Brisbane Motor Show and I signed up for a VE Ute too

[747]

Waltzed down to the Brisbane Motorshow today. The sportswagon looked totally stunning I have to say. That is going to be a killer

Been getting really sick of paying $$HUGE$$ :flipoff: FBT for no real result on my 07 Audi Q7. As much as I love it I have been thinking about selling it.

Anyway thanks to a mate who kept saying buy buy buy I signed up for a VE SS Auto Ute in Atomic. Happy to wait until May so I can sell my Q7

So happy to be back in a HOlden again

MotorShow buyers also get the free 5 year warranty too :soap:

[PBoB]

Sweet as mate good on ya! Although I'm curious as to why you'll be BACK in a Holden again when your profile suggests that you have a CV8 in Devil Yellow??:confused:

P.S. How much does the motor show cost to get in now?

[747]

Well actually I sold the Monaro a year ago and bought an Audi Q7. Spent a few $$$ on motorbikes recently so need to cut back. I paid zipp to get in because I have a Holden Card, Adults otherwise are $17.50.

[MR R8]

Well actually I sold the Monaro a year ago and bought an Audi Q7. Spent a few $$$ on motorbikes recently so need to cut back. I paid zipp to get in because I have a Holden Card, Adults otherwise are $17.50.

Or go to an RACQ office and prepay you tickets for about $16.

[Oversteer]

What is $$HUGE$$ FBT?? Something obvious im sure.

Did they chop you out a good price along with the free 5 year warranty?

[PBoB]

Fringe
Benefits
Tax

mate

[747]

What is $$HUGE$$ FBT?? Something obvious im sure.

Did they chop you out a good price along with the free 5 year warranty?

$41000 OTR AUTO SS UTE in Atomic

[Clutch22]

$41000 OTR AUTO SS UTE in Atomic

Some of the numbers people dream up still astonish me.

[PBoB]

Some of the numbers people dream up still astonish me.

What you talkin about? $41000 sounds reasonable, they're about $49000 from a dealer, so a motor show combined with the fact that it's probably last years model (runout MY07), the price seems fair to me.

I paid $38000 for a brand spankers Z SS Ute in October last year.

[Ahyeah]

$41000 is a very fair price, seen the price of VE SS sedans these days?

[Clutch22]

What you talkin about? $41000 sounds reasonable, they're about $49000 from a dealer, so a motor show combined with the fact that it's probably last years model (runout MY07), the price seems fair to me.

I paid $38000 for a brand spankers Z SS Ute in October last year.

Even as a dealer we're barely discounting the utes at all. Did you notice the fact that he said he's waiting til May to receive it? A 2008 SS Auto ute for 41k? Doesn't happen. Motor show or not. Doesn't happen. The only way you pay 41k is when you're combining the vehicle price with whatever discount you received, then the price still goes up once you put the ORC on.

There's no way anyone is buying an 08 plated SS ute for 41k in February.

Not a chance.

I don't care what anyone might try and say defending it with prices they've paid for cars, it just doesn't happen.

And 38k for a Z SS in oct 07? I'd say you paid too much. And where might I ask do you find a brand spanking new SS Z? They don't keep any in factories, would've been off the used car lot or just really low kms. Still, you can't buy a new Z in 2007.

[Metal]

Even as a dealer we're barely discounting the utes at all. Did you notice the fact that he said he's waiting til May to receive it? A 2008 SS Auto ute for 41k? Doesn't happen. Motor show or not. Doesn't happen. The only way you pay 41k is when you're combining the vehicle price with whatever discount you received, then the price still goes up once you put the ORC on.

There's no way anyone is buying an 08 plated SS ute for 41k in February.

Not a chance.

I don't care what anyone might try and say defending it with prices they've paid for cars, it just doesn't happen.

And 38k for a Z SS in oct 07? I'd say you paid too much. And where might I ask do you find a brand spanking new SS Z? They don't keep any in factories, would've been off the used car lot or just really low kms. Still, you can't buy a new Z in 2007.


Am I the only one who goes into every freakin thread to see a certain person ^^^^^^^^ havin a go at someone/havin a whinge/tellin us 'rubbish. etc. etc. etc. ?


Either way, clutch, chill.

[Clutch22]

I don't get worked up about it, it's just funny people come in to buy cars off me and come up with ridiculous numbers saying their mate paid 40k for an SS sedan which was brand new at the time, non demo and the buyer had to wait for the car etc etc...

"So you're saying your mate bought the car brand new, and $3,000 under its price tag advertised not including GST? Ummm, sorry. Can't help you."

Buyers are liars. They come up with all sorts of numbers trying to get a deal. Fact is there simply isn't that much money in these cars to make a significant profit, or to create discounts like people on here dream up.

[Ahyeah]

Am I the only one who goes into every freakin thread to see a certain person ^^^^^^^^ havin a go at someone/havin a whinge/tellin us 'rubbish. etc. etc. etc. ?


Either way, clutch, chill.

your not alone man, these ls1'ers are a tough crowd i tell ya:stick:

but i still think for an 07 plate VE SS ute, auto, $41000 cheque and the ute is bought

[Metal]

I don't get worked up about it, it's just funny people come in to buy cars off me and come up with ridiculous numbers saying their mate paid 40k for an SS sedan which was brand new at the time, non demo and the buyer had to wait for the car etc etc...

"So you're saying your mate bought the car brand new, and $3,000 under its price tag advertised not including GST? Ummm, sorry. Can't help you."

Buyers are liars. They come up with all sorts of numbers trying to get a deal. Fact is there simply isn't that much money in these cars to make a significant profit, or to create discounts like people on here dream up.


The fact that he's paying FBT, possibly indicates a fleet discount. would that explain it?

[Clutch22]

No,

I work fleet. Still no chance.

The difference between fleet and retail is that in fleet, you just decide what you want to keep in a car as a profit. Every dealer (even the people at the motor show, because the deal still goes to that dealer because the staff represent different dealerships around the city) has a target profit. And every dealer has a minimum profit, so no matter how old the car is, that amount of money must always be made on the car for the dealership. It's extremely rare for a car to be sold under that threshold and only happens to cars that have been sitting there 10+ months.

But I know as a representative of a dealer, we are not discounting new utes. Nobody is. Why would we? They're selling like hot cakes. Do you think it matters to me, or anyone else if you don't buy this car at next to its full sale price? The next person walking through the doors will.

So, little bit of learning for you. Fleet means they decide what to keep in a car relevant to what the dealer needs as a profit, whereas retail always advertise the full retail price, and only discuss discounts when you're standing next to them ready to sign up.

Oh, and don't bother asking for a dealers best price over the phone. Won't happen. Well 9 times out of 10 anyway. Unless the dealer is desperate to get rid of the stock. Prices are only discussed in retail, in person.

[ATOMICSS]

No,


But I know as a representative of a dealer, we are not discounting new utes. Nobody is. Why would we? They're selling like hot cakes.



At least 2 Perth dealers were advertising new utes at significant discounts in last weeks Sunday Times. I belive 1 of them was offering $4k off new SSVs. at $40990 + ORC. Small discounts compared to sedans, to be sure, but nearly 10% starting to get there.

[teamkiwi]

Even as a dealer we're barely discounting the utes at all. Did you notice the fact that he said he's waiting til May to receive it? A 2008 SS Auto ute for 41k? Doesn't happen. Motor show or not. Doesn't happen. The only way you pay 41k is when you're combining the vehicle price with whatever discount you received, then the price still goes up once you put the ORC on.

There's no way anyone is buying an 08 plated SS ute for 41k in February.

Not a chance.

I don't care what anyone might try and say defending it with prices they've paid for cars, it just doesn't happen.

And 38k for a Z SS in oct 07? I'd say you paid too much. And where might I ask do you find a brand spanking new SS Z? They don't keep any in factories, would've been off the used car lot or just really low kms. Still, you can't buy a new Z in 2007.


Isnt retail price for an VE SS Ute (not SSV) $41990???? So $41,000 would seem realistic to me. Think you may be one of the dodgey car sales man trying to milk every $$$ out of the customer:D Dont think ill be visiting you for a new car:stick: (only because im one the better side of the Tasman Sea):P:P:P jk

[Clutch22]

To both Kiwi and Atomic,

firstly, yes the cars are 41,990, plus on road costs. So, call it 42k. ORC, do you know how much that costs? In wa, that would mean at least another 4k. No way I would give a 5k discount on a brand new ute.

And yes it's true some dealers are advertising 07 stock at good prices, but if you go in and ask for an 08 plated ute for the same price you'll be laughed at.

Those cars you're seeing in the newspaper advertised have more than likely been given their demo bonus (dealers apply for demo bonuses which are supplied by Holden, not the dealer 45 days later. The demo bonus does not cost the dealer anything). Even then, people want 08 cars, so they are prepared to discount the 07 stuff. No point in discounting 08 stock in February, on any car.

[PBoB]

38k for a Z SS in oct 07? I'd say you paid too much. And where might I ask do you find a brand spanking new SS Z? They don't keep any in factories, would've been off the used car lot or just really low kms. Still, you can't buy a new Z in 2007.

:spew::spew::spew::spew:

It's people like you who make me wish we could swear on these forums, pull your head out of your ass and smell your own bullsh*t mate, are you calling me a liar??

I bought my BRAND NEW 2007 VZ SS Ute from Eagers Holden at Newstead(which is a new car dealership smartass) in october last year with 000 003km on it. :flipoff:

Time to close your mouth and open your mind Mr.Knowitall...

[ATOMICSS]

:spew::spew::spew::spew:

It's people like you who make me wish we could swear on these forums, pull your head out of your ass and smell your own bullsh*t mate, are you calling me a liar??

I bought my BRAND NEW 2007 VZ SS Ute from Eagers Holden at Newstead(which is a new car dealership smartass) in october last year with 000 003km on it. :flipoff:

Time to close your mouth and open your mind Mr.Knowitall...

Dont mean to butt in but I believe Clutch may have thought you were talking about an SSZ ute rather than a 2007 VZ ss. The SSZ finished before 2006 so would not have been for sale in 2007.

[teamkiwi]

To both Kiwi and Atomic,

firstly, yes the cars are 41,990, plus on road costs. So, call it 42k. ORC, do you know how much that costs? In wa, that would mean at least another 4k. No way I would give a 5k discount on a brand new ute.

Not sure on the cost of ORC over there, but usually you can get the dealers to throw in ORC for free over here and its no where near the $4000 mark. '747' from the QLD so i assume that ORC for him wouldnt be $4000 at a guess????

[Clutch22]

:spew::spew::spew::spew:

It's people like you who make me wish we could swear on these forums, pull your head out of your a$$ and smell your own bullsh*t mate, are you calling me a liar??

I bought my BRAND NEW 2007 VZ SS Ute from Eagers Holden at Newstead(which is a new car dealership smarta$$) in october last year with 000 003km on it. :flipoff:

Time to close your mouth and open your mind Mr.Knowitall...

No my mind is baffled as to what dealership keeps a car that for two years on the lot without selling it. Do you know what a floor plan is? It's a daily charge which is costed to every car on the new car lot. Basically, over two years, if you are true to your word that you bought it as a new car, but not from the used car lot, that car would've racked up at least $4k in floor plan costs.

When a car gets to a stage where it hasn't been sold as a new car, but is costing the dealership money, the new car department sells it to used cars. Just because you bought it with 3km on the clock doesn't make it a new car by official terms.

So yeah, I am calling you a liar,.


Not sure on the cost of ORC over there, but usually you can get the dealers to throw in ORC for free over here and its no where near the $4000 mark. '747' from the QLD so i assume that ORC for him wouldnt be $4000 at a guess????

ORC can't just be done for free. They might cover your ORC in the discount, but that's all it gets done as. If your rego and stamp duty comes to 3 or 4k, they might give you that much discount and say "I've paid for your ORC on the car" to sweeten the deal. But the ORC are always paid for.

So still, it's going to be a 4k discount.

I know that the Stamp duty is different in the east by about 2%, but you're still looking at 3.5k worth of discount. You wouldn't get more than $2k discount on an 08 plated ute. I know we wouldn't bother anyway.

But wait... I'm baffled... I just had a brain wave. If the car comes in May, it will be a VE9. Dealers don't even have pricing for VE9 cars. We can't do deals for VE9s without a price to sell it for. I've written plenty of emails to Holden with requests for pricing and they say prices won't come out until April.

So yeah, again, some of the numbers people here dream up baffle me.

[C4B]

Buyers are liars.

Definitely the quote of the week....... :rofl: (What was that saying about pots and kettles?)

[XLR8 V8]

Definitely the quote of the week....... :rofl: (What was that saying about pots and kettles?)

Are you saying that car salesman can't be trusted? Next thing you'll be telling me that Lawyers are all sharks too :eek:



:D

[Clutch22]

Definitely the quote of the week....... :rofl: (What was that saying about pots and kettles?)

lol you need to speak to more salespeople and ask them if they've heard the term. I haven't met one yet who hasn't heard it.

And I don't buy anymore. Haven't had to own a car since I began selling them.

And I work fleet, I don't need to bull$#!t. I quote businesses who are only interested in the bottom line compared to other dealers.

But I still get people tell me they've been given prices by other dealers 5k lower than what I've quoted. And you know what I tell them? "You better go sign up for that car then."

[C4B]

lol you need to speak to more salespeople and ask them if they've heard the term. I haven't met one yet who hasn't heard it.

And I don't buy anymore. Haven't had to own a car since I began selling them.

And I work fleet, I don't need to bull$#!t. I quote businesses who are only interested in the bottom line compared to other dealers.

But I still get people tell me they've been given prices by other dealers 5k lower than what I've quoted. And you know what I tell them? "You better go sign up for that car then."

I've heard the term many times.... I was pointing out the total irony that car salespeople use the term (polygraph anyone!).

[Clutch22]

Are you saying that car salesman can't be trusted? Next thing you'll be telling me that Lawyers are all sharks too :eek:



:D

lol I know what you guys are saying. I wouldn't trust any salesman as far as I can throw them. But some people just need to realise there's a right way and a wrong way of doing business. We're not going to give you the car for nothing because we're a business and need to make a profit. How else do you think Holden, or any business keep afloat and grow, and are able to produce things like the VE?

My best advice for any retail buyers would be to go into a dealer, and be totally upfront and honest. You should get the same returned. I don't waste my time with people who try and shop, and shop, and shop. You know the ones who come into the yard and say "Just looking.... how much is it?... oh I'm still just looking.... What's the difference between the Omega and Lumina?..... Oh I swear I'm just looking..."

[mac06]

No my mind is baffled as to what dealership keeps a car that for two years on the lot without selling it. Do you know what a floor plan is? It's a daily charge which is costed to every car on the new car lot. Basically, over two years, if you are true to your word that you bought it as a new car, but not from the used car lot, that car would've racked up at least $4k in floor plan costs.

So yeah, I am calling you a liar,..

Since when did he say it's 2 years old. It's 2007 compliance, and dealers would have been keen to clear VZ with VE coming out. In any case who cares if it's been there one year or two years, if it's been in stock that long it's got to go........ :weirdo:



But wait... I'm baffled... I just had a brain wave. If the car comes in May, it will be a VE9. Dealers don't even have pricing for VE9 cars. We can't do deals for VE9s without a price to sell it for. I've written plenty of emails to Holden with requests for pricing and they say prices won't come out until April.



You really are a funny man aren't you. "Dealers can't do deals on VE09 without a price to sell"????? You have no idea do you. Haven't you heard of price protection if there is a price rise?

And then, "I've written plenty of emails to Holden with requests for pricing.....":rofl: Like Holden will change everything they do just because you send them an email.

This reminds me of XR6T GEN. Nowhere.........

[nqcv8]

We're not going to give you the car for nothing because we're a business and need to make a profit. How else do you think Holden, or any business keep afloat and grow, and are able to produce things like the VE?



I can point you to many deals that well and truelly are under invoice cost for a new vehicle sale.. seen many that eat into the factory bonus's and or Holdback.

It happens... and Happens alot with Toyota Dealers in particular.

I better not tell you what I paid for my Old Cv8 Monaro when new.. I would be a liar too.

[vx350int]

I have a quote on my pc at work which the dealer gave a $3600 discount on the VE SS Morpheus Purple ute...my workmate has put an order in for it, deposit has been paid delivery early march

After optioning with 20s and a few other bits the car came in at just over 40k (including orc) fleet purchase

cheers

found the quote VE SS ute manual

List price 36354.55
less disc 3605.00

32749.55
plus Dealer del Fleet 795
Met paint 363.64
Nudge bar 700
20x8 alloys 1800
sports bar VE 875
adj tonneau cov 365
bonnet prot 110
h/l prot 105
w/shields 120
pedals 300
insect screen 160
mud flaps 75
carpet mats 73
flip key x 2 160

total 38751.19

plus rego 594.35
stamps 1708.00

total $41053.54

[brett05]

Do you think it matters to me, or anyone else if you don't buy this car at next to its full sale price? The next person walking through the doors will.

You've got a really poor attitude towards customer service mate. I've read this thread and you are blinded by $$$ signs. You wont get much repeat business or recommendations with that sort of crap. Ever heard of pleasing a customer? Are you one of these dealers who gets the sh1ts if you dont buy the paint protection, fabric protection, tinting etc?

[C4B]

I can point you to many deals that well and truelly are under invoice cost for a new vehicle sale.. seen many that eat into the factory bonus's and or Holdback.

It happens... and Happens alot with Toyota Dealers in particular.

I better not tell you what I paid for my Old Cv8 Monaro when new.. I would be a liar too.

Cmon.... spill the beans.... I want to know how much of a liar you are? ;)

[nqcv8]

Cmon.... spill the beans.... I want to know how much of a liar you are? ;)

I would be a pretty big Liar I reckon..Almost as big as a used car salesman :lol:

[Clutch22]

*yawn*

You know what the great thing about the internet is? You can make up whatever you want.

[nqcv8]

*yawn*

You know what the great thing about the internet is? You can make up whatever you want.

Yep and if u dont agree, you can call them liars.

And its times like this that reminds me why I got out and dont have to train monkeys on how to use a D.B.S anymore :woohoo:

[VooDoo]

Saturday in Brisbane, 07 VE SSV Ute. $44990 DRIVEAWAY!
Leather, Rear cover, Mats inc.

[747]

I cant believe some of you tossers

Vehicle is 41990 + 400 for metallic paint
ORC are approx $4000
Total = $46400

Margin, holdback, and delivery profit = $5300

$46,400-$5300 = $41,100

Now I just happened to be in the right spot at the right time and I got a no profit deal. To some of you blind eyed salespeople there is a thing called volume and I happen to buy a lot of cars - Just sometimes buyers are not liars and some of you may not even be aware of what the FULL profit margin is. This dealership wanted my business and loyalty. I am not fleet. Yes I will have to wait until May. No there was no trade-in.

And NO, you probably wont get within $1000 of the deal I got at 75% of dealerships unless they REALLY want your business.

Some dealers will be astute to know that a deal in the hand is worth 2 in the air. Come May the market may be different and a bag full of orders is a nice place to be.


Let's make it simple for the buyers to work out a fair deal. Take 10% off the cost of a VE OTR and you prob have a great fair deal.

The next salesman that wants to call me a liar and state his name and dealership OR STFU

[CharlieDontSurf]

*yawn*

You know what the great thing about the internet is? You can make up whatever you want.

And your posts are a perfect example. On numerous threads.
I havent witnessed this same sort of reaction from this community since XR6T last started a few threads...

[Ferret]

i picked up a 08 plated ve ss ute in atomic m6 with leather towbar tint and mats drive away for $42,800 hopefully pick it up in a week or 2. didnt think it was to bad.

[Todeskopf]

I managed to get my hands on a VZ SS Thunder, Manual with Ignition Leather Trim for $39k drive away back in August of 07. It was also stamped Jan. 07 and came with the L98 instead of the L76. (Test drove it with 5kms on the clock)

[danial7719]

Enjoy your new utes!

[ssvyredute]

*yawn*

You know what the great thing about the internet is? You can make up whatever you want.

mate the truth is you cant sell your stock as cheap as other dealers are selling them for, and its pissing you off! basically the gist of your argument!!

[SJA]

SSV ute m6, towbar, 08 build $44,500 driveaway, i'm happy! (Two weeks to go)

[roduzza]

went to holden dealership in brisbane about a ve ss m6 in kapow they said six month wait if getting extras