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Caprice270
31-03-2008, 09:31 PM
I'm interested in people's thoughts here:

The Government is proposing changes to the Trade Practices Act that has the potential to knock down prices in the luxury car market IMO ($100k+ segment). Holden and HSV are likely to be key beneficiaries of these changes because the value of locally made cars will be magnified.

The Government today released an exposure draft for legislation that may force dealers and car companies to advertise the on-road cost of cars. This has the potential to put an end to non-transparent pricing in the new car industry that creates unfairness for consumers by limiting competition on this component of new car pricing.


I was wondering whether there are any legal boffins out there that would like to join me in analysing this exposure draft to determine whether the intention is to cover new car advertising. If so, we can proceed with a submission to Government so that we have some say on the direction of the changes. I'm happy to draft the submission and circulate it for comments, provided we have a decent case.

Ofcourse there's a few things to consider, a few of which I've jotted down without too much thought at the moment:

- Does the Trade Practices Act provide any concessions for car companies and dealerships that would kill any hope of forcing these entities to advertise component prices?
- Is component pricing practical for nationwide advertising campaigns?
- Can companies advertise on a state-by-state basis? Do they already?
- Are there similar trade practice laws overseas and how have they applied to new cars (e.g. did car companies seek an exemption given the difficulties of calculating varying levels of stamp duty and registration across states?)
- Will dealer delivery costs be included in the component pricing regime?
- the component pricing regime seems to apply to corporates only - What if a dealership uses a trust structure?

Submissions must be made by 17 April. The Assistant Treasurer's media release is below.

Minister for Competition Policy & Consumer Affairs, Chris Bowen has today unveiled draft legislation that will ensure consumers know the total price they will have to pay for goods and services that they buy.

The amendments to the Trade Practices Act 1974 will address the use of component pricing in advertising to consumers. Component pricing is the practice of advertising prices as the sum of separate components, for example, advertising an airfare as $100 plus $48 tax, fees and charges.

"This is good news for consumers," Mr. Bowen said.

"No longer will consumers feel ripped off when they suddenly discover that what they thought they were paying doesn't take into account hidden taxes and charges.

"These reforms will mean that consumers will know the total price they will have to pay for goods and services that they buy.

"Without this information, consumers cannot easily compare prices and so it makes it even more difficult for consumers to shop around.

"The Rudd Labor Government is serious about empowering consumers and strengthening the consumer's right to know the total price of a good or service.

"We are taking on reform in an area where the previous government acknowledged there was a problem and talked about changes but never got around to doing anything about it."

The legislation will require that, where a business advertises the price of a good or service to consumers, it must display as a single figure, the total price of the product, to the extent that it is quantifiable at the time of making the representation.

The Minister has reviewed the previous government's draft legislation and has made some key changes, including:

removing postage and handling charges from the scope of the changes;
the amendments will not apply to the Australian Securities and Investments Commission Act 2001 meaning that financial services are exempt;
clarifying that the changes will only apply to business to consumer transactions.
"The government is not interested in placing an undue burden on business or trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist," Mr Bowen said.

"These changes are sensible and achieve a commonsense balance between addressing the concern of consumers who quite rightly want to know what they are paying before they buy a product or service without placing an unnecessary burden on business.

"The vast bulk of complaints over component pricing practices relate to taxes, hidden levies, and other fees, not postage and handling.

"Financial services are covered by the financial disclosure provision of the Corporations Act and do not lend themselves to this style of change."

Business will not be prevented from using component pricing, provided that the total price is also displayed prominently as a single figure.

Copies of the draft Bill and Explanatory Memorandum are available on the Treasury website at www.treasury.gov.au.

30 March 2008

mmciau
01-04-2008, 05:29 AM
In relation to Stamp Duty in each State and/or Territory, perhaps a scale of percentages for each State/Territory may be needed to be displayed in a "National Advertising" campaign with the standard "check with the Stamp Duty Office"

When the term "On-Road-Costs" will that be just "Registration and CTP" or do you envisage others/

Mike

Caprice270
01-04-2008, 08:41 AM
On road costs would include stamp duty and dealer delivery in addition to registration and CTP. You can see how the BMWs and the Mercs of the world would not be pleased about the proposed changes - their premium on road price tags would be hard to justify if they were put in print. Inevitably the euros would feel pressured to reduce their prices a little.

I'll have the legislation reviewed by the end of the week and get back to everyone then. Hopefully some people are available to pass on their thoughts if i prepare a submission. I'll probably see if anyone is interested on AFF also.

Benboy
01-04-2008, 09:21 AM
Dealer Delivery Charges (fees etc) should be banned. In general they are nothing more than a rip-off or at best an expensive car-wash. How many peoplae have purchased new vehicles only to find items missing, oil or fluid leaks, loose fitting components, etc etc. The Delivery Charge was originally intended to cover number plates, full tank of fuel, floor mats, key ring and if a female buyer - a bunch of flowers. Anyone who is silly enough to pay such fee(s) should demand an itemised statement from the dealer in which every cent of the charge is justified. Better still just tell them you refuse to pay it, if they don't agree, just walk out the door and take your business elsewhere. At these times, a credit squeeze and falling sales, many delaers will cut costs like you've never seen before. it is a buyers paradise. Sorry if it seems I've hijacked your thread, but I felt it had to be said in light of your proposals.

muzza
01-04-2008, 12:34 PM
It would be a great thing if car prices HAD to be all drive-away, no matter where you bought it. It's one of the car industry's "dirty" little ploys to suck back some money after the deal (with dealer delivery for example -$1500 for what exactly?) and it makes true comparisons difficult for even seasoned shoppers with their wits about them, never mind the hapless morons what are easy prey for the sharper salesmen.

Given that you cant actually take a car away without paying stamp duty, rego/plates, dealer deliv etc it is a nonsense that they are not included as the part of the up front cost before negotiation - in the same way you cant advertise a phone deal or cable TV without disclosing the total cost of everything over the 1 year or contract period in the fine-print at the bottom.

SVNLTR@NJCCorp
01-04-2008, 12:48 PM
Dealer Delivery Charges (fees etc) should be banned. In general they are nothing more than a rip-off or at best an expensive car-wash. How many peoplae have purchased new vehicles only to find items missing, oil or fluid leaks, loose fitting components, etc etc. The Delivery Charge was originally intended to cover number plates, full tank of fuel, floor mats, key ring and if a female buyer - a bunch of flowers. Anyone who is silly enough to pay such fee(s) should demand an itemised statement from the dealer in which every cent of the charge is justified. Better still just tell them you refuse to pay it, if they don't agree, just walk out the door and take your business elsewhere. At these times, a credit squeeze and falling sales, many delaers will cut costs like you've never seen before. it is a buyers paradise. Sorry if it seems I've hijacked your thread, but I felt it had to be said in light of your proposals.


Benboy-i totally argee-what a rip off-i mean its not like buying a pizza and getting charged and extra $5.00 for delivery-that i can live with--

To outlay for example 50k plus for a new car and on top paying a dealer delivery fee-cmon- give me a brake-

a lot of laws need to be looked at-even in the second hand car game-a good and long time scam is the nation-wide warranty on s/hand vechile's-

that need's to be looked at carefully as it is a scam thats run for too long without helping its members who paid the insurance-


Their is too many loop holes

Nick--