Clutch Issue (current M6 box)

[CSP]

Has anyone experienced the clutch pedal not fully depressing with the current M6 box?

Was driving hard today and at one lauch the clutch only depressed halfway back when I released it. Needless to say there was a nasty burning clutch smell for a little while (10 - 20 min).

Seems fine now though. Hoping no damage was done. Are these things fairly tuff?

Anyone else experienced similar?

[Mungrel]

transmissions are strong, standard clutches are pretty piss poor.

My standard clutch did similar to what you mention. my diagnosis was the slave cylinder.

[CSP]

My standard clutch did similar to what you mention. my diagnosis was the slave cylinder.

What exactly do you mean? Should I worry about this?

[Mungrel]

depends how often ya drive it hard.
Mine survived a track night and a drag night no problems, the clutch itself was in reasonable condition and at no real risk of failure (IMO)

Its not life threatening, how is it under normal driving?

[redss]

Same problem happened with my VE's clutch on the third run at WSID a while ago. Wasn't even doing anything overly outrageous with it. 3000rpm, gentle (or so I thought) slip on launch, and the peddle stayed near the floor until I hit 2nd when it came back up... I subseqently parked the car for the rest of the night. Since then, I have had no faith in it. I figure when it goes for good, then I'll get a tex, rather than much around with standard clutches that dont even handle standard power for a couple of moderately hard launches.

Cheers

Pete

[CSP]

depends how often ya drive it hard.
Mine survived a track night and a drag night no problems, the clutch itself was in reasonable condition and at no real risk of failure (IMO)

Its not life threatening, how is it under normal driving?

Fine under normal driving...

[VXCAL346]

sounds like a tex is needed. I'll be getting mine installed soon.

[CSP]

What's a tex?

[VXCAL346]

http://www.textralia.com.au/

the best clutch IMO you can get for the late model commodore manual gearbox.

[CSP]

http://www.textralia.com.au/

the best clutch IMO you can get for the late model commodore manual gearbox.

OK cool... But is is really worth it? Admitedly, my incident happened while the rear wheels were somewhat without traction :jester: and it's been fine ever since. Even driving harder than average.

If it never sees a track and is just driven as it was intended by Holden, shouldn't I be fine with the factory one?

[VXCAL346]

if you dont ever plan on racing it and just giving it the occassional squirt on the street then the standard clutch should be fine. But if you plan on racing it you will more than likely have problems with it n the first race.

[Mungrel]

OK cool... But is is really worth it? Admitedly, my incident happened while the rear wheels were somewhat without traction :jester: and it's been fine ever since. Even driving harder than average.

If it never sees a track and is just driven as it was intended by Holden, shouldn't I be fine with the factory one?


It depends what you plan to do with your car.
Bare in mind, everyone starts off saying "I'll just get an exhaust, intake and tune" and well we all know what happens after that...

Standard power, normal driving with the occasional moment like you've described you should be fine. As i mentioned before, i'd taken mine to the drags and did 4 passes launching from upwards of 3500rpm and slipping the clutch off the line. This was with a full ute-load of crap in the back for Motorvation. The clutch didnt miss a beat!

7 Months later i took it to a track night - again, standard clutch, giving it a hiding and it was only once the clutch really heated up, it started to slip on my 3rd outing or so. Drove home, and again no problems with slipping - just the extremely short travel of the clutch pedal after spirited driving.

When you think that a genuine clutch is worth over a grand (well they were wen i worked in a dealership 2+ yrs ago!), and an X grip is $1450, why wouldn't you spend the extra money? At least you know it'll be better than the standard clutch yet still feel pretty standard.

The catch 22 of it, is that if it is just the slave cylinder, you've gotta rip the trans out anyways so essentially you're better off to replace slave cylinder (which has the throwout bearing), clutch, braided clutch lines, and spiggot bearing as well.

Ofcourse there is no reason why you can't just replace the faulty item, however the last thing you want is to pull the transmission out, and realise oh shit, my pressure plate is rooted and be waiting x amount of time for a replacement parts you hadn't planned on replacing.

The other downside is, you can be damn sure that once its all back together, something else is gonna break and out she comes again.

As mentioned though, it all depends on what you've got planned for your car, and what your willing to settle for.

[CSP]

Happened again today. Not trying to pull a burnout or anything, just launching hard in first. Although I noticed quickly and corrected.

Thinking about it, it may be me. Don't get me wrong, I can drive a manual but this is my first V8 manual. Maybe I'm slipping it too much? Maybe it's too many revs?

It's going to be due for the 15,000km service in the next couple of months so should I mention it to the service guys?

[michaels1v8]

Standard clutches really cant take too much abuse.

Regular driving is fine with them but any spirited launches really seems to fry them.

Mention it to the service guys but I dont think they will fix it until it is gone completely.

[EXCESSV]

i have had the clutch go straight to the floor and not return a couple of times now and had to pick it off the floor with my toes....not fun :vpo:

the aftermarket clutch will handle more punishment and can take more heat from slipping etc but its not THE fix.

we have been testing a fix with my car and so far seems good....cant say much now due to respect to the workshop i am doing the testing for....

[CSP]

OK... Thanks again guys. Looks like I'll just drive around it for now.

Keen to know the solution EXCESSV once it's OK for it to be public knowledge.

[EXCESSV]

Keen to know the solution EXCESSV once it's OK for it to be public knowledge.once i can say will tell u no problem.

some more testing to be done.

i could tell you now but i would have to kill you after :evil: :lmao:

[priddy7]

The standed clutches are shit had two standed ones now just killed the second one at motorvation last weekend . going for a ace twin plate or a tex z grip .

[CSP]

Well I'll stick with stock ones for now... Under warranty until 2010 :D

[Teal]

Havent had an issuse with my clutch yet (touch wood) mind you I have only realy pushed it hard a couple of times.

Made this guy in his rice burner sh*t himself, left him for dead lol.

[huggies]

Well I'll stick with stock ones for now... Under warranty until 2010 :D
Good luck getting clutches out of them :( :bawl:

[CSP]

If one ####s out on me while it's under warranty the better bloody well replace it! Not my problem they put a clutch in the car that can't handle semi-regular spirited driving...

[priddy7]

Good luck getting clutches out of them :(

I second that , I had a prick of a time getting one through warranty.


once i can say will tell u no problem.

some more testing to be done.

i could tell you now but i would have to kill you after :evil: :lmao:

come on dean don't be a tight lip prick . give us a hint!

[VE man]

I had my VE SSV at willowbank on saturday night, did 7 runs and the clutch is fine, Was a bit smelly after a couple of runs but still worked ok.


I did a wet tarmac motorkana when it had 600km on it and the clutch slipped like a bastard, but seems ok now with 1800km.

[priddy7]

I had my VE SSV at willowbank on saturday night, did 7 runs and the clutch is fine, Was a bit smelly after a couple of runs but still worked ok.


I did a wet tarmac motorkana when it had 600km on it and the clutch slipped like a bastard, but seems ok now with 1800km.

what HP are you running because when it over 400HP the clutch don't like it.

[EXCESSV]

If one ####s out on me while it's under warranty the better bloody well replace it! Not my problem they put a clutch in the car that can't handle semi-regular spirited driving...they class the clutch as a consumable like brake pads, etc
so unless it actually fails due to what they call "an internal error" then clutches dont generally get replaced unless your really really nice to the dealer and they let it slip

come on dean don't be a tight lip prick . give us a hint!tight lip prick :shock:
glad u werent standing around your car at MV when i was looking otherwise u might have given me a :kapow:........:jester:

would love to priddy...but until its tested i cant say...

put it this way....its something u would never have thought and the mod comes to a grand total of $0 if u do it urself.....i have said too much already :hide:

[VE man]

Its totally stock. Standard everything. Ran 13.7@102

It even smelt like clutch when i bought it home from the dealer, not overpowering but i could smell faint clutch smell.

Its pretty average really to have these sorts of problems with new cars. Clutch problems have been about for years with v8 manual commodores haven't they??

[priddy7]

they class the clutch as a consumable like brake pads, etc
so unless it actually fails due to what they call "an internal error" then clutches dont generally get replaced unless your really really nice to the dealer and they let it slip
tight lip prick :shock:
glad u werent standing around your car at MV when i was looking otherwise u might have given me a :kapow:........:jester:

would love to priddy...but until its tested i cant say...

put it this way....its something u would never have thought and the mod comes to a grand total of $0 if u do it urself.....i have said too much already :hide:

now now Dean chill man , What day did you go to MV. And what did you think of the car this year .And keep me posted on the $0 upgrade because my new clutch goes in soon and if I can fix two things at once that would be cool .

[EXCESSV]

now now Dean chill man , What day did you go to MV. And what did you think of the car this year .And keep me posted on the $0 upgrade because my new clutch goes in soon and if I can fix two things at once that would be cool .was there on saturday all day
saw your lovely beast :drool:...i dont like chrome but ur rims on ur car at that ride height :drool::cool:

will keep ya posted on the mod

[BLAZEY]

If one ####s out on me while it's under warranty the better bloody well replace it! Not my problem they put a clutch in the car that can't handle semi-regular spirited driving...


i got a clutch at 10k on my 3rd diff....



shit quality holden products

[CSP]

its something u would never have thought and the mod comes to a grand total of $0 if u do it urself.....i have said too much already :hide:

OK so tell me it's not as simple as a return spring setup for the clutch pedal!

If not, I may have just given myself a good idea! lol

:smilesandbanana:

[AndyVESSute]

hey guys, have had the same proplem with my clutch, looking at getting a new one talking to some mechanics the standard clutch has a torque limiter which is why pedal stays down, damn annoying still going to be upgrading!

[towieguy24]

the mate with the prob popped the clutch out of a side street last nite with ESP turned off and it didnt stick dont know if that does something to the pedel

[Tecca]

CSP your safest option would be to get a Textralia clutch put it, might aswell go the extra coin and get something that is designed to take a bit of punishment here and there:) as said Holden are really tight on replacing stuff like that. Atleast with the Z/X Grip you don't have to worry about it ending up doing the same problem again.

[BLACKSSV]

I had the same problem with the clutch staying low this morning. I launched pretty hard with some slip and power through the gears. Once I slowed up I noticed the clutch pedal remained about two inches lower than the brake pedal. It took another 5 or so gear changes or 20 seconds off the gas for the clutch to return to the normal position.
The problem has not returned all day but it does put some doubt in my mind on the longevity of the clutch.

[KCB50L]

If one ####s out on me while it's under warranty the better bloody well replace it! Not my problem they put a clutch in the car that can't handle semi-regular spirited driving...


Hate to tell you this but Holden only warrent clutches for 20000km's, the slave is covered for the hole warrenty, but the rest is only 20000.

[Phantom-R8]

My clutch was replaced under warranty by HSV (through the dealer) at 30,000kms because it wouldn't depress under load. I've just clocked over 40,000kms and it's started doing it again - sounds like I'm not alone. Time for a tex I think.

[CSP]

CSP your safest option would be to get a Textralia clutch put it, might aswell go the extra coin and get something that is designed to take a bit of punishment here and there:) as said Holden are really tight on replacing stuff like that. Atleast with the Z/X Grip you don't have to worry about it ending up doing the same problem again.

So do I get the Z grip or the X grip? I don't want a noisy clutch, something I've heard can get annoying with the Tex's.

[Super_Matt]

I replaced my clutch with a tex z grip around 9000km. I've had slight shuddering from time to time but that because i havent given it enough revs.

Otherwise it has been great.


They wouldnt replace mine under warrenty due to it being over 12 months old but one same note i didnt exactly puch it as i want to replace it with something i knew would cope with some extra power.

[DaveHAT]

So do I get the Z grip or the X grip? I don't want a noisy clutch, something I've heard can get annoying with the Tex's.

What about an LS7 clutch?

[laz87]

Mine does the same getting exedy cllutch apparently there good

[EXCESSV]

What about an LS7 clutch?a good option if ur not gonna beat up on it at the track etc...

very driver friendly clutch...drove one in a VE SSV and it was great for a stock replacement

[LS1-5.7]

As mentioned here the stock clutches are ok if treated kindly but will complain if abused. Even the best behaved standard ones have a mind of their own ... To all who enjoy changing gears themselves, bleed your clutch fluid at regular intervals eg 6 months and your pedal will stay more consistent in feel and drivability. The black scum that forms in the master cylinder will also be kept at a minimum. As always, any manufacturers decision regarding the durability of clutches is a fine line between Cost during assembly, expected life and cost of warranty claims. Most manufacturers will blaim driver error before they'll concede defeat and admit the part is substandard.
Why fight tooth & nail getting a standard replacement one when you'll ultimately upgrade it anyway.

[SV346]

My standard clutch seems alright at the moment, its copped a fair bit, but even from day dot you always wonder if the clutch will hold to 20-30000kms, it feels pretty weedy, but mines working alright thankfully :) Its only had one or two full bawl launches in its 10000kms, the rest has just been on the move fanging if that makes a difference :)

[GC0008]

Same thing happened to mine. Discovered it on the return road at Willowbank last weekend. It came good, but looks like a new clutch might be the answer.