View Full Version : fuel prices to stop you buying a V8
as we all know the price of fuel keeps going higher and higher, but compared to the rest of the world, our price is not too bad. eg Europe around $3 a litre at the moment.
so how high would the local fuel prices have to go to stop you driving a 8 and switch to a V6 or even a 4cyl
or would you fall into the category where your income is good enough that fuel prices really dont bother you at all :bow:
Marco
13-03-2008, 07:50 PM
In my first year of V8 ownership, I drove 33,000km and spent $5100 on fuel. So if fuel hit $3 a litre then I might start thinking very seriously about getting an econobox - but in most situations it's cheaper to pay more to fill a car you already own than it is to get a more economical car.
TAKEITEZ
13-03-2008, 07:51 PM
if i had to drive the maloo all day every day, i couldn't justify spending upto $150 a week on juice...
but adding up what it'd cost to buy a 5 - 8L/100 capable car, and run it, rego it, and insure it, you might as well keep what you've got and put up with it... as stated above
luckily i have a work vehicle and work fuel card... so i only drive the maloo when i want to drive it... which keeps it 'affordable'...
if fuel gets too expensive... like $3 a litre... it'll just park for longer between drives... :(
HSVREDSLED
13-03-2008, 08:00 PM
Up until recently, I did 1000ks a week in the clubby. For the next 12 months I have a company car with a fuel card.
Every now and again, I come home and grab the keys to the sled and go for a run around the block..just for fun.
I now think I will keep a toy car for the weekends, :driving: and get an eco car for the commuting when I lose the company car.
1000ks per week is too much for V8 with fuel at $1.45 litre plus
Delft Maloo
13-03-2008, 08:10 PM
i do a 1000klm trip nearly every weekend and im doing it in a cammed and turbocharged maloo, do i care about fuel prices No there's nothing i can do about it and my cars have to have it to run. I sold my little barina that used to get me around 6.3L/100 to get into my maloo and seeing that im punching nearly 400rwkw and im only using double the fuel of the barina im happy to do what ever i want power wise as long as i can get 500klm out of a tank on the hwy.
And im paying between $1.56-$1.65 a ltr.
Wonky
13-03-2008, 08:20 PM
The question has come up time and again on here over the years and most of us take the attitude that driving our V8 is so important to us that plenty else is going to go by the wayside before our V8 goes or is relegated to weekend duties only.
mustanger
13-03-2008, 08:31 PM
I dont think fuel prices will stop you from buying a V8. It may just stop you from driving it all the time .
Once a revhead.......allways a revhead :driving::burnout::driving::burnout:
BlownLS7
13-03-2008, 08:47 PM
id buy a V12 if Holden made one LOL
El Narros
13-03-2008, 08:54 PM
Its a pain in the arse but what can u do? I m a rep and drive it daily, might as well enjoy the V8 before we run outta petrol and have to drive around in hydro/electric cars.
It would not stop me owning what I have. Petrol prices have gone up from around 30 cents a litre to current levels, and I did not change older V8s or 6s on that basis. Changeover cost would far outweight running costs advantages.
XLR8 V8
13-03-2008, 09:04 PM
My LS1 V8 with tune and good power uses less fuel than my stock Alloytech V6 work car. I would take some damn expensive fuel for me to part with the V8 for economical reasons. I'd have to be stepping down to one of those 1L fuel miser smart cars in that case :D
RichieRedHotSS
13-03-2008, 09:11 PM
When you step back and look at all the costs associated with owning/running a car, fuel is a relatively small part of the total cost. The biggest "unseen" cost is the depreciation, then when you factor in the other costs; rego, insurance, maintenance, finance, tyres etc, the fuel cost is not so daunting.
goose202
13-03-2008, 09:26 PM
This isn't really a V8 question - it's an "anything even half exciting" vs "econobox" question.
A good mate has a WRX. In normal city driving it seems he isn't better than 1-2 L/100 over my VX LS1. If we get to a point that I can't afford to keep the V8 running, his WRX will be in the garage too. So will all full size cars. So will most medium size cars.
And I agree with Richie. Buy a new Commodore and you take a hit of, what, $100 a week in depreciation? How many even spend that much on fuel?
CS1234
13-03-2008, 09:51 PM
NEVER, I will never sell my car, just cause the petrol prices going up.
Think about it, you will sell your car and you might loose some money on it.
Buy a V6 or 4 cyl,rego,insurance and you might be worse off.
Either way you will still need to pay for petrol, regardless of what you drive
GHZ28
13-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Depreciation is even worse than $100 a week by a long way.
For a start, you drive out the driveway, bang goes your GST, so there is 10% immediately. Then if luxury tax applied, that is also gone as it only applies to new cars.
Current pricing at auction would put, as I find it anyway, depreciation at around 15-20% for the first year, at least 15% second year and maybe 10% or more for the next couple. A two year lease car is seldom worth more than 50-60% of its purchase value.
My Adventra for instance, 4 years old in May, list price at the time was 62k, purchase price was 55k, current sale price is 28k, trade in price, 22-24k. And it has not done 60k in the 4 years. That puts it at 38 to 40% of purchase price in 4 years. Clubbies are not much better off if you look at 2004 models.
Depreciation on most V8s these days is probably closer to $200 a week, whether you drive it or not. And most of us spend thousands on them modifying them, most of that is also money down the drain. So, the cost of fuel, unless outrageous is not going to be a significant factor in the total cost of ownership.
What is your insurance? Many younger V8 owners are paying $40 a week or more for insurance.
I have three V8s, a V6 and a litre class motorbike, but the total fuel cost per week is never above say $150, depreciation on that lot is probably nearer $500 per week.
As they say, its just the cost of doing business.
Garry
StuartE
13-03-2008, 09:58 PM
I get a car allowance for work... and the WH isn't that much thirstier than the AU for regular driving... fuel costs did HELP me get the V8 though, in that the previous owner decided to change it for a 4WD... :) (Yeah, way more economical to run, too... lol)
Cheers,
Stuart
michaels1v8
13-03-2008, 10:02 PM
When fuel gets even more expensive (ie: when it starts costing $100 plus week for me to fill the tank after my regular driving habit) I would probably just get a bike license.
Cheap rego and would only need 3rd party insurance etc as the cost of a ok 250cc second hand is 2-4k and not worth having.
Plus the performance side of a 250 is almost like a stock gen3 so power wont be lacking :)
Until then Im pretty happy driving my V8 even if it cost me $85 a week for fuel, $50 a week in insurance and $100+ in depreciation plus whatever I waste on mods.
Just cant wipe that smile from my face when I let it roar:smilesandbanana:
Mungrel
13-03-2008, 10:05 PM
As long as theres trains for public transport in easily accessible places, i'll keep my v8 no matter what the price of fuel!
At the moment, i drive approximately 2km to the train station (looking at buying pushbike, so don't need to drive there) and the 30km train trip costs me about $3.60 and i sit on my arse, listening to music for an hour. I get to work / home, relaxed and stress free.
alternatively, i can drive to work, in which case it takes 45mins to get there, and anywhere up to 90mins to get home (peak hour) and it costs me $80 minimum every 4 days!!! Add to that, i've gotta pay attention for the whole drive, particularly if its raining, i get to work and i'm buggered from all the foot work. (courtesy of 53 traffic lights :rofl:)
Not hard to see why i catch the train...
joffa
13-03-2008, 10:07 PM
I have a company car and fuel card so fuel prices don't worry me 'too' much as i only drive mine on nice weekends. Though if fuel got much more expensive and i didn't have the work car i'm with the dude above, i'll get a motorbike license and get a bike to get around the city during the week and keep the ute just for weekends.
lux_06
13-03-2008, 11:18 PM
im about to swap from a 2004 diesel hilux too a v8 ute... no kidding i get the same consumption figures around town as the new VE v8s proclaim on those stickers on the windows in the showroom. let alone if i drive above 100kph or turn the AC on, in which case i would be heading towards 20l/100k. only get 14l/100k round town, then you add in that diesel is about 10 - 15c dearer and owning a v8 doesnt seem so bad too me.
Danv8
14-03-2008, 04:29 AM
My V8 Calais drinks less than my Rodeo V6 and the Ford territory.
Nuff said. :)
Y55-7UT
14-03-2008, 04:46 AM
my utes doing 9.1 around town and 7.8 on the highway, so not sure when ill pull the pin, ive got another year left in the apprenticeship so unless it all happen before then it might be a different story.....i might regret saying this but i would have to cut of the weekly case or brew if $3l happended
Desertws6
14-03-2008, 05:08 AM
I'll still own a V8. The V6 is the daily driver, respectable milage.
Chevrolet has a prototype called the Volt, runs on batteries & gas. They claim to be able to drive 40 miles on eletricity before the engine (1.0L turbo) starts. Nice looking car, have no idea what the price is.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2297/2172341197_d0a5ea99fb.jpg?v=0
We have a lot of sun here (350+-day/yr), I see free solar power for commuter trips, most are under 40 miles anyways.
Save the V8 for the weekend! Love the smell of burnin' rubber in the morning!!!
Cheers,
Steve
mmciau
14-03-2008, 05:18 AM
As long as theres trains for public transport in easily accessible places, i'll keep my v8 no matter what the price of fuel!
At the moment, i drive approximately 2km to the train station (looking at buying pushbike, so don't need to drive there) and the 30km train trip costs me about $3.60 and i sit on my arse, listening to music for an hour. I get to work / home, relaxed and stress free.
alternatively, i can drive to work, in which case it takes 45mins to get there, and anywhere up to 90mins to get home (peak hour) and it costs me $80 minimum every 4 days!!! Add to that, i've gotta pay attention for the whole drive, particularly if its raining, i get to work and i'm buggered from all the foot work. (courtesy of 53 traffic lights :rofl:)
Not hard to see why i catch the train...
Did the same as you for 20 odd years here in Adelaide.
Commuting - 30 minutes travel and not arrive at work one notch under road rage!!
Mike
blackbettyhsv
14-03-2008, 08:37 AM
cant complain with mine compared to my mate, he's got a 2004 nissan patrol turbo diesel, I get 10.2 hwy he gets 19.8 hwy, I know who will sell theres first
Dacious
14-03-2008, 09:51 AM
I think the engines will go away first. Think about it - the Barra six is leaving Ford because it can't be made to pass future emissions laws (and it's probably really too big, physically and capacity-wise to fit future cars).
The 5.4 can't be far behind, as a cast-iron block motor it will probably fall foul of the same laws. They could go to the litle 4.6 litre alloy Mustang motor, but in a big heavy car that might come up as too light in the torque stakes for the Falc, compared to the turbo six.
So I believe the 'Huntsman' iteration of the Falcon, if it makes it that far, will offer a turbo V6 as the top spec. The recently unveiled Hurricane motor is primarily intended for trucks - not saying it won't end up here, but it seems unlikely.
Holden is not immune to this: 35mpg CAFE legislation in America has already cost them a replacement to the quad cam Northstar V8, the fleet of big RWD cars to be built off the VE's platform, and may well cost them the fullsize trucks which is the reason the LSx series exists.
It may very well be that if GM stops spending development dollars and doesn't produce DI or multivalve versions of the V8, it's days are numbered too.
As it is, the BMW 335 produces better performance and economy figures than the G8 - admittedly in a smaller car. The V8 might simply recede into history for economic/social reasons, maybe around the same time as VE-VF architecture is replaced.
CalaisRider
14-03-2008, 10:10 AM
The question has come up time and again on here over the years and most of us take the attitude that driving our V8 is so important to us that plenty else is going to go by the wayside before our V8 goes or is relegated to weekend duties only.
:)
Yeh for me, finally "Living The Dream" is veerryy important.
If fuel got real high, I'd probably save the V8 for special rides and cruises, then buy a buzzbox for daily drive. Its the daily drive around town that swallows the fuel at horrendous rates in my car.
Pete
nudenut
14-03-2008, 11:55 AM
I've taken the plunge ... now driving the other half's 1.6 Pulsar for the daily commute (~300 km/week) while she uses the SS for shopping, playgroup etc (~50km/week). Apart from the occasional frustration of driving a slow car again - relearning that is a discipline in itself - it's a win/win. Partner and kiddo get a much bigger, safer car to protect them on the roads, I appreciate the SS much more when I get into it on the weekend, it's racking up the kms much more slowly, and the fuel difference is my beer money. :D
Depreciation is why I don't buy new cars.
LDV60
14-03-2008, 12:46 PM
There is no way I'll be "minimising" my car just on fuel costs.
I'm sure there is a very large majority of car owners out in the community that will feel the fuel cost pain before I do.
Falcon, Territory, CRV, MDX, any Subaru and in fact almost all of the "SUV" and 4WD market all cost more to drive than my VE R8.
Like most everyone else has said too, I bought my V8 because I enjoy to drive. Pretty hard to enjoy a shitbox.
nev355
14-03-2008, 01:07 PM
I drive a vy clubby wit a cam twin turbo setup 800km a week and yeah it is a bit $$ on fuel though i used to have a run around and by the time i paid for it , rego insurance it was easier to just drive and enjoy my clubby so i sold my ute.
SV346
14-03-2008, 01:09 PM
ill always own v8's, if i cant afford it at the time then ill find a way to :) ill always put the joy of actually driving over affordability anyday, its the value/satisfaction for money factor :D
eldan89
14-03-2008, 01:21 PM
As long as theres trains for public transport in easily accessible places, i'll keep my v8 no matter what the price of fuel!
At the moment, i drive approximately 2km to the train station (looking at buying pushbike, so don't need to drive there) and the 30km train trip costs me about $3.60 and i sit on my arse, listening to music for an hour. I get to work / home, relaxed and stress free.
alternatively, i can drive to work, in which case it takes 45mins to get there, and anywhere up to 90mins to get home (peak hour) and it costs me $80 minimum every 4 days!!! Add to that, i've gotta pay attention for the whole drive, particularly if its raining, i get to work and i'm buggered from all the foot work. (courtesy of 53 traffic lights :rofl:)
Not hard to see why i catch the train...
If only there were more people like you. As much as I LOVE v8's I see absolutely no point in using them in heavy / stop start traffic. There is no way a V8 could be more "fun" or "exciting" at 30km/h then any other car on the road, all they do is drink more petrol then many other cars. Its good to see that people on here are taking the initiative of using public transport and buying fuel efficient cars as daily drivers. Just because you can afford the petrol doesn't mean you should go wasting it because you can.
Red CV8 R
14-03-2008, 01:33 PM
My Monaro only gets driven when I feel like it. No way would I use it for my drive to work in the centre of Sydney. Its a toy and I love it that way.
I have a VW Passat 1.8T 5 door for daily driving duties which I bought for a few reasons and I can tell you the savings in Petrol dont hurt one little bit! :)
It is actually a quick car in its own right but easy on the fuel if you dont spool the turbo constantly. Around 7L/100 if driven nicely. My Monaro averages 20L/100 even when driven nicely! :confused:
Still the Passat cant replace that feeling that I get when I drive the Monaro so I wont be giving my V8 up any time soon :bow:
SXTASY_SSV
14-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Ive only had my SSV for a week and it is my daily driver. It is pretty pricey on fuel but considering its a work car id take it over a navara or a hilux, as they were the two other options, even if it cost me no more than $20 bux a week to have. I definitely know what Id rather be driving.
SV346
14-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Also im getting 12.3L/100 around town in the ve so im happy with that, i dont like to use my brakes much :vpo: Smooth driving
hsv-105
14-03-2008, 01:59 PM
I run my GTO on VP109 @ $6.25 a Litre and average around 1.5kms to the Litre when I'm up it.
So $1.50 a Litre for Optimax and 15 Litres per 100km out of a late model V8 still seems OK in comparison.
It's funny how every time a petrol price hike is mooted, ACA and Today Tonight run stories about battlers and someone starts a thread on "when will you sell your V8?".
transcend VUSS
14-03-2008, 02:26 PM
Money is no substitute for happyness, therefore if your worrying about price of fuel, you wont enjoy your ride. So whats the point??
So just enjoy it while you got it, you could be bloody dead tomorrow.
I was driving a mazda B2600 ute around for work and getting 400K's out of tank if lucky (65L), the SSV carrys the same tools and i'm getting around 420 a tank! So far most of the driving has been around town.
So no, fuel prices havent stopped me from buying a V8.
Marco
14-03-2008, 10:24 PM
I drive a vy clubby wit a cam twin turbo setup 800km a week and yeah it is a bit $$ on fuel though i used to have a run around and by the time i paid for it , rego insurance it was easier to just drive and enjoy my clubby so i sold my ute.
Yep, dead right.
As I said earlier, in my first year of SS ownership I spent about $5100 on fuel. If I bought a runabout, I'd need to save at least $1000 a year from my total fuel bill for the two cars if it was to work out, just to pay for rego and basic insurance, and then probably add another $500-1000 a year to fix stuff that would break on an old car. There's just no way I can make those numbers stack up.
Maybe if rego wasn't so bloody expensive, for a start...
OUTAtheBloo
14-03-2008, 10:27 PM
When the fuel runs out, thats when ill stop driving the V8 Ute :D
Dan
Vulture
14-03-2008, 10:31 PM
When you step back and look at all the costs associated with owning/running a car, fuel is a relatively small part of the total cost. The biggest "unseen" cost is the depreciation, then when you factor in the other costs; rego, insurance, maintenance, finance, tyres etc, the fuel cost is not so daunting.
Dead right, that is the key. Depreciation is by far the greatest cost of ownership.
smacx
14-03-2008, 11:48 PM
I keep getting asked "why did you buy a v8" apparently fuel prices are that bad. I am pretty happy with the 12-13l /100 i get in the ve around town and 9.8l /100 highway is pretty good in my opinion, especially since I have the extra power for overtaking, hills and the like. I think I will keep driving v8s untill we run out of petrol, then i might get it converted to gas.
Dan_LS1
15-03-2008, 12:09 AM
I wouldnt sell my car i get between 480 and 550km's around town and between 750 and 810km's on a trip depending on how i drive it.
DaveQ
15-03-2008, 06:41 AM
They will have to drag me kicking and screaming out of my SSV...there is no way I will sell my 6 Litre V8 for any lesser vehicle. I enjoy the V8...that is the main reason I bought it. To each their own, but I will always find a way to fund the higher fuel price. I have my own business, and all consulting on-site includes a travelling charge, based on Automobile Association and Industry rates. When the fuel price goes up, my travelling charge increases accordingly. This is acceptable to my clients as most of their suppliers/consultants do the same anyway.
NefariousLS1
15-03-2008, 07:37 AM
What is your insurance? Many younger V8 owners are paying $40 a week or more for insurance.
Garry
I pay 220 a month, my shitter (still have my first car) costs 60 for to weeks of work and back duties plus 400 A year on 3rd party prop and 800 i think to rego (1200 straight up and at the moment thats 12 tanks into the ls1) with the ute using on average a tank a week as it is (dont know how it will be when i afford the cammed l98 for it) and providing i dont go spastic with stall and cam choices (possibly a tight 3200 and mid to high 22x cam with 3.7 diff) i should still be able to use it. and as people are saying nowadays km's on a v8 do little to change there value (my 2002 vu just hit 90k) so as much as id like to not drive it i think the subi will be going when the rego is gone...
gmh308
15-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Up until recently, I did 1000ks a week in the clubby. For the next 12 months I have a company car with a fuel card.
Every now and again, I come home and grab the keys to the sled and go for a run around the block..just for fun.
I now think I will keep a toy car for the weekends, :driving: and get an eco car for the commuting when I lose the company car.
1000ks per week is too much for V8 with fuel at $1.45 litre plus
For anyone who loves cars, IMHO this will become more and more common. With high km's per week, say 1,000 on a V8 around town, a clean air econobox may save $4-6k a year, ~$15k over 3, $25-30k over 5 years.
WOMBIE
15-03-2008, 10:51 AM
Has anyone given any thought that fuel prices drive up goods and services?
It ain't just about putting fuel in your rides ladies and gents!
Darren
Marco
15-03-2008, 09:26 PM
Yes, but that will happen to everyone equally, not just V8 owners. You won't save any money on a litre of milk by sacrificing five litres of engine!
joffa
15-03-2008, 10:44 PM
I heard something on the radio about the government and groups like racv, racq etc bringing in a user pays system where they get rid of fuel excise and gst, state registration etc and charge people on engine size, what car, where they drive, what times of the day and how many km's you do.
Depending on the figures if you drive your v8 in the burbs and stay out of the cbd and only use it on weekends etc it sounds as though we could be better off. Apparently treasury is looking into it. Of course it could just be another money scam but by the sounds fuel could drop to 97c per liter or so if they set it up in such a way as not to **** us over.
Any thoughts?
I heard something on the radio about the government and groups like racv, racq etc bringing in a user pays system where they get rid of fuel excise and gst, state registration etc and charge people on engine size, what car, where they drive, what times of the day and how many km's you do.
Depending on the figures if you drive your v8 in the burbs and stay out of the cbd and only use it on weekends etc it sounds as though we could be better off. Apparently treasury is looking into it. Of course it could just be another money scam but by the sounds fuel could drop to 97c per liter or so if they set it up in such a way as not to **** us over.
Any thoughts?
what about the setup and ongoing costs of such an idea, they would be pretty big. i also dont like the idea of the government knowing where i am and exactly what im doing at any given time
joffa
15-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Idunno, sounds alright to me. I reckon the government probably has more important things to do than track where people travel etc. I only drive mine on weekends so if it saves me money i'm all for it.
throttlehappy
15-03-2008, 11:14 PM
its annoying me about getting a cam thats for sure
people that say there cheap are dreaming i reckon...cheap on the highway, thats its
my vr sits on 9 to 10 litres all the time and i give it a bootfull
iamhappy46
15-03-2008, 11:22 PM
Idunno, sounds alright to me. I reckon the government probably has more important things to do than track where people travel etc. I only drive mine on weekends so if it saves me money i'm all for it.
The government will probably label that as a luxury and charge you extra for 'wasting' fuel when other people could be driving to work. Probably the same for people who want to enjoy track days, $3L if you want a track day but $0.50 if your driving to work :rofl:
Yes Mr Politician, I work at Oran Park as a product tester so I deserve cheap fuel :rofl:
OzJavelin
16-03-2008, 12:26 AM
The deciding factor might not be how much can you afford to pay for fuel, but rather how much of it can you get and how long will it last you?
If this "oil shock" morphs itself to look anything like the first one in the early Seventies it mightn't take much for supplies to be reduced and rationing might start rearing it's ugly head. Queues of V8-powered cars waiting for their turn for 20L of fuel while 4-cyl diesel buzz-boxes cruise around getting 900km/tank. It wasn't entirely the price of fuel that drove Americans from their big cars in those days, but the inconvenience and uncertainty of fuel supplies which had them knocking down the doors of Toyota, Datsun, VW, etc for cars which could run for more than a few days on a tank of petrol.
Marco
16-03-2008, 10:56 AM
We already have a pay as you use system, it's called fuel tax. It takes into account your engine size and how many km you do simply because if you use more fuel you pay more tax.
They could scrap rego altogether and roll the whole thing into fuel tax, but the biggest cost in my rego is what I have to pay to the insurance shysters so it wouldn't make that big a difference.
If they're serious about getting cars off the road that don't need to be there, fix public transport, and bring in congestion charges.
LSX-438
16-03-2008, 11:32 AM
I find it odd how some say they are getting 12~14L/100km with V8's "around town"
My V6 gets around 12L/100km! (in Sydney CBD traffic).
What does "around town" mean - is anyone getting 12-14 around Sydney CBD?
"Around town" in some places must be like a country drive vs Sydney.
macca33
16-03-2008, 11:56 AM
Just a few comments, my Senator is the only car I have and does everything that I need it to, towing, trips, enjoyment, look really, really, really good looking (borrowed from Zoolander), etc... I won't buy an econobox, because every trip I take to work, or wherever, apart from local town trips, is at least 50+km on freeways, where I get very good fuel economy and can enjoy the effortless luxury.
LSX438 - around my country town, even when being aggressive in my driving, I manage to keep it around 16lt/100. If I take a trip to Melbourne, combined freeway and city aconomy returnes about 13-13.5lt/100. City only, I dunno, probably 16+.
There is no 'oil shock' (apart from the price) and we're not running out. If so, the 'scare' of 30 years ago would have come to fruition by now. The fact is that the oil producing nations (OPEC) are the greediest people in the world and set such high prices through limiting supply, thus, allowing for excessive profiteering - that is a no brainer. We also contend with exorbitant Federal and State taxes, where we pay GST upon the already taxed fuel, so a tax on a tax - good on 'ya govt...we love 'ya for it!
The prices will increase, that is a certainty; the prices of goods will also increase, through associated production and tranpsort costs. That is the price we pay for living in a First World country and having the high - in proportion to other parts of the world - wages and standards of living.
It is all relative.
Cheers and sorry for the waffle,
Macca
LSX-438
16-03-2008, 12:14 PM
LSX438 - around my country town, even when being aggressive in my driving, I manage to keep it around 16lt/100. If I take a trip to Melbourne, combined freeway and city aconomy returnes about 13-13.5lt/100. City only, I dunno, probably 16+.
Understood Macca. Around town really is like a country town (for some)!
As for the current "Oil shock" - Saudi's dont publish their reserve numbers - so the reality is nobody actually knows when Oil supply will peak (or if it has already). Despite all best estimates they don't actually know. Also what is not known is new technology will emerge to recover mroe from (previously) uneconomincally recoverable oil. As price goes up, it becomes more attractive to develop (previously too expensive) technologies that can recover the 20% or so extra oil left in the Well.
sh|tbmxrider
16-03-2008, 08:25 PM
me, I fill up to a full tank when I need to...
Usually twice a week, at about $90-100 a tank...
lowriding
16-03-2008, 08:35 PM
me, I fill up to a full tank when I need to...
Usually twice a week, at about $90-100 a tank...
how many kms do you generally do per week ?
zacaxel1975
16-03-2008, 09:34 PM
There is no 'oil shock' (apart from the price) and we're not running out. If so, the 'scare' of 30 years ago would have come to fruition by now. The fact is that the oil producing nations (OPEC) are the greediest people in the world and set such high prices through limiting supply
I agree. There has been a massive increase in demand from places like China and India over the last few years, but OPEC hasn't/refuses to increase supply.
Also, while the price of fuel has risen sharply in the last few years, it should be looked at relative to the cost of other items, over time and allowing for inflation.
A couple of quotes made during 2007.
"In 1987 petrol cost just 54.3 cents a litre but since then the cost of filing up has not outstripped inflation.
The past 25 years prices for things like butter have risen much more than the fuel once you factor in inflation, says David Cumming from the Royal Automotive Club of Victoria's (RACV)."
"In fact, the average price for goods such as milk and bread have sky-rocketed in the past 25 years.
Bread has risen by 270 percent, catching public transport is up a whopping 370 percent and your electricity bill has risen by 230 percent.
Whereas the cost of filling up your car has risen by just 110 percent."
We should all be thankful that V8's dont run on bread :rofl:
cholo
16-03-2008, 09:42 PM
I dont think fuel prices will stop you from buying a V8. It may just stop you from driving it all the time .
Once a revhead.......allways a revhead :driving::burnout::driving::burnout:
So true John. :rofl:
I keep telling myself "this is getting too expensive this bloody v8" when i fill her up every 3 days or so.
Then not even a minute later after driving away from the petrol station, my smile comes back :eyes: "f**k it who cares".
Happens every time I fill up the car.
I've waited a life time to get a v8 not giving it up now.
So much for one of my fantastic ideas before of getting a hybrid.
Im sure others will probably agree. :rofl:
Grangey
16-03-2008, 09:47 PM
I can remember what mileage I used to get in a 351 carby fed XD Ghia..My current 6.0L Grange gets roughly 3 times the mileage, but petrol is about 3 times dearer than it was back then..In a sense, its probably no more expensive to run a car today than back then..
NefariousVX
16-03-2008, 09:57 PM
I must that as so many have said before me that i wouldnt sell due to high fuel prices. I would just drive the ss less. As it is i only use it maybe a couple of times a week. I went out and got a 250 road bike for commuting purposes. My bike cost me $1800 then rego of $186 (6 months) and insurance( full comp) $160 and it used to cost me around $12 a week in petrol. That is a bloody good reason for getting one. (Touch wood on break downs) havent happend yet. Its not just petrol prices that swayed me to getting a bike but also the cost of parking in brisbane, it would cost me around $200 a week to drive and park in the city, and on public transport it about $60 a week, so it is more cost effective to have a bike as well as a car, plus the fun factor of a bike (even though it is only a 250). I know i wont be selling mine anytime soon!
Richard
Torxteer
16-03-2008, 11:22 PM
I'll be getting a V8 in a few weeks. Not even concerned about fuel prices. The modern V8 arent even that bad. The old carby stuff on the other hand....
i was driving my ss everyday approx 800km/s per week just a waste of fuel and especially using the car for work so i got a run around now and drive the ss on the weekends.
much more fun & satisfying
BLACKVE
17-03-2008, 12:46 PM
My VE is a daily driver and now with cam getting 14l in adelaide(Not like sydney traffic lol) on highway still around 10. Had 1/4 tank other day and filled up at 1.58 cost $95(98 fuel). Only use $30>35 a week but if it cost say $200 to fill up($3 litre) i'd buy a pushie and relegate her to weekends and rainy days:rofl:
I'm keeping her i'm in love:rofl::rofl:
JustCruising
17-03-2008, 01:26 PM
You'd save even more by not driving on rainy days!
BLACKVE
17-03-2008, 02:49 PM
:rofl:I'd get wet on the pushie:rofl:
15th day straight in adelaide over 35C so not much chance!
Road Warrior
13-05-2008, 11:02 AM
I ride a motorbike to work, so I rarely look at the price of fuel. It costs about $19 every week and a half for me :D
Obviously I'd love another V8, but I can't justify the fuel expense. I get my revhead fix from my ZX6R :D
Waughy
13-05-2008, 11:07 AM
Just heard on the radio that world demand has risen again and we should expect to see prices around $1.60/L for regular unleaded in the next few weeks, if not sooner. Fan####entastic. I'm guessing they'll put diesel up too for the hell of it.
Curtis-R
13-05-2008, 11:37 AM
It's funny in the media how they always talk about petrol prices in a 'regular unleaded' sense.. Little attention seems to be on the drivers using 'premium unleaded' where we are paying upto 13c per litre more than the regular unleaded users.. so when normal petrol hits $1.57... the majority of us (premium users) are paying $1.70 already!
So if it hits $1.60 then we will be paying $1.70 - $1.73.. Im tipping by the end of this year we will be paying $2.00 for premium IMO. Will I still be driving the SS..? Hell yeah..!
MISTRSS
13-05-2008, 11:40 AM
I'll pay 5$ a litre if it became that high, that wont stop me from driving my car
aquabat
13-05-2008, 11:49 AM
I haven't used a full tank of fuel for the last year easy! In the first 3 months of having my Clubby, I'd use a tank and a half but being 18 and driving it EVERYWHERE, always cruising with my friends.
If I fill up on a Monday ($1.50 x 75L = $112.50. I never get a full 75L anyway, 60L max my tank seems to take, big air bubble? So about $80) then I won't have to fill up again until half way through the next week.
That'll all change soon but with my heads and cam going in. I am expecting to change my average fuel usage of around 13L/100km to 20L/100km and to spend up to $150 a week. Doesn't bother me but, as I know when I hear the car camming over, I'll have a huge smile on my face!
I don't have to drive the car daily either, I just choose to because I love it!
Jason.
speen
13-05-2008, 12:15 PM
I have a sticker on my fuel flap that says "E10 Ethanol Fuel suitable". just wondering if anyone has actually had the balls to put that sh*t in.
VYClubby
13-05-2008, 12:34 PM
By the time fuel reached $3 a litre not many people would be in the market to buy a V8, so selling it would be difficult, and you'd get peanuts for it anyway.
But I wouldn't go back to anything other than a V8, despite the cost of fuel.
Grommz
13-05-2008, 12:36 PM
haha theres no way im putting E10 fuel in my SS..
Ultimate all the way.
mcnugget15
28-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Does anyone know what the honest difference in fuel consumption between to VE SV6 and SS-V would be? Highway and City?
Does anyone know what the honest difference in fuel consumption between to VE SV6 and SS-V would be? Highway and City?
Had a VE V6 195kw Calais A5.
Now have a VE LS2 307kw Clubby M6.
Depending on driving, 2 to 4 litres more per 100km around town/city.
1 or 2 litres less per 100km on the highway.
There's nothing in it really. I used 98RON in the Calais and use 98RON in the Clubby. Same sized tank. Same cost to fill it up. Didn't factor at all in my decision to get a 6.0 litre V8.
Also, once you open it up (CAI, exhaust) and get it tuned, it's even better :D
Hope this helps.
Big_Valven
29-05-2008, 01:56 PM
I can't wait for fuel to be $2 a litre, all the S/H v8s will be worth stuff all and I'll buy a couple of VZ SS's as bush bashers :)
In all seriousness, the petrol thing has been done to death, I'm sick of it. I don't give a stuff, my car runs on it, if petrol becomes $3 a litre my car won't suddenly stop running on it, and it won't suddenly be capable of running on air or the sun or something, so FFS peoples, get the hell over it! I can't turn the radio or TV on without hearing "petrol will be 300 million dollars a millilitre by the end of this sentence," or "its someones or someone else's fault that petrol costs continue to rise," GET A CLUE, I DON'T GIVE A SH1T along with MANY other drivers. I work one day a week and study full time, and still seem to be able to fill a 75 litre tank whenever it runs out, along with creature comforts like food, water, and a new home theatre system. I manage my monies carefully unlike most of the brainless drones who run around like headless chickens whenever they hear a news article about petrol.
my tree-fiddy (yeah, my opinion's cost has risen from 2c to tree-fiddy. That price hike sure beats petrol :) )
MARS 747-400
30-05-2008, 05:06 PM
it is only costing me an extra $35 dollars a week to run my V8 to my old hilux ute,big deal:)
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