08 Orion Falcon xr8 cgi's

[falconlover]

Posted on Ford Australia forums by member Paxton of February 2008 wheels magazine. Personally i think it looks bloody great! :thumbsup:




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[Danv8]

Not convinced really I have to see it in the flesh really.

[Souljah]

I like it. Though i'd have to see it up close to pass final judgement.

[Mad4Monaros]

Not really a fan, but maybe it will grow on me like the VE did.

Those rims on the XR8 just look like a big XR5 rim.

[holden6.0]

they'l prolly let it win v8 supercars this year to make it sell:spew:

[Strick]

i dont mind it, looks a heap better without the big black bits up front. But once again id need to see the final product before i make my mind up.

[Evman]

It definatelly retains more BA/F Falcon than the VE did the VY/Z...And I'm not so sure that's a good thing. I'm very curious about the weight though...Being the same underpinning it shouldn't have gained very much weight, but one can only hope it has...:jester:

[EfiJy]

It definatelly retains more BA/F Falcon than the VE did the VY/Z...And I'm not so sure that's a good thing. I'm very curious about the weight though...Being the same underpinning it shouldn't have gained very much weight, but one can only hope it has...:jester:

same shell just looks r sharpend up a lot. looks good in the metal

[vxclubsport569]

Looks bloody beautiful

Will have to think long and hard wether to upgrade to a Clubby or go a Phoon when the VX has had its day

[throttlehappy]

looks good i reckon, ba/bf gt boys wont be happy

[AFAR]

It's far from ugly.
It looks good.
but..
It's nothing special.


Pictures dont do justice, so i could probably change my mind when i see in the flesh.

[vxclubsport569]

Looks bloody beautiful

Will have to think long and hard wether to upgrade to a Clubby or go a Phoon when the VX has had its day

[cashie]

Looks pretty good to me, keen to see the real deal when it is shown.

[Teal]

Check the front end of the FPV's, kind of looks like an evil clown :rofl:

[Evman]

Looks bloody beautiful

Will have to think long and hard wether to upgrade to a Clubby or go a Phoon when the VX has had its day

Uuuuh, the choice is obvious....:doh:...Get a Clubby and boost it :)


Check the front end of the FPV's, kind of looks like an evil clown :rofl:

I was thinking whale shark or something!

[HSV Manta]

I find it interseting they are keeping the in-line 6. I heard from a couple of sources (one being this forum) that they were dropping the inline six and going to a V6.

Still it looks good. Not sure about the black-out bits on the FPV's...

[madd0g]

looks much like the new gtr's or the new lancer evos from the front end prospective!

[Evman]

I find it interseting they are keeping the in-line 6. I heard from a couple of sources (one being this forum) that they were dropping the inline six and going to a V6.

Still it looks good. Not sure about the black-out bits on the FPV's...

Na not until 2010...So they say :)

[SCiFiRE]

xr8 looks heaps better than the fpv CGIs.
I think it looks tough. hopefully holden counters with some more aggressive styling too

[Caprice270]

Looks fantastic. They have taken a risk with the styling and it looks to have paid off. Good on them for not playing it safe. Makes life interesting when corporations are willing to push the limits.

[chevypower]

I know this isnt related to engines, but it should have Sync by Microsoft aswell - to sync up the latest gadgets to the sound system, like iPods, iPhones, Zunes, and future devices.

[Steve-LS2]

personally i think Ford is flogging a dead horse, their sales were so low last year that i have seen some of their dealerships close down and to be honest it doesn't inspire me one bit, sort of looks like they bolted a camry back end onto a mondeo front and FPV usually make a decent XR kit but their concepts just look like they glued matt plastic on, boring, boring, boring, interior looks bland and totally old, like a said....dead horse

[GF81]

I think it looks good (not brilliant though would probably look better in the flesh), but nowhere near as good as the VE IMO. Also I'm sure the V8 is still not even half as exciting (or more importantly as quick) a drive as the last few generations of the V8 Commodores.
At least they're making good quality cars now, remember the AU (I still point and laugh at any of the boy racers thrashing those pieces of crap) :rofl::lmao:.

[Funky_Munky]

If the CGI shots and power output figures are accurate, I may be switching camps in the near future.

[Haze]

Looks good to me. I don't think it looks 'boring' and I think people should wait to see it before the make final judgement..:eyes:

How 'boring' life would be if all the cars on the road were V8 Holdens.. Who would we have to stir up then? Would we watch V8 Supercars to see Commodores race other Commodores? This new model looks like a step in the right direction for Ford. I don't think they are 'flogging a dead horse'.

No i'm not buying one, yes I will stick with my Holdens.. :)

[Holden Man]

Looks more like an update of the previous model (BA/BF) than it does a brand new model. I think the VE was a bigger leap forward in design terms.

I think the Mondeo is pretty close in size so it will be interesting which car the public will go for.

The main advantage Falcon has or could have is the weight issue. If they can keep it at the same (as previous model) or somehow take weight out of it, then the VE will look quite fat !

[PBoB]

Looks more like an update of the previous model (BA/BF) than it does a brand new model. I think the VE was a bigger leap forward in design terms.

I think the Mondeo is pretty close in size so it will be interesting which car the public will go for.

It IS only an update of the previous falcon, it will use the BA-BF chassis with Territory steering upgrades, Mondeo headlights, Focus wheel arches, etc.

If you guys are going to criticize a product, make sure that you read all the literature on it before you comment, Ford never once said that this was an "all new falcon" like the generals billion dollar baby.

[Holden Man]

It IS only an update of the previous falcon, it will use the BA-BF chassis with Territory steering upgrades, Mondeo headlights, Focus wheel arches, etc.

If you guys are going to criticize a product, make sure that you read all the literature on it before you comment, Ford never once said that this was an "all new falcon" like the generals billion dollar baby.

Thanks for the info.

I bet Ford will sell it as an "ALL NEW FALCON" though !!

[SEMPER FI]

At the end of the day, it's a FORD, plain and simple !!!!!!!! Draw your own conclusions !!

[Road Warrior]

Thanks for the info.

I bet Ford will sell it as an "ALL NEW FALCON" though !!

Well the reality is it more than likely will be. The only BA/BF sheetmetal that is being carried over is the floorpan and firewall, the rest of it has been changed to accommodate a new body, hence the 'Top Hat' thing they keep crapping on about. A bit of tweaking and alteration here, a bit of modification there (like fitting the Territory front end for starters). Like the VE, it will carry over the engines from the previous model, but in 2010 will be replaced with the Duratec V6 and the Hurricane V8 (although not much is known about that one?). Holden does the same - saves major mechanical changes for a Series II model so R&D costs arent as huge per model. Makes sense to me.

[Steve-LS2]

Well the reality is it more than likely will be. The only BA/BF sheetmetal that is being carried over is the floorpan and firewall, the rest of it has been changed to accommodate a new body, hence the 'Top Hat' thing they keep crapping on about. A bit of tweaking and alteration here, a bit of modification there (like fitting the Territory front end for starters). Like the VE, it will carry over the engines from the previous model, but in 2010 will be replaced with the Duratec V6 and the Hurricane V8 (although not much is known about that one?). Holden does the same - saves major mechanical changes for a Series II model so R&D costs arent as huge per model. Makes sense to me.


Holden aren't doing series II models anymore, the upgrades they do will be continuous, or change with the Manufacturing year, such as the MY06 commodores got the radiator cover, it has been deleted for the MY07 on.

[sh|tbmxrider]

if it looks as per the CGI in the mag, and is a big enough of a step forward, dynamically and performance wise, ill be happy to lay my hard earned down.


If not? Late model BF2 F6 thanks

[Carby]

Hmm - I'm surprised no one has mentioned that it (XR8) now has a significant 20KW more mumbo than the comparable SS VE.

Here's to betting that the VE doesn't win bang for your bucks for three years running..................... thats huge HP for a Ford product as opposed to the FPV's. Talk of 320KW FPV V8's may come into fruition!

[Road Warrior]

Holden aren't doing series II models anymore,

Yeah, for the first time in...ever. Historically, that is how they have always done it. I.E. VS - new motor but not a new car. VZ - new motor but not a new car etc etc

[Steve-LS2]

Hmm - I'm surprised no one has mentioned that it (XR8) now has a significant 20KW more mumbo than the comparable SS VE.

Here's to betting that the VE doesn't win bang for your bucks for three years running..................... thats huge HP for a Ford product as opposed to the FPV's. Talk of 320KW FPV V8's may come into fruition!


If ford stop using their DIN method of calculating power outputs enthusiast might start taking them seriously, with the DIN method 290 equates to about 278 using the same method as Holden.

OOH 278 FWKW pulling a tank, ford need to concetrate on removing weight not upping the power.

[Danv8]

Hmm - I'm surprised no one has mentioned that it (XR8) now has a significant 20KW more mumbo than the comparable SS VE.

Here's to betting that the VE doesn't win bang for your bucks for three years running..................... thats huge HP for a Ford product as opposed to the FPV's. Talk of 320KW FPV V8's may come into fruition!

If they aint going to put that mumbo into a wagon I am not interested. :-)

[holden6.0]

wen that things released then ill read the ford forums jus for a laugh of all the problems that thing will hav.:rofl: ford-fooked on registered day

[Danv8]

wen that things released then ill read the ford forums jus for a laugh of all the problems that thing will hav.:rofl:

As does some of the AFF members come and visit here for the same reason.

[sh|tbmxrider]

If ford stop using their DIN method of calculating power outputs enthusiast might start taking them seriously, with the DIN method 290 equates to about 278 using the same method as Holden.

OOH 278 FWKW pulling a tank, ford need to concetrate on removing weight not upping the power.




eh?


since VE, Holden/HSV and Ford/FPV use the same measurement standard(AFAIK)



wen that things released then ill read the ford forums jus for a laugh of all the problems that thing will hav. ford-fooked on registered day



All models have teething issues fella...VE included.

[zaim]

nice. for a ford

[blackxr]

wen that things released then ill read the ford forums jus for a laugh of all the problems that thing will hav.:rofl: ford-fooked on registered day


Mate you are a toll saying stuff like that.
Get a life

[sh|tbmxrider]

Mate you are a toll saying stuff like that.
Get a life


Hes a large, national freight company?

But I agree with the sentiment

[blackxr]

Hes a large, national freight company?

But I agree with the sentiment

Yeah meant TOOL but you get the point

[nang3]

Hes a large, national freight company?

But I agree with the sentiment

ROFL!!

i reckon it looks all right, hard to tell from pics of course though..

with they'd announce the phoon power outputs though !!

[holden6.0]

All models have teething issues fella...VE included.[/QUOTE]

i know that but ford will hav MORE

[lowriding]

looks alright but a bit meh ?? Looks old am expecting a very fresh modern euro design ,audi-esqe that reminds me of an bloody EL XR8 !!hope it looks better in the skin than in the CGI's .

[holden6.0]

lol yep im a tool at least im in the right shed dipstick

[VY18s]

It looks good, but if the XR8 and GT still get beaten by the SS I'll laugh so hard.

[BadMac]

It looks good, but if the XR8 and GT still get beaten by the SS I'll laugh so hard.

Does the SS beat the FPV GT now? If so Orion Xr8 has that engine and weight is slightly up, so work it out for yourself.

[Road Warrior]

lol yep im a tool at least im in the right shed dipstick

We've been talking about other makes (including Fr0ds) on this forum long before you turned up buddy. If you don't like topics that aren't about GM products, don't read them.

[Alex(AUS)]

Does the SS beat the FPV GT now? If so Orion Xr8 has that engine and weight is slightly up, so work it out for yourself.

Yep it does. Pretty much every comparison and real track results prove this ... so if the XR8 goes up in weight and uses the GT engine it will be worse than the GT before it ... so it will be even slower.

Alex

[kadir103]

heyy peps i have good news if the new ford orion xr8 has the same engine as the bf gt-p which is 290 kw this means holden ve ss will win ford orion xr8 because the bf gt-p does 0-100 in 6.2 sec if they have the same engine it is most likey to be the same results so ve ss shouldnt have problem with the xr8 hehehe :]

[blackxr]

We've been talking about other makes (including Fr0ds) on this forum long before you turned up buddy. If you don't like topics that aren't about GM products, don't read them.


Despite what my name at the top suggest i am a fan of cars really who decided to buy are 2003 XR6 that gets worse fuels consumption than my dads 2006 SS.I read and join these forums to find out info on new Fords, Holdens because i most of the time there are good topics. It's just annoying when someone has to ruin it by bagging whatever we are talking about.

I would love to own the NEw XR8 or a new SSV can't beat em

[RNGTR]

Looks very good! I'll be lining up for my test drive of an XR6T & Typhoon.

[Evil SS]

Ooooo, I like !


I wonder what the XR8 will be like, when it has 290Kw, might finally be able to keep up with the SS !

[SICK SS]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Yep it does. Pretty much every comparison and real track results prove this ... so if the XR8 goes up in weight and uses the GT engine it will be worse than the GT before it ... so it will be even slower.

Alex

[Porkster]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?

[Danv8]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?

Because its in the "General" section of this forum.

[SICK SS]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?

why not it is a car forum with car enthusiast and its in the general automotive section

[Ghia351]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?{to be read with tongue firmly in cheek}..According to the Geneva convention a "General Forums" section doesn't mean "the general"... seriously though if you don't know what the "opposition" is doing then how do you know where your own "favourite" stands? It's all information at the end of the day.

[nang3]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?

because surprisingly there are some people here who aren't totally brand biased and one eyed when it comes to performance vehicles - they like any car, any model that performs well and isnt a camry or magna!

[Souljah]

Why are we placing XR8 pic's on this website?
Open your other eye

[holden6.0]

Open your other eye

he'd rather go blind i dont blame him :machinegun:

[PBoB]

he'd rather go blind i dont blame him :machinegun:

You know it's bogans like yourself that made me think twice about converting to Holden from Ford. Isn't it funny how some people will shoot a product down before even reading about it JUST because of it's logo, didn't your mum ever teach you never to judge a book by it's cover??

On another note though, it will be very interesting to see how well the new XR8 goes considering one thing, Ford have ALWAYS made their 6 cylinders more powerful, or capable of being more powerful than their V8's.

260kW was what they claimed their BA-BF XR8 output was, yet on more than one occasion, I have smoked them in my ute and mine's stock as a rock, I also took one for a drive, and all I can say is that I was less than impressed.

So if they think that numbers on a brochure will win sales then let 'em go for it, I'm waiting...

[wagnman]

i was really pleased to see the pic's of the XR8 in Wheels because it looks SO much better than the terrible looking FPV's.

The Falcon is just as much a part of our motoring heritage as the Commodore and even though I love the Holdens I also would rather drive a Ford than some EURO box of poo.

Ford still has heaps of work to do if they are to catch up though I think.

I thought the ORION was going to be some brand new radical modern thing but from these pics not much has changed apart from the kit and rims.

[cashie]

Keen to see some pics of the orion utes when they are available....

[CLUBRED]

So is it Orion or Falcon or both?

[CossieAnt]

HaTe it. The front looks overly too big. That first pic looks like a suby or lancer thing. Never really like the falcons, and the ford V8 makes a horrible exhaust not. (BTW i own 3 escorts, a 71 capri, and love me mates F-Truck and Territory, so not bias)

cheers Anthony

[Souljah]

So is it Orion or Falcon or both?
Orion is just the codename for the new model.

[nang3]

You know it's bogans like yourself that made me think twice about converting to Holden from Ford. Isn't it funny how some people will shoot a product down before even reading about it JUST because of it's logo, didn't your mum ever teach you never to judge a book by it's cover??

On another note though, it will be very interesting to see how well the new XR8 goes considering one thing, Ford have ALWAYS made their 6 cylinders more powerful, or capable of being more powerful than their V8's.

260kW was what they claimed their BA-BF XR8 output was, yet on more than one occasion, I have smoked them in my ute and mine's stock as a rock, I also took one for a drive, and all I can say is that I was less than impressed.

So if they think that numbers on a brochure will win sales then let 'em go for it, I'm waiting...

dont even bother feeding this idiot troll mate..

back on topic, the BA-BF XR8's were always chunky and overweight so never performed like they should have really.. plus the boss motor doesn't really like to rev in stock form which is a pity cause IMO they sound better than the holden 8's but just without the go to match haha

[Holden Man]

You know it's bogans like yourself that made me think twice about converting to Holden from Ford. .......

Ford has it's share of Bogans aswell !! (fully sic EL / AU's mate)

[PBoB]

Yeh I know :)

In a motor mag edition where they salute the VT-VZ models they actually state that the only area where the Boss 5.4L Triton motor out does the Gen III or Gen IV is the sound.

To many so called 'car enthusiasts' the LSX motor is an outdated pushrod dinosaur, but if you can look past the on paper specs, it is actually quite a piece of engineering artwork, sporting less moving parts than fords 32V DOHC V8. Infact the only area that henry's motor beats the generals is in aural quality.

[Holden Man]

.... Never really like the falcons, and the ford V8 makes a horrible exhaust not. ....

I disagree, I think the Frauds make a great note (possible better than the Holden's) but it just can't match the Holdens for pace.

[Alex(AUS)]

I was actually quite suprised as to how open the Holden fans are on this site. I can remember a thread about a members F6 that was full of praise from our crew. The major Ford forums are nothing like that. If you read anything about the VE on the Ford sites it is all nasty. As a moral fan of cars you are much better off on this side of the fence. Oh yeah, and the pace thing also works in our favour by quite a margin over any Ford ;)

Alex

[HSVMAN]

I was actually quite suprised as to how open the Holden fans are on this site. I can remember a thread about a members F6 that was full of praise from our crew. The major Ford forums are nothing like that. If you read anything about the VE on the Ford sites it is all nasty. As a moral fan of cars you are much better off on this side of the fence. Oh yeah, and the pace thing also works in our favour by quite a margin over any Ford ;)

Alex

I agree. It also seems to be like that off the net as well....

[TriShield]

Like everything Ford sells overseas, this looks good. It's a real shame for us Americans and Ford AU that we aren't going to get it in the US.

[nang3]

Like everything Ford sells overseas, this looks good. It's a real shame for us Americans and Ford AU that we aren't going to get it in the US.

tell ya what, send me a new Shelby GT 500 Mustang and il send you an XR8 mwahaha..
you guys have plenty of hot cars at good prices !!! even the Euros are chhheaaap as !
lucky bugger :lol:

[HSVMAN]

tell ya what, send me a new Shelby GT 500 Mustang and il send you an XR8 mwahaha....


You can buy one (imported new) in NZ for $155k. But you can keep the XR8 :)

[Steve-LS2]

You can buy one (imported new) in NZ for $155k. But you can keep the XR8 :)

You can get them in Oz for about that much too!

[McobraR]

I was actually quite suprised as to how open the Holden fans are on this site. I can remember a thread about a members F6 that was full of praise from our crew. The major Ford forums are nothing like that. If you read anything about the VE on the Ford sites it is all nasty. As a moral fan of cars you are much better off on this side of the fence. Oh yeah, and the pace thing also works in our favour by quite a margin over any Ford ;)

Alex

As a member of both camps, i personally find its basically even. go there now and most are supporting one of the memebers choice of getting rid of their xr6t for an SSV. Its only for the past few months that ive noticed some one-eyed peeps pop up in here and have a serious go on the opposition without any knowledge whatsoever. And its these type of people that bring down the rep of both forums.

Regarding the XR8, think it looks hott, but doesn't seem to look as ground breaking in design terms as it was lead up to be. It isn't the real thing though, so come MMS

my 2c :D

[nang3]

You can buy one (imported new) in NZ for $155k. But you can keep the XR8 :)

once again us Oceanians get stitched on pricing haha..

Mustangs start at US$19,500 over there for the base V6 to US$28k for the GT Premium...
Shelby GT500 is around US$40k according to this ;

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105085

[TriShield]

tell ya what, send me a new Shelby GT 500 Mustang and il send you an XR8 mwahaha..
you guys have plenty of hot cars at good prices !!! even the Euros are chhheaaap as !
lucky bugger :lol:

The Mustang, F-Series and Ford GT are the only good products Ford US makes.

We'll trade you the Taurus for the Falcon and you'll see what I mean. :)

[EddieVE06]

We had tha Taurus in OZ and what a failure that was, not to mention butt ugly.

[nang3]

+1 Taurus was a steaming turd !!

at least you guys get the new vettes etc at reasonable prices !! i love the new vette, ive only seen one on display at a raffle but it was hot as!! not quite $130k hot or whatever the dude reckoned..

[Shaddow]

As a member of both camps, i personally find its basically even. go there now and most are supporting one of the memebers choice of getting rid of their xr6t for an SSV. Its only for the past few months that ive noticed some one-eyed peeps pop up in here and have a serious go on the opposition without any knowledge whatsoever. And its these type of people that bring down the rep of both forums.

Regarding the XR8, think it looks hott, but doesn't seem to look as ground breaking in design terms as it was lead up to be. It isn't the real thing though, so come MMS

my 2c :D


I am also a member of both forums and I have found that the genuine car lover in the AFF is not biased against the VE in any form. There is a lot of respect from the AFF guys for anyone with an LS1.
I am an owner of a BF XR6T and my mate has a VE SS. I think Holden has really set the benchmark as far as an Australian muscle car is concerned. The new VE SS looks absolutely HORN.

Cheers

[Steve-LS2]

I am also a member of both forums and I have found that the genuine car lover in the AFF is not biased against the VE in any form. There is a lot of respect from the AFF guys for anyone with an LS1.
I am an owner of a BF XR6T and my mate has a VE SS. I think Holden has really set the benchmark as far as an Australian muscle car is concerned. The new VE SS looks absolutely HORN.

Cheers

You aren't our old friend XR6T GEN are you? You didn't happen to have a car swapping day when your mate was totally flabbergasted with the rush of power a turbo 6 makes??:confused:

[buddyforu]

I personally can't wait for the new Falcon to come out, it's about time the VE had some competition for once ;)