VE SS Flat Spot..

[Grommz]

So im driving my SS home last night and decided to get a bit "spirited" around a few corners and it was like it just died on me nothing no power or anything..

then 1-2 seconds later if that away we went again..

It probably wasnt as long as 1-2 seconds but feels like it when your driving.

The cars the Auto version if that matters... and had a Twin 3" cat back.
my thought was maybe not getting enough cold air now with new exhaust ? :1peek:


Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar thing ?

[SS Enforcer]

Was it shifting between 2nd and 3rd . Mine used to do that but not any more. It flares at first startup instead. :)

cheers

[Clutch22]

New car?

Let the car have its first 3000km first. Gotta break it in. That's the whole point of a 3000km service. Most of the cars problems happen in the first 3k and you have them taken care of at the 3k service.

My bet would be the auto trans though. I've driven plenty of Holden autos that have done the same thing in their first few kms. Haven't had one driver come back to me and say it has happened to them after the 3000km though.

[Grommz]

yeah its only done 2600ks mate.

so what is it there gonna do to it at the 3000k service thatll fix it ?

or your saying mention it and something will be done ?

[Clutch22]

Let the next 400km play out, and just mention it to the service advisor when you bring it in.

The 3000km serivce is to make sure everything is running smoothly and for you as the customer to bring up any issues with the dealer. Usually they're quickly fixed.

Bring it in, tell the advisor and see what they say. You'll find that the car just needs to be broken in. Especially if you don't give the car a push often and this is the first time you've decided to give it a good wallop around the corners.

[Grommz]

nah ive given it a wallop before hit the GOR a few weeks back.. :D

i just rang and booked it in for 2 weeks time for the 3000k service as it also needs to have its track stripes on the roof replaced.

mentioned the auto and it will be looked at.

thanks mate.

i hope itll be all ok after that or sort it selve out with just running it in i suppose...

[Clutch22]

It's amazing how many people complain about their track stripes.

Where we get our stuff done, HSVi in Kewdale, they always do an amazing job at everything that they do. I fully back them 100% The paintwork apparently needs to be "blocked" before the stripes go on, spotlessly clean is not good enough.

The guy who does all the mods at HSVi is young, but brilliant. The work he's done for me personally has always turned out brilliant and I have never had one complaint.

[Brandonsdad]

So im driving my SS home last night and decided to get a bit "spirited" around a few corners and it was like it just died on me nothing no power or anything..

then 1-2 seconds later if that away we went again..

It probably wasnt as long as 1-2 seconds but feels like it when your driving.

The cars the Auto version if that matters... and had a Twin 3" cat back.
my thought was maybe not getting enough cold air now with new exhaust ? :1peek:


Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar thing ?


Isnt it to do with the ESP or Traction Control or something. I thought that if the car thinks its about to go into wheelspin that it cuts power for a brief second and then it comes back in about a second. Mine has done it a few times and I have never thought it was a fault, but I may be wrong.
Hopefully someone can shed a bit of light on it.

[redss]

Isnt it to do with the ESP or Traction Control or something. I thought that if the car thinks its about to go into wheelspin that it cuts power for a brief second and then it comes back in about a second. Mine has done it a few times and I have never thought it was a fault, but I may be wrong.
Hopefully someone can shed a bit of light on it.

Mines the same. sometimes the ESP flashes up and goes away again quickly enough that I dont notice the warning display (especially if your busy with the "spirited driving"). I guess the easiest way to sort that though, is to check and see if it does it without the ESP on...

Cheers

Pete

[planetdavo]

Isnt it to do with the ESP or Traction Control or something.
Powerful car? Yep.
Spirited driving? Yep.
Corners? Yep.

I would have thought a few people would have realised this, before your (almost certainly correct) answer.

[sixlta]

Had the same ting on mine when i first picked it up, Holden said it was a loose battery terminal,
Don't know but it stopped after that,

[danial7719]

Thank goodness for NCW !

[Grommz]

i honestly dont think its the ESP..

it even did it to me tonight normal driving so its not just when "spirited"

it is in no way normal for a car to do what its doing.

[Brandonsdad]

Powerful car? Yep.
Spirited driving? Yep.
Corners? Yep.

I would have thought a few people would have realised this, before your (almost certainly correct) answer.

What a very helpful reply? No

I was just guessing and was hoping for some positive confirmation. Not everyone would be able to work it out spaceboy.

[Grommz]

lol davo works for holden..

he knows everything.

"sarcasm"

and no dave thats not an attack so dont give me some massive reply.. im just saying there may be another issue here with my car.

[Brandonsdad]

lol davo works for holden..

he knows everything.

"sarcasm"

and no dave thats not an attack so dont give me some massive reply.. im just saying there may be another issue here with my car.

He works for Holdens, typical answer then. I thought I was in my local dealership.
Well maybe he can give you a detailed answer to your question rather than saying that he thought you would have realised this. Obviously if you did realise this then you would not be posting it on here. Correct? Yes.:bravo:

[planetdavo]

Or maybe....TC/ESP is working as it should.
Certainly sounds like it.

[Grommz]

hardly cos it wasnt even getting driven that hard dave..

ill test it tommorow without esp on my moneys on it does the same thing.

[planetdavo]

What a very helpful reply? No

I was just guessing and was hoping for some positive confirmation. Not everyone would be able to work it out spaceboy.

Whatever....


hardly cos it wasnt even getting driven that hard dave..

ill test it tommorow without esp on my moneys on it does the same thing.
From your ORIGINAL post, it was a classic description of this feature at work. Remember that you have a very powerful, very torquey beast. It doesn't take much to activate it sometimes, depending on the road surface.
If it's not it, that's why new cars have warranty.

[ssgirl2]

O2 sensor?

[Grommz]

i totally agree with you dave warrantys are a wonderful thing.

[ash0105]

So im driving my SS home last night and decided to get a bit "spirited" around a few corners and it was like it just died on me nothing no power or anything..

then 1-2 seconds later if that away we went again..

It probably wasnt as long as 1-2 seconds but feels like it when your driving.

The cars the Auto version if that matters... and had a Twin 3" cat back.
my thought was maybe not getting enough cold air now with new exhaust ? :1peek:


Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar thing ?'

Hi Grommz i have this same problem did you find the problem? what was the outcome.

[MoreHPformyXR6]

My car hasnt got ESP but it does have traction control and I had never had it b4. They first time I experienced it I thought my engine had died for a split second. I was three years ago drivining into a city car park and it had been raining and the ramp up to get your ticket was quite damp from other cars wet tyres. I stopped got my ticket still on a slight up slope upward took of and that when it felt like engine had died for a split second (but that turned out to be traction control working for me) its such a spoil sport hehe. Can you switch the traction control/esp on and of in the VE's? also is it intrusive when on?

[HOLDAN]

So im driving my SS home last night and decided to get a bit "spirited" around a few corners and it was like it just died on me nothing no power or anything..

then 1-2 seconds later if that away we went again..

It probably wasnt as long as 1-2 seconds but feels like it when your driving.

The cars the Auto version if that matters... and had a Twin 3" cat back.
my thought was maybe not getting enough cold air now with new exhaust ? :1peek:


Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar thing ?


Hate to say it but this question was discussed recently
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76406&highlight=ve+flat+spot

[BadSeed]

your car is so quick that the track stipes are peeling.. thats my opinion at least :)

[ash0105]

Hate to say it but this question was discussed recently
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76406&highlight=ve+flat+spot

no kidding, ive been through all the threads, the question i asked was what was the outcome ? i have read all the threads , there all opinions and no actual facts there are plenty of posts of people with problems but not many with outcomes on what solved there problem.

[fastestls7]

perhaps it was/is a glitch with your auto tune done by your mate

[Boodles]

So im driving my SS home last night and decided to get a bit "spirited" around a few corners and it was like it just died on me nothing no power or anything..

then 1-2 seconds later if that away we went again..

It probably wasnt as long as 1-2 seconds but feels like it when your driving.

The cars the Auto version if that matters... and had a Twin 3" cat back.
my thought was maybe not getting enough cold air now with new exhaust ? :1peek:


Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar thing ?

Yep, I also have a A6 with just over 4000 k's and it does the same thing! I took the car to the local dealership for the 3000km service and raised the problem of the savage down change whilst under load and was informed upon collecting my car by the service advisor "that this was normal" :confused:

You are right, it mainly is experienced whilst putting the power down while exiting a corner or a round about.

I did raise this with the guy that tunes my race car and he seems to think it would be rectified by a tune of both the engine and a remapping the shift points in the transmission. I also live on top of a hill and find that the car also labours in top gear while going up the hill, while driving normally.

Its a shame Holden can't find fault with this and rectify the problems we are all experiencing with the auto!! Apart from this it is a great car!!

[zorro]

While this may be of some help or not, my company car used to do this on cold idle and occasionally whilst driving. It was sourced back to the calibration of the electronic throttle. After fix no problems at all.

[HOLDAN]

no kidding, ive been through all the threads, the question i asked was what was the outcome ? i have read all the threads , there all opinions and no actual facts there are plenty of posts of people with problems but not many with outcomes on what solved there problem.

Doesn't that answer your question - the jury is still out

[ash0105]

perhaps it was/is a glitch with your auto tune done by your mate

1. Never had an auto tune done :flipoff:


Yep, I also have a A6 with just over 4000 k's and it does the same thing! I took the car to the local dealership for the 3000km service and raised the problem of the savage down change whilst under load and was informed upon collecting my car by the service advisor "that this was normal" :confused:

You are right, it mainly is experienced whilst putting the power down while exiting a corner or a round about.

I did raise this with the guy that tunes my race car and he seems to think it would be rectified by a tune of both the engine and a remapping the shift points in the transmission. I also live on top of a hill and find that the car also labours in top gear while going up the hill, while driving normally.

Its a shame Holden can't find fault with this and rectify the problems we are all experiencing with the auto!! Apart from this it is a great car!!


The Auto is not the problem the car changes gear fine its the cutting out of the engine with hesitation, low revs or high revs it does not matter, esp on or off it still does it, sports button on or off it still does it it normaly at full throttle from 60kph and from 80kph ?


Doesn't that answer your question - the jury is still out
i Must have the wrong thread. No it dosn't answer my question :flipoff:

[monaro327]

so what happened when u turned the esp off???

the esp and tract. control come on during 'spirited drivng' when the car realises you are not in full control

my gf managed to get the ass out on a hard launch/corner and the esp has left her alone ......until she freaked out at how much ass it was sgetting and the esp came on.... intelligent thing it is!~

[ash0105]

so what happened when u turned the esp off???

the esp and tract. control come on during 'spirited drivng' when the car realises you are not in full control

my gf managed to get the ass out on a hard launch/corner and the esp has left her alone ......until she freaked out at how much ass it was sgetting and the esp came on.... intelligent thing it is!~

The car is not breaking traction, it wont break traction from a standing start let alone at 60kph or 80kph unless wet. iIknow how traction control works and its not that, Its not hitting the rev limiter, I know when it cuts in, and when all this does cut in i know what it feels like and it isn't that. :bawl:

[Evman]

The car is not breaking traction, it wont break traction from a standing start let alone at 60kph or 80kph unless wet

Just to clarify, did you have esp off at the time?

[Grommz]

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Hi Grommz i have this same problem did you find the problem? what was the outcome.

All fixed mate it was all in the Auto Tune havent had a whiff of an issue since i had the auto done.

ESP on/off had no difference in how it was playing funny buggers.

[ash0105]

Just to clarify, did you have esp off at the time?
yes it also does it with esp off.

[Brandonsdad]

The car is not breaking traction, it wont break traction from a standing start let alone at 60kph or 80kph unless wet. iIknow how traction control works and its not that, Its not hitting the rev limiter, I know when it cuts in, and when all this does cut in i know what it feels like and it isn't that. :bawl:

It used to happen to me months ago. It would happen at times when you didnt even plant your foot down. Sometimes taking off at a T Junction in front of oncoming traffic it would momentarily die and then the power would come back. It mainly happened with the steering pointing left or right. I guess something to do with either wheel losing traction or somethingarather.
It hasnt happened at all for a while. I got the auto flashed or something from Holdens earlier this year. They did that thing to it that helps hold the gear whilst going downhill and changed down gears with more purpose. I have also had a tune done since a few months ago too.
It never does it now. The Holden flash probably eliminated it and the Tune from Martin would probably have done the same thing, but because the tune was done later, I cant say for sure. But I reckon it would have.
If you want to break traction get a tune done, even a mail-order one. Your car will not be the same again. My ESP or traction control signal comes up sometimes (dont know which one, but I know something flashes on my little screen), but no loss of power.

[ash0105]

All fixed mate it was all in the Auto Tune havent had a whiff of an issue since i had the auto done.

ESP on/off had no difference in how it was playing funny buggers.

Thanks Grommze so was that just a software upgrade that had be done by holden or is it an after market tune you had done ?

[Oztrack Tuning]

Many of the flatspots that VE owners report can be fixed with my latest A6 tune. My uncle just on sunday commented that the main thing he wanted fixed was a flatspot he encounters at roundabouts. He was wrapped to find that the gearbox tune had gotten ridden of it.

[Grommz]

Thanks Grommze so was that just a software upgrade that had be done by holden or is it an after market tune you had done ?

Aftermarket mate :)

[fastestls7]

i wasnt responding to your thread pimple dick. it was responding to grommz thread he has had his auto tuned by his mate. so:flipoff: right back of you country boy
1. Never had an auto tune done :flipoff:




The Auto is not the problem the car changes gear fine its the cutting out of the engine with hesitation, low revs or high revs it does not matter, esp on or off it still does it, sports button on or off it still does it it normaly at full throttle from 60kph and from 80kph ?


i Must have the wrong thread. No it dosn't answer my question :flipoff:

[ash0105]

i wasnt responding to your thread pimple dick. it was responding to grommz thread he has had his auto tuned by his mate. so:flipoff: right back of you country boy

Thats ok you're a waste of good oxygen anyway you just stay down there in the city filtering the carbon emmisions for us all that's all you're good for.

[Boodles]

Can anyone suggest when to have the auto remap done in Brisbane or the Gold Coast?

Thanks in advance.

[Brandonsdad]

Thanks Grommze so was that just a software upgrade that had be done by holden or is it an after market tune you had done ?

Try getting Holdens to flash the trans upgrade into it. They did it for me about 6 months ago. Its the one where it holds gears for longer going downhill. Sometimes it would hold the gear a bit too much though but Im pretty sure that this helped with the flat spot issue.


Can anyone suggest when to have the auto remap done in Brisbane or the Gold Coast?

Thanks in advance.

Book in for a tune with one of the sponsors in either city and they do the auto trans anyway. Its all in their computer and just a matter of them pressing buttons. My mail order tune and trans took about 5 mins to get done.

[mmjlw]

My SS-v has been doing the same for about 14 months on and off i have got 64k on the dial and it normally happens after I stop at a intersection and then take off normally, between gears 3 and 4, sometimes it happens after I use the gears as a manual, been to holden and they say ther is no probls but its still happening.

[HRT 8]

I own a SSV ute A6 (MY09)that has been tuned. Mine is good as gold.

I drove (I use that term loosely :burnout:) one of the work cars (MY08 model) on Thursday night and had all the A6 symptoms you guys are describing.

A good TCM tune is your answer!!
Stock box is absolute crap compared to a well sorted one.

[CV860L]

I was having the exact same problem and went back to holden on 2 occasions and took the mechanics (I use that term loosely) for test drives to show them what was happening.
If you drive down the road, get on the brakes and then jump back on the gas you can literally pump the accelerator flat to the floor boards and nothing happens for 2 or 3 seconds.
The reason it happens at roundabouts and intersections is because you're getting off the brake pedal and then on to the gas too quickly for the car.
Holden can now flash the transmission and resolve it (apparently they only got it 4 weeks ago).
They fixed mine approx. 4 weeks ago and it disappeared completely.

[SSFreak]

I was having the exact same problem and went back to holden on 2 occasions and took the mechanics (I use that term loosely) for test drives to show them what was happening.
If you drive down the road, get on the brakes and then jump back on the gas you can literally pump the accelerator flat to the floor boards and nothing happens for 2 or 3 seconds.
The reason it happens at roundabouts and intersections is because you're getting off the brake pedal and then on to the gas too quickly for the car.
Holden can now flash the transmission and resolve it (apparently they only got it 4 weeks ago).
They fixed mine approx. 4 weeks ago and it disappeared completely.

That's a relief, I'll have to get my done soon. I have only had the car for 4 weeks and have done about 2200km. I have had the flat spot on 4 occasions, every time coming out of a roundabout and accelerating gently.

It happened again today for the 5th time. There was a gap in traffic in the next lane so I changed lanes and accelerated. The engine suddenly died for a good couple of seconds and the car decelerated quickly. Not a good feeling when a truck caught up and was looming in my rear view mirror. Then the engine kicked in and it suddenly took off like a bat out of hell. I had to brake to avoid running up a car in front that I rapidly caught up to. Scared the crap out of me. Never had problems like this with the VY SS. Can't wait to get this sorted out.

[Dassvnip]

Mines doing the same shite! i was pulling out of my street today getting ready to turn right across traffic, started to accelerate noticed their was a car coming up over the hill decided to plant it accelerated, then car felt like it was going to die on me, then suddenly power kicked back in while my foot was flat on.... :( nearly got hit! difference is mines a 6m... whats the go there?

[arboo]

Can it be something to do with the stupid learning program thing in the gearbox?
I I've got 4500K's on the clock and it still happens. Cruising around slowly in "D" for a while the car nods off to sleep. Just a subtle push on the accelerator coming out of a slow corner and the car feels like it stalls for couple of seconds? Very weird and extremely annoying.

[Brandonsdad]

There are heaps of good things about our VE's, but stupid little things like this seem to be programmed into the trans to annoy the shit out of us. Didnt they find any of these problems during their intense testing. Couldnt they find any roundabouts to moderately drive around.

[ByfordBlade]

Holden can now flash the transmission and resolve it (apparently they only got it 4 weeks ago).

Anyone know which dealers in Perth have this - I got my car serviced today and mentioned the problem and that I'd heard there was a fix for it. When I picked the car up this afternoon I was told mine has the latest software so no change was necessary, however if I was willing to pay $1,100 for a full tune they could adjust the transmission software at that time. I politely queried why I would want to pay when there is apparently a free solution to my current problem.

One day I will get a tune once I've added the necessary fruit, but in the meantime can someone just fix my freakin' car?

[mmjlw]

I'm having the same problem I just got my car serviced and mentioned that they was a software fix but they knew nothing about it and can't find the problem. so does anyone know a dealer in Victoria that knows how to fix this problem???

[corneus]

Many of the flatspots that VE owners report can be fixed with my latest A6 tune. My uncle just on sunday commented that the main thing he wanted fixed was a flatspot he encounters at roundabouts. He was wrapped to find that the gearbox tune had gotten ridden of it.

I have been having this flat spot problem in a NOV 08 Grange. It has done only 4000km and had the first service, and I have been told that Holden and HSV are looking into a software fix for the transmission. I think it is unbelievable that there have been reports about this problem now for so long, and Holden still have not done anything about it!

Of course, I got told at the 3000km service that I had the latest software and I just had to live with it until they decided to fix it. Sounds like they don't even accept that there's a problem to me.