VE SS-V come with deadlocks? [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

hithere

20-03-2008, 09:20 AM

Hey,

Just a quick question to VE owners... do VE come with deadlock feature? You know when you press the remote key lock button twice, it deadlocks the car doors so even if a low-life break the window, they can't open the door!

I am asking this because, I thought VE did NOT come with deadlock feature and was disappointed (I read a post were someone had their HSV spare knocked off after breaking the rear window to gain access). However, I have recently heard someone else mention that VE does have deadlock feature.

So which is it? Can anyone confirm VE has deadlock feature?

Danv8

20-03-2008, 09:31 AM

If I recall they do have a dead lock locking system.
I think it would be down right irresponsible for any car manufacturer to NOT install such a feature.

EpOcH

20-03-2008, 10:04 AM

Doing a quick google search returns this page
http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/holden_ve_commodore_omega_car_review.htm

In which it says :
Security
Keyless entry, remote central locking with deadlock, and an engine immobiliser is standard on the Omega.

I'm assuming since the standard omega has it , they all have it ;)

Alex(AUS)

20-03-2008, 10:05 AM

They do have a 2 stage lock. I am assuming the 2nd stage deadlocks the doors ... However, I have not tested this ...

Alex

RichieRedHotSS

20-03-2008, 11:09 AM

Simple test. Lock the doors (two stage) with a window down and see if you can "unlock" the internal button.

hithere

20-03-2008, 12:02 PM

.. However, I have not tested this ...

G'day Alex,

It would be much appreciated if you could test (like Richie said) and get back to us. With Holden cutting things out to save cost, I wouldn't be surprised if that got cut too!! :rolleyes:

195i Clubbie

20-03-2008, 12:08 PM

my understanding is all models up from the VT got Deadlocks however i think the ISS system was canned after the VT

The_Senator

20-03-2008, 12:11 PM

The VE Definately does have the Deadlock..

I have mine to sound the horn on the second press (deadlock) so that is KNOW it is properly locked..

Tested with window down, deadlocked and NO WAY could i unlock the car from the inside..

So - tested and proved :)

hithere

20-03-2008, 12:14 PM

Thank you! Thank God Holden accountants haven't got to the deadlocks!! With the reported number of low-lives increasing these days, we need all the help we can get to make sure we hold on to our own stuff!!

SSV366

20-03-2008, 12:48 PM

vicarious

20-03-2008, 03:13 PM

doesnt it also have an alarm?

SSV366

20-03-2008, 03:49 PM

doesnt it also have an alarm?

Yep sure does.

HEXEM

20-03-2008, 07:44 PM

Hi all,

I just tried locking my SSV as outlined above and I can still press the lock snib on the inside door handel and unlock the door.

If I press the remote lock button twice it doesn'f do anything.

I have just looked in the manual regarding security and it does not mention anything about deadlocking the car (atleast I couldnt find what page).

There is a feature to activate in the customise menu regarding having the vehicle chirp the horn on the second press of the remote lock button. Now if that means that the vehicle is now deadlocked?, it doesn't say in the manual.

Any other ideas?..

Cheers
Phil

P.S. I wish holden would make their user manuals available in PDF format for quick searching on a computer...

quinny0410

20-03-2008, 09:13 PM

No. i dont think the vessv comes with the deadlocks,was told by my salesman that they have a 2 stage locking device. 1st stage locks the doors and 2nd stage turns the alarm on.

Wonky

20-03-2008, 10:01 PM

Hi all,

I just tried locking my SSV as outlined above and I can still press the lock snib on the inside door handel and unlock the door.

If I press the remote lock button twice it doesn'f do anything.

I have just looked in the manual regarding security and it does not mention anything about deadlocking the car (atleast I couldnt find what page).

There is a feature to activate in the customise menu regarding having the vehicle chirp the horn on the second press of the remote lock button. Now if that means that the vehicle is now deadlocked?, it doesn't say in the manual.

Any other ideas?..

Cheers
Phil
Yeah, that fits with my experience too. I'm pretty sure there was a post on here months ago suggesting that the VE didn't have deadlocking and it explained why. I'll see if I can find it.

Found it but no explanation given after all. See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=1127142&#post1127142

HEXEM

20-03-2008, 11:03 PM

Thanks Wonky, (btw saw your video post of the exhaust system - loved it! :))

Just saved me going mad reading the Owners Manual.. I went and played with the customised options and selected the enable beep on second press of the remote lock.. I was still able to unlock the car from the inside.

So for the ones who were able to deadlock their SSV's (if that is what you have) could you please tell us where the instructions on how to do it are!...

As for the 2 stage remote lock/unlock... from the menu in the car and what it says in the owners manual there is only a single stage unlock which open all door or a 2 stage Unlock (drivers first then the rest)..

Cheers..
Phil

ScarFace

21-03-2008, 03:09 AM

I don't know about the AU version of the car, here in Saudi Arabia there is no dead locking....not even an alarm in my 57K $ CSV :eyes:

FYI all our dealers/spare parts shops are on back order for the rear triangle window just to see the amount of thefts....

Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=90904)

The spare costs 2333$....single black rim...without the tire...ouch
i'd rather order a set of GTS 20" from AU instead :jester:

The Lumina "was" a though car to break into....

VESportswagon20

21-03-2008, 07:26 AM

HEXEM

21-03-2008, 07:39 AM

Ok,

Just went and tried using the key in the key hole to see if it would deadlock the doors - Nope no luck.

Pressed the lock button on the remote after locking the car and held for up to 5 sec - No steady lighting from the indicators or any other indication.

I know with my wifes VY and my old trusty VTII SS that is how it goes.. Not doing it for my SSV..

Maybe I need to speak to my dealer and have the service guys enable the option with tech2?

Phil

black vxss

21-03-2008, 09:24 AM

Ok,
Just went and tried using the key in the key hole to see if it would deadlock the doors - Nope no luck.

Be patient - lock the car with the key (1 press of the button). Red padlock light on dash comes on. At this stage you can still unlock the doors from inside. Wait 15-20 secs and the padlock starts flashing - car is now deadlocked.

vicarious

21-03-2008, 09:42 AM

would it deadlock when you put you key and turn the barrel on the door handle?, i always thought to deadlock it you press the lock button twice on key

black vxss

21-03-2008, 09:58 AM

would it deadlock when you put you key and turn the barrel on the door handle?, i always thought to deadlock it you press the lock button twice on key

haven't tried the door lock but i guess it would. Old models you had to press twice but i tried it again this morning on the ve and it works on mine after 1 press.

quinny0410

21-03-2008, 10:27 AM

EpOcH

21-03-2008, 11:25 AM

has been standard on Commodores since at least the VS and most probably the VR. On the VS you locked the car with the remote and deadlocked it by turning the keyhole 180 degrees.

Yep thats how it worked on my VR , lock with remote key then put in hole rotate 90' and its deadlocked.

ajet85

21-03-2008, 12:10 PM

even try turning the key in the key hole twice to get it to be dead loacked

black vxss

21-03-2008, 12:46 PM

Mmmm,nope,there is no deadlocking on all Ve models,Ive tryed mine and guess what,no deadlocking.

even try turning the key in the key hole twice to get it to be dead loacked

What's your definition of deadlocking. Mine is when you lock the door then they can't be opened again from inside or out without the key. See post 20 above - works on my SSV.

370HSSV

21-03-2008, 01:14 PM

What's your definition of deadlocking. Mine is when you lock the door then they can't be opened again from inside or out without the key. See post 20 above - works on my SSV.

This also works on my SS and if you press the remote button twice it also "deadlocks" the car immediately. You can tell by the flashing lock symbol on your instrument panel..... this definately works, because i just tried it!! :)

ScarFace

21-03-2008, 10:31 PM

Since we are getting mixed up responses here

Deadlock = Cannot open the "lock" from inside no matter how hard you try.

Could you guys try deadlocking the car while the window is down or with someone inside the car and try to open it please ? just to confirm.... because the "blinking lights" means nothing at all....mine ...ahem...blinks too.

From this part of the world i've tested this method on:

2007 LS
2007 SS
2008 LTZ
2008 SS
and my 2008 CSV CR8......

Nope no dead locking....just will set the alarm off on the LTZ. (the only model with an alaram) that's about it.

Wonky

21-03-2008, 10:47 PM

Since we are getting mixed up responses here

Deadlock = Cannot open the "lock" from inside no matter how hard you try.

Yep, that's my understanding too. I'm sure mine doesn't deadlock like my VY and VZs did but will try to remember to double check tomorrow by leaving a window down and trying to release the door button after pressing Lock on the remote both once and twice and also trying to lock myself inside it.

Steve-LS2

21-03-2008, 11:28 PM

I tried this earlier (locking myself in the car) and it doesn't work so unless the car knows the key is inside it i will have to try with the window down.

The locking button on the door can be moved quite easily and the door can be opend from inside regardless of how long i press the button for or if the padlock light in the dash is flashing or not.

My wife's friends Astra opens and closes the electric windows if you hold the button on the key down for 5 seconds and dealdocks the car, maybe it was why the Commodore came down in price so much for this version.

Cheers

Steve

FLANGE-SSV

21-03-2008, 11:41 PM

Just tried my SS-V
Opened driver's window
Pressed button once
Could NOT unlock door from inside vehicle.

Wonky

21-03-2008, 11:49 PM

I tried this earlier (locking myself in the car) and it doesn't work so unless the car knows the key is inside it i will have to try with the window down.
That's what I thought which is why I said I'd have to try both ways (from outside car too). I too wondered whether the car's electronics could determine that the key was inside the car still.

My wife's friends Astra opens and closes the electric windows if you hold the button on the key down for 5 seconds and dealdocks the car, maybe it was why the Commodore came down in price so much for this version.
Commodores have never had that AFAIK.

Steve-LS2

21-03-2008, 11:53 PM

Just tried my SS-V
Opened driver's window
Pressed button once
Could NOT unlock door from inside vehicle.

Did you try unlocking the button on the inside of the car first?

I'm pretty sure if i did the same without unlocking the door manually i wouldn't be able to open it either. :confused:

370HSSV

22-03-2008, 12:39 AM

I locked myself in my car yesterday and NO MATTER WHAT I DID i could not get out without pressing the unlock button on my REMOTE.
Press the lock button on your remote to lock the car and observe the lock symbol on the instrument cluster, it should be a solid illuminated symbol. Press the lock button on your remote again and the symbol should now be flashing.
This means the car is deadlocked (weather you are in the car or not).
Try unlocking the doors with the center console unlock button and it wont let you out, it also wont allow you to unlock the door lock manually either.
Hope this clears things up.... unless there has been a change in the design since mine was built in nov. 2006. :confused:

black vxss

22-03-2008, 08:47 AM

unless there has been a change in the design since mine was built in nov. 2006. :confused:

Same mine was Dec-06 build at it works. no way out without the key...

hithere

22-03-2008, 02:43 PM

SSV366

22-03-2008, 04:11 PM

VE Model: SSV ute
Year of manufacturer: Nov 2007
Deadlock: yes.

Wonky

22-03-2008, 07:08 PM

I didn't realise this thread will cause so much issues. To settle this once and for all, if you don't have VE, don't post please (guessing doesn't help).

Also, for those of you who own VE, can you post the following... I am worried that it may have been scrapped by the Holden accountants.

VE Model: (eg. SS)
Year of manufacturer: (eg. Sep 2007) - If you don't know, state model year
Deadlock: (eg Yes, have it / No, don't have)

Let's see if there is a pattern!
Don't worry about causing issues - I'm someone who likes to know answers. I double checked mine today and I thought and stated earlier in the thread I couldn't get it to deadlock with double clicking the Lock button on the remote from either inside or outside the car. Either way I could still release the lock knob on the inside of the door and open the door. All that happened then is the horn gave a series of short beeps not very loudly then beeped longer and louder i.e. the alarm went off!

SSV
Built Feb 07
No deadlock as far as I can tell.

I guess when all else fails someone is just gonna have to RTFM!! :lol:

ss350ute

22-03-2008, 08:20 PM

Just tried my SSV no matter how many times i pressed the lock button on my key the doors just locked and was able to unlock them from inside (at first I thought that mine deadlocked, but quickly realised that you push the lock to unlock it :doh:).
The sales gent at Robina Holden said that the feature was removed because of the chance of kids being locked in the car on prior models, dont know if what he said is true, but does sound fair enough.

2006 SSV

HEXEM

22-03-2008, 09:12 PM

Just went and sat in the car tonight.

locked the doors using the remote.
Waited for the little lock indicator on the instrument panel to go from steady to flashing.
Pressed the lock button on the inside door leaver and bingo, was able to Unlock the door!.

While still sitting in the car, all windows up. Pressed the lock button on the remote twice, the only thing I noticed was I didnt have to wait for the little lock indicator on the instrument panel to start flashing as it went straight to flashing.

What I have found is that the single click delayed flashing is the time delay while the system checks to make sure all doors, bonnet, boot etc is closed before arming the system.

My Vehicle - Jan 2007 VE SSV
From what I can tell, no deadlocking ability..

Phil

SJA

22-03-2008, 10:13 PM

08 SSV ute.
Went and tried it tonight, and it definately has deadlocking.
First i didnt wait untill the lock indicator on the dash started flashing and i could open the door from inside, only by the console unlock button. Then i waited till the lock indicator started to flash and then for the interior lights around the head unit to go out just to make sure, and locked in, only way out was with the key.

hithere

22-03-2008, 10:48 PM

This is crazy!! What is going on here?

Wazza

23-03-2008, 12:45 AM

Yes, there is deadlocking on all VE Commodores and deadlocking has been standard on Commodores since at least the VS and most probably the VR. On the VS you locked the car with the remote and deadlocked it by turning the keyhole 180 degrees. From the VT onwards its by pressing the key lock button twice, On the second press (or actually even holding the button in for say 2 seconds) you will find the indicators stay on for about 2 seconds instead of just being a flash. 2 Stage unlocking has also been around since at least the VS as well.

Deadlocking was standard on VPs as well. My VP Berlina, a mates VP S Ute and a VP Exec all had it, so im pretty sure it was a standard feature.

Interesting note too, a mate has an early VT and the deadlocking on that is the same as VS ie 2x lock on remote *won't* deadlock it, but key in the lock will deadlock it. Found that quite strange because i thought the 2x lock for deadlock was a VT onwards thing :S

HEXEM

23-03-2008, 07:14 AM

2 stage deadlocking using the remote was introducted during the VT range but not untill the series 2. Some of the more up market car like Calais may have had the option in series 1.

I had a VT SS Series 2 which would remote deadlock the cars doors by pressing the remotes lock button twice. The car external indicators would light up steady and you couldnt manualy lift the button on top of the door.

Seems like some VE SSV owners here might have a little extra.

I wonder if the deadlocking ability is just something that can be activated via TECH2. Which might explain the differences being discussed.

Maybe someone who can (deadlock their car) could do a short video file of the deadlocking process, demonstrating their inability to unlock the car using the little button next to the inside door open leaver.

Edit: Heres another thing. Those of us SSV owners who have had PCM software updates maybe the reason the vehicle will not deadlock (might have been removed from the new program) just a thought..

Mondayitus

23-03-2008, 09:46 AM

Be patient - lock the car with the key (1 press of the button). Red padlock light on dash comes on. At this stage you can still unlock the doors from inside. Wait 15-20 secs and the padlock starts flashing - car is now deadlocked.

Tried - Failed. Somethign i did note though... that little red light in my dash, is allways flashing when the car is turned off.

Since we are getting mixed up responses here

Deadlock = Cannot open the "lock" from inside no matter how hard you try.

Could you guys try deadlocking the car while the window is down or with someone inside the car and try to open it please ? just to confirm.... because the "blinking lights" means nothing at all....mine ...ahem...blinks too.

tried locking twice from key, no dead lock... can not do it with window down because i have the security upgrade which puts my windows up when i lock the car. however - my brother proved an able assistant and i got to lock him in my car :P

holding the lock button for many seconds, didnt do anything.

locking it then waiting for it didnt do anything, double locking and waiting didnt do anything.

One thing i did take a note of though, if you double lock it you can not use hte unlock button on the center console. (the one near the power windows)

SSV
FEB 2008
NO DEADLOCK

OMEGA V
SEP 2006
NO DEADLOCK

BF FALCON MK2 XT
JAN 2007
DEADLOCKS

The flacon is unrelated to this but, its pointed to the story about the kids in the car, if it where that important I think Ford would be one of the first to take a cost cut.

SSV366

23-03-2008, 10:46 AM

One thing i did take a note of though, if you double lock it you can not use hte unlock button on the center console. (the one near the power windows)

That is deadlocked then, or can you still unlock it by the door lock?

This is crazy!! What is going on here?

The only pattern i can see so far is the utes have it and the sedans dont??

redvess

23-03-2008, 01:16 PM

I double checked mine today and I thought and stated earlier in the thread I couldn't get it to deadlock with double clicking the Lock button on the remote from either inside or outside the car. Either way I could still release the lock knob on the inside of the door and open the door. All that happened then is the horn gave a series of short beeps not very loudly then beeped longer and louder i.e. the alarm went off!

Checked mine the other night and got the same result no deadlocking and still able to unlock the doors with the button next to the handle on the inside no matter what method I tried and kept triggering the alarm

SS
Sept 06

Mondayitus

23-03-2008, 05:03 PM

That is deadlocked then, or can you still unlock it by the door lock?

Can still unlock it at the door just not the centre console

SSV366

23-03-2008, 06:27 PM

Can still unlock it at the door just not the centre console

Thats strange i can not move the lock on the door, locked or unlocked it will not move i have to use the remote or the controls in the centre consol.

Mondayitus

23-03-2008, 06:59 PM

Thats strange i can not move the lock on the door, locked or unlocked it will not move i have to use the remote or the controls in the centre consol.

Yeh in my omega i had, it was like that... the locks would move but they are not easy... I thought of something though... if hteyre smashing the back quaterglass, maybe he could try child lock? its not helpful if you carry a lot of passangers but... its a suggestion.

BruceSS

23-03-2008, 10:54 PM

re post # 47
Same with mine -
even when padlock flashing
can still unlock door with button on door - but triggers alarm

SS
October 07

Wonky

23-03-2008, 10:57 PM

Thats strange i can not move the lock on the door, locked or unlocked it will not move i have to use the remote or the controls in the centre consol.
I'm not having a go at you but are you sure you are moving it the right way? I hardly ever manually use the locks and when I was testing things out the other day as per one of my previous posts I thought to myself "Hey, it is deadlocked!" - then realised I was trying to move the knob the wrong way..... :doh:

Damn! Forgot to say that I did a very unblokey thing today and actually RTFM (read the $&@! manual :D). I went right through section 3 on locking and did not see one mention of deadlocking! I don't believe I missed any as read it twice.

ScarFace

24-03-2008, 12:47 AM

CSV CR8 : 57,000 AUD
Car wash : 10 AUD
Newly burned MP3 collection CD : 0.50 AUD

The look on my face after walking away from the car while clicking the remote twice and being sure it's DEADLOCKED just to find out it was broken into 20 min after........ : Priceless !

I noticed today that the lock handle on the door is way too soft/cheap which convince me that it's a change of hardware rather than a disabled feature in the car's software...maybe i am wrong though.

By the way, when you google "holden ve deadlock" you will get this page as the 1st result...... let's find what's going on and earn that 1st place.

Wonky

24-03-2008, 01:17 AM

Interesting! Just found http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/holden_ve_commodore_omega_car_review.htm which under the heading of Security says (for 2006 VE Omega)

"Keyless entry, remote central locking with deadlock, and an engine immobiliser is standard on the Omega. Its security rating has improved compared to the previous model; it receives a rating of 75."

If it was a newspaper or magazine I'd figure they were just guessing or assuming, but one would hope the NRMA was better than that........ Aren't they? :confused:

KaiserM715

24-03-2008, 07:56 AM

I just checked my G8 (VE, built in 11/07). Pressed the locked button twice. Padlock icon solid display on dash. The unlock button in the center console unlocked the car. When I waited for the padlock icon to go from solid to blinking (after 15-20 seconds) after pressing the lock button twice, the unlock button on the center console did not unlock the car.

NickS

24-03-2008, 08:16 AM

SS-V
Early 2007 ???

Definately NO deadlock ... tried everything, was always able to flick the door lock and just open the door.

:confused:

I'll try the GTS when I get home, it makes a VERY different sound when you press the button a 2nd time ... pretty sure it is deadlocking.

Have we stumbled across another cost cutting measure ?

Holdendriver

24-03-2008, 09:39 AM

I'm not having a go at you but are you sure you are moving it the right way? I hardly ever manually use the locks and when I was testing things out the other day as per one of my previous posts I thought to myself "Hey, it is deadlocked!" - then realised I was trying to move the knob the wrong way..

VE SS Ute
Feb 2008
NO deadlocks.

I had them yesterday, but after reading Wonky's post this morning they
disappeared!:rofl:

If you think you still have them, re-read his post!
Seriously, they are gone. As someone else mentioned, I have heard a kid safety thing.
There is no mention of deadlocks in ANY of their bookwork, online, drivers manual glossy brochures, nothing. Every previous model has had it written everywhere.
Another thing, we are talking about deadbolts here, all previous models that had it, both manual by key or the later by remote only, made an audible mechanical noise as the deadbolt locked, you could clearly hear it.
There is NO noise after waiting 15 secs for the dash light to change.

HEXEM

24-03-2008, 09:44 AM

SS V8 - NRMA Car Review - May 2007

Security
The SS Commodore has keyless entry, remote central locking with deadlocking, and an engine immobiliser. Security has improved over the old model. The SS gets an NRMA Insurance security rating of 75 out of 120.

Very Interesting. I think NRMA may have made a mistake when stating the above. I am looking through my Holden vehicle brochure I got from the dealer when buying my car. Towards the back of the brochure is the section 'Features' it does not mention deadlocking is the Security section.

I would attach a PDF of the pages from the brochure but I am unable to attach anything, even a picture!. Not enough privliges I guess..

I am going to contact a mate a Holden and get the low down on this... "I want deadlocking" LOL....

Cheers
Phil

HEXEM

24-03-2008, 09:44 AM

removed... somehow posted twice?..

SSV366

24-03-2008, 10:13 AM

ITROCS

24-03-2008, 01:04 PM

hithere

24-03-2008, 04:03 PM

NickS

24-03-2008, 05:08 PM

Sat in my SSV 07-pressed lock once on key and she locked and I couldn't unlock from inside with either door switch or unlock button on console. Guess I have deadlocking.
I didn't wait any time either-just hoped in and tried.

Peter..

Just tried it in my Nov 2006 GTS ... NO DEADLOCKING.

Now I'm convinced you guys are doing it wrong ... the centre console buttons won't work but the door WILL unlock. Are you sure you are pushing the buttons the right way ? I don't see how a 2006 model GTS can have no dead locking but your 2007 SS-V can ???

:confused:

Wonky

24-03-2008, 05:43 PM

It is looking more and more like there is no deadlocking/deadbolt in VE! VE is going backwards!! :bawl: Do you think Holden can cut cost so much that it starts to feel cheap and nasty? ...I haven' even taken the delivery of the car and I already feel hard done by not having the deadlock!!

I am sure I read over a year ago, as some people have mentioned on here too, that it was done as a safety issue i.e. to stop kids locking themselves in then panicking and not being able to get out. I don't see it as much of a security feature really - anyone who is serious about stealing your car will just break a window to get in and out anyway.

Just tried it in my Nov 2006 GTS ... NO DEADLOCKING.

Now I'm convinced you guys are doing it wrong ... the centre console buttons won't work but the door WILL unlock. Are you sure you are pushing the buttons the right way ? I don't see how a 2006 model GTS can have no dead locking but your 2007 SS-V can ???

:confused:

Yeah, I suspect now that possibly those who think the buttons on the door won't unlock it when it is "deadlocked" are doing as some of us here did and pushing them the wrong way.

ITROCS

24-03-2008, 09:11 PM

I am sure I read over a year ago, as some people have mentioned on here too, that it was done as a safety issue i.e. to stop kids locking themselves in then panicking and not being able to get out. I don't see it as much of a security feature really - anyone who is serious about stealing your car will just break a window to get in and out anyway.

Yeah, I suspect now that possibly those who think the buttons on the door won't unlock it when it is "deadlocked" are doing as some of us here did and pushing them the wrong way.

Just checked again-I do have deadlocking as I sat in car pressed lock once and could open from inside/pressed twice and could not open door-I am doing it right as I opened door with one press of the key thingy and with two press of the key thingy couldn't open door. Wifes Astra is the same-Maybe as it was a demo it had extras-Ha Ha.

big_block_hg

24-03-2008, 09:40 PM

VE SSV '07
Much to my surprise.. NO Deadlocks!!! :vpo:

Wonky

24-03-2008, 09:42 PM

Just checked again-I do have deadlocking as I sat in car pressed lock once and could open from inside/pressed twice and could not open door-I am doing it right as I opened door with one press of the key thingy and with two press of the key thingy couldn't open door. Wifes Astra is the same-Maybe as it was a demo it had extras-Ha Ha.

In that case, who knows? Seems some have and some haven't..... :confused: What build date is yours Peter? I know it says above that it's 2007, but what month?

ITROCS

24-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Sorry-mines a Sept 06 not a 07-tried to edit thread but couldn't. Maybe as it's one of the 1st built it has it..

Peter.

VESS06

24-03-2008, 10:04 PM

late '06 SS - Yes to deadlocking. Cannot unlock from door button or centre console after two key depress. Incidentally, when the key is pressed the second time you can hear the deadlocks engaging.

ITROCS

24-03-2008, 10:13 PM

late '06 SS - Yes to deadlocking. Cannot unlock from door button or centre console after two key depress. Incidentally, when the key is pressed the second time you can hear the deadlocks engaging.

Spot on VESS06-on the 2nd press I to can hear the deadlock engaging like the wifes astra does-maybe only on 06 builds.

Peter.

Wonky

25-03-2008, 01:56 AM

Spot on VESS06-on the 2nd press I to can hear the deadlock engaging like the wifes astra does-maybe only on 06 builds.

Peter.
I can't hear any significant difference between presses on mine. 2nd press is almost a softer version of the first, as though it is just double checking that the doors are locked and finds they are.

VXS

25-03-2008, 06:30 AM

VE SS Sedan
March 2007
YES to Deadlocks.

Centre console switch & doors WILL NOT unlock if remote pressed twice.

Steve-LS2

25-03-2008, 06:41 AM

VE SS Sedan
March 2007
YES to Deadlocks.

Centre console switch & doors WILL NOT unlock if remote pressed twice.

Jan '08 build SSV, this doesn't happen.

If the earlier models have it, it must have been deleted.

NickS

25-03-2008, 07:09 AM

VE SS Sedan
March 2007
YES to Deadlocks.

Centre console switch & doors WILL NOT unlock if remote pressed twice.

This is what I don't get ... mine was built 5 months BEFORE yours and it has no deadlocks ???

Very weird ... :confused:

big_block_hg

25-03-2008, 07:52 AM

VE SSV
May '07
Definitely No Deadlocks

ScarFace

25-03-2008, 08:15 AM

Request for a final test by the people who have or think they might have deadlocking...please bare with me..so we all know for sure and start digging for a way to convert our locks .....

Forget the "sound" of locking...
Ignore the "Lock" symbol in dash....
just lock twice and try to unlock the door using the lock knob on the door itself...try to push it in all directions...

guess the "lock" symbol represents the alarm being triggerd on and that's about it.

Thanks for everyone who took a moment of their time to help other gear heads on this forum.

boyley

25-03-2008, 08:58 AM

Is it too early for thread of the year noms:rofl:

This is gold:bow:

Jman

25-03-2008, 09:11 AM

Ok, I will buy into this discussion.

Mine =
HSV Clubsport
Build date Nov 06

Mine IS able to be deadlocked. On press of lock button a second time there is a definite second "clunk" as the locks deadlock along with a second flash of the lights. From the inside I definitely can NOT open the doors either using the unlock button on the centre console or the door latch.

On the subject, the warning light on the dash will stay a constant illumination for 30 seconds immediately after locking then starts flashing. On reading the users manual more carefully all this means is that when it starts flashing the vehicles alarm becomes armed.

I'm wondering that if Holden have deleted the deadlocking feature for saftey purposes, if I need a reflash for whatever reason, will this disable my ability to deadlock the doors.

Perhaps somebody from Holden service dept could shed some light?

big_block_hg

25-03-2008, 09:14 AM

Is there a setting in the "customise" options of the trip computer that activates / de-activates this feature?

Jman

25-03-2008, 09:32 AM

Is there a setting in the "customise" options of the trip computer that activates / de-activates this feature?

Nope. Only really the two stage unlock feature, the horn beeps and auto lock and unlock.

Noithing about deadlocks in the customse options.

carneb

25-03-2008, 09:47 AM

Just checked my Sept 06 build Calais V. Can't unlock via the button on the centre console but can unlock from the door latch. No deadlocking.

Jman

25-03-2008, 10:34 AM

Just checked my Sept 06 build Calais V. Can't unlock via the button on the centre console but can unlock from the door latch. No deadlocking.

Have you had the car in for any warranty issues? Computer reflash ect??

SS Enforcer

25-03-2008, 10:59 AM

Hmm

VE SS 06 build ...... No deadlock alarmed only.

I had a read of the drivers handbook and there was no info regarding deadlocking ability.
I thought it would have had a deadlock feature and never bothered even checking it out.
Even my old 91 stato had deadlocking.

cheers

boyley

25-03-2008, 11:33 AM

This is the write-up the NRMA gave the VE security...........

Security
Keyless entry, remote central locking with deadlock, and an engine immobiliser is standard on the Omega.

Its security rating has improved compared to the previous model; it receives a rating of 75.

I wonder if there is an electronic glitch in the security system that is causing some vehicles to present no dead-lock feature?

carneb

25-03-2008, 01:01 PM

Have you had the car in for any warranty issues? Computer reflash ect??

I've had a warranty reflash done because of flat batteries.

Wonky

25-03-2008, 02:31 PM

At my 3,000km inspection because I had tune just in case I specifically requested no flashes for anything, including the BCM problem as I have had no issues with flat batteries. I know the service guys there very well and am sure my request would have been honoured. It has only been there that once since delivery. Mine is Feb 07 build, no deadlocks.

mac06

25-03-2008, 03:50 PM

Had a look at two different vehicles, one was a 01/07 compliance and the other a 01/08 compliance.

The 01/07 had the "sound" normally associated with deadlocking when the lock button was pressed twice and the red "locked" light started flashing immediately that was done. All this did was to power down the console unlocking switch and arm the alarm. The vehicle can still be opened by unlocking the snib on the door. Remember this has to be pushed in to unlock, not pulled out.

The 01/08 didn't have the "sound" associated with deadlocking when the lock button was pushed twice and the red "locked" light didn't start flashing for 30 seconds, meaning the alarm wasn't activated for 30 seconds and the power to the unlocking switch on the console still worked for that short time.

In summary, there is no longer deadlocking since VE came out, perhaps as a safety feature for little kids in the car. If the car is unlocked without pushing the unlock button on the key, then the alarm goes off. Maybe this is the compensation for no longer having deadlocking?

AFAIK if you have a VZ or prior and it is deadlocked using the remote, then by putting upward pressure on the snib for around 30 seconds will also unlock the car. Perhaps those with the VZ or earlier can try this and report back.

VX11SS

25-03-2008, 04:25 PM

sept 06 build r8 definately sounds like two stage locking/deadlock, tried to unlock from inside on center console, will not open with key pressed twice9 but will if key ony pressed once) or when PULLING the unlock button, hmm thought I must have deadlock, NO you actually need to push the unlock button (above door lever). I think people are assuming that the lock button pulls outwards, it does not! it actually sort of rolls into the door.
I bet if you all go and try this you will find your door lever then engages whether with one key push or two

Cheers
Jay

Edit soz Mac 06 I misread your post, you explained push in as well.

black vxss

25-03-2008, 05:03 PM

Apologies - i have no deadlocks. :doh::bash:

I retried it with the passenger doors the lock switch moves easily. The drivers door which I had tried previously takes more force but when i put some effort into it it did unlock.

HEXEM

25-03-2008, 05:36 PM

OK guys,

I contacted my mate at holden today and 4 other dealership regarding the deadlocking ability in the VE commodore range.

The VE commodore does "NOT" have deadlocking. It was confirmed by sales and service areas I also contact Holden Customer Service and they to advised that the deadlocking function was removed in all VE models.

(This referes to the ability to unlock the door using the lock nib next to the leaver on the door which you use to open the door. When sitting in the vehicle the lock nip is just above the leaver and pivits "Forwad" (do not pull the button to you) towards the dash. Not in the direction to where you are sitting. When you push the nib it should sort of roll forward and you will see the little Red marker which indicates the door is unlock, the leave to open the door will no work)

"I would post pics to demonstrate but I am unable to"

I was advised that this was do to the increase in engine immobiliser technology being superior to the previous models and with the introduction of the alarm function.

(nothing mentioned about locking children in the car from a safty aspect).

Cheers

Wonky

25-03-2008, 05:45 PM

Thanks VE-SSV. That makes sense! As I pointed out first in this thread it would seem that those who think their car is deadlocking are trying to move the locking snib in the wrong direction (as I myself initially did :doh:).

By coincidence I went into my dealer today and asked one of the service guys there. Unfortunately he couldn't give me a definitive answer.......

boyley

25-03-2008, 06:15 PM

so how do you explain the owners who are experiencing the positive lock sound when the key is pressed twice?

mac06

25-03-2008, 06:19 PM

so how do you explain the owners who are experiencing the positive lock sound when the key is pressed twice?

See post #87

HEXEM

25-03-2008, 06:33 PM

It might be making the sound similar, only way to be sure is to get in the car when it is locked and try the actions I mentioned earlier..

boyley

25-03-2008, 06:40 PM

See post #87

Mac, see post 90 mate then see 87 again

hithere

25-03-2008, 09:11 PM

Okay... so it appears it is 'official'... VE = No Deadlock! :flipoff:

big_block_hg

25-03-2008, 09:20 PM

Well.... That sux arse!

Big_Valven

25-03-2008, 09:21 PM

I knew that from the start, the VEs do not have door lock motors with a reversal (deadlock) mechanism and don't have a compatible BCM or anything.

Brandonsdad

25-03-2008, 09:32 PM

so how do you explain the owners who are experiencing the positive lock sound when the key is pressed twice?

Maybe if you press it ten times it will still make that sound, forever.

ScarFace

26-03-2008, 12:18 AM

Since it is confirmed.....

At least for people who park their cars outside, here is a small tip, use the safety lock feature on the back doors because usually a thief will break the rear triangle window to gain access to unlock the rear door... so at least you have like 20% chance..this is sad really

A car without any type of security at this price tag is kinda lame don't you think ?

Wonky

26-03-2008, 12:25 AM

A car without any type of security at this price tag is kinda lame don't you think ?

As stated a number of times in the preceding posts, if you do have the car locked and someone gets into it then opens the door without using the remote the alarm will sound, so you can't say there is not any security.

so how do you explain the owners who are experiencing the positive lock sound when the key is pressed twice?

See also post #71. Sorry but don't really know why you are buying into it given you don't appear to have a VE to try it on yourself??? :confused: As someone else said, you could press the remote lock button till the cows come home (or in the case of the VE till the battery goes flat :D) and it will keep on making the locking noise.

ScarFace

26-03-2008, 01:18 AM

Wonky, mate :) the ME version of the HSV E-Clubsport (CSV R8) does not have an Alarm system.

Wonky

26-03-2008, 01:36 AM

Wonky, mate :) the ME version of the HSV E-Clubsport (CSV R8) does not have an Alarm system.
:shock: How come? You must all be an honest lot over there!! :)

ScarFace

26-03-2008, 01:44 AM

Yeah soooooo honest i'd tell you my account number if you ask for it :P

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/40059/2133063280102891042S600x600Q85.jpg

Nah, like any other place around the world...there must be 5% scum to make the rest suffer lol

ITROCS

26-03-2008, 11:25 AM

NO DEADLOCKING!!!:bawl: TO MUCH OF :beer: WHEN CHECKING..

chillicatqld

26-03-2008, 11:39 AM

[QUOTE=Wonky;1182415]As stated a number of times in the preceding posts, if you do have the car locked and someone gets into it then opens the door without using the remote the alarm will sound, so you can't say there is not any security.

Yes but how often do people these days actually investigate when they hear a car alarm go off? I would say "none".
We hear an alarm go off and just think that the moron has set it off themselves... :1peek:

HEXEM

26-03-2008, 04:24 PM

[QUOTE=ScarFace;1182410]Since it is confirmed.....

"At least for people who park their cars outside, here is a small tip, use the safety lock feature on the back doors because usually a thief will break the rear triangle window to gain access to unlock the rear door... so at least you have like 20% chance..this is sad really"

I like this one... all the theif need do is break the window mentioned, flip the lock nib on the inside of the door and open the door from the outside... :rofl:

Good thought though.. had me thinking for a minute....

Cheers
Phil

Mondayitus

26-03-2008, 04:46 PM

good point...

Brandonsdad

26-03-2008, 06:30 PM

ScarFace

27-03-2008, 01:06 AM

I like this one... all the theif need do is break the window mentioned, flip the lock nib on the inside of the door and open the door from the outside...

Good thought though.. had me thinking for a minute....

Cheers
Phil

That's why i said "20% chance", you never know maybe he's stupid :)

But if think that's funny ? Here is the real fun, break the window, reach with your hand inside, flip the middle seat then pull the yellow wire and you won a spear tire !

What's pissing me off is not just that, it's that the VE is already known for being an easy car to break into even if you install an alarm you will pay for the window over and over....unlike my old VX they knew it's impossible so they didnt even bother.... got my point ?

COSMOS

27-03-2008, 07:20 AM

Sept 07 Calais V6 - push key fob twice and alarm light flashes in dash. Cannot unlock door from central unlock button. CAN unlock latch on the door handle itself and when I open the door the alarm goes off.

NO DEADLOCKING

BruceSS

27-03-2008, 09:13 PM

Here is an interesting situation.
After more testing I found this:

With key in ignition press lock button on key - doors lock and can't open with door snib.

So there we have it - for total security leave key in ignition, leave window down and reach in and press lock button on key and walk away knowing car is deadlocked !

Mondayitus

27-03-2008, 10:00 PM

LMFAO! I think that defeats the purpose of having deadlocks, someone would just smash your window and take your entire car instead of your spare wheel!

plus the snib pushes in not pulls out, keep that in mind while your playing with it. Also I found if you have it set to lock doors while driving/out of park, you can not use the snib to unlock them.

BruceSS

27-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Yes you are correct - forget what I said - the missus was using the snib the wrong way.
That's what you get for believing a woman on anything to do with cars without checking.

Sorry

PeterS

28-03-2008, 07:18 AM

CSP

28-03-2008, 01:30 PM

Non of any of this really matters. If someone is a decent car theif they'll just take it with a flat bed truck. Any novice or amature thieves will target something eaiser to steal or just go for a smash and grab.

The best solution is a silent alarm that tracks the car's location and calls you when it's been stolen :D You can chose to disable it remotely while you call the Police and let them know exactly where it is! When disabling it, it doesn't just shut it off, it simulates running out of fuel. The reasoning is even a thief will pull off the side of the road when they think they're running out of fuel rather than just shutting it off in the middle of the road.

Cost me $1400 plus $10 a month for a prepaid sim card...

Ned_Flanders666

28-03-2008, 05:36 PM

Obviously I would rather the f*ckwits leave the car alone, but a replacing a quarter glass is better than having your door lock raped causing panel and key lock damage.

vicarious

28-03-2008, 06:26 PM

2008 ve sv6 ute- no deadlocking

SprogtaSSV

04-02-2010, 10:21 PM

What's your definition of deadlocking. Mine is when you lock the door then they can't be opened again from inside or out without the key. See post 20 above - works on my SSV.

I tried all above methods old and new no matter what you can still flick the door lock latch next to the handle and open the door, however the internal lock unlock remote button remains inoperable.

Xenon

04-02-2010, 10:53 PM

I can deadlock my WL with no problems. Its a great feature, I deadlock then crack my window on hot days so I dont burn my butt on the leather :)

mikeparkinson

04-02-2010, 10:56 PM

I tried all above methods old and new no matter what you can still flick the door lock latch next to the handle and open the door, however the internal lock unlock remote button remains inoperable.

Did you try with the window down..

Open the door first and shut it again so the BCM thinks you have stepped out of the car.. lock the doors again (keyless) and then reaching through the open window try flipping the latch next to the handle..

tezzastreasures

05-02-2010, 03:11 PM

add this to the solution. hsvi stage 2 alarm upgrade. interior motion sensors to detect any movement inside. stops them even putting their arms in to start with and also has tilt sensor to keep the wheels where they should be and prevent towing away. has a siren that will wake the dead too. well worth the $600 for piece of mind. just put it in the poison ivy e2. works a treat.:goodjob::goodjob::goodjob::goodjob::goodjob :

SprogtaSSV

08-02-2010, 06:45 PM

Did you try with the window down..

Open the door first and shut it again so the BCM thinks you have stepped out of the car.. lock the doors again (keyless) and then reaching through the open window try flipping the latch next to the handle..

It doesn't matter how you try it believe me i've tried any way possible to get them to deadlock. It's simple just another feature that has been removed from the VE range. If you can get yours to work post a video or some proof.
Remember the locking snib on the door rolls back into the door not outward towards the drivers seat like you would expect.

mac06

08-02-2010, 06:54 PM

Wonky

08-02-2010, 08:36 PM

The VE definitely does NOT have deadlocking. The simple reason for this is to stop people (kiddies) being locked in the car and not able to get out. It's a safety reason not a security reason for the deletion of deadlocking as a feature.

+1 :goodjob:

Was mentioned almost a year ago (post #64) and even earlier. Don't know why the arguments continue .......... :confused:

If you can get yours to work post a video or some proof.

+1

steves87

09-02-2010, 08:51 AM

bought my car on 06.feb 2010.... asked the dealer... answer was a flat out "NO"...
a good feature to have but it was a little buggy in my VT calais and vy...

VX2VESS

09-02-2010, 09:56 AM

Maybe this will help..

No Deadlocks on the VE

PS, Reminds me to remember to turn off auto lock, i keep forgetting to do that, keep getting locked in...

Wonky

09-02-2010, 04:08 PM

PS, Reminds me to remember to turn off auto lock, i keep forgetting to do that, keep getting locked in...

:lol::lol::lol:

steve_t

09-02-2010, 06:40 PM

Maybe this will help..

No Deadlocks on the VE

PS, Reminds me to remember to turn off auto lock, i keep forgetting to do that, keep getting locked in...

I turned mine off when I got it but then saw the news about that lady in Oz that got carjacked and a knife held to her baby's throat!! Was thinking about turning it back on!

Wonky

09-02-2010, 11:20 PM

I turned mine off when I got it but then saw the news about that lady in Oz that got carjacked and a knife held to her baby's throat!! Was thinking about turning it back on!

Methinks you're confusing lock while driving with deadlocking - two totally different things!! If you can turn on deadlocking we'd all like to know how! :yup: