The Ve Is Gone...

[ilovebeer]

I`ve been buying HOLDEN`S for 30 years and after much agro, and dissatisfaction, this has been an experience I will NOT forget! So if anyone from HOLDEN reads this `take note` there is now one less buyer of your product............I just purchased a new HONDA. Good bye Holden I won`t be back...........Ross...

[Evman]

Sorry to hear you had such a terrible experience mate...Hope the Honda works out better for you :)

[CSP]

Hope he hasn't bought one of Hondas bad eggs...

Every manufactuer has them occasionally. It's just sad when people think it's EVERY car off the production line when they get a bad one.

It really isn't.

I'm on my second VE (well one VE and one E-Series) and both have been/are bloody brilliant!

[Steve-LS2]

I`ve been buying HOLDEN`S for 30 years and after much agro, and dissatisfaction, this has been an experience I will NOT forget! So if anyone from HOLDEN reads this `take note` there is now one less buyer of your product............I just purchased a new HONDA. Good bye Holden I won`t be back...........Ross...

Err, thanks, maybe you could tell us what happen....:confused:

[Danv8]

Hope he hasn't bought one of Hondas bad eggs...

Every manufactuer has them occasionally. It's just sad when people think it's EVERY car off the production line when they get a bad one.

It really isn't.

I'm on my second VE (well one VE and one E-Series) and both have been/are bloody brilliant!

Yup my mrs wouldn't have a bar of Mazda ever again after the SP23 she had.
I just tell her every manufacturer has the odd dud or two.

[RED R8]

I`ve been buying HOLDEN`S for 30 years and after much agro, and dissatisfaction, this has been an experience I will NOT forget! So if anyone from HOLDEN reads this `take note` there is now one less buyer of your product............I just purchased a new HONDA. Good bye Holden I won`t be back...........Ross...

I hope you like the Honda I bought my wife a Accord Euro sold it one week (I kid you not) later she didnt like it and I was disapointed in the fit and finish...each to their own though ,hope you like yours.

[Holden Man]

Hasn't Honda Australia gone to sourcing their cars from the Tawainese factories now - due to cheaper tariffs (I think)

Which Honda did you get ? (I like the Euros - very nice)

[German Statesman]

I`ve been buying HOLDEN`S for 30 years and after much agro, and dissatisfaction, this has been an experience I will NOT forget! So if anyone from HOLDEN reads this `take note` there is now one less buyer of your product............I just purchased a new HONDA. Good bye Holden I won`t be back...........Ross...

I hope you don't think you won't have service issues with Hondas....

For starters there were three recalls/campaigns active for current production Hondas when I worked for a dealer, so no manufacturer is immune from them.

Premature tyre wear across the range of vehicles is common with some vehicles very sensitive to wheel alignments, cost of servicing is a big complaint along with Hondas monopoly on the fluids like power steering/auto fluid and coolant, cost of parts when car is out of warranty e.g. seat belt SRS harness for a MY'00 Legend used to be $1140 ex-Japan and it is a common failure....

You may be in a better built and finished car, but don't think its turn the key and go...judge it after you've worn it for a while.

[Caprice270]

Sounds like you've had some bad luck. It would be good to know what has gone wrong so that others don't fall into the same trap. But agree with others...all manufacturers will occassionally produce a dud. I've been fortunate with all my Holdens, Nissans and Mazdas thankfully.

[Brandonsdad]

I`ve been buying HOLDEN`S for 30 years and after much agro, and dissatisfaction, this has been an experience I will NOT forget! So if anyone from HOLDEN reads this `take note` there is now one less buyer of your product............I just purchased a new HONDA. Good bye Holden I won`t be back...........Ross...

Dont Honda only make motorbikes?:eyes:

[Brendan]

Hope you are looking forward to the exorbidant prices Honda charge for their parts.

[R8_Maloo]

mabey he is just chasing some v-tec yo!

what happened to the VE mate?

[Q8SS08MT]

How could you go down from a Holden to a Honda ?

Personally id rather drive a crappy holden then a 08 Honda

[ATOMICSS]

Yup my mrs wouldn't have a bar of Mazda ever again after the SP23 she had.
I just tell her every manufacturer has the odd dud or two.

Yep some people are like that. My uncle bought a new VB Commodore L in 1978 which fell apart in 4 years (he's a farmer and drives over a lot of rough country roads/ paddocks etc). Since then he's been a passionate Commodore hater, and to this day wouldn't contemplate buying any Commodore.

[smokin joe]

Yep some people are like that. My uncle bought a new VB Commodore L in 1978 which fell apart in 4 years (he's a farmer and drives over a lot of rough country roads/ paddocks etc). Since then he's been a passionate Commodore hater, and to this day wouldn't contemplate buying any Commodore.hahhahahahahhaha

[Danv8]

Yep some people are like that. My uncle bought a new VB Commodore L in 1978 which fell apart in 4 years (he's a farmer and drives over a lot of rough country roads/ paddocks etc). Since then he's been a passionate Commodore hater, and to this day wouldn't contemplate buying any Commodore.

LOL
I bet it would of lasted longer if it wasn't driven on paddocks. :-)

[planetdavo]

Hasn't Honda Australia gone to sourcing their cars from the Tawainese factories now - due to cheaper tariffs (I think)

Which Honda did you get ? (I like the Euros - very nice)
Thailand, due to free trade agreement tariff reduction.
Euro's are still made in Japan, as are Legend and Hybrid Civic.
He obviously just wants to stir up trouble over it, hence the thread with a lack of detail. It's a free world. If you're not happy, you move on and buy something else! If you've got the sh!ts up and are stressed over it, you get on forums and tell everyone.
He should find the Honda nice, but they have less room, less power, and cost more to maintain, so whether it ends been all positive, time will tell!

[igniton]

Dont Honda only make motorbikes?:eyes:

and lawn mowers...i think the mower is better than the car

[KeenGolfer]

You know, you read these posts and think, SHIT, all these problems, but I don`t have ANY!!!!........Well guess where the car is, yep, getting the battery charged at the DEALER. Flat as a shitcarters...

Posted on 18/12/2007.

So he got a flat battery a month ago and now has sold the car?

[Danv8]

Posted on 18/12/2007.

So he got a flat battery a month ago and now has sold the car?

Reminds me I must return my Dolphin torch for a refund since the battery went flat.
;)

[planetdavo]

His ride STILL says "VE SV6". Thought it might have said "formerly sh!tbox VE, I hate Holdens" perhaps...?

[Steve-LS2]

mmm 1 post then disappearing, remind anyone of XR6T GEN????:rofl:

[HSVQUE]

good luck with your girls car mate.

[ti0350]

good luck with your girls car mate.
:rofl::rofl: What makes that extra funny to me is the only people I know with Hondas are girls..

[CSP]

mmm 1 post then disappearing, remind anyone of XR6T GEN????:rofl:

No! Don't remind us of that useless twat! He didn't just post once and leave. I wish he had! He kept on with his dribble over and over and over and over... ah you get the point!

[GMMAD]

:wave::wave:

[Steve-LS2]

:wave::wave:


:lmao::lmao:

[Brandonsdad]

:rofl::rofl: What makes that extra funny to me is the only people I know with Hondas are girls..

And asians.

[swingtan]

I guess a few may have missed this gem.....


http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=89034


18-12-2007, 06:14 PM
To whom this does concern, RE: VE`S with FLAT BATTERIES why is this not a recall for all vehicles to have a simple FLASH. It seem all vehicles do not get done at SERVICE INTERVALS as your bulletin suggests. Are YOUR dealers incompetent, is Holden incompetent or should I expect to be treated as a FOOL for spending MY money on YOUR products for atleast 30 years. These are the simple things that sway buying. I have spoken with my dealer and can not accept 12 to 13 working hours will cure a flat battery. The dealer hours are unacceptable.The fact that HOLDEN, knowing this is a software problem for such a long time, is also unacceptable. I hope you( HOLDEN ) take this seriously from a long term customer of your products.....................Ross...

I guess some people expect perfection and are disappointed when they get something less. Let him vent and move on.

[ilovebeer]

A little history... I`m getting older now, and don`t enjoy maintenance any more, rather pay and be done with it! Mods are different and maybe I`m just to `OLD SCHOOL`. I was driving a VE SV6 and it was a compromise, but I was `happy` enough with the DRIVE & PERFORMANCE it provided. The things I`ve read that ALL you blokes have written, and I take with respect, I have said to many others myself.Yes I`ve been around cars All my life. Mostly ,in, under the dirty hands and making sure you finish that re build and run the cam in at 2.00am through the headers in an iron garage and piss all the neighbours off and think, whats your problem! This thing is ALIVE mate.......mmmmmmmmmmm still a petrol head. Loyalty is big with me, if your `my mate`and rang at 2.00am, I might ask if you could wait till I`ve run the cam in, lol, but I would`nt ask why, just where and I`m coming now.Probably why I`ve stuck with HOLDEN for so long and the greatest of AUSSIE traditions she`ll be right mate ! So what goes around, comes around, and that with respect not malice. Ive had some brilliant Holdens, a HG. prem wagon with 412rwhp muncie m22 9`` steer air full elecs to VS GTS/R Genuine car with mods and probably my pinnicle cars with 20 yrs. of others in between. Yes I`m pissed off with HOLDEN and Yes I`m venting and if I have a problem with the Honda `IT` wil return through the showroom window................PS: I said to the salesman `Don`t laugh about that mate!`...Ross

Yeah.......... I never burnt anyone here...amazing how all the weak c#$ts always jump on too quick!!! Chest out and ya head can`t be found...Ross.

[planetdavo]

Perhaps a "strong" decision would have just been to move on without all the anger and the need to "vent". It's just a car. There will ALWAYS be good ones, average ones, and sh!t ones!
See ya.

[CSP]

Yeah.......... I never burnt anyone here...amazing how all the weak c#$ts always jump on too quick!!! Chest out and ya head can`t be found...Ross.

That's not what people have done. You posted a blunt OP with no details and seemed to tar all VE's with the same brush. Let me tell you this, EVERY manufacturer has a bad car every now and then. That's why there's a warranty period.

You had one bad experience... So what? Doesn't mean all Holdens are like that. Far from it. Like I said, I'm on my second VE and both have been GREAT!

I hope you end up with more problems with the Accord! Arrogance and narrow mindedness gets you nowhere :flipoff:

[redvxr8clubby]

Ross, what was the problem with the VE - I gather flat battery, I assume must have recurred frequently for you to be so cheesed off. So do you know what the reason was - is it anything to do with battery location/ cable length to starter, or something presumably discharging the battery. I find if I leave my Clubby standing for 2 weeks there isn't enough grunt left to start - it's OK after a week or 10 days or so. It sounds like your problem is more persistent - did it go flat overnight. Don't the VE's have some special battery type for some reason? What is the edit that was mentioned in one reply, must disable something after a period of time? How many visits to the dealer - I think a lot of people on here would like more info as to what the problem was, as it comes across as battery flat (perhaps numerous times) so I sold the POS. Was your car an early build 2006?

Flat battery must be fixable, if the problem is intermittent and unknown to Holden, it's a fact of life that intermittent problems are much more difficult to track down than a problem that is fairly obvious what the fix would be.....Dave.

[mustanger]

You have gone for now :wave:...........but from that famous quote..(Puts on his Arnold Schwartznegger voice) ....."You`ll be back" :lol:

[ilovebeer]

You have gone for now :wave:...........but from that famous quote..(Puts on his Arnold Schwartznegger voice) ....."You`ll be back" :lol:

Not for a while I think Mustanger ....... Too many things wrong to mention` and YES all small but no joy and never completly fixed and one thing lead to another between Holden and tried a number of Dealers...............Just over it.........Ross...

[CSP]

Flat battery must be fixable, if the problem is intermittent and unknown to Holden, it's a fact of life that intermittent problems are much more difficult to track down than a problem that is fairly obvious what the fix would be.....Dave.

There's a techline for the VE battery issue. They replace the BCM, replace or recharge the battery and problem solved.

Been mentioned on this (and other) forums many times.

[GODSMACK]

That's not what people have done. You posted a blunt OP with no details and seemed to tar all VE's with the same brush. Let me tell you this, EVERY manufacturer has a bad car every now and then. That's why there's a warranty period.

You had one bad experience... So what? Doesn't mean all Holdens are like that. Far from it. Like I said, I'm on my second VE and both have been GREAT!

I hope you end up with more problems with the Accord! Arrogance and narrow mindedness gets you nowhere :flipoff:
Good post Kris.. My VE goes in this Wednesday to get its sump gasket replaced, and to have the whole front RHS suspension changed under warranty. yeah its a pain, but as a whole it hasnt changed my perception on how much i enjoy owning/driving a Holden V8.

And Kris, how the f**k did you get validated so quickly.. Dont you have to go on a cruise or some shit to get that?? Bastard!!!

Also, my partner drives a Euro, and they are a bloody magnificent vehicle... No problems what so ever, economical, and go okay for a 2.4L... What it lacks in performance compared to the 6.0L, it makes up in interior styling and features (comparing it to my SS, not V series..).. JMO.... I actually quite enjoy driving it..

[Steve-LS2]

There's a techline for the VE battery issue. They replace the BCM, replace or recharge the battery and problem solved.

Been mentioned on this (and other) forums many times.

I don't think he cares any more, as he said he's over it, obviously his fingers are sore from all the ......'s and he cant actually tell us what the issues are.

Just another pointless thread, why didn't you post this on a ford forum??

[ilovebeer]

.............The rant is over .....Thanks............Ross...

[superoo]

Not quite sure what the original poster has done to deserve some of these remarks. Yeah, the problem seems minor but everyone is entitled to make their own mind up. It's true that all manufacturers have problem cars but when you have one of them, it's not easy just to say "Oh well, thats alright because I know lots of others that are fine". I doubt he has tarred the VE image nor assumed "they are all like that". If I had to feel tarred everytime someone told me what went wrong with their BA, I'd have sold mine 10 times over. Time is money for a lot of people and a car sitting at a dealership due to flat batteries can end up costing heaps.

[Sonnymad]

I was once run over by a toyota "oh wat a feeling"

[GODSMACK]

I was once run over by a toyota "oh wat a feeling"
That was a poor attempt at humour...

[Sonnymad]

That was a poor attempt at humour...

it was worth a try ;)

[lowriding]

well i don't know if you will get your satisfaction in Honda - i had one once,brand new top of the line vtir prelude .They are no better at resolution of issues let me tell you now... I do however empathize with your plight though and I get your message. Dealers and manufacturers can lead to constant and irritating frustration to the degree you just will not ever give them the satisfaction of getting your dollars again...good luck with the new car anyway .

cheers

[redvxr8clubby]

Hope you enjoy the Honda Ross, shame your VE experience wasn't better for you. Yeah I can understand you would be cheesed off after spending over $40K on a new car and having a list of ongoing problems. I think if I was to downsize from a Commodore (I have a VS Exec V6 and the Clubby), I think a Mazda 6, or an Accrd Euro would be high on the short list in that price range. My son and wife had a Holden Viva sedan (new), for a year, traded it after a list of problems (seemed to me to be mainly not to serious - but having to get it towed back to the dealer certainly didn't help), but they were "over it" and wound up just hating the car. I think they were probably pretty hard markers on a car in that price range, but at the of the day (like you) they over it and wanted out.
They are so far happy with their new purchase (Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0), seems quite a good thing for $28,990 drive away...........Dave.

[planetdavo]

What was it again about people saying "never buy the first of a new model"?
It's a risk you take with an all new model, to be seen in the latest and greatest!
I'm sure the Euro will perform to his requirements quite well. This model has been out (with minimal change) since 2003, so is well proven reliability wise, if perhaps a bit "familiar" these days.

[ilovebeer]

Ross, what was the problem with the VE - I gather flat battery, I assume must have recurred frequently for you to be so cheesed off. So do you know what the reason was - is it anything to do with battery location/ cable length to starter, or something presumably discharging the battery. I find if I leave my Clubby standing for 2 weeks there isn't enough grunt left to start - it's OK after a week or 10 days or so. It sounds like your problem is more persistent - did it go flat overnight. Don't the VE's have some special battery type for some reason? What is the edit that was mentioned in one reply, must disable something after a period of time? How many visits to the dealer - I think a lot of people on here would like more info as to what the problem was, as it comes across as battery flat (perhaps numerous times) so I sold the POS. Was your car an early build 2006?

Flat battery must be fixable, if the problem is intermittent and unknown to Holden, it's a fact of life that intermittent problems are much more difficult to track down than a problem that is fairly obvious what the fix would be.....Dave.

It`s just software Dave, Pissde me off but there was plenty more.......Ross...

[kadir103]

honestly do u really think holden or us really give a shit :]

[CarlFST60L]

My boss owned a Sunbird back in 1705BC which had a brake line fail after many many long years of service, but the arrogant fool still hates all GM products to this day regardless :lol: stupid, ignorant and arrogant, what a combination! (Not that he think he is any of those things)
EDIT: This same guy gave my wife a Magna (for a work car) with 360,000km on it, the front right suspension failed (yay, springy), the car brakes down once a month at least, we just valued the car at $1000 :lol: There is no excuse for this man.

I have had a few guys tell me about their bad experiences with Holden, but only once agreed they got a lemon, sort of. Every other person that claims lemon its been more to do with their attitude - rude, arrogant, know it all, general bad attitude or an other number of attributes they are unaware of. By all means, make it two people on the list of lemon owners, so far, you had a flat battery, maybe it was twice and that really got you angry because the apprentice's Jedi powers were off :1peek:

Personally, with 150,000km in modified commodores and now 25,000km in a brand new 300kwrw R8, I have never once had a 'real problem' with any of my cars or familys/friends that I can recall, even after all the track days, drag days, skid pan days, towing the boat up and down the east coast. Sure things have happened, but I just talk to the service manager (now sonny) and it gets magically fixed and I go on my way.

Well I hope you never have a flat battery again, or, have some other fault misdiagnosed with your car :hide: Back in 10, got to get my flame suit out

[CLUBRED]

Dad's got a Thai built Accord V6, not one problem in 2 years (almost 3), well not with the Thai components anyways, some dill here couldn't fit the metallic interior trim straight which ended up costing Honda a new glovebox lid. Service guy also scratched up one of his rims, they flately denied it but dad knew he didn't do it, I knew I didn't do it - I noticed it as I detail it every month for him, along with a few greesey hand marks on the interior from the same service. Its dad's first non holden after a long string of problem free toranas, kingswoods and commodores. The only thing he misses is the RWD and relatively cheap maintenance, but he's already said he's not gong back to a Commodore, next is the Legend. People change I guess.

[TYREFRIAR]

:bawl:iluvbeer,:bawl:

do they sell harden up by the slab in a bottle shop near you ?
































:jester:

[Wonky]

.......toyota "oh wat a feeling"

Oh twat a feeling??? :confused:

[EddieVE06]

I suppose every brand has its good and bad points. I have a Nov 06 build VE SV6 and have not had any problems with anything apart from a creaky belt buckle which was fixed with WD40 and a clip that broke near the steering rack which leaked some oil, but ficed during servic.

Mine must have been built on a Monday rather than a Friday. Touch wood wont start having problems from after i finish this post.

I suppose with the amount of Commodores built every year there will alway be a few that dont stand up, unfortunately someone will end up with it.

Good luck with the new car.

[MYTO8]

I know the feeling i bought a ozito cordless drill the other week taken it back twice the battery keeps going flat. You have inspired me to trade it at cash convertors tommorrow and buy a hitachi because bunnings told me its common so i just keep bringing back but it has let me down one to many times. I have been a loyal ozito buyer from day dot but i am severing the friendship

[Slimbo]

.............The rant is over .....Thanks............Ross...

Seriously Ross, nobody could or would be more pissed at Holden than I am, in my WH Caprice from 23,000Km to 60,000Kms i had 5 brand new engines replaced, cough, yes you read correctly, 5 brand spankers, the last engine was balanced by GM at Port Melbourne and had all sorts of mods, it hammered, was heaps better than the previous motors.

Did i stick with Holden, yep, now have the current 6lt Caprice, is it noisy, yep, has some noises in it, time will tell if there is probs with this motor as well.

Ross (Another Ross)

[theVman]

So if your a Ross . . hmm maybe you should steer clear of Holdens . . lol

My boss was having similar battery related problems with his new Calais V, got stranded a fair few times during the process but being the Holden fan he is and loyal to the Australian product (he is the CEO, most of the directors have BMW, SAAB etc) he plugged on....

These days he couldnt be happier. I guess these niggly problems do happen and they are definatley frustrating but its often the dealers who make them worse. Be intersting to know what else went wrong to make you so upset...

[Slimbo]

So if your a Ross . . hmm maybe you should steer clear of Holdens . . lol

My boss was having similar battery related problems with his new Calais V, got stranded a fair few times during the process but being the Holden fan he is and loyal to the Australian product (he is the CEO, most of the directors have BMW, SAAB etc) he plugged on....

These days he couldnt be happier. I guess these niggly problems do happen and they are definatley frustrating but its often the dealers who make them worse. Be intersting to know what else went wrong to make you so upset...

I have been a holden Man from the time i started driving, first car was a LX torana, i have found that if you don't loose it even though being very upset, you tend to get a lot further with your complaints.

Holden were great to me, provided hire car everytime my WH was in the shop, there was more damage done buy the apprentices than anything else, all in all a bad problem was sorted in the end, the last time i went to pick up my WH, i refused to take it because the car was not as i purchased it, had the hire car another two weeks before they sorted the problem, i could write a book on it if i had time........

Customer Service at GM were brilliant, nothing was too much trouble, you must put your complaints in writing to get the best and speedy action and response, worked for me.

I have owned the WM since late December, and have already written to GM with some concerns, nothing wrong with the car, more questions on why were what i consider important features in the WH removed in the WM, also mentioned the Royale Grille as opposed to the GM Grille, i really feel the Royale Grille with the WH Lion emblem on the bonnet would have been a much better choice.

I'm rambling.... I'll stop now.


Ross

[Micks]

I can see this man is pisst with his buy & probbly has every right.
A poster here mentioned in this thread that Hondas will cost a whole lot more in maintenance etc. This I don't believe to be true as I had an Accord around four yrs ago & also a Calais 5.0L, the Accord needed a new dizzy & didn't have the time to do it myself & got the Honda dealer @ Rockdale to do it. All new parts & fitted tuned etc $440.
For a joke I went into Holden spare parts @ Rockdale also & asked a price on a new dizzy to suit my Calais $578 & I had to fit it.
Another occasion had all the overhead belts done @ Honda around $400 with a overhead timing adjustment & tune done as well. They used all original parts too mind you...
I think its all to do with who you buy from & who does what in most cases.
Just remember Holden Dealers are Holden franchises big difference I'm afraid.

Just my 2c worth.

Cheers
VYT

[planetdavo]

You might want to price a few more parts YVT. Most Honda distributors easily top $1000. You may have found the ONLY exception.
It's not a rosy picture, and Honda Aust is aware of the perception of the ownership costs in the marketplace, something the Thailand sourcing of many models has helped, to varying degrees of success.

[Micks]

Yeah but its not my comparison here of the two vehicles....
I consider the Honda to be an equal of a Calais, maybe not in output of Luxury.
Honda have always built a nice motor car probbly best of all japs....

Cheers
VYT

[VXSS346]

Ok so I learnt something new today.

Honda make perfect cars. Cool!!! :yahoo:

Cheers :)

[German Statesman]

To be perfectly honest, Honda make a great product - i was happy referring people to buy them but the cost of ownership can be high.

Davo is right - the early 90s Accords are known for flogging out the distributor bearings, and the housing alone was $800 with a complete ready to put in unit around $1200 plus labour.

IMHO the purpose of my posts on this thread, is to kill the common perception that Honda have happy customers - not so...

[Teal]

Sad that after 30 years of driving & loving holdens it takes only one lemon to bring the whole thing crashing down.

[EfiJy]

lucky u didnt go a bm or merc. elctronics r a nitemare :bawl:

[Micks]

To be perfectly honest, Honda make a great product - i was happy referring people to buy them but the cost of ownership can be high.

Davo is right - the early 90s Accords are known for flogging out the distributor bearings, and the housing alone was $800 with a complete ready to put in unit around $1200 plus labour.

IMHO the purpose of my posts on this thread, is to kill the common perception that Honda have happy customers - not so...

Gee, where did you go? that was rich??

Cheers
VYT

[German Statesman]

That was the standard price...it wasn't until Honda started copping a serve about how expensive their cars were to crash repair that they started lowering prices

[CarlFST60L]

Sad that after 30 years of driving & loving holdens it takes only one lemon to bring the whole thing crashing down.

Just because he cry's lemon, doesn't mean it is! So far its a flat battery from some software issue (which most of know about anyway). I refer to my original post in this thread, there are many cases where faulty customers/service departments/suppliers make a car appear to be a lemon, when it really has nothing to do with the car, therefore the people involved are the lemons, no the car.

[GODSMACK]

Partners euro has been a gem. I spose when it comes to maintainance, im lucky my uncle is a mechanic, so i will pay trade for all parts, not that its needed it yet, the car is only 30,000kms old. having said that, the car has been flawless since purchasing it mid 2006.

The VE went in today to have the sump gasket replaced, and the whole front RHS suspension replaced under warranty.. A pain in the ass yes, but does that maike the Holden any less enjoyable, or a 'lemon', f**k no!! Still love my VE!!!

[Devil CV8]

It`s just software Dave, Pissde me off but there was plenty more.......Ross...

plenty more??? you must have a low tolerance if you have had plenty of problems since december's (refer drewbytes post) flat battery where you stated you hadn't had any problems until then....

[Micks]

Ive had plenty of probs with me VY but its still one of the best work trucks I had.

Cheers
VYT

[Clutch22]

I do work for Holden in sales. I won't say which dealer at risk of sounding like I'm advertising.

You should know that the VE is a calcium based battery. It was designed to make the motor run more economically. It has the downfall though of not being able to recharge when the car is running like most car batteries. So, if you somehow make the car go flat (automatic headlights? Can't leave the stereo on when you take the key out?) then the car needs to be put on a 24 hour charge. This information is readily available in the books you received upon delivery of the vehicle.

This is why you are supplied the books, for you to read and use caution. If you want to use your DVD player in your Calais V, then be sure to leave the engine running because those DVD players suck up a lot of juice from the battery.

Use caution and common sense. Your dealer should have warned you, as I do all my customers about the change to the battery and warn them of what will need to happen if the batter does go flat.

[CarlFST60L]

I do work for Holden in sales. I won't say which dealer at risk of sounding like I'm advertising.

You should know that the VE is a calcium based battery. It was designed to make the motor run more economically. It has the downfall though of not being able to recharge when the car is running like most car batteries. So, if you somehow make the car go flat (automatic headlights? Can't leave the stereo on when you take the key out?) then the car needs to be put on a 24 hour charge. This information is readily available in the books you received upon delivery of the vehicle.

This is why you are supplied the books, for you to read and use caution. If you want to use your DVD player in your Calais V, then be sure to leave the engine running because those DVD players suck up a lot of juice from the battery.

Use caution and common sense. Your dealer should have warned you, as I do all my customers about the change to the battery and warn them of what will need to happen if the batter does go flat.

But the software upgrade stops the batteries from going flat.

[spank]

the thing is, is that holden know that they have a hardware/software combatability problem that has only been solved recently, and they only have them selves to blame for going with the cheaper quote to supply them, now its cost them 300k to fix and pissed of lots of customers, and its not going onto the production line until june 30, and as far as i know only customers with complaints will have their car hardware/sofware replaced, not a general recall as asuch

[Clutch22]

People have themselves to blame for letting the battery go flat. Same as in any other car on the road. The only difference is the battery in the VE has to be charged over night. If it wasn't for that inconvenience there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints.

People just need to be made aware when they buy the car that this is what will happen. When a customer comes in and asks to be told about the VE/WM range, I tell them about the battery before they've even bought the car. Most really don't care because they view it as "Well, I would have to do something wrong to make the battery goes flat seeing as the car has auto headlights and all."

If you want the hassle gone, buy a calcium charger and charge the car yourself every time you're foolish enough to leave your radio on for two hours while you sit in the car with the engine off.

[Haze]

You should know that the VE is a calcium based battery. It was designed to make the motor run more economically.

How does a battery make a car run more economically. I am not saying it not true I just don't understand (more power for better spark maybe?)


It has the downfall though of not being able to recharge when the car is running like most car batteries.

If it does not recharge when the car is running, then how does it recharge? Doesn't it get charged from the alternator like any other car?

:1peek:

I would also like to know more of the problems the poster of this thread had. why have a dummy spit about your car and not really list the problems you have had? I mean most things you buy these days, especially involving new technology / first of model etc has some sort of issues, no matter what it is.

[spank]

People have themselves to blame for letting the battery go flat. Same as in any other car on the road. The only difference is the battery in the VE has to be charged over night. If it wasn't for that inconvenience there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints.

People just need to be made aware when they buy the car that this is what will happen. When a customer comes in and asks to be told about the VE/WM range, I tell them about the battery before they've even bought the car. Most really don't care because they view it as "Well, I would have to do something wrong to make the battery goes flat seeing as the car has auto headlights and all."

If you want the hassle gone, buy a calcium charger and charge the car yourself every time you're foolish enough to leave your radio on for two hours while you sit in the car with the engine off.

in most cases the battery is going flat because of hardware/software incombatability problems that holden are well aware off

[Clutch22]

I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... But don't hold me to that. I sell them, I don't make them.

And no, the alternator does not recharge the battery. When it goes flat, you need to hook the battery up to a charger and leave it there for 24 hours. That's the downfall of the economy value.

[BigFella]

:1peek:i think some of u take a very immature approach to other makes of cars.
Some of u are very open minded and make some great points!

lay of the hondas lol
compare apples to apples at least.
Honda dont make super exciting big V8 performance cars at all. Its a different market all together so dont start goin sayin they are girls cars ect.

If u have a nice VE SS for sure every honda is boring and slow la la la.

No im not on here preaching hondas yada yada, i love my holdens still hence my run around and owing 3 others over the years.
I sell these coz they are easy to sell, there is less dealer competition and honda in itself are moving forward and have a big future.

Im very open minded to all makes.
(did i mention i was in the audi R8 the other night OMFG i want one)






lol but just remember the honda will be still worth some coin when u want to sell it....

lots of love James:jester:

[CSP]

lol but just remember the honda will be still worth some coin when u want to sell it....

So will my HSV... Especially as I will most likely be trading it for a VF GTS with (hopefully) an LS7!!!

[Clutch22]

Your 6.0L resale is going to plummet with the release of the new 6.2L LS3 and the 7.0L LS7. Seriously, the 6.0L GTS will be a dinosaur when these things come out. Don't bother trying to trade it in, you need to sell it privately or you won't get anywhere near the changeover you want.

[Redline]

So will my HSV... Especially as I will most likely be trading it for a VF GTS with (hopefully) an LS7!!!

I doubt that very much.....HSVs barely retain more resale value percentage than a SS Commodore (depending on whether its a private sale or trade in).

[spank]

having been buying hsv cars since 1997 i can say that no matter what, your hsv's resale will plummet, you have to keep them for at least three years to get any value out of them, they just drop too much in value in the first year, as history has taught us, look at vt1 to vt2 and vy to vz, every time they go to a bigger engine the previous model drops money big time, if i had a ve id be keeping it and doing mods unless i had heaps of cash to throw around, which some of the members here seem to

[CSP]

Well I just picked mine up...

Feb 07 compliance plate. 10,000km. $60,000.

Clubsport R8, manual, red, full leather, sunroof.

Planning on a 2010 trade in on a GTS.

[SS Enforcer]

I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... But don't hold me to that. I sell them, I don't make them.

And no, the alternator does not recharge the battery. When it goes flat, you need to hook the battery up to a charger and leave it there for 24 hours. That's the downfall of the economy value.

Don't take this the wrong way but I think you better stick to selling them mate.

The battery does charge of the alternator but only very slowly if they didn't they would ALL run flat.

There have been plenty of cases from guys on this forum that have had their battery die when they have come back from the shops or in the morning etc etc.

Maybe Holden could supply us all with a battery charger so we don't have to leave our cars at a dealership overnight to charge the Battery.

cheers

[Redline]

Aim for a trade-in value around 45-50% less than what you paid for it going on previous figures.

[Clutch22]

My prediction is a $30-35k trade in by 2010


Don't take this the wrong way but I think you better stick to selling them mate.

The battery does charge of the alternator but only very slowly if they didn't they would ALL run flat.

There have been plenty of cases from guys on this forum that have had their battery die when they have come back from the shops or in the morning etc etc.

Maybe Holden could supply us all with a battery charger so we don't have to leave our cars at a dealership overnight to charge the Battery.

cheers


Or maybe you could turn off the car and not watch DVDs in your backseat and make the battery go flat.

Go look at how much a calcium charger is and ask your dealer to supply one.

[CSP]

My prediction is a $30-35k trade in by 2010

Given that in January 2008, I got $35k for my October 2006 V6 VE Calais as a trade, I would expect closer to $40k trade for the Clubby in 2010.

[spank]

Well I just picked mine up...

Feb 07 compliance plate. 10,000km. $60,000.

Clubsport R8, manual, red, full leather, sunroof.

Planning on a 2010 trade in on a GTS.

thats the go, have some fun in this one and look forward to bigger and better thing in 2010

[Clutch22]

Given that in January 2008, I got $35k for my October 2006 V6 VE Calais as a trade, I would expect closer to $40k trade for the Clubby in 2010.

You're dreaming.

6.2L comes out in April

the 7.0L will be readily available in 2010

The 6.0L will be struggling to ourtun the SS at the 2010 stage.

Low 30's for your trade.

[CarlFST60L]

I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... But don't hold me to that. I sell them, I don't make them.

And no, the alternator does not recharge the battery. When it goes flat, you need to hook the battery up to a charger and leave it there for 24 hours. That's the downfall of the economy value.

The fact is, there is bug in software causing the battery problem. Thats all. Sure the alternator wont charge the battery, thats a f#$kup on holden's behalf.

There is no way a battery makes the car more economical, if you wanted to split hairs, the only difference would be:
1. Weight
2. Charge efficiency
3. Self discharge current
4. Trickly charge / hold current

None would have no real bearing on the overall economy of a vehicle...
If you want a battery to improve efficiency, buy a Petrol Electric Hybrid.

[Redline]

You're dreaming.

6.2L comes out in April

the 7.0L will be readily available in 2010

The 6.0L will be struggling to ourtun the SS at the 2010 stage.

Low 30's for your trade.

Spoken like a true salesman :lmao:

[SS Enforcer]

My prediction is a $30-35k trade in by 2010




Or maybe you could turn off the car and not watch DVDs in your backseat and make the battery go flat.

Go look at how much a calcium charger is and ask your dealer to supply one.

I don't have a DVD player in mine and My battery was replaced under warranty before it failed. I never leave anything on and allways remove the key from the ignition.

I can't think of a problem that would be more frustrating than having a dud battery. I have allways chucked mine at about 3 years or when they get an incidence of slow cranking. This policy has served me well for many years.

Also Holden should be charging the batteries stand alone and giving the customer a loaner battery instead of keeping the car there overnight. It's the most basic of parts supplied with a car and surely this should be given top priority by GM . Somebody could die as a result of a premature battery failure.

cheers

[spank]

Spoken like a true salesman :lmao:

nah most salesmen would say " buy a HSV. as a limited build exclusive performance car they will hold their value like no other car can, you wont lose much if anything at all "

[Redline]

nah most salesmen would say " buy a HSV. as a limited build exclusive performance car they will hold their value like no other car can, you wont lose much if anything at all "

Thats what they say when you buy, then when you come to trade it "Low 30's for your trade" :lol:

[rigpig188]

honda's go hard havent u heard bout the new VE Honda packing 100 kw atrw

[mac06]

I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... But don't hold me to that. I sell them, I don't make them.


What!!!! The basic reason the VE was supposed to run more economically related to the alernator not charging all the time, saving slightly on the load on the engine. Therefore a slight improvement on fuel economy.

The software fix simply means the alternator now charges at a higher voltage for a longer time. There are varying charge rates depending on the current draw and the condition of the battery. That's the basics of it all.

[Micks]

What!!!! The basic reason the VE was supposed to run more economically related to the alernator not charging all the time, saving slightly on the load on the engine. Therefore a slight improvement on fuel economy.

The software fix simply means the alternator now charges at a higher voltage for a longer time. There are varying charge rates depending on the current draw and the condition of the battery. That's the basics of it all.

Yep could happen to any vehicle. All in all from what I've read & not just @ this board the VE is something else & for the first of its kind there appears to be only minor probs found. Can't wait for series two. I just want one...Would luv one in a Tonner. Any clues??

Cheers
VYT

[mac06]

Yep could happen to any vehicle. All in all from what I've read & not just @ this board the VE is something else & for the first of its kind there appears to be only minor probs found. Can't wait for series two. I just want one...Would luv one in a Tonner. Any clues??

Cheers
VYT

I think you'd better hang onto the one you've got. The One Tonner was expensive and too complex on the production line for Holden to build, so unfortunately we saw it's demise. IMO, like the Crewman, we won't see either again in the short term if ever.

[Clutch22]

Spoken like a true salesman :lmao:

Nah if I wanted to get him in I would tell him mid-high 40's for the trade, and let's put something on paper to make the changeover as close as we can to what he wants.

That's sales talk.

I don't sell here, I sell enough where I am.

If you buy a GTS today with a 6.0L you're an idiot.

If you buy a GTS when the LS3 comes out, you're also an idiot.

If you buy a GTS when the 7.0L comes out, then you're buying smart.

If you want to buy a car that will have good resale, go with the maloo when the LS3 comes out. And the trade in on it will suck, but privately you'll do very, very well. As long as you don't buy it in something like atomic, crunch or ignition,.

[tirone]

why would you wait years for a car just for resale? if you want it get it.

[CSP]

You're dreaming.

6.2L comes out in April

the 7.0L will be readily available in 2010

The 6.0L will be struggling to ourtun the SS at the 2010 stage.

Low 30's for your trade.

LOL!!! Love the totally dismissive "you're dreaming" comment. Get a clue mate!

The 7.0 litre will NOT be readily available in Australia as the 6.2 LS3 will barely have had a chance to run it's course. You do realise to maximise profits, Holden/HSV keep engine specs the same for around 2 years don't you? The upgrade scheduled for April - July this year will see further tweaks of the current 6.0 LS2 for more power (315 ish kw) plus DoD technology for better economy while the GTS will get the 6.2 LS3. Come 2010, the 6.2 LS3 will be common and the upgrade of the GTS will see it get the LS7 and other models will move to the 6.2 LS3.

Think before you speak :D

And in 2010 when I trade my current LS2 Clubsport R8 on a new $90,000 7.0 LS7 GTS and get $40,000 for my trade, I'll be sure to let you know!!!


if you want it get it.

That's the bottom line really...

If you want something, get it. Don't wait because something else is going to be marginally better. I saw the car I wanted, so I bough it. Decidion time was about 30 minutes. Saw it on a Thursday afternoon, picked it up Tuesday morning.

The way EVERYONE should do it :D

[VQST80]

So I am in Perth and wanted to know if there are any better dealerships than North City Holden for buying a new SV6.

I recently had a dispute with the dealer principal and the service manager over an issue that's too long to go into right now.

I've heard good things about City Motors Holden.

Anybody have any advice as to which to stay away from and why?

For someones who says he sells cars, this is an interesting first post back last year. I smell a rat.

So which dealership are you at..??

You can PM me. Ill be confidential.

[Clutch22]

For someones who says he sells cars, this is an interesting first post back last year. I smell a rat.

So which dealership are you at..??

You can PM me. Ill be confidential.

I don't mind brother, I'll let everyone know here. Basically that was my first post and me being in the selling business and wanting to get an idea for what people thought about the different dealerships in WA where I work. City Motors is the biggest, especially in HSV and therefore our largest competitor.

I work Holden but have good relations with the three HSV dealers. If I was to recommend one then you can PM me and I'll tell you where to go.

[Vulture]

Holden/HSV keep engine specs the same for around 2 years don't you? The upgrade scheduled for April - July this year will see further tweaks of the current 6.0 LS2 for more power (315 ish kw) plus DoD technology for better economy while the GTS will get the 6.2 LS3. Come 2010, the 6.2 LS3 will be common and the upgrade of the GTS will see it get the LS7 and other models will move to the 6.2 LS3.

The LS2 has been in HSVs since 2004...

The LS2 will not meet compliance from July 2008...

The LS2 will never have DOD...

[mac06]

Is that burning Clutch I smell????:jester:

[CarlFST60L]

Nah if I wanted to get him in I would tell him mid-high 40's for the trade, and let's put something on paper to make the changeover as close as we can to what he wants.

That's sales talk.

I don't sell here, I sell enough where I am.

If you buy a GTS today with a 6.0L you're an idiot.

If you buy a GTS when the LS3 comes out, you're also an idiot.

If you buy a GTS when the 7.0L comes out, then you're buying smart.

If you want to buy a car that will have good resale, go with the maloo when the LS3 comes out. And the trade in on it will suck, but privately you'll do very, very well. As long as you don't buy it in something like atomic, crunch or ignition,.

If you come in here calling us wankers, you really are a wanker :flipoff:

[Steve-LS2]

i thought the LS7 was a completely hand built motor that costs GM $35,000 US to build each one?

Why the hell would HSV put these into the GTS when a factory built LS9 that makes more power and costs less would be available?

Don't forget about the new 6.5 MPG by 2020 across entire model range that GM have to begin complying with, that alone may spell the death of the increasing capacity LS engines and a return to smaller type, after all it is the US market which decides where the development is, we just get their left overs.

[holden6.0]

where u get that info from csp can u point me to a website? dun worry bout clutch hes clutchless can anyone point me to a website that will tell me wot changes to ve ss this year if any

[falconlover]

Thats Holdens for ya! :)

[CSP]

where u get that info from csp can u point me to a website?

Nah mate - that's just me thinking about it and speculating... I'm probably just as wrong as everyone else here but I really do laught at people that make predictions that just can't feasibly work!!!

Oh, and the LS2 can EASILY be made compliant, if it hasn't already been, by July 2008.

[LS1Grange]

You might want to price a few more parts YVT. Most Honda distributors easily top $1000. You may have found the ONLY exception.
It's not a rosy picture, and Honda Aust is aware of the perception of the ownership costs in the marketplace, something the Thailand sourcing of many models has helped, to varying degrees of success.

I heard on the radio this morning that some place did a 10kph crash test to simulate carpark bingles. It was a frontal impact test.

The toyota corolla was the cheapest to fix at the $1000 mark.
Coming in last was the HONDA Civic at $7400.

Expensive parts and expensive repairs.

[hdj105]

i thought the LS7 was a completely hand built motor that costs GM $35,000 US to build each one?

Why the hell would HSV put these into the GTS when a factory built LS9 that makes more power and costs less would be available?


I'm sure I read the LS9 was hand assembled at the same plant as the LS7, meaning it wouldn't be cheaper to make considering the extra components.

Actually, quoting from the press release:-

"The LS9 is assembled by hand at GM’s Performance Build Center, a unique, small-volume engine production facility in Wixom, Mich., that also builds the Corvette Z06’s LS7 engine and other high-performance GM production engines. "

[Haze]

What!!!! The basic reason the VE was supposed to run more economically related to the alernator not charging all the time, saving slightly on the load on the engine. Therefore a slight improvement on fuel economy.

The software fix simply means the alternator now charges at a higher voltage for a longer time. There are varying charge rates depending on the current draw and the condition of the battery. That's the basics of it all.

Thanks Mac, that makes sense to me..

By the way Clutch, if you are a salesman, you should learn more about the products you sell. If I came to buy a car from you and you told me the battery in the VE makes the car more economical and you couldn't explain why.... well I wouldnt be very impressed and it would cast doubt on your character. Then by going on saying

"I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... "....

:rolleyes: What a croc..

[CSP]

"I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... "....

:rolleyes: What a croc..

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Didn't you know that the 307kw HSV are getting out of the current engines is thanks to some sort of secret Peugeot technology? From what I've been told, it's something to do with the windscreen wipers.

[Danv8]

Thanks Mac, that makes sense to me..

By the way Clutch, if you are a salesman, you should learn more about the products you sell. If I came to buy a car from you and you told me the battery in the VE makes the car more economical and you couldn't explain why.... well I wouldnt be very impressed and it would cast doubt on your character. Then by going on saying

"I don't know the mechanics behind the battery-engine compatibility to make it run more economically. From what I've been told it's something to do with the pistons... "....

:rolleyes: What a croc..

Yup even my mrs wouldn't beilive that.

[V-Car]

If you buy a GTS when the 7.0L comes out, then you're buying smart.


If you buy a GTS when the 7.0L comes out, then you'll be driving a GTS badged zimmer frame! :lmao:

[cholo]

I don't mind brother, I'll let everyone know here. Basically that was my first post and me being in the selling business and wanting to get an idea for what people thought about the different dealerships in WA where I work. City Motors is the biggest, especially in HSV and therefore our largest competitor.

I work Holden but have good relations with the three HSV dealers. If I was to recommend one then you can PM me and I'll tell you where to go.

Dam you are tricky. No one believes you now. Lier Lier Lier.

Oops I meant Liar Liar Liar. :eyes:

[planetdavo]

I heard on the radio this morning that some place did a 10kph crash test to simulate carpark bingles. It was a frontal impact test.

The toyota corolla was the cheapest to fix at the $1000 mark.
Coming in last was the HONDA Civic at $7400.

Expensive parts and expensive repairs.
Yeah I heard that too.
I'm not sure what they ran it into, because quite a number of the common smash parts required for a frontal collision are actually CHEAPER than Corolla!

[KeenGolfer]

Yeah I heard that too.
I'm not sure what they ran it into, because quite a number of the common smash parts required for a frontal collision are actually CHEAPER than Corolla!

They showed it on the news last night. The car was on a ramp and was run down it from maybe 5m away? into a barrier like a guard rail type of thing but curved if I remember correctly.

What they were saying is that instead of the bumpers taking the impact, many cars had the bonnet/headlights etc taking the brunt of the impact hence pushing up the bill.

[planetdavo]

They showed it on the news last night. The car was on a ramp and was run down it from maybe 5m away? into a barrier like a guard rail type of thing but curved if I remember correctly.

What they were saying is that instead of the bumpers taking the impact, many cars had the bonnet/headlights etc taking the brunt of the impact hence pushing up the bill.
This slightly unusual accident test must have hit a pump on the engine or something to be that expensive. Civic parts are cheaper than Astra parts these days!
A more "regular" crash test would have come out FAR more complementary I would suggest.

[Shane QLD]

Partners euro has been a gem. I spose when it comes to maintainance, im lucky my uncle is a mechanic, so i will pay trade for all parts, not that its needed it yet, the car is only 30,000kms old. having said that, the car has been flawless since purchasing it mid 2006.

The VE went in today to have the sump gasket replaced, and the whole front RHS suspension replaced under warranty.. A pain in the ass yes, but does that maike the Holden any less enjoyable, or a 'lemon', f**k no!! Still love my VE!!!

What is the problem with your suspension ?