VY SS II or not?

[jsk]

Hi, I brought a VY SS II built july 03 a couple of months ago from a dealer and i just went to get some parts for servicing it and the guy was telling me that its a series1.Is there any distinctive changes to look for between the series1 and series2 and what month did holden start series 2.Thinking the dealer may have steared me wrong.

[Dickie Knee]

Check the vin number

If the last digits are after 4L156716 it's series 2

[BigAl83]

Could be a silly ? but does it have series II badges?

[Dickie Knee]

Could be a silly ? but does it have series II badges?

and at RRP$ 12.10 they make a great upgrade. :jester:

[BigAl83]

and at RRP$ 12.10 they make a great upgrade.

This ad was brought to yo by the No. 1 and the letter H :)

Also good for shonky car dealers trying to make a few extra $.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Dickie Knee]

This ad was brought to yo by the No. 1 and the letter H :)

Also good for shonky car dealers trying to make a few extra $.

Sorry I forgot to put a J/K smilie at the end.

Edit fixed

[ti0350]

The Series II VY came out in August 2003..
How many kw does it have the S1 is 235 the S2 is 245kw.. :hide:
Seriously apart from the badges Do you have cloth seats if so what pattern is on them the S1 had a triangle pattern the S2 has a square pattern..
The badge on the grill is silver on the S1 and chrome on the S2...
For the S2 the front lower bar is body colour and the upper bar is blacked out, also has a strut brace..
The steering wheel should also be different on the S1 the steering wheel rim is thin and rounded while the wheel on the is thicker around the rim and has a thumb rest.
Check this thread out Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=78064)

Cheers,

Wayne

[gonzo_88]

Some of the VY Ser.II SS's also came with LEATHER TRIM & CLIMATE CONTROL, and from memory the Ser.II should also come with 18" alloys (think the Ser.I only came with 17's)!!! I thought they started manufacturing the Ser.II in September 2003? but I stand to be corrected of course!!!

[ti0350]

i could be wrong with when they started making them I went by what redbook says I know mines a Sept 03..

[*VYSuper6*]

hey mate,

if you want to pursue it that much, and you are that annoyed, i believe you are able to get your money back. there is a post on here somewhere (something to do with funny dealer stories that i couldnt find atm) where a guy bought a car being told it was a 1985, like 1 year and 16000km later (i think) when he went to trade the car in somewhere, he was told it was a 1983. so he got a lawyer, went back to the dealer shop and got a full refund on the basis of misrepresentation ( i dont really know but this word sounds right). so if you have a dig around here you might find it.

other than that...ways to tell. if you have cloth seats, it is easier to tell apart...refer here.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=94347&highlight=VY+SS+II

other wise in the other picture there is a series 1 (green) and series 2 (red) and if you look closely, the black strip on the front bumper is in a different place.

hope this helps mate.

cheers

[Wonky]

Unfortunately all the differences pointed out so far between series I and series 2 are cosmetic and very easy to change. The only way to know for sure is to check the VIN as Dickie said above. If the VIN has been fudged too then you have big problems, not that most people would be able to tell......

[Buckd1ch]

You could also check if it had the strut brace (not sure of the exact name sorry) that goes across the engine bay towards the back of the bay. Although i am sure its possible to put one of these on anyway. Just a thought.

Tim

[Wonky]

Yeah, strut brace is about $50 and easy to add.

[Micks]

As mentioned the build date if not the VIN will pick it. Anyhow just ask Davo he'll tell ya theres f**k all diff between the series.

Cheers
VYT

[planetdavo]

VY Series 2 was pretty much just the intoduction of an emission upgrade, the visible sign of which was the cat convertors moving up near the manifolds on a stock motor. Holden did a few minor running changes, but hardly any real newsworthy stuff...

[boyley]

Series II: August 2003 - August 2004

[dgp]

If you have leather interior it WILL have climate control if it is series 2. The bolts for the strut brace are welded in place on series 2, on the series 1 there are no bolts.

[boyley]

Major changes introduced with the Series II include: A new high-output GEN III 5.7 litre V8 engine, producing peak power of 245kW @ 5,600rpm, is now specified on Commodore SS sedan, SS Ute, and SV8. Holden Calais and Berlina models benefit from a GEN III V8 power boost to 235kW @ 5,200rpm. ECOTEC V6, Supercharged V6 and GEN III V8 powerplants are engineered to meet strict new emission level requirements. 245kW V8s gain additional frontal rigidity from a strut brace mounted to the strut towers and spanning the engine bay.

All models feature fresh, individual interior trim treatments. Convenience and comfort features such as cruise control, front power windows and adjustable front seat lumbar support are now standard across the range, and a sunglasses holder and rear reading lamps are now standard fitment on all sedans and wagons.

Calais and Acclaim models receive the added safety benefit of active head restraints, all models are equipped with audible and visual driver's seatbelt warning, and steering column modifications across the new range assist in reducing the risk of occupant injury in a frontal crash.

Also available for the first time, a tailored, factory fitted sunroof is optional on all sedans. All wagons are fitted with aircraft-style cargo rails in the rear compartment for extra tie-down security and flexibility, and load-covering retracting roller blinds are standard fitment. Wagons have new jewelled tail lamps with a circular design theme.

The Calais now takes on a more European-accented sports persona. Stand-out styling accents include a bolder front facia with sports bar grille and hexagonal mesh inserts, black bezel headlamps, lower ride height, SS-style side skirts, 17-inch five-spoke alloy wheels, rear facia skirts and unique tail lamps. Interiors are highlighted by all-black headliner and pillar trim, sports profile steering wheel, unique facia and colour-keyed console surround and suede-finish soft fabric trim. Extra luxury touches include Caprice-style driver's seat memory settings and heated 'memory' exterior mirrors. When reverse gear is selected, the passenger-side mirror dips to show low level hazards.

Berlina models are distinguished by twin fog lamps, black lower facia mouldings and nine-spoke alloy wheels. More luxurious interior finishes include new monotone seat trim in soft velour, leather-wrapped steering wheel, handbrake and auto shifter and satin chrome highlights.

The S and SV8 now have body-coloured grille and rear licence plate surrounds and spoiler-mounted stop lamps with clear lens. Both feature new alloy wheels - five-spoke on the S, which receives larger 17-inch wheels, and dual five-spoke on the SV8 - are matched to new-specification tyres, tuned for improved handling and firmer, quieter ride characteristics. Body coloured exterior mirrors and amber indicator lenses also set the SV8 apart.

[BLACKWAGON]

Series II: August 2003 - August 2004

are the wagons the only model that went further? mine is 11/04 build.

[boyley]

are the wagons the only model that went further? mine is 11/04 build.

Not sure of the end date for the wagon but the following applied.

The Series II SS wagon was a limited edition run of 350 released May 2004. It is available with either six-speed manual or optional automatic transmission and there is a choice of two exterior colours: Phantom Black, teamed with red leather interior trim, or Quicksilver, complemented by Anthracite black leather interior trim. It features 17-inch, five spoke alloy wheels and low-profile tyres, sports front facia with slim grille, circular foglamps, black bezel headlamps, front sculptured rocker mouldings, rear facia skirt, signature SS badging, body-coloured roof rails and dust deflector, FE2 sports suspension, limited slip differential, traction control and a full-length twin performance exhaust system. Interior features include a leather-wrapped steering wheel, alloy pedals and a red instrument cluster. Further equipment highlights include driver, passenger and side impact airbags, a six disc in-dash CD player, power windows front and rear, cruise control, electronic climate control, programmable trip computer and a cargo blind. Recommended Retail Pricing : $52,490.

[Bravotwozero]

Some of the VY Ser.II SS's also came with LEATHER TRIM & CLIMATE CONTROL, and from memory the Ser.II should also come with 18" alloys (think the Ser.I only came with 17's)!!! I thought they started manufacturing the Ser.II in September 2003? but I stand to be corrected of course!!!

Series I had 18's also. The utes had 17's.

[jsk]

Thanks guys for all the info,checked out the vin no. and it is a series 1.My gripe is i specifically went looking for a series 2 and paid series2 price $31000 from a Holden dealer.Looked up all the paper work when brought (Notice Of Sale,Tax Invoice etc) and all states that it is a VY series 2.What do people think my chances are on getting money refunded on fraudulent sale especially as this was a Holden Certified dealer and you would think they should know what they are selling.

[Oversteer]

Thanks guys for all the info,checked out the vin no. and it is a series 1.My gripe is i specifically went looking for a series 2 and paid series2 price $31000 from a Holden dealer.Looked up all the paper work when brought (Notice Of Sale,Tax Invoice etc) and all states that it is a VY series 2.What do people think my chances are on getting money refunded on fraudulent sale especially as this was a Holden Certified dealer and you would think they should know what they are selling.

Not sure mate but it is a very very good question especially seeing as the paperwork from the trade states it is meant to be a series II they sold you. Contact the dealer and explain your situation and let us know how you go!!

Not too sure if there is much they can do but maybe say your considering legal advice on the matter too. Actually id consider legal advice anyway not on the grounds that you wanted a SII but because they sold you a car that isnt whats stated on the papers.

This will be interesting indeed..

[Micks]

Thinking they may have to come to the party there to save face. Crazy thing for a dealer to have done though..

Cheers
VYT

[boyley]

Thanks guys for all the info,checked out the vin no. and it is a series 1.My gripe is i specifically went looking for a series 2 and paid series2 price $31000 from a Holden dealer.Looked up all the paper work when brought (Notice Of Sale,Tax Invoice etc) and all states that it is a VY series 2.What do people think my chances are on getting money refunded on fraudulent sale especially as this was a Holden Certified dealer and you would think they should know what they are selling.


As they say in the classics go for the jugular and get holden head office involved

[MYTO8]

Pretty bad when the dealership doesnt know the different except the price.

[BLACKWAGON]

Thanks guys for all the info,checked out the vin no. and it is a series 1.My gripe is i specifically went looking for a series 2 and paid series2 price $31000 from a Holden dealer.Looked up all the paper work when brought (Notice Of Sale,Tax Invoice etc) and all states that it is a VY series 2.What do people think my chances are on getting money refunded on fraudulent sale especially as this was a Holden Certified dealer and you would think they should know what they are selling.

Could have paid 5 more and had my wagon with over 10g in extras pumped into it and basically a VZ.

[*VYSuper6*]

$31000!!!! I only paid 24g for mine last year. if i were u make a solid attempt to get your money back (DONT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN FULL REFUND) and go buy a clubsport for the same price or the ss u wanted and have some $$$ left over.

you have a massive advantage as u didnt get what you paid for

cheers

[macca33]

You do have recourse, as they have, whether purposely, or recklessly, misrepresented the vehicle. You were sold a 'Series 2,' which in reality is a 'Series 1.' Buyer beware has no meaning here, arguably, as you were 'tricked' into a belief that it was Series 2 and you have the paperwork which is evidence of that. Again, by saying tricked, I do not infer that it was intentional, it was most likely reckless, but the outcome was the same.

The first step I'd take is the Dept. Consumer Affairs, even if it is just to obtain advice. They may even do something for you. Then, I'd seek legal advice, and maybe contact the motor car traders association in your state also.

One question though - Are you happy with the car??? If you are, then maybe aim towards some kind of compensatory outcome with the dealer.

Cheers and good luck,

Macca

[Oversteer]

You do have recourse, as they have, whether purposely, or recklessly, misrepresented the vehicle. You were sold a 'Series 2,' which in reality is a 'Series 1.' Buyer beware has no meaning here, arguably, as you were 'tricked' into a belief that it was Series 2 and you have the paperwork which is evidence of that. Again, by saying tricked, I do not infer that it was intentional, it was most likely reckless, but the outcome was the same.

The first step I'd take is the Dept. Consumer Affairs, even if it is just to obtain advice. They may even do something for you. Then, I'd seek legal advice, and maybe contact the motor car traders association in your state also.

One question though - Are you happy with the car??? If you are, then maybe aim towards some kind of compensatory outcome with the dealer.

Cheers and good luck,

Macca

Well said macca...almost sounds like your talking from experience there!! haha

Wise words indeed...textbook answer in my opinion for you to follow jsk! Best of luck mate

[jsk]

Thanks guys will definitely be going for a full refund + the stamp duty i paid then will be buying a HSV.Do you think i should see a lawyer first or see the dealership which is on the central coast by the way.I would imagine they wouldnt be to willing to refund 32 grand too easily.


You do have recourse, as they have, whether purposely, or recklessly, misrepresented the vehicle. You were sold a 'Series 2,' which in reality is a 'Series 1.' Buyer beware has no meaning here, arguably, as you were 'tricked' into a belief that it was Series 2 and you have the paperwork which is evidence of that. Again, by saying tricked, I do not infer that it was intentional, it was most likely reckless, but the outcome was the same.

The first step I'd take is the Dept. Consumer Affairs, even if it is just to obtain advice. They may even do something for you. Then, I'd seek legal advice, and maybe contact the motor car traders association in your state also.

One question though - Are you happy with the car??? If you are, then maybe aim towards some kind of compensatory outcome with the dealer.

Cheers and good luck,

Macca


I wouldnt say im too happy with the car as it has been into service department 4-5 times since i got it.Thanks for the useful info you supplied will be following that coarse i think.Would think i have a good case for a refund seeing as all documentation states its a series 2.thanks again Macca

[whitels1ss]

The previous owner would have put the badges on.
The dealer, especially being a Holden dealer should have known, but had he known, he would have not been silly enough to put it in writing, he would have only invoiced it out as an SS.
I think Consumer affairs will help you to get some form of compensation for their error, (most likely the red book price difference between a series 1 and 2) but, I think you have Fark all chance of seeing a full refund.
I hope for your sake I am wrong but I doubt it.
good luck...

[jsk]

Great outcome,rang Holden Melb who put pressure on dealer while waiting for fair trading.Talked to dealer again and got a full refund.Now the proud owner of a 04 Clubsport and couldnt be happier(just need to change exhaust, too quite).Anyone else put in this situation just keep pressuring.Alot of ethics and law they have to abide to.
Thanks for all replies.

[CSP]

That's seriously a fantastic outcome!

[boyley]

That's seriously a fantastic outcome!

Have to agree and I am somewhat surprised.

[Wonky]

Great outcome,rang Holden Melb who put pressure on dealer while waiting for fair trading.Talked to dealer again and got a full refund.Now the proud owner of a 04 Clubsport and couldnt be happier(just need to change exhaust, too quite).Anyone else put in this situation just keep pressuring.Alot of ethics and law they have to abide to.
Thanks for all replies.
Excellent result!! :thumbsup:

[*VYSuper6*]

awesome result...

you have to post up some pics of your new ride

2004? did you get the VZ or the VY?

just make sure it isnt a VY clubsport with a VZ bodykit, :D

hope you enjoy the new car

cheers

[bwhinnen]

Not the first time a Holden Dealer has done this. Friend of mine had the same thing done with a VH SS, that in actual fact wasn't and only had a 253 in it ;)

Full refund, no questions.

Well done on the new purchase!

[macca33]

This is a great outcome and certainly indicates that it does often pay to purchase from licensed dealers (rather than private), for peace of mind. A mistake was made and they remedied it and you got a nice Clubby for your trouble - great stuff.

Cheers and well done JSK.

Macca

[S2VYSS]

VY SS had 18s on both the series 1 & 2

Was there a power difference between them? What is the power output of series 2?

[Oversteer]

Fantastic jsk...what a great result from a situtation i thought you had little chance in! Especially getting a swap...good on you mate,

Enjoy it!!

[stew297]

Check the vin number
If the last digits are after 4L156716 it's series 2

just bought a vy II ss, vin number is nothing like that. Problems?

[boyley]

VY SS had 18s on both the series 1 & 2

Was there a power difference between them? What is the power output of series 2?


see post 18 bro.:1peek: