Orion Falcon Launch (17 Feb 2008)

[Metal]

is this the real thing??


searched on images.google.com for 'ford orion', and the bottom right image links to a well known website, however that image is knowhere to be seen, but click the 'show full size image' link at the very top, and it comes up with a 'clear as day' image of the new orion. LINK TO NEW ORION PIC (images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/jdesign/08Falcon25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.caradvice.com.au/3720/ford-falcon-spyshots-overview/&h=567&w=800&sz=196&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=H6P-Re-pXR5SUM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dford%2Borion%2Bcaradvice%26gbv%3D2%26 hl%3Den%26sa%3DG).... CGI or real? looks pretty good IMO?

[gasguz]

Here is another pic

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/NXPYZGXN.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.autocult.com.au/Image.aspx%3Fid%3D17631&h=515&w=800&sz=49&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=MNf0qmlqkyU_MM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dford%2Borion%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz %3D1B3GGGL_enAU177AU215%26sa%3DN

we dont have long to wait anyway, isnt it being revealed in a few days time??

The bonnet on the car in the above link looks very much like the VZ bonnet.

we will have to wait & see

[Road Warrior]

Them's some old photochops brah

[EddieVE06]

I'm betting on it looking more like the burgandy car, but the silver one looks pretty nice i must say

[V-Car]

we dont have long to wait anyway, isnt it being revealed in a few days time??


Press details are embargoed till the 17th Feb.
Watch out for a great new video of every part of the car in cad cam form coming together to build the car.

[Ghia351]

Press details are embargoed till the 17th Feb.
Watch out for a great new video of every part of the car in cad cam form coming together to build the car....I wonder who will break it first...the embargo that is....any more snippets you wish to throw our way :nyuk:

[Metal]

...I wonder who will break it first...the embargo that is....any more snippets you wish to throw our way :nyuk:

Went to drive.com the other day, and it had a headline picture of the new Holden sportwagon, with a heading that said, 2008 Falcon Launched! first pictures, or somethin like that,, and when you clicked the link, it took you to the new WRX STI (which is now their front page atm)? lol


:confused::confused:

[zaim]

looks like a mondeo

[BadMac]

Try this CGI!!!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fordfalconcgigood.jpg[/

[BadMac]

Ok, I checked the old threads and they didn't suit.

The new Orion is launched this weekend (at some private undisclosed location) and the press embargo is lifted. So the camo will come off the main competition for the VE and we will see it in all its glory.

Heres a couple of recent spy shots just to get things rolling. This weekend will be pics and specs. No big internet launch event or anything, at least no real pics have emerged yet (VE had leaked by this late stage).

Have to say the second pic could be a RedHot VE except for the taillights.
Does look to have some better details than VE (no doubt some will be better, some worse).

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orion92.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orion93.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orion94.jpg

[cashie]

I'm thinking they are looking pretty good...
I am thinking the Orion XR6T may be a damn fine car.

[F6 Hoon]

Can't wait to see what FPV have in store. Chances are the F6 will be the performance car to get.

[someLS1]

Lookin foward to seeing what it looks like.. altho judging by that wont be great im so sick of all new cars having the nose dive look with the rear of the car sky high and massive with all the angles of the car pointing down to the front... never the less a new ford or holden model is always exciting

[macca_779]

Lookin foward to seeing what it looks like.. altho judging by that wont be great im so sick of all new cars having the nose dive look with the rear of the car sky high and massive with all the angles of the car pointing down to the front... never the less a new ford or holden model is always exciting

Unfortunately looks sometimes have to take a back seat to aerodynamic efficiency. High Arse, low nose is one of those characteristics. But hey it makes it go faster so its not all bad

[ringram]

Looks like a VE to me :)

[McobraR]

I think you guys are judging it with the camo too much. The black camo is wrapped from the bottom of the rear bumper OVER the spoiler, hiding the actual boot height, making it look like a VE with a high boot, my guess is it's just got a high spoiler. Overall, it does look VE-ish, without them ugly flares of course :rofl:, hopefully this should make the base models look good.

edit: not to stir anything up, i like the flares on the sports/hi spec models, but not the omega ;)

[EddieVE06]

With the camo it look very VE to me. Anyway see what the final product looks like, I'm sure it will be nice, god knows they need a lift big time.

[Pickles]

Whatever it is, it will be an anticlimax. I'm not anti Ford, but until FPV get a new V8 engine, that can compete with HSV, then they're going to flounder.
Cheers, PGB005.

[dadem0n]

I bet they were one of the first to buy a VE 18 months ago to make comparisions :rofl:

Should be a good package and when the new drivetrains are released with the 2010 update, it may even give VF a hard shake :eek:

[GPT]

It will be interesting to see and touch it in the flesh this Sunday.

[Smitty]

not wanting to be funny
but guys..we sure thats a Ford..??

just walked past a couple of our VE fleet hacks here at work in carpark
and those pics look VE to me (door handles, doors, B pillar, guard flare etc)
or
maybe VE update (SII or VF?) coz of camouflage

comments?

cheers

[korrupt]

not wanting to be funny
but guys..we sure thats a Ford..??

just walked past a couple of our VE fleet hacks here at work in carpark
and those pics look VE to me (door handles, doors, B pillar, guard flare etc)
or
maybe VE update (SII or VF?) coz of camouflage

comments?

cheers
The middle pic looks very much like a VE with that front quarter plane vent and pumped guard. The door handles look a different though, VE doesn't have the big circle underneath, does it?

[XLR8 V8]

not wanting to be funny
but guys..we sure thats a Ford..??

just walked past a couple of our VE fleet hacks here at work in carpark
and those pics look VE to me (door handles, doors, B pillar, guard flare etc)
or
maybe VE update (SII or VF?) coz of camouflage

comments?

cheers


Agreed. The wheels look like the Veloce wheel option from Holden too

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/ben82d/car/veloce4.jpg


If that's the new Ford, they must have sacked their car design team and just bought a VE and made some VERY minor changes

[jaykay]

Check out the Orion pic to my VE, the side looks the same except the wheels....did the Ford designer come across from Holden :confused:

[http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orion93.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/jkgmh/VE%20SSV/Copyof100_0134.jpg

The Veloce wheels are open where the two spkes fan out near the edge, where the ones on the Orion join together...

JK

[EddieVE06]

Deceiving pics, no rear arial, the side indicator is higher in the so called orion pic, side mirrirs look similar but look a touch larger in the spy pic.
The third picture from what i saw had a centre readout like the HSV ones but was more tilted towards the driver.

I hope the VE has not been cloned, we will all be driving very similar cars, but it might be the updated VE /VF.
Was the foto taken on the Hume near Ford?, that might give a clearer indication of what it might be.

[Holden Man]

I'd say the new Falcon will satisfy all the "girlie men" who don't like the "tough / muscular" wheel arches on the Commodore. :p

(looks like a cross between the VE and Liberty)

[Zombie]

Aside from a few details, the side shot could easily be mistaken for a VE. I realise Ford didn't have a big budget (barely had one at all), but it's disappointing to see them copying the VE so much.

Still, our VE's with the huge pumped wheel arches look much more aggressive :D

[Smitty]

..still not sure with those pics

mind you
if those are Orion pics, then Ford might as well sell up and go home
because who would buy a car that looks exactly like an existing car
already on the market....blue badge, not red?

same sides, same door handles, same rear door and despite the
black out treatment...same side indicator treatment
sez


confusion :confused:

[McobraR]

Deceiving pics, no rear arial, the side indicator is higher in the so called orion pic, side mirrirs look similar but look a touch larger in the spy pic.
The third picture from what i saw had a centre readout like the HSV ones but was more tilted towards the driver.

I hope the VE has not been cloned, we will all be driving very similar cars, but it might be the updated VE /VF.
Was the foto taken on the Hume near Ford?, that might give a clearer indication of what it might be.

definitely isn't the VE or VF or anything Holden, the rear door opening looks bigger and more curved than that of the VE, and i doubt they' wouldve changed the door opening as an update, plus as you can see, guard's aren't as pronounced. Plus little detail such as the crease running along the side above the door handles, along with the crease hidden under that fake body panel should differentiate it. I beiieve its just the camera and perspective that makes the rear stick up high since other spy shots indicate that its not as angled as the VE.
btw the design wouldve been finalised before the VE was released.

[Aus8]

Orion door handles are straight out of the Territory parts bin.

Aus8

[C4B]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orion93.jpg

I hope the build quality of the production version is better. The black door strips look very poorly fitted, and the hub caps on the wheels don't seem to fit correctly.

I'm not a big fan of the red and black contrast colour scheme they've gone with (I guess they've tried to give it a race-car paint scheme look).

But still not bad for a Ford product..... ;)

NOTE: For those who aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, I realize that it is covered in shielding to protect the final shape, The comments above were of a light hearted nature.

[Fnomna]

The Veloce wheels are open where the two spkes fan out near the edge, where the ones on the Orion join together...

Like the Focus wheels
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/2006_Ford_Focus_XR5_Turbo.JPG/800px-2006_Ford_Focus_XR5_Turbo.JPG

[Aus8]

For a 5 cyl I love thos XR5's look great on the road! *Awaits flaming*

[brentonsav]

For a 5 cyl I love thos XR5's look great on the road! *Awaits flaming*

pity about the f-wits that drive them thinking they own a fast car

[Aus8]

They are quicker than my ss with a couple of quick mods. Cant under estimate a modded XR5T or AstraT.

[blackxr]

Hi,

It seems that when ever a new Holden or Ford everyone always tries to focus on how much they look alike.

From what iv'e seen they don't look similar but they have always sort of ina way looked like some parts have been copied.

Like the Vy looked like a cross between a magna Au falcon and the Front of the VE i thought looked very ba like and im sure the new Falcon in some ways will look like a VE.
But i hope it doesn't.

P.S i don't want to annot anyone just my opinion

[lowriding]

can't help but think the product will be less than it could be .Ford being Ford saving 20 cents has always been a favorite pastime ,but given the situation & that their budget was raped by the FoMoCo US quite early on in the development ,unfortunately i reckon we will see a few cut corners here and there .Additionally in the time leading up to VE Holdens spent literally billions in plant upgrades all the way along the assembly line from paint to robotics leading to much more automation and better QA tolerances - have Ford Aus done as much in this backroom area to support the new product ? or will the new car have the same very ordinary thin paint jobs and build of BA/BF ?

[Marco]

It does look like a VE with some of the sharper edges rounded off...

[seldo]

Borrowed this from FF...
You can see that the camo photos are definitely the Orion
http://www.users.on.net/~srtar6ets/fordfalconcgicrappyshop.jpg[/

[EddieVE06]

I saw a Territory next to me tonight, had the exact same door handles with the large round holes behind it. I'd say it the falcon for sure.

The pic from the FF looks pretty good, time will tell though

[BadMac]

I can assure you all, the red pics are an XR6 Orion, the VE look is partly the angle and partly because that look is the trend and partly the Red Hot colour (Vixen in Fords). When you see the real thing (Sunday) you will see its definatley a Falcon, but it shares many looks with VE. It does have some neat stuff and some of the surfacing and lines are better executed than VE. There are things which you will raise your eyebrows at and think "why".

All in all its a good improvement on BA/BF and fully dumps the AU shackles. Is it better than VE, I can assure you 1/3 of the population will say yes "kills VE", 1/3 will say no "FOrd POS" and the other third will see a nice car which we hope will keep FOA alive and allow manufacturing to continue in AUS (which is important for us Kiwis who don't have anything home grown so look to our brothers in the West Island for our "local" cars).

[EddieVE06]

I can assure you all, the red pics are an XR6 Orion, the VE look is partly the angle and partly because that look is the trend and partly the Red Hot colour (Vixen in Fords). When you see the real thing (Sunday) you will see its definatley a Falcon, but it shares many looks with VE. It does have some neat stuff and some of the surfacing and lines are better executed than VE. There are things which you will raise your eyebrows at and think "why".

All in all its a good improvement on BA/BF and fully dumps the AU shackles. Is it better than VE, I can assure you 1/3 of the population will say yes "kills VE", 1/3 will say no "FOrd POS" and the other third will see a nice car which we hope will keep FOA alive and allow manufacturing to continue in AUS (which is important for us Kiwis who don't have anything home grown so look to our brothers in the West Island for our "local" cars).

"Surfacing and lines" does that mean fit and finish or just angles applied to the car or are you not allowed to let to much out of the bag.

[ryno]

Yeah, the pic does look VE-ish but has slightly different body lines and seems to be clearly missing the Bee Sting. The wheels look like Fords trend in wheel design (see Mondeo and Focus).

Im not phased if it looks like the VE. Can't blame Ford for wanting a good looking car:) It sort of reminds me of fake designer handbags, they look ok but at the end of the day its not the real deal.
:rofl:

[lowriding]

"Surfacing and lines" does that mean fit and finish or just angles applied to the car or are you not allowed to let to much out of the bag.

he'd be referring to body and shell details such as the crease lines in the lower doors etc

[BadMac]

I am referring to many lines and surfaces, but one obvious example is the way the door scollops line flows through the wheel arch into the rear bar join and up to the tail lights. Also some of the rear boot lines and subtle rounding of corners.

Its not that the VE is bad, they are just different approaches and some areas VE has better lines, some areas Orion does, but its all personal opinion, when you see it in the flesh make up your own mind. I can assure you in some areas you will scratch your head, but for the budget and price point Ford have done well.

The orion on right is a chop of a chop, not the real car.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/sbys.jpg

This is one of the "found on rubbish dump" CGI's that show the FPV direction, but you can see some of the lines.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/orionfpv8.jpg

And this is a real photo of the car showing the door scollops without camo

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/1-may30-falcon.jpg

The real pics and full specs are embargoed until 12 on Sunday. All of the above pics are in the public domain and do not breach the embargo all are from last year. The red ones on the first page are very recent.

[geary]

not as accurate as this:

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/2008/2008-ford-falcon-orion-2/

[Ghia351]

Additionally in the time leading up to VE Holdens spent literally billions in plant upgrades all the way along the assembly line from paint to robotics leading to much more automation and better QA tolerances - have Ford Aus done as much in this backroom area to support the new product ? or will the new car have the same very ordinary thin paint jobs and build of BA/BF ?spent billions or hundreds of millions...the whole VE program including plant upgrade, VE R & D (swb/lwb sedans) came to just over $1.3 Billion didn't it?

[EddieVE06]

Well thanks for the clarification. Sunday will be interesting, lets hope each manufacturer keeps each other on their toes coz the people who benefit from it are us.

[gmeup]

spent billions or hundreds of millions...the whole VE program including plant upgrade, VE R & D (swb/lwb sedans) came to just over $1.3 Billion didn't it?


The plant upgrade was half a billion alone and VE was over 1billion to develop.

[Smitty]

geez I opened a pandora's box
but
here's a thought ....

why don't Ford get Holden to make the Orion
cupla minor changes to the tooling, a blue badge
economies of scale etc blah blah and
also...a better built car

and who could tell :rofl:


cheers

Smitty

[Big_Valven]

geez I opened a pandora's box
but
here's a thought ....

why don't Ford get Holden to make the Orion
cupla minor changes to the tooling, a blue badge
economies of scale etc blah blah and
also...a better built car

and who could tell :rofl:


cheers

Smitty

You know what? I drove a BF ute the other day and it's ONLY saving grace was it's gearbox. It was worse in every way than my 6 year old VX. Plastics, noise, ride, handling, power, trim, body fit and finish, steering, stereo, wear and tear, queer suspension rattles, just everything. That has put me off ever considering a ford.

People who whinge about Holden's build quality need to learn to shut the f*k up because we have it good.

[someLS1]

Funny that i own a VZ and have driven one of my good mates bf utes a few times and i dont see this massive difference in build quality.. every passionate ford person i know says holden build quality is shit every holden person says ford build quality is shit... having owned both fords and holdens six of one half dozen the other for me really...

[demondan]

The fact that the new Falcon has four doors and wheels it must be a copy of the crummydore. Get serious people the new Falcon was penned over 4 years over by Simon Butterworth the man responcible for the X type Jag and many other cars on the world stage, I don't think he needs to steal holden designs, with the finishing touches put on by Scott Strong the guy responcible for the BA Falcon and the VE headlights.
Anybody who is stupid enough to think Ford copy Holden or even vice versa like my sarcastic VE headlight line then they really no nothing about car design and how long the manufacturers know pretty much exactly what there designs are going to look like many years before release. it's fine to say the Falcon looks similar in certain areas to the VE because there both large four door sedans but to say that Ford have copied Holden is just plain stupidity. Spelt out for the stups THE CAR WAS PENNED LONG BEFORE THE VE WAS EVEN RELEASED.

[teamkiwi]

The real pics and full specs are embargoed until 12 on Sunday. All of the above pics are in the public domain and do not breach the embargo all are from last year. The red ones on the first page are very recent.

What time would that be for use on this side of the ditch BadMac?

[BadMac]

What time would that be for use on this side of the ditch BadMac?


I think its released in Melborne at a "secret location" (but you aussies will correct me if I am wrong), so it would be 2:00pm in gods own. Some online sites have received their breifings and will have pic's and stories up at 12:00 (2:00pm NZ time). I am sure many people will post pics here as soon as its public (I will) so just watch this thread for pics, specs and links.

[blackxr]

geez I opened a pandora's box
but
here's a thought ....

why don't Ford get Holden to make the Orion
cupla minor changes to the tooling, a blue badge
economies of scale etc blah blah and
also...a better built car

and who could tell :rofl:


cheers

Smitty

Like the Toyota Lexcen

[Road Warrior]

Like the Toyota Lexcen


lol, burnsauce.

[shane W Z]

Like the Toyota Lexcen

Not the lexcen!! My Dad had one for work ( i think it was the VP version from memory ( i was about six at the time and my memory is like a sieve ie full of holes) and he reckons it was awful but not quite as bad as another work car he had ( a camira of all things) The Lexcen was ok i thought until the central locking went and we had to climb in and out boot (via the rear seats) not easily done when your a paraplegic i can tell you!

[NRD80Y]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/10279/all-new-2008-ford-falcon-preview/

"Ford has released a teaser image of the new 2008 Ford Falcon ahead of its official unveiling to the press this Sunday."

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2008fordfalconpeak.thumbnail.jpg

[XLR8 V8]

Poor Ford don't even have enough left in petty cash for a new chain, or a secure shed :(




:lmao:

[Danv8]

Poor Ford don't even have enough left in petty cash for a new chain, or a secure shed :(




:lmao:

Looks like the chain has been recycled from an XC falcon its already rusty.
;)

[nang3]

I'd say the new Falcon will satisfy all the "girlie men" who don't like the "tough / muscular" wheel arches on the Commodore. :p

(looks like a cross between the VE and Liberty)


you mean kinda like padding a bra or stuffin a sock in ya shorts? ROFL

[sandmanls1]

Is is still true the FPV Typhoon will have 300kw?

[Ghia351]

The plant upgrade was half a billion alone and VE was over 1billion to develop.Not quite right, the VE program includes plant....then extra for LWB models and now utes...


geez I opened a pandora's box
but
here's a thought ....

why don't Ford get Holden to make the Orion
cupla minor changes to the tooling, a blue badge
economies of scale etc blah blah and
also...a better built car

and who could tell :rofl:


cheers

Smitty
..because it would then have fat a-pillars...how are you Smitty...?

[Darkrayne]

the door lines and overall shape looks so copied from the VE shape! doesnt look like ford had to do too much except for front n back end designs...

[Clutch22]

I can't see the images on this computer (work computer, gets filtered... hooray for work computers)

I've seen two spy shots. One is real, the other is photoshopped

The photoshopped one is a red car, looks like it has the XR5 wheels, same wheel arches, lines, etc as the VE, with a black cover over the rear and the picture is taken from someones car and you can see their side mirror in the shot--it's photoshopped. Any VE owner should know that. You can even see the blurs and stuff where that cover has been photoshopped on!

The real spyshots I've seen are a Orion in a silver colour, covers over the front and back. That is the real deal. Mind you, the "real deal" looks like they've kept the exact same shape but changed the headlights and the rear lights. And give it a slightly more downward facing nose.

Ford just didn't have the funds in the bank to spend as much money on the new car as Holden was willing to invest. Expect an astonishingly familiar Falcon to be released on Sunday. I'm not going to be holding my breath for anything but minor body changes and interior changes, and probably some more fancy features upgraded into it.

Mind you, the FPV's are going to challenge the current HSV's... until the LS3 comes out and steps ahead of Ford... AGAIN.

Ford needed to come up with something spectacular, breath-taking. It couldn't be just a competitor to the VE. It needed to leave the VE in the dust and leave the guys at Holden scratching their heads. They've failed to do it. It's going to be a dismal few years in the Ford factory.

[Freaky]

Is is still true the FPV Typhoon will have 300kw?

lol. many would say the existing BF has 300kw+ based on the figures of many stock ones that have been dynoed. FPV are understating them to keep the V8 owners happy.

But yes, its rumoured the new one will have 300 - 310kw.

There are also rumors of the new one running mid 4's for the 0-100km/h. Personally I don't beleive this. Time will tell.

FPV's figures wont be released with the launch, as they are not due in showrooms until July

[Clutch22]

There are also rumors of the new one running mid 4's for the 0-100km/h. Personally I don't beleive this. Time will tell.



No chance of that happening. The Maloo which is much lighter than the sedan has figures saying 4.9. Mid 4's would require at LEAST 325kw for a family sized car like the Falcon or Commodore.

Mind you the LS3 will be 320-325 so we'll see what that comes up with ;-)

[McobraR]

I can't see the images on this computer (work computer, gets filtered... hooray for work computers)

I've seen two spy shots. One is real, the other is photoshopped

The photoshopped one is a red car, looks like it has the XR5 wheels, same wheel arches, lines, etc as the VE, with a black cover over the rear and the picture is taken from someones car and you can see their side mirror in the shot--it's photoshopped. Any VE owner should know that. You can even see the blurs and stuff where that cover has been photoshopped on!

The real spyshots I've seen are a Orion in a silver colour, covers over the front and back. That is the real deal. Mind you, the "real deal" looks like they've kept the exact same shape but changed the headlights and the rear lights. And give it a slightly more downward facing nose.

Ford just didn't have the funds in the bank to spend as much money on the new car as Holden was willing to invest. Expect an astonishingly familiar Falcon to be released on Sunday. I'm not going to be holding my breath for anything but minor body changes and interior changes, and probably some more fancy features upgraded into it.

Mind you, the FPV's are going to challenge the current HSV's... until the LS3 comes out and steps ahead of Ford... AGAIN.

Ford needed to come up with something spectacular, breath-taking. It couldn't be just a competitor to the VE. It needed to leave the VE in the dust and leave the guys at Holden scratching their heads. They've failed to do it. It's going to be a dismal few years in the Ford factory.

I say just wait till it is released. From what has been floating around, Ford supposedly spent somewhere around 500-800mil for Orion which is mroe than enough considering the amount they spent on the BA/BF upgrade including the zf gearbox, more than what holden spent on vy-vz upgrade, matter of fact, they spent more than Holden in the AU upgrade, and i believe the one before that so saying that a company doesn't spend much doesnt necessarily mean it won't produce sales or a good car for that matter, and considering the fact that the current falcon lineup is still pretty impressive (from a driving enthusiasts point of view) another 500-800mil to an already good platform is heaps. Ford didnt have to upgrade their plant as much as Holden so that makes that estimate even more impressive. Personally, the VE HAS raised the bar quite a bit, will be interesting whether the Orion can match or better it. Let's just hope the car sells so that Ford doesnt end up like mitsubishi.
btw: someone from FF has stated the I6 WILL have 210kw and 420nm. If this is true, what a good way to farewell the I6.

[EfiJy]

not as accurate as this:

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/2008/2008-ford-falcon-orion-2/

:eyes:google

[BadMac]

From a member called the Judge on AFF. Apparently somebody broke the embargo.


I can tell you THAT the Orion will be 210 kw's. It will have 420 Nm of torque.

stability control standard, a refined one of previous versions, less inhibitive? 5 speed standard, sounds way better than holdens. Power delivery has been VASTLY improved. Expect less wastage/scavenging to come from the engine/driveline/electronics/etc. That means more of the 210kw's is at the wheels or something + fuel savings. Revs sit lower at cruising because of something dad said. The transmission helps he said, but said that there seemed to be a huge emphasis on fuel saving. Looks like this thing is the goods. Handles better again than bf, less body roll, more sureness. There's heaps more but I dont know it. And sports mode he said is the next big change. Its more "overt" he said. So I guess that means its more punchy and powerful. Seems that he figured ford figured when people go over to sports mode they want the entire engine behind them. So dont expect to keep any kind of economy in sports mode. Its more aggressive. I guess this ties into their whole "low fuel comsumption doesnt effect sales, but its nice to brag about and reflects on other aspects of a car." So they made it less hungry in normal mode but more fierce in performance.

[Falcon Freak]

The Orion Falcon (sedan and ute only as there are no wagon or LWB models) will be unveiled at the Melbourne Motorshow on the 28th Feb 2008. Then we will see which of the above pictures were correct.

Pity Holden will steal the limelight again with the release of the 7 litre V8.

FF

[lv619]

Try this Sunday for the official release...

[Lionking]

Yep officially unveiled this Sunday the 17th, way before the MMS

[VIPER6]

looks like a mondeo


+1 :D

Just longer.

[ringram]

Looks like an unoriginal turd.
They might as well file for bankruptcy now.

Jag/Fords new XF at least looks the part.

[seangell]

I can't see the images on this computer (work computer, gets filtered... hooray for work computers)

I've seen two spy shots. One is real, the other is photoshopped

The photoshopped one is a red car, looks like it has the XR5 wheels, same wheel arches, lines, etc as the VE, with a black cover over the rear and the picture is taken from someones car and you can see their side mirror in the shot--it's photoshopped. Any VE owner should know that. You can even see the blurs and stuff where that cover has been photoshopped on!


The red one is not photoshopped, just a low res camera phone pic.
** The first pic on page 1 gives it away, Check the bonnet of the camera car, see a reflection? zoom in on that reflection and you can clearly see the red car at a more side on angle (as it would be on the bonnet) and only the mid section is red, with a darker (i.e black) front and rear.
AND
** The Second and Third pic show it well, the Mid section of the car has a larger radius curve , i.e its seemingly strectched out compared to the VE.
** The wheels are definately the focus/mondeo XR5 design, with black tape cris-crossed over the rim.

I had to double take (10 times.. so that would be a 20 take?) and even when the VE commy pics were posted for comparison i was almost sure it was a commy, but the mid section just didnt have the whole VE feel about it.

In conclusion.. Red = Orion = Crap (yeah ok, i dont know its crap.. but im a holden man... so everything is crap no matter what!)


Simon.
-------
If you have $5 and Chuck Norris has $5, Chuck Norris has more money then you!

[chevypower]

the bottom of the windows needs to be moved higher to make a continual line from the hood to the boot, not only would it look smoother and sportier, it would look more masculine, and not like a current Falcon with Mondeo bits.

[McobraR]

looks like a mondeo


+1 :D

Just longer.

Just like the VE looks like a pumped up astra? :rofl:

[PBoB]

I think it looks pretty good and I can't wait for the real things to arrive in showrooms, but I tend to agree with chevypower on the window line thing.

[Clutch22]

I've said it before

Ford needed something to crush the VE into the ground. They couldn't afford to just "compete" with the Commodore. They didn't deliver and that will be their downfall.

[McobraR]

I've said it before

Ford needed something to crush the VE into the ground. They couldn't afford to just "compete" with the Commodore. They didn't deliver and that will be their downfall.

I'll have to disagree with you there mate. From BA to BF, the Ford was easily ahead of the commodore in dynamics, engine choices, ride compliancy etc (though a few would have to disagree), especially with the amount of awards given to it, (family car of the year 2-3 years in a row wasn't it?). Yet did it sell as much as the commodore? no! Holden has a VERY good marketing department, and if you go to FF everyone there are saying Ford should get the Holden marketting team because they admit that Ford's one SUCK, also alot have admitted Ford salesmen are a**holes and the service department is sh*t as well! These things are the ones that will bring Ford down, whether or not its a superior car.

[Fnomna]

Mondeo
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/ford_mondeo_concept_sedan_official1.jpg

'Orion'
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/jdesign/08Falcon25.jpg

[PBoB]

Are you sure the bottom photo actually IS an Orion? Because the similarities are almost too much for it to be a different car. I'd be half inclined to think that both photos are Mondeos.

[mustanger]

I think it looks allright :thumbsup: Time will tell I suppose :toetap:

[Fnomna]

The 'Orion' is the same photo, just photoshopped (and mirrored to try and make it look like it's not the same photo!)

[demondan]

Move along nothing to see here, that picture is a photoshopped mondeo that has been floating around for nearly a year now and looks nothing like the new Falcon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The door crease doesn't even run the right way.

[Marco]

The white pic posted above looks better already, I particularly like that 'slash' line at the bottom of the doors there.

Specs posted look good too...will this encourage Holden to finally put at least a 5 speed auto in all Commodores?

[CharlieDontSurf]

Wonder if holden will take the easy route with putting a 5 speed in the omega and berlina and just shove the 195kw V6 in with it. ala the manual utes getting the HO HFV6. There would be no development costs at all and the difference between the cost to manufacture the engines would be SFA.

Also gives the base car an decent powe hike and leaves room for the direct injection motor fto slot into the calais/sv6 and LWB
Any thoughts??

[BadMac]

Another new pic (From AFF by XR06).

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/IMG_0001t.jpg

[calaisrat]

Wonder if holden will take the easy route with putting a 5 speed in the omega and berlina and just shove the 195kw V6 in with it. ala the manual utes getting the HO HFV6. There would be no development costs at all and the difference between the cost to manufacture the engines would be SFA.

Also gives the base car an decent powe hike and leaves room for the direct injection motor fto slot into the calais/sv6 and LWB
Any thoughts??

Read my mind haha
I think they will release the DI into all of the commodores just for the fuel saving though.
The SV6 and calais will get a higher state of tune and will have a 6 speed auto (the 5 speed is not strong enough to take any more torque).
The 195 still uses more fuel than omega and I think thats why they would avoid using it in the omega and berlina.
Holden wont bother with a power war with ford (they never do with the 6) they will just go for all out economy.
I have no idea when this will happen but with the falcon release only days off it will have to be in the near future.

[korrupt]

Looks like the CGI shots were right on with the headlights. A pillar is the same as VE, is there some sort of safety reason for moving the join to there?

[Fnomna]

A pillar is less noticeable than the C pillar previously used.

Looks like the Falcon will look quite a bit newer than the VE. VE front looks fairly old already with the plain headlights (give us the Torana ones, please!). The next Commodore update should be one to look forward too - and must bring newer styling.

[McobraR]

Looking damn hott even with the camo.

[OLDYELLA65]

Another new pic (From AFF by XR06).

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/IMG_0001t.jpg

Parkside Rise Cragieburn.....Quite alot of Ford People living here and regulary thier entrusted specials here!!!!

[EddieVE06]

At least it seems to have a normal stance from factory height unlike the stock VE. I hope Holden fix that 4wd look

[falcom]

A pillar is less noticeable than the C pillar previously used.

Looks like the Falcon will look quite a bit newer than the VE. VE front looks fairly old already with the plain headlights (give us the Torana ones, please!). The next Commodore update should be one to look forward too - and must bring newer styling.

I agree totally.Holden have to"modernise" the front end with the VF.

[HSVMAN]

I agree totally.Holden have to"modernise" the front end with the VF.

They definately will. In their infinate wisdom, they kept the front looking somewhat VZish so as not to differentiate too much from the carry-over Ute and Wagon models. Next look as waaaay better - very Lexus IS250 look in the front

[falcom]

They definately will. In their infinate wisdom, they kept the front looking somewhat VZish so as not to differentiate too much from the carry-over Ute and Wagon models. Next look as waaaay better - very Lexus IS250 look in the front

HSVMAN have you seen the VF

[HSVMAN]

HSVMAN have you seen the VF

No, but I have been told on very good authority from a very reliable source (that I cannot divulge) ...... but I was in a very close relationship with them until late last year...
Its an improvement of the Torana concept frontal look apparently..

[Metal]

No, but I have been told on very good authority from a very reliable source (that I cannot divulge) ...... but I was in a very close relationship with them until late last year...
Its an improvement of the Torana concept frontal look apparently..



Any idea when? or is this what the motor show in Feb will reveal?

[HSVMAN]

Any idea when? or is this what the motor show in Feb will reveal?

VF and I'm not sure when that will be yet because model changes have been stretched out longer. I imagine it will be late 2008 or 2009 now that the Wagon is just being released in the same style...

I dont think there will be any more series I and II either but rather upgrades done along the way as experienced so far with VE

[Road Warrior]

It makes sense that the VF will have the same frontal look as the Torana, that general styling seems to be the direction of all the new cars coming out of Opel anyway.

And I don't think you'll see it this year seeing as the wagon and ute have just been revealed with the same VE front.

[Funky_Munky]

I notice a lot of people say it looks like a VE. I have to say I have to disagree with that. To me, it looks more like a Honda Accord Coupe (the front end).

http://www.rickyuen.com/wp-content/uploads/honda-accord-coupe.jpg

http://car-news.roadfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/honda-accord-coupe-concept.jpg

Maybe even the Ford Mondeo.

http://www.casanovacars.com/2007/03/15/Ford%20Mondeo%2020081.jpg

[EfiJy]

No, but I have been told on very good authority from a very reliable source (that I cannot divulge) ...... but I was in a very close relationship with them until late last year...


woz it the bosses wife?

orion will b good fokes!

[payaya]

damn guys! Whats with some of your stating the Orion looks like the VE??? How different can the side of a car with cammo on it look? Seriously guys most of the side of modern aussies cars look the same. Its obviously shaped in that way due to reasons! Do you want the new Orion to look like a box?

Everyone knows how much of a shock the BA was when it was released hopefully its the same in the Orion. If you look at the leaked pictures it looks nothing like a Commodore, so stop whinging! To me the Ford looks fresh and has pushed the limits in styling and its worked.

The me the side of the Orion looks like a BA, VE, VT, and AU. Who gives a crap what the side looks like thats why they have covered the front and rear only which counts for a lot more.

[quantanemo]

lol too right, im looking forward to all the comments 'it looks like a VE - ford coppied the VE'....

There is a reason for this - its called modern car styling and progress.
Im sure the Orion style was signed off way before the release of the VE.

From the spy shots it looks the goods, 'credible' leaks indicate that it is a vast improvement on BF. Reasonable expectation is that it will surpass the VE in many factors. That is only natural.

From rumours and 'credible sources' it seems FPV have decided to unleash the F6 and make a big deal about it being its official performance flagship as its pretty obvious that without a blower the 5.4 BOSS cant be brought up to the game.

I reckon the F6 will be a absolute weapon and prolly take the game way past HSV.

Obviously in the future Holden/HSV will again move the game ahead - and so the process continues for every reiteration of both the Falcon and Commodore.

All this can only be a good thing as it equals progress on both sides. Better cars for everyone whether or not you are partial to Ford or Holden can only be a good thing!!!

What a privileged world we all live in!!!

[Road Warrior]

From rumours and 'credible sources' it seems FPV have decided to unleash the F6 and make a big deal about it being its official performance flagship as its pretty obvious that without a blower the 5.4 BOSS cant be brought up to the game.


I can understand FPV not wanting to do much more with the 5.4 because from 2010 it will be replaced with the alloy block Hurricane/BOSS, which apparently is going to be a real nutbuster.

Also, I'm curious about this "F6-HO" acronym that has been bandied about a bit...

[EfiJy]

damn guys! Whats with some of your stating the Orion looks like the VE??? How different can the side of a car with cammo on it look? Seriously guys most of the side of modern aussies cars look the same. Its obviously shaped in that way due to reasons! Do you want the new Orion to look like a box?

Everyone knows how much of a shock the BA was when it was released hopefully its the same in the Orion. If you look at the leaked pictures it looks nothing like a Commodore, so stop whinging! To me the Ford looks fresh and has pushed the limits in styling and its worked.

The me the side of the Orion looks like a BA, VE, VT, and AU. Who gives a crap what the side looks like thats why they have covered the front and rear only which counts for a lot more.

im sick of peeps winging about wingers :rofl:

[HSVMAN]

lol too right, im looking forward to all the comments 'it looks like a VE - ford coppied the VE'....


From the spy shots it looks the goods, 'credible' leaks indicate that it is a vast improvement on BF. Reasonable expectation is that it will surpass the VE in many factors. That is only natural.

From rumours and 'credible sources' it seems FPV have decided to unleash the F6 and make a big deal about it being its official performance flagship as its pretty obvious that without a blower the 5.4 BOSS cant be brought up to the game.

I reckon the F6 will be a absolute weapon and prolly take the game way past HSV.

Obviously in the future Holden/HSV will again move the game ahead - and so the process continues for every reiteration of both the Falcon and Commodore.

All this can only be a good thing as it equals progress on both sides. Better cars for everyone whether or not you are partial to Ford or Holden can only be a good thing!!!

What a privileged world we all live in!!!

Re looks, you cant tell anything of its looks until its revealed so I would reserve judgement. However if it looks like Mondeo it will do well but I wouldnt go as far as "surpass". They can only do so much with a reskin.

If you are talking FPV, they have never taken the game past HSV but I welcome the moment because it will really kick HSV into big power mode :) so yes it would be a good thing

[greenfoam]

This was on the Ford forums about the Motor show, pretty funny

"Im having horrible horrible thoughts that the hosts for the unvealing will sleep in. and when the cover is removed the lights will be flickering, the smoke machines will stutter n' cough whilst the new torana thing will be showcased to booming base with lazer shows and bikini girls sprawled all over it."

[cwhast]

Found these on the Wheels website:
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/REDLINE:+290kW+XR8.html
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/wheelsed.nsf/e4708d9b1feab2d7ca256c59000e7e17/f373b404eb2ca646ca2573ef0080a24b/Body/0.84?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Trio+of+surprises+in+store+at+Falcon+reveal.html
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/wheelsed.nsf/e4708d9b1feab2d7ca256c59000e7e17/0f43888c1b411ac2ca2573f0000a55be/Body/0.84?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/wheelsed.nsf/e4708d9b1feab2d7ca256c59000e7e17/f373b404eb2ca646ca2573ef0080a24b/Body/6.430A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

I don't like the GT-P though... it looks friggin emo.
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/wheelsed.nsf/6f41c1d13a3b1f07ca256c2700808185/caa71a9bb133a0cdca25731700180491/Body/0.84?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

[Ghia351]

They can only do so much with a reskin.
You're right with the reskin comment however it's not just a reskin. The a-pillar profile has been altered, rear b-pillar to c-pillar radius increased, ie it doesn't drop off as quickly as the BA or VE giving a wider rear opening. All of this requires structural changes to the bodyshell of the car. Even when comments are made that the floor pan is carried over some (not you HSVMAN!) think that the floor pan is a single sheet pressing, it's actually modular so things like passenger footwells, boot floor, etc can be changed and dropped in to form the overall final platform. I guess by midday tomorrow we all get a better look.

[Vulture]

l
I reckon the F6 will be a absolute weapon and prolly take the game way past HSV.



Mmm, I doubt that somehow with the LS3 in the wings...

[macca_779]

Mmm, I doubt that somehow with the LS3 in the wings...

If Ford do go all out on the T Models I'd be quietly confident that they will give HSV a big hurry up. With the XR8 punching out more power than an SS and looking as tuff as they will.. There is no doubt they deserve to take a large chunk of the market share.

[VH-COM]

In all fairness one can only wait until seeing it in the flesh before making comment. VE looked so much better in 3d view when it was released. Though I do have a bitch about it being called "the all new falcon" . Can't remember which rag I seen it quoted in as "all new" but it was probably an over zealous motoring editor.

[payaya]

If the F6 is pumping out 300kws, the torque would be around 600NM???


In all fairness one can only wait until seeing it in the flesh before making comment. VE looked so much better in 3d view when it was released. Though I do have a bitch about it being called "the all new falcon" . Can't remember which rag I seen it quoted in as "all new" but it was probably an over zealous motoring editor.

The VE isnt all new either.

[lowriding]

i'm sure it will follow the Mondeo "kinetic" look ,it'd be locked in direction from head office.The Mondeo hasnt set the sales chart on fire though, I think i have seen one on the road to date despite heavy promotion,a current trend for mid size cars and an early prediction it would replace the Falcon .

[EfiJy]

If the F6 is pumping out 300kws, the torque would be around 600NM???



The VE isnt all new either.

say wot? naa its 2 years old :rofl:

[payaya]

say wot? naa its 2 years old :rofl:

was not! sorry.

[BadMac]

If the F6 is pumping out 300kws, the torque would be around 600NM???



The VE isnt all new either.

Get off that horse, its dead.

And I'm sure the F6 will have 300Kw's, in fact by all accounts BF did as well, its just the badge that understated it. It will be dissapointing if FPV release a 300Kw one which goes the same of the previous "270" one. Also it won't be 600NM, the ZF is only rated to 600NM and FPV would want more headroom than that. I do think it will have better torque than BF/GT/HSV (maybe 560NM), but only till next week with LS3 to launch.

[payaya]

but some other cars using the ZF produce more than 600NM?

[DesFlurane]

but some other cars using the ZF produce more than 600NM?


There are 2 ZF 6 speed boxes.
Ford use the one that's rated to 600Nm, the other used by the Euros is rated higher, 700Nm I think.

First pic is up on AFF, courtesy of ngn351
Australian Ford Forums - Got the first pic !!! (http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11210005)

[BFXR6]

And its a G Series!!!!!!

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11210005&page=2&pp=25

Beat me to it

[BadMac]

but some other cars using the ZF produce more than 600NM?


The box seams to have good headroom, but a manfacturer won't go there.
Posted here rather than having to link. Its a cell phone pic of a glossy.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/4451270eec.jpg

[Danv8]

The box seams to have good headroom, but a manfacturer won't go there.
Posted here rather than having to link. Its a cell phone pic of a glossy.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/4451270eec.jpg


It has a Mondeo'ish and a bit of Aston Martin DNA in it by the looks of it.
It looks OK so far but have to see better pics and better yet in the bare metal flesh.

[lowriding]

is that a G series as in similar to Holden V series or is it a BG Falcon ??

[dadem0n]

Certainly makes the VE look old and soft doesn't it? :eek:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/gseries.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/vecalais.jpg


I can't wait for Holden to move on from the ugly VE abomination :lmao:

[Danv8]

Certainly makes the VE look old and soft doesn't it? :eek:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/gseries.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/vecalais.jpg


I can't wait for Holden to move on from the ugly VE abomination :lmao:


Careful dont upset the VE owners.:p
I bet the new Falcon wagon wouldnt woo me over unless they start making some interesting ones and a complete rear end styling change.

[BadMac]

Certainly makes the VE look old and soft doesn't it? :eek:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/gseries.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/inline6_album/vecalais.jpg


I can't wait for Holden to move on from the ugly VE abomination :lmao:

The photo makes the G series look like something from the 70's. Ford really need to learn how to hold a camera and point it. IF the real thing looks like that pic, then watch out Ford. Remember though VE looked mea in many spy shots (a few looked the goods) but in real life its still agreat shape (Calais V in black is probably VE at its best, although Evoke Senator is stunning also).

[Souljah]

I just jumped on the ford aus website and there is nothing and i mean nothing mentioned about the release of orion. Surely if your releasing a new model you would want to hype it up to the average punter as much as possible?

[dadem0n]

Careful dont upset the VE owners.:p
I bet the new Falcon wagon wouldnt woo me over unless they start making some interesting ones and a complete rear end styling change.

Ive never hidden my dislike of VEs :p

Ive owned my VYs and VZs but then... I just have no interest in VE whatsover. Sorry. The bonus of L92 heads couldn't make me put up with the rest of the car!

Ive played with all manner of VT-VZ so I guess I just have to sit on my hands until the Torana comes out I suppose :bawl:

[nikola]

I' am suprised nobody has posted these pictures yet. They look pretty legitimate.

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050a.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050b.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050c.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050d.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050e.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050f.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050g.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050h.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050i.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050j.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050k.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050l.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050m.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050n.jpg

[ryno]

You would think they would want to hype it up, but if they hype it up too far from the launch then no one willwant to buy the stock of the current model and they will be forced to run them out the door ultra cheap. Its just a balancing act to make sure the timing is right.

The Falcon looks alright from the pics that we have seen. Is it better than the VE - don't think so although I am probably biased.

[Danv8]

I' am suprised nobody has posted these pictures yet.

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050a.jpg

Gee is that it?
I would walk past that and not even notice it. :rofl:


Ive never hidden my dislike of VEs :p

Ive owned my VYs and VZs but then... I just have no interest in VE whatsover. Sorry. The bonus of L92 heads couldn't make me put up with the rest of the car!

Ive played with all manner of VT-VZ so I guess I just have to sit on my hands until the Torana comes out I suppose :bawl:

I personally cant wait to trade my VY2 Calais for a new SSV wagon sure I like my VY2 Calais and its been a great car but I think I have always had a hidden fetish for good looking wagons. :)

[HJCoupe]

If the next gen Fords become BG's....will the ads be using "Staying Alive" for their background music?

Ah Ah Ah Ah staying alive,staying alive.

It doesn't have the flares like Bee Gees did in saturday night fever:smilesandbanana:

I've seen Holden's secret weapon for the Melbourne Motor Show
and all i can say is.......Is it 1998 again????? KAPOW

[McobraR]

the ute looks AWESOME!!!!!!!

[nikola]

Gee is that it?
I would walk past that and not even notice it. :rofl:



I agree. A whole new car and it looks pretty much the same as the old one. Well done Ford. :weirdo:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110667a.jpg

[ryno]

now that I have seen the pics that Nikola posted.

The SSV in my opinion has a much more attitude and road presence than the XR8. THe XR8 is nice, but I spose that is what I like about the current commodore.

[McobraR]

I agree. A whole new car and it looks pretty much the same as the old one. Well done Ford. :weirdo:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110667a.jpg

After seeing that comparison, the BG? does look more integrated. Will look different compared to the BF when on the road and in teh flesh :D. Looks hott

[Fnomna]

Oh no - Ford have done a BF Series III. When's the all new Falcon coming out?

It looks very BF from the front. VZ and VE have such a different shape.
Interior looks good so far though.

[Aus8]

Looks great! Cant wait to see them on the road. I agree the ute looks mean as!

[theVman]

I think the fact that it still 'looks' like a falcon is good -it has something that has always worked for Holden and something that ford has to a degree lacked in new model launches... The AU is a classic example where they just tried too hard (it would seem) and produced something that lacked a link back to the previous shape. Mind you it was an awful deisgn to start with. If your on a good thing why change it - just enhance it further - like what Mazda is doing with the 6.

Holden did a similar thing with the VZ's in introducing the next generation styling cues as Ford obviously did with the BAii.

I think I will need to see it in the flesh, the fact they are updating the utes at the same time is interesting, mind you the butchered tub doesnt really gel with me, expecially around the wheel arches but I think its more a case of a crappy angle.

One thing Holden generally gets right is wheel selection, its one major thing that Ford, Toyota and Mistubishi always get weak with. Mine you the BA wasnt bad. They could have at least introduced new hub cap styling on the base model to seperate it from the outgoing model. I'm also not a huge fan of the XR/Mondeo wheels but I know many people will be.

[SCiFiRE]

looks awesome. I cant wait to see them on the road,
(and i REALLY cant wait to see how holden counters with VF)

I think Holdens CG department do a better job, These photos seem more 'obvious' than the Holden ones, I cant pick why though

[XLR8 V8]

The trayback XR6 ute looks good ... not a fan or the rest of the shots at all ... especially the side profile shot of the XR8

What's with the placement of the aerial on the utes though? Looks like a real afterthought and detracts from otherwise smooth lines of the front end

[Fnomna]

I' am suprised nobody has posted these pictures yet. They look pretty legitimate.

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050a.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050b.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050c.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050d.jpg


If you save the first 2 of these pics, then flip between them, all parts of each car are in exactly the same spot - suggesting these are computer generated images. Like the ones Holden did.
Probably only 4 of all those images are real - mainly the outdoor shots.

Only 17in wheels on the XR6. Are SV6 ones 18s?

[BossV8]

I love the XR6 tray

Get rid of the CGI's...the real pics make it look a heap better

Should be a heap more shots come 12pm when "embargo" is lifted...lol bit late for that

[Covert]

It looks like Ford has finally fixed the roofline and given us a larger door opening. The current model is a real pain to get in and out of in a hurry without smacking your head on the pillar on the way out.

Also looks like the doors fit inside the door opening now instead of closing on the outside of the opening (if that makes sense).

[Danv8]

The trayback XR6 ute looks good ... not a fan or the rest of the shots at all ... especially the side profile shot of the XR8

What's with the placement of the aerial on the utes though? Looks like a real afterthought and detracts from otherwise smooth lines of the front end

I think the trayback model is the best looking of the range imho.
I can see that model going to be very popular for the tradies.

[McobraR]

pics taken from comment by 'kocho' from AFF

persoanlly, i reckon the BG? looks newer even tho it looks similar to the current BF LOL

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/07/17/omega002L_m.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/152181/1110050a.jpg

[mitchtj]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050h.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/gm-to-build-new-car-based-on-zeta-platform/1006352+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/holden-commodore-ssv.jpg

The VE looks more muscular and complete in my opinion. Particularly the well proportioned front end. The falcon lacks definition in certain areas and doesn't flow as well, its not a ugly car by any means, but the Holden's ground up design and much larger budget shows.

[XLR8 V8]

pics taken from comment by 'kocho' from AFF

persoanlly, i reckon the BG? looks newer even tho it looks similar to the current BF LOL


Of course it looks "newer". The Ford was released today, the VE was released early last year. If it didn't look newer we'd have to wonder what the hell Ford have been doing for the last 12 months.
Though I'm :lmao: at some of the AFF/CarAdvice comments that the "all new" ford blows the VE away .... it's not THAT different to the car it's replacing.
Based on the rather bland looks of the XR range compared to the base model, I think the FPV sales are going to increase substantially for this model, just like the E Series HSVs have had good sales for the VE range

[McobraR]

Of course it looks "newer". The Ford was released today, the VE was released early last year. If it didn't look newer we'd have to wonder what the hell Ford have been doing for the last 12 months.
Though I'm :lmao: at some of the AFF/CarAdvice comments that the "all new" ford blows the VE away .... it's not THAT different to the car it's replacing.
Based on the rather bland looks of the XR range compared to the base model, I think the FPV sales are going to increase substantially for this model, just like the E Series HSVs have had good sales for the VE range


yeh i know, just referring to past comments saying it looks like a base model BF as well lol

[Fnomna]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050h.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/gm-to-build-new-car-based-on-zeta-platform/1006352+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/holden-commodore-ssv.jpg


Wow. Those 2 shots show how much stronger the VE sports range looks. The XR looks awkward and tacky in the front half. In the rear there is still a hint of AU. Overall looks too round, with bits sticking out. Hard to explain.
I think the short front overhang of the VE makes the SS-V look great in comparison.

[Abacus]

persoanlly, i reckon the BG? looks newer even tho it looks similar to the current BF LOL
The model designation is FG.

[lowriding]

hmm ,i just don't know .Will it be a better car ? undoubtedly esp as it has fixed that awful Au/BA shape i.e the roofline . The trayback ute looks good ,the base model looks tidier compared to the ancient BF,the bonnet bulge on the XR8 just looks silly . I am actually surprised how similar to the outgoing model it looks .It's cleaner imo but looks like a rework ,the interior is incredibly unchanged.:confused: What happened to all the FF spruikers on this site proclaiming an amazing fresh shape to blow the VE and allcomers away?? Will this lot turn around the fortunes of Ford ?

[McobraR]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050h.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/gm-to-build-new-car-based-on-zeta-platform/1006352+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/holden-commodore-ssv.jpg

The VE looks more muscular and complete in my opinion. Particularly the well proportioned front end. The falcon lacks definition in certain areas and doesn't flow as well, its not a ugly car by any means, but the Holden's ground up design and much larger budget shows.


great comparo! The VE sport series (my fav) is gonna hold up well. That XR shot, i think, doesnt do it any justice, bad angle imo

[Ghosn]

The VE looks more muscular and complete in my opinion. Particularly the well proportioned front end. The falcon lacks definition in certain areas and doesn't flow as well, its not a ugly car by any means, but the Holden's ground up design and much larger budget shows.

Bit Unfair comparing those two pics where u have a lowered VE and a much better angle. I'll reserve my judgement until i see the cars in the flesh. But going by these pics so far, I think the new Falcon looks very promising.

[COSMOS]

The model designation is FG.

I can see the derisive acronyms already.... f*****g G*y... and on and on. I think its fresh but I dont know if its enough to save big sedan manufacturing in Aus.

I will do the wife test later - see if the average woman in the street thinks its got what it takes. We can choose a fairmont (or equal) or berlina for next coy car in 12mths so it will be interesting to see which way she goes.

[BossV8]

great comparo! The VE sport series (my fav) is gonna hold up well. That XR shot, i think, doesnt do it any justice, bad angle imo

The VE shot where the camera angle is pointing down will always look better than angling up...it makes the falcon look higher that what it is and you cant see the lines as well

They seem to do that for all the promo shots, and they look crap

[mitchtj]

The VE shot where the camera angle is pointing down will always look better than angling up...it makes the falcon look higher that what it is and you cant see the lines as well

They seem to do that for all the promo shots, and they look crap
there is no pictures of the falcon from above yet


Bit Unfair comparing those two pics where u have a lowered VE and a much better angle. I'll reserve my judgement until i see the cars in the flesh. But going by these pics so far, I think the new Falcon looks very promising.
that VE isn't lowered

[lowriding]

Bit Unfair comparing those two pics where u have a lowered VE and a much better angle. I'll reserve my judgement until i see the cars in the flesh. But going by these pics so far, I think the new Falcon looks very promising.

??? very fair and normal comparison i would have thought.they are both factory promo shots , shot from what the teams would consider their best angles. :confused: for example the Falcon looks better in that photo than it does in the side on shot .

[geary]

Proportionally I'm not the biggest fan of the new Falcon. The VE on the other hand has, still, some of the tightest scales going and will always be a classic shape. Even in twenty years.

In terms of detail, the Falcon has come a long way. The light recesses in XR models have been changed (we had strong mail that they would bulge above the intakes, as seen in various CGIs) and it looks the goods. I'm particularly a fan of the side scallop, the rounded front skirt (a nicer shape overall and much more modern and Euro) as well as the headlights.

Re: that pic comparison. The Falcon is always going to stutter with such a short sill and door handles placed below the swage line. For that reason, VE is king and the Falcon looks a bloody good car. I think it'll be a gem in the flesh.

[VY18s]

It does look good, but doesn't make the VE look outdated like I thought it was going to do.

They're both about the same now. Can't wait until we see performance figures.

I wonder if the XR8, and GT will finally be able to beat the SS now? lol

[mitchtj]

It does look good, but doesn't make the VE look outdated like I thought it was going to do.

They're both about the same now. Can't wait until we see performance figures.

I wonder if the XR8, and GT will finally be able to beat the SS now? lol

If anything this will finally make Holden bring the guns out firing, the VE was a minor power bump

The Pontiac G8 is confirmed to be getting a 430hp LS3 in 2009, so that pretty much means we will be getting it in the HSV's too.

320kw stock HSV's ftw.

[Abacus]

Full details here:

http://performanceford.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1454&Itemid=38

[Goggles]

details here as well:

www.drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au)

the FG Falcon!!

[DesFlurane]

XR8=290kw
XR6T=270kw

[Ghosn]

there is no pictures of the falcon from above yet


that VE isn't lowered

Yeh, cos they leave the factory that low eh? /Sigh

http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/gm-to-build-new-car-based-on-zeta-platform/1006352+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/holden-commodore-ssv.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cornsa/mypic44.jpg

[seedyrom]

I go riding with a guy who is a dealer principal for Ford.

He went down to Melbourne this weekend for the dealer viewing and launch .... yet fleet buyers actually got to see them before their own dealers.
(He was a bit peeved about this).

Ford do some strange things ... a nd especially bad things for the guys trying to sell them. (There's more stories to tell, but this isn't the place)

[Abacus]

I can see the derisive acronyms already.... f*****g G*y... and on and on. I think its fresh but I dont know if its enough to save big sedan manufacturing in Aus.

It's a nod to the Fairmont Ghia name, which has been dropped.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48319&vf=28&MiniSiteID=8

[F6 Hoon]

195kw and 391nm torque from the NA 6. Interesting though is the power is rated on 91 octane fuel, where traditionally Ford have based their power on 95 oct fuel.

22kg weight reduction of the BF. 'bout time these cars started to lose weight.

[BadMac]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050k.jpg

Oh no, they got that rear door wrong. I hate those small bottoms (I hated it AU, still hated it in BA/BF and even though they have now extended the centre back for a larger opening I still don't like the visual lines. The front wheels are in about the right place, but the rear ones could have gone back a few inches to have a more 4 corners look and it would have allowed the bottom of the door to be fixed.

And I agree with Geary, the VE (sports) looks a more coherant design, but the Falcon front flares are much better executed (ie VE bumper stops at the flares, which makes them kind of look tacked on, whereas the Orion ones are flowed into the front bar (ahla BMW). Also I like the lines through the scollops into the rear bar.

[Danv8]

Heh LPG engine basically the same.
No LPG injection no ESP available meh!

[Ghosn]

??? very fair and normal comparison i would have thought.

Promo or not, I stand by my words.

[Fnomna]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48623&vf=28&GalleryType=2&ImageID=4&ReferringArticleID=-1

'G6E Turbo' is marked 4 times on the gauges to make sure you remember what your car is.

Steering wheel buttons a bit ugly
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48623&vf=28&GalleryType=2&ImageID=6&ReferringArticleID=-1

Overall much better interior.

No base model interior pics?

[Danv8]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48623&vf=28&GalleryType=2&ImageID=4&ReferringArticleID=-1

'G6E Turbo' is marked 4 times on the gauges to make sure you remember what your car is.

Steering wheel buttons a bit ugly
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48623&vf=28&GalleryType=2&ImageID=6&ReferringArticleID=-1

Overall much better interior.

Notice the electronic display in between the speedo and tacho looks very similar to the VE's.

[Carby650]

I like the look of it. They have done a great job and I think the interior design on the XR6T is a lot classier then what Holden have done on the SSV..But its still a Fraud... And a Fraud will never get a look in at my garage !!
cheers
Carby650

[holden6.0]

I like the look of it. They have done a great job and I think the interior design on the XR6T is a lot classier then what Holden have done on the SSV..But its still a Fraud... And a Fraud will never get a look in at my garage !!
cheers
Carby650

lol i love your ending carby that would hav been my ending too :rofl:

[Brendan24688]

The upper spec models (the old fairmonts) are lookin SO GOOD.

[lowriding]

calais

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/637/calais04jz9jp6.jpg


ford F6E

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2008/02/15/G6E-Turbo6_L_700.jpg

VE styling looks much more integrated and cohesive inside and out

[Fnomna]

The leaked FPV images were real
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/yellowtlr/P2170383.jpg
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2008/02/01/falcon_m_m.jpg
http://editorial.countrycars.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=47995
http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/08/21/21HSVTobyM_m.jpg


Official site
http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1178841241534&pagename=FOA%2FDFYPage%2FFullwidth1024&c=DFYPage

Range
http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1178838357996&pagename=Page&c=DFYPage

[M&Ms]

Wow, it's even go Launch Control!!!

The new FG Falcon turbo has a similar output to the FPV Typhoon (270kW/533Nm versus 270kW/550Nm) but improvements to electronics, driveability and the way it transmits the power to the road as well as revisions to the transmissions (including a new six-speed manual). It also has a Formula One-style launch control mode for the manual designed to improve initial acceleration, suggesting a 0-100km/h time of a little over five seconds should be achievable

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48315&pg=2&vf=0

[gmack]

Inside looks better than BF but I prefer VE. I didn't see any inside shots of low spec cars.

[holden6.0]

theyve also positioned the xr8 badge where the ss badge goes they had on lower skirt before(on previous page pic)

[mitchtj]

The interior is actually quite very nice. Doesn't look as integrated as the VE, but more high tech.

[Road Warrior]

OK that interior shot of the XR interior? Looks fkn HOT. But why drop the Fairmont Ghia name?? God they make some stupid decisions.

[McobraR]

fav shots. WOOT!

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2008/02/15/XR8_YYPG_7b_700.jpg

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2008/02/15/XR8_YYPG_1_700.jpg

[Brendan24688]

XR6T Just under 5 secs for 0-100 with launch control

[quantanemo]

If you can get to it there is a video on Wheels of the launch. BS intro with dancers/crap...bit dark aswell
Forget pictures - In the flesh is where it is!!

rapidshare.com/files/92502655/fordreveal.wmv.html

Skip to 1.30

(try link if wheels dont work)

[stig]

the wheelsmag.com.au site is very slow at the moment, there must be quiet a bit of traffic.

[Ghosn]

XR6T Just under 5 secs for 0-100 with launch control

Source? Because if it is infact the case, that will be one hell of a "bang for ur buck"


P.S. Ford Forums - Currently Active Users: 770 (511 members and 259 guests) wow!

[quantanemo]

Typhoon is in the Wheels vid that i linked to above

[X BC X]

(awakes from ls1 slumber)


looks good......... :eyes:

but....not the visually ground breaking car that i was expecting.

i wish they would have tried something fresh (ie ve front overhang)

although the face looks new, with a few hightlights here and there around the body, it still looks like a bf with a new spoiler kit to me.

it LOOKS a good car, but not a great car in LOOKS as it should have been.

just saw a post on AFF referring to the 'FG GT'.....or 'FaGGoT' as it will probably be referred to by holden crew :rofl:

[Vulture]

Boost pressure from the turbo has been almost doubled, from 0.4 bar (6 psi) with the outgoing BF Falcon to 0.7 bar (10 psi) in the FG Falcon.

I don't quite understand this, maybe someone with more technical knowledge than me can explain how boost pressure can go up so much but power and torque only show small increases?

New 6 speed box sounds good too LINK (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48639&vf=28&MiniSiteID=8)

[kice]

I wonder, do they come with Xenon's stock? They pictures do not seem to look that way.

There was lots of early talk that they would feature them.

[Aus8]

Some damn good features in this car.

Multi speed cruise control is good (can increase or decrease the cruise control by 1 km/h or 10km/h so you can easily change to the new speed limit)

With the introduction of the new Set-Point cruise control system on FG Falcon, the MFD shows cruise control status including Cruise On, Set and set Speed, while there is now also a “one touch lane change indicator”. (Could do with this on VE)

New warning functions include a driver fatigue chime which sounds at two, three and four hour intervals and a display which indicates if the driver’s door has been opened without putting the vehicle into park.

Cluster illumination is determined by the ambient light level via an ambient light sensor, independent of the headlight status – it compensates for using headlights during the daytime or travelling through a tunnel.

[Insane253]

looks damn awesome, interior looks seducing too (for an aussie car :p ) ghia's must be amazing..

[SV805]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050h.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/gm-to-build-new-car-based-on-zeta-platform/1006352+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/holden-commodore-ssv.jpg

The VE looks more muscular and complete in my opinion. Particularly the well proportioned front end. The falcon lacks definition in certain areas and doesn't flow as well, its not a ugly car by any means, but the Holden's ground up design and much larger budget shows.

If you place your hand and cover teh front of the XR8, it looks alot liek a Toyota Aurion to me. The front with the bulge just doesn't flow with the other lines.

[Aus8]

XR interior is sensational! Infact they all look good!
http://www.fordforums.com.au/pub_images/XR8b-6.jpg
http://www.fordforums.com.au/pub_images/GT-3.jpg

[quantanemo]

I think the G6E Turbo is sex on wheels...what an interior. And with a near Typhoon spec engine to boot!! Dark Agent (greyish) colour and maybe option or aftermarket on some nice 19s...wow.

Ignoring brand bias...a lot of you guys must be impressed with this car???


That comparison shot of the XR8 hardly does it any justice...theres much better angled shots out there now.

(the rear spoiler needs to be more aggressive though!!!))

[lowriding]

Some damn good features in this car.

Multi speed cruise control is good (can increase or decrease the cruise control by 1 km/h or 10km/h so you can easily change to the new speed limit)

With the introduction of the new Set-Point cruise control system on FG Falcon, the MFD shows cruise control status including Cruise On, Set and set Speed, while there is now also a “one touch lane change indicator”. (Could do with this on VE)


?? VE already has one touch lane indicator .

[Aus8]

?? VE already has one touch lane indicator .

True, sorry I was thinking just one flash of the light was what I was thinking they meant. As oppossed to going for a few flashes.

["V"]

Dont like .....
Im proud to be a Holden owner!

[Danv8]

I think the G6E Turbo is sex on wheels...what an interior. And with a near Typhoon spec engine to boot!! Dark Agent (greyish) colour and maybe option or aftermarket on some nice 19s...wow.

Ignoring brand bias...a lot of you guys must be impressed with this car???


That comparison shot of the XR8 hardly does it any justice...theres much better angled shots out there now.

(the rear spoiler needs to be more aggressive though!!!))

I am not totally impressed with it BUT they look ok and the G6E looks mighty fine in itself. I don't hate the new FG but I dont love it either so its pretty neutral really.

[falcom]

XR range front end looks more modern than Holden equivalent.

Interior looks to be of a better quality(well in the pictures,may be different in real life)

From the reports it also appears they have an advantage in the Front Suspension.

Ford have a significant advantage in all three departments on the six cylinder engine(i.e: power,torque and economy)

Lets Hope Holden hits back with the VF!!

[speedyocca]

looks more like a face lift than an all new car, but i guess thats what happens when the chassis is still based on the AU/BA platform

[quantanemo]

I am not totally impressed with it BUT they look ok and the G6E looks mighty fine in itself. I don't hate the new FG but I dont love it either so its pretty neutral really.

Well that is a fair enough comment mate. Same way I thought of the VE :)

[mitchtj]

I still prefer how the VE looks, but i'll just say, despite some of the criticism this car may get from the typical Holden v Ford fans debate, i think its a really good accomplishment for Australia as a whole. It showcases many new technologys such as launch control, and the iDrive style computer control center, and the interior looks very erganomicly well designed. I really do think this will go well and give the VE some much needed competition.

The new 270kw XR6 Turbo should own the performance market for now too. I'll be interested to see Holdens retaliation.

[quantanemo]

The new 270kw XR6 Turbo should own the performance market for now too. I'll be interested to see Holdens retaliation.

Hope the T gets launch control!!!

[lowriding]

In general i'm a little underwhelmed by it generally ,I hope does well but i'm doubting this car is the one which will arrest Fords sales or turn around it's fortunes. It has formidable opposition and it will be interesting to see how it fares with sales ,the Ford posters on here seem to like it or at least are talking it up so we'll see how she goes .

[XLR8 V8]

FPV GT looks good with the exception of that ugly sticker on the bonnet

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/xlr8v8/FPV_GT1_m_m.jpg

[Fnomna]

Base model interior not too shabby
Australian Ford Forums - View Single Post - Orion Pics & Info (http://fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=1993693&postcount=223)
http://www.fordforums.com.au/pub_images/XT-4.jpg

[Vulture]

Anymore pics of the FPV range?

[quantanemo]

Here is a good gallery with most of the cars from the launch. There are some really good ones over at AFF but you kinda have to troll through threads to get to them. Also AFF seems to have crashed lol, not loading on mine.

Has a few nice shots in it of the F6, GT and G6E Turbo (sex on wheels car imo and some of the F6 shots capture it nicely). Notice the wheel designs are BF spec...very dissapointed if new designs dont come out for the FPV range in a few months. And I dont like the Super Pursuit badging...wtfs with that

caradvice.com.au/10395/2008-ford-falcon-fg-series-gallery/

[vxleather]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050k.jpg

.


It is Absolutly discusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like a old style nissan rear and a Camry front on steriods, the front looks rediculous... Looks like a big pimple attached to the front of the car that needs squeezing...

Do not like it at all.... the ba / bf Xr8 actualy looked square and tuff, these are just down right gay......

[maxter]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050k.jpg

The front end of this "thing" reminds me of this guys nose...

http://obits.eons.com/obits/tributes/jimmy_durante/1427-2-photo.jpg

Nope, don't like it one bit...

[kart_racer]

From the spy shots I thought this was going to be a great looking car.

I really think it looks weird. It looks like they've taken the current Falcon, asianised it and haven't succeeded.

It might not be as epic as the AU, but so far from the pics I've seen, this car's lines aren't great and it's got nothing on the VE.

The FPV cars are hideous. :spew:

[Ahyeah]

That looks shithouse.

the BA/f kills it for looks, lets just hope that its just an 'artists impression', an artist on too much meth hopefully.

I wonder how the base falcon looks?

thats fords best value car, strong 6, good all-rounder, lets pray they dont wreck that too..

EDIT: I had another look at... it looks slightly craper now

[korrupt]

Be interested to see (or hear) how this stuff goes in real life :


But there's bigger news in the exhaust area, and it's a story about SAM -- the first Semi Active Muffler fitted to an Australian vehicle.

Essentially SAM is a muffler bypass valve that is operated by exhaust gas pressure. At low rpm, the spring loaded valve remains closed and the exhaust gasses pass through a series of baffles in the intermediate muffler. As exhaust gas pressure rises (around 2800rpm), the valve is opened offering an alternate path through the muffler.

According to Ford: "As a result the SAM provides a quiet internal cabin environment at idle and low engine speeds, while allowing a full, throaty V8 sound quality to be appreciated at higher engine speeds."

[speedyocca]

channel 10 news just described the falcon as face lift rather than a complete new car

[hoon69]

seems like the other camp have gotten grumpy about some pics,so im posting the pics anyways.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=454499
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=454501
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=454502
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=454504
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[310gen]

The GT looks awsome.

[CS1234]

So that's what all the security were doing last night at the exhabition centre in melb.
The GT looks the liberty.

[CanberraDriver]

I think it looks great!

And I drive a Holden and a Mitsu.

[hoon69]

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[lv619]

lol @ some of the typical one eyed responses. :1peek:

The car looks great and has the specs to back it up on the road too by the looks of things. Lets just hope for the sake of the automotive industry in Australia in general (holden + ford etc), that it generates interest in the market and sways some buyers back from buying imported vehicles etc.

[korrupt]

Those FPV shots look good. Not sure about the massive PURSUIT badge across the back of the Super Pursuit tho. Start button doesn't seem that convienent. Will have to wait for the Motor Show to see how it goes in the metal.

[Super_Matt]

GT looks good to me

[hoon69]

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[Carby]

It's a freshened up look, but really I have to say I'm a little disappointed - it does not look that different to the BF and thats going from the look on the News tonight. Don't like the racoon type lights look of the GT either.

The interiors look good - probably a bit better than the VE. They could have done more with the motors as well. 195KW is good when tagged to 391NM of torque but we know the Holden will have DI soon and that will be about 220KW. Great to see that have 6 airbags standard on the XR's and up, and a 5 speed auto is definitely going to stick it to Holden in the base models.

Nice safe looking car but not a breakthrough type look - at least it will do better than the AU.

[Aus8]

The ol T looks like she will put out major HP tune only. Will be a weapon! And finally Ford offering a Fairmont Ghia / Calais based model with the T! under the hood. Now thats got to get the State Managers happy when ordering there next one!

"The highly acclaimed turbocharged variant of the 4.0-litre I6 engine has received a major overhaul, now producing V8-rivaling performance figures.

Maximum power is up by 25 kW to 270 kW at 5250 rpm, while peak torque has increased by 53 Nm – or more than 11 per cent – to 533 Nm, which is available across a wide rev range from 2000 rpm – 4750 rpm

Maximum turbocharger boost pressure has increased from 0.4 bar to 0.7 bar, or from 6 psi to 10 psi.

With 80 per cent of the peak torque available all the way from 1250 rpm to 5750 rpm, the new I6 Turbo engine transforms the performance feel of our turbo models, delivering seamless power and fantastic responsiveness across all driving conditions

Complimenting the increased boost pressure, the new intercooler and ducting also delivers substantial gains, boasting a 50 per cent increase in intercooler core volume and size, a 40 per cent improvement in heat rejection and a 34 per cent reduction in flow restriction

While the calibration of the I6 Turbo engine has been optimised to improve fuel economy, it also incorporates a transient over boost feature, as well as launch assist and adaptive variable camshaft timing (VCT) anti-lag technologies

The transient over boost feature allows the engine to over boost by up to 10 per cent for several seconds, increasing available engine torque for improved performance during driving events such as overtaking manoeuvres,” Ford Australia Powertrain Development Manager, David Mitchell said. “Manual transmission turbo models are also equipped with a launch assist anti-lag feature, which increases available engine torque for more consistent maximum launch acceleration, as well as reducing turbo and exhaust temperatures, and minimising turbo lag and clutch wear

The I6 Turbo engine also employs cylinder cut on gearshifts in automatic transmission vehicles, for improved shift timing and overall shift refinement. Shift times have been reduced by more than 50 per cent during wide-open throttle applications, giving a sportier shift feel via the shorter, sharper gearshifts"

[Vulture]

Mmm, not totally convinced by the batman look of the FPVs. Would consider one as they have the performance to back it up. If the XR6T is as fast as some claim then the F6 is going to be ballistic.

[Ahyeah]

atleast it doesnt ride a mile high like the VE does:rofl:

[Marco]

It's pretty easy on the eye, although the XR models are a bit underwhelming and probably not different enough from the BA/BF for my liking.

The G series models on the other hand look very good, classy and understated. I don't think the new Falcon is better looking than the VE but it is nice.

[WIKED]

I like the GT. Looks good.


Start button doesn't seem that convienent.
Fair enough but I only start my daily driver 2 times a day so I wouldn't mind that it is there.

[hoon69]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/gt01.thumbnail.jpg

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http://www.caradvice.com.au/10395/2008-ford-falcon-fg-series-gallery/

[Insane253]

anyone got an interior shot of a fairmont/ghia?? or havent they been shown yet

[WIKED]

I can't wait to see them in the flesh as I never liked the VE until I saw it on the road.


I've seen Holden's secret weapon for the Melbourne Motor Show
and all i can say is.......Is it 1998 again????? KAPOWSo have we.

http://www.magshop.com.au/images/products/139_080214_xl.jpg

[lowriding]

ute looks much better than AU style . The rear cab has a little bit of angle to it now rather than straight down at the rear window ,much better .The sedans are abit iffy but i like the ute .Also car has finally gained a footrest hooray ! Interior plastics look cheap though ,and fit/finish doesn't look improved at all over the average stds of BA/BF.

[Redhot_57]

atleast it doesnt ride a mile high like the VE does:rofl:


Yeah good point. Thats a small bugbear of mine with the (standard) VEs..

Anyway back to the Orion. Is it just me, or are the alloys on the XR6T and 8 on the Ford website the same as the XR5?? Why oh why would they do that?...

Will be interesting to see how they perform on the road. Looks like the turbo
is the pick of the bunch.

[DuffMan]

For my mind the FPV's look the goods. The rest of the range isn't that inspiring, but i'm sure it will grow on me(just as the VE did).

I hope that it is as much a cracking car as Ford say. That way, Holden hopefully will lift their game even heigher. Win Win for the consumer!

Only one problem I can see at the moment, and that is that at a time when Holden have finally given their utes cabin space behind the seats, Ford appear to have removed it.

Overall, not a bad effort at all. And thats coming from a Holden fan.

[hoon69]

Falcon XT With a focus on interior appointments and safety features, the Falcon XT raises the bar for entry-level vehicle private customers and fleet buyers. For the first time on Falcon, it will have its own appearance and be distinctly different from the rest of the range.

The XT comes with the choice of either an I6 petrol engine producing 195kW of power and 391Nm of torque matched to a new five-speed automatic transmission with Sequential Sports Shift (SSS), or an optional 156kW E-Gas dedicated LPG engine with a four-speed SSS auto. The ZF six-speed automatic transmission is available as an option on the I6 petrol engine.

Standard interior appointments include automatic climate control, four-way power driver's seat, four-speaker single CD audio system, a new, larger Interior Command Centre (ICC) LCD screen, cruise control and 60/40 split fold rear seats.

Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) is standard on all petrol models, while the XT also features driver and front passenger airbags, front side head/thorax airbags, and a driver and front passenger Beltminder® system.

G6 The entry G Series model, the G6 raises the bar for the discerning luxury buyer with a range of standard features in addition to those on the Falcon XT. These include a unique G Series front bumper and grille, front fog lamps and 17-inch alloy wheels, along with luxury interior appointments, including suede seat bolsters and a rear centre armrest with cup holders. The G6 also incorporates luxury sports suspension and, on the safety front, a reverse sensing system as standard equipment.

G6E

The G6E builds upon the luxury G Series story even further, adding to the standard G6 specification with a range of features to deliver a highly-specified luxury G Series variant. Standard G6E features include the acclaimed ZF six-speed automatic transmission, along with a side indicator integrated into the exterior mirror housing, a front fender badge, unique 17-inch alloy wheels and a unique G6E front grille.

The interior adds a Bluetooth® mobile phone integration module, a premium audio system with seven-inch TFT colour ICC screen, six-disc in-dash CD player and subwoofer, an electrochromatic rear vision mirror, dual-zone automatic climate control, leather seats and an eight-way power driver's seat with three-position memory. On the safety front, the G6E adds a reverse camera and side curtain airbags as standard equipment.


G6E Turbo

The new hero of the sports luxury Falcon line-up, the G6E Turbo is differentiated from the G6E by a range of performance-oriented features, including the I6 Turbo engine that produces 270kW of power and 533Nm of torque, matched to the ZF six-speed automatic transmission. New 18-inch alloy wheels, a rear lip spoiler and bright headlamp bezels complete the unique exterior elements, while 19-inch alloy wheels are available as an option.

Interior differentiation includes fabric-wrapped lower door trims and an iPod Integration feature, which provides a fully integrated interface between a customer's iPod unit and the vehicle's audio system.



Falcon XR6

The FG Falcon XR range continues to build on the powerful and distinctive design cues that have contributed to the cult status enjoyed by XR vehicles. The XR6 incorporates a host of features over and above the Falcon XT, including a new Tremec six-speed manual transmission as standard – with the option of either the five-speed automatic or the ZF six-speed automatic transmissions – and sports suspension.

The exterior is differentiated by the signature XR double-drop lens headlight treatment, XR front bumper, grille and rockers, front fog lamps and unique 17-inch alloy wheels. Inside, the XR6 features a sports instrument cluster, sports seats, alloy pedal covers and an aluminium gear shifter on manual transmission models, with reverse camera and reverse sensing systems available as options.

Falcon XR6 Turbo In recognition of its overt sports status, the XR6 Turbo will – for the first time – be specified to the same level as the XR8, with the main difference between the two models being the engines.

The FG Falcon XR6 Turbo builds on the equipment levels of the XR6 with a range of performance and comfort-oriented features, including a 270 kW / 533 Nm I6 Turbo engine, limited slip differential, upgraded front brakes and 18-inch alloy wheels. The world-class ZF six-speed automatic transmission is available as an option.

Falcon XR8 The XR8 shares its major equipment specifications with the XR6 Turbo and is differentiated by its engine and signature bonnet power bulge. The exciting Boss 290 5.4-litre four-valve V8 engine moves to the XR8 with the introduction of the FG Falcon and is complemented by a new exhaust system with a Semi Active Muffler (SAM). The new exhaust system produces an unsurpassed, sporty V8 exhaust note, while also delivering a more refined interior environment.

A bold 19-inch five-spoke alloy wheel design is available as an option on all XR models. Falcon Ute

Each model in the new Falcon Ute range represents a unique mix of workhorse and recreational elements, which ensures the job gets done during the workday week, as well as on weekends when its time to getaway. Falcon Ute

The entry level model, Falcon Ute is available in either Cab Chassis or Styleside Box bodystyles with a choice of engines and transmissions.

Standard powertrain specification is the I6 petrol engine, producing 195kW of power and 391Nm of torque, matched to a new six-speed manual transmission, while the new five-speed automatic transmission with Sequential Sports Shift (SSS) is available as an option. Also optional is the E-Gas dedicated LPG engine, which is matched with the proven four-speed automatic transmission with SSS.

Other features include cloth trim, a single CD audio system with a new, larger Interior Command Centre (ICC) LCD screen, cruise control, four-way power driver's seat, power mirrors and windows, and steering wheel mounted controls for the audio and cruise control systems.

Safety items include driver and passenger airbags, driver and passenger Beltminder® system, and ABS with EBD, while side head/thorax airbags are available as part of an optional Safety Pack that also includes a perimeter alarm system.

R6 The new R6 model introduces an all-new model name to the FG Falcon Ute range, with a host of key sports features that deliver an altogether sportier look, feel and drive, as well as close links to the overt sports XR line-up.

With sports suspension, front fog lamps, 16-inch alloy wheels, XR rockers and rear bumper, and a new, flush-fitting tonneau cover (on the Styleside Box model), the new R6 offers a fresh combination of sports ute dynamism with renowned workhorse capabilities.

On the inside, the R6 features sports bucket seats with unique seat trim, passenger seat lumbar adjustment and a leather-wrapped steering wheel.

XR6

The XR6 builds on the specification and equipment of the new R6 model while still offering a wide choice of bodystyles – Cab Chassis and Styleside Box – and powertrains – I6 petrol with six-speed manual or five speed automatic transmissions, or I6 E-Gas with four speed automatic transmission.

The exterior is differentiated by the signature XR double-drop lens headlight treatment, XR front bumper and grille, front fog lamps and unique 17-inch alloy wheels, while Traction Control (TC) adds to the list of standard equipment.

Inside, the XR6 features a sports instrument cluster, sports seats, alloy pedal covers and an aluminium gear shifter on manual transmission models, along with automatic climate control and a sports leather steering wheel. Bluetooth mobile phone integration, iPod Integration and 18-inch alloy wheels are available as part of an optional XR Sports Pack.

XR6 Turbo

Like its sedan cousin, the XR6 Turbo Ute will – for the first time – be specified to the same level as the XR8, with the main difference between the two models being the engines.

The FG Falcon XR6 Turbo Ute builds on the equipment levels of the XR6 with a range of performance and comfort-oriented features, including a 270 kW / 533 Nm I6 Turbo engine, limited slip differential, upgraded front brakes and 18-inch alloy wheels. The world-class ZF six-speed automatic transmission is available as an option.

XR8 The XR8 shares its major equipment specifications with the XR6 Turbo and is differentiated by its engine, the exciting Boss 290 5.4-litre four-valve V8, and signature bonnet power bulge.

A bold 19-inch five-spoke alloy wheel design is available as a stand alone option on all XR Ute models or as part of the XR Luxury Pack, which also includes premium sports interior, leather seat trim, premium audio system and dual zone climate control.

FPV

GT
GT-P
GT-E
Pursuit
Super Pursuit
F6 Sedan & Ute

information and stats on new falcon

[Big_Valven]

Ok. Well it looks like, from an engine and gearbox point of view, they've really come to the party. The 6T looks like a VERY impressive piece of machinery on paper.

The actual styling, however, confuses me just a little. First let me say that the styling looks good - but that doesn't mean I like it. Elements of the styling are very impressive however overall it doesn't come together right. It looks like they are trying to carry over some of the BF cues on a totally new style. It doesn't mix right. And if the interior quality is anything like the new Mondeo, well don't get me started. But that's a big fat IF.

Overall, well done Ford, but I won't be saving for one in a hurry.

[Road Warrior]

195kw in the bog standard taxi pack.

You know, when I first got my licence that was when the first of the VR Clubsports had come out with 185kw, and all us young blokes were all "OMG" at the power levels at the time.

Now they're bringing out a 195kw straight six!!! Tyre burnage in a taxi pack on every street corner, lol.

[VY18s]

Now they're bringing out a 195kw straight six!!! Tyre burnage in a taxi pack on every street corner, lol.

Quite amazing isnt it?

I just wish Holden would do better with the V6. 340NM for a modern 3.6L V6 is pretty sad, when a 1988 EA Falcon had just as much.

Maybe the Torana might bring some hope for the V6? Either way Ford absolutely smash Holden for 6s.

[Vulture]

Hope Holden get that 6 speed manual gearbox to improve the shift quality.

I agree, overall not bad at all. I'll take a look at a phoon before buying an LS3 HSV but it will have to be pretty stunning to win me over.

[Ghia351]

195kw in the bog standard taxi pack.

You know, when I first got my licence that was when the first of the VR Clubsports had come out with 185kw, and all us young blokes were all "OMG" at the power levels at the time.

Now they're bringing out a 195kw straight six!!! Tyre burnage in a taxi pack on every street corner, lol.And that's on 91 ron...


When running on premium unleaded fuel (95 octane) the 4.0-litre six-cylinder delivers a fraction more power, producing 198kW and 409Nm.

Ford engineers say they have not tested the engine on more expensive 98-octane fuel, but admit the engine would likely produce in excess of 200kW of power.
taken from Drive:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48310&vf=28&pg=2

[Carby650]

I note a lot of "guests" on this thread.
Wouldn't be our friends at Fraud looking to see how many friends on the "dark side" they might have recruited with their new car????

[Uncle Tone]

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1110050k.jpg

Is it just me or are the wheel arches too small for the body?

It almost looks front wheel drive-ish in proportions. Too much metal between the top of the front guard and the bonnet.

Anyone handy with Photoshop wanna see what it looks like with bigger wheels and wheelarches?