; some hints as to what to expect with VF (?) or Torana.

Still, it's just one pic, and the innards of the car might still hold some surprises perhaps. Having said that, I'm very much looking forward to clapping eyes on this beastie in the next couple of days.

[ti0350]

Got this from another forum dont think it's true but we can hope...
The new Torana is to be announced tomorrow at 10am.
The details are being kept quiet till then but we have been told to expect a V6, V8 and
both sedan and coupe body styles.

I'll take a V8 coupe in phantom black please Holden....

[maxter]

Go here...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/revealed-our-fastest-most-expensive-road-car/2008/02/28/1203788544765.html

Cheers,

[LSX-438]

Go here...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/revealed-our-fastest-most-expensive-road-car/2008/02/28/1203788544765.html

Cheers,

So that's an extra $75k for the motor and some brakes, yipes.

Good on them for finally doing it I suppose (if true).

So what's the significance of 'coupe 60'? Where is the coupe??

[chevypower]

Better off boring/stroking your current 6L. Or even just adding a supercharger. Or both. That is insanely overpriced.

[greenfoam]

So that's an extra $75k for the motor and some brakes, yipes.

Good on them for finally doing it I suppose (if true).

So what's the significance of 'coupe 60'? Where is the coupe??

The coupe is from Holden, HSV have a few cars to show also, this is one of HSV's. There's heapppppps of cars from Holden and HSV for the show not just one, the Sportwagons will be there too (my favorite). But I agree about this HSV, it's not fast enough to be worth 150k

[Ghosn]

Go here...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/revealed-our-fastest-most-expensive-road-car/2008/02/28/1203788544765.html

Cheers,

hmmm, interesting... First impressions it seems to lack "Flare" imo. Altho I wouldn't complain if i was behind the wheel :)

[mosoto]

it's not fast enough to be worth 150k

It will go much faster with the limiter removed...........

[geary]

that Ls7 is far and away the ugliest Holden I've ever seen. It makes me question the recent successes of the brand.

How could this have happened?

[Zero5]

ok the vehicle in this pic is covered in another thread, but what do you reckon the white sporty thing is in the left top part of this pic is??
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/goggles13/GMCDenaliXTCon16small.jpg


is this the white sporty thing in the backgound???

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/concept-cars/750hp-corvette-z03-concept-headed-for-production/

[Scommo]

News flash: To counter HSV's new 370kw GTS-R, FPV release new stripe package.!!


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[MALATO]

Coupe 60 Breaks cover:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853385_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853723_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022854154_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853967_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853913_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853385_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853500_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852751_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852795_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853366_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853984_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022854361_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852832_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853315_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852948_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852930_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852912_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852948_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853136_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022854397_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022852967_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022854172_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853932_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853949_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853743_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853571_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853551_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853706_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022853520_PV.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Malato75/GMC2008022854194_PV.jpg

[SCiFiRE]

I still dont know. The overall shape isnt bad. The lines are fine. But the black-bottom on the front spoiler looks a bit weird... I dont like the tail lights at all and the rear diffuser could've used a bit more styling. on the other hand the interior looks ok (pretty standard though), the wheels are awesome.

Anyone else wondering how people get in the back seats?

[Souljah]

Boot is too short. Looks very stumpy. Not impressed.

[GETUTED]

Awesome. The american market will love this if it went into production!

[JustCruising]

Very very NICE

[masonv0lume]

Sign me up - But I bet it will never look like this once it is made - 21" rims will probably become 19", the exhaust will probably exit the back etc.......

They still have not fixed that stupid hand brake - Push button maybe. Its the only thing that lets my VE R8 down - it wobbles, its cheap and you have to rib the bitch up just to hold it on a slight hill.

[Toddler78]

I would trade my monaro in a second for that car, that it insane, very racey looking

[MR R8]

Anyone else wondering how people get in the back seats?

Why would you :confused: It's a race car :yup: Hopefully for the street :drool:

[AndrewW]

where do I sign up ?

that interior is freaking insane.

was about to go shopping seriously for an upgrade to a clubsport, that is all on hold now.

[dadem0n]

Let's just hope that this concept is a public test of the new Torana features, in the same way that the Torana previewed VE features :yup:

Ok, Im grasping at straws :bawl:

[iloveholden]

Why do we sign people haha

Looks awsome, a street racer Holden spoton, this will show features of either the VF or a torana for sure. :smilesandbanana:

[maxter]

I would trade my monaro in a second for that car, that it insane, very racey looking

I would trade in my Wife, two kids and the dog for that in a heartbeat...

Awesome :)

[eldan89]

I'd love to see those seats as an option on the new HSV's :bow:

[ti0350]

I like sound of 7 litres of V8 370kw and 640nm pure V8 grunt 0-100 in 4.7sec ...
Interesting to see the some of the boys I know are already saying the new F6 will have 600nm, 660nm with the over boast add that and launch control it will crap all over the W427...
I think they are running scared, once again HSV have shown they have the gonads to build something like this....

[Alex81]

Here Chech this out the W427 HSV

http://www.hsv.com.au/index.asp

[plonkerchops]

just goes to show that you dont need some vomitous yesteryear retro styling to come up with something exciting . :1peek:

[IH8HSV]

I like sound of 7 litres of V8 370kw and 640nm pure V8 grunt 0-100 in 4.7sec ...
Interesting to see the some of the boys I know are already saying the new F6 will have 600nm, 660nm with the over boast add that and launch control it will crap all over the W427...


And at half the price :nyuk:

[Avalanche]

I like sound of 7 litres of V8 370kw and 640nm pure V8 grunt 0-100 in 4.7sec ...
Interesting to see the some of the boys I know are already saying the new F6 will have 600nm, 660nm with the over boast add that and launch control it will crap all over the W427...
I think they are running scared, once again HSV have shown they have the gonads to build something like this....

What, just because it has a rev limit on take off & can over boost 10% this gives it 10% extra in torque. where is that wanking icon when you need it.They should call it diff control, as in stop the diff from lunching itself.

[masonv0lume]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Mikhael]

that Ls7 is far and away the ugliest Holden I've ever seen. It makes me question the recent successes of the brand.

How could this have happened?

No Holden will ever beat dat ugle JD Camira :spew:

[Pav023]

125,000+ for a commi? Come on. If I had that money for a car ill rather buy a Porsche or a merc for the same price. Ten times better brake and safety package, while still having road presents. And if something shit happens on the road I know where I rather be in. Nothing new really just increases its Liters or in this case call GM HQ for an engine. If we are in a situation where fuel is a problem why can Holden or Ford this time copy merc or bmw in which they do in every other area, and produce 4L v8's with impressive power. Then everyone would be buying them as fuel wouldn’t be a problem. And Holden and Ford would not be in financial straits, while consumers are over the moon. Well BMW and Merc aren’t complaining.

[HJCoupe]

I got some quite detailed info today from someone that noted I knew the name of the car. For starters, Coupe-60 is a race styled 4 seater Commodore coupe and runs on E85 ethanol


It's painted chrome silver and has vents in the gaurds and scalloped doors and many more racey features:!) everyone at the motorshow will be like Ford? what Ford? I'm busy looking at this, that's the whole plan I guess


The guy that told me about it didn't mention the engine so I don't know, he only talked about the E85 badges he saw on the car


One more thing, it runs two square shape exhausts on each side of the car that exit from under the sill panel in front of the rear wheels


OK Greenfoam wins the spot on award :kneel:[

[csv rulz]

Looks friggin awesome.

All though i cant help but feel from the back it looks very similar to an audi tt

[blackbettyhsv]

I bet it has 6 (spare + steering wheel if you want to get pedantic)

7 counting the fly wheel

[heavyduty1340]

shall we make it 8 and include the reluctor wheel ???
:1peek:

[VY18s]

I like sound of 7 litres of V8 370kw and 640nm pure V8 grunt 0-100 in 4.7sec ...
Interesting to see the some of the boys I know are already saying the new F6 will have 600nm, 660nm with the over boast add that and launch control it will crap all over the W427...
I think they are running scared, once again HSV have shown they have the gonads to build something like this....

It's just hearsay. I'll believe when I see it.

[BadMac]

Plus 2 scroll wheels on the steering wheel.