Cheaper Ripshift from the US to my door

[BT 57 WA]

i am just curious at why i can get a ripshift delivered to my door cheaper than direct from the manufacture in Australia.

on the manufacture site, you can buy the ripshift for $499 delivered well i got a quote from a shop in the states that will deliver it for quite a bit less

how can this be possible?

are we paying to much in Australia?

[KPWISHN]

Economies of scale.

[The_Senator]

Different but same case for me too..

I can buy parts for my jetski CHEAPER from the US Shipped to my door, cheaper than the Manufacturer in QLD will sell and post them to me.

When i informed him of this - his reply was "if i pay full retail, he will post it to me for free" which still made if $70 more expensive..

I think it is quite an injustice that we pay more - when they are made here. Why buy local?!?

[hithere]

Like the price of G8 in USA vs SS in Aus. :(

[BT 57 WA]

Economies of scale.

what does that tell me???

if a cost of an item made in Australia is then sold making a profit and shipped 3000 odd k's to the other side of that country, it makes no sense, that i can buy the same unit that is made with the same cost (same part) it is sent 1/2 way around the world to a shop in the US, who can then sell it to me delivered to my door for cheaper. this tells me that the the cost of the part varies or the manufacture is making one hell of a mark up in Australia. to the point of potentially ripping us Australian residents.

why would i buy direct and support a forum sponsor and an Australian company? id rather send my $$$$$ to the US as i am getting looked after much better by them than in my own back yard. plus the manufacture of the ripshift is going to sell the item to the shop i the US and make money anyways, just not as much.

[Delco]

i am just curious at why i can get a ripshift delivered to my door cheaper than direct from the manufacture in Australia.

on the manufacture site, you can buy the ripshift for $499 delivered well i got a quote from a shop in the states that will deliver it for quite a bit less

how can this be possible?

are we paying to much in Australia?

The common name for it is "getting ripped off"

[BT 57 WA]

The common name for it is "getting ripped off"

cheers daniel, see above post (not being sarcastic either im with you)

[KPWISHN]

what does that tell me???


Have a search on the net about it. There's full text books worth of info on it.

Basically in Australia the size of the market dictates the optimum price to achieve the best profit for the company.

Same thing applies in the US and due to the size of the market the optimum price is a lot less over there.

Competition would also be playing more of a part in the US than Australia too.

Either way GM Motorsports will still gain a profit from your purchase. Just depends if you want to buy the expensive one or the not so expensive one. Same product and pay less for it. Haha, I know what I'd be doing.

[BT 57 WA]

Have a search on the net about it. There's full text books worth of info on it.

Basically in Australia the size of the market dictates the optimum price to achieve the best profit for the company.

Same thing applies in the US and due to the size of the market the optimum price is a lot less over there.

Competition would also be playing more of a part in the US than Australia too.

Either way GM Motorsports will still gain a profit from your purchase. Just depends if you want to buy the expensive one or the not so expensive one. Same product and pay less for it. Haha, I know what I'd be doing.

yeah i know what ill be doing to, mmmm its such a hard decision to make.

the only problem i see is that according to the gmm site there are only 2 authorized US dealers for the product so there is not much competition for the shop around buyer i guess. still makes the mind tick over a little.

[Sunny08]

Dont forgot you may have to add the gst onto the price if customs get there way.

[planetdavo]

Dont forgot you may have to add the gst onto the price if customs get there way.
Not to mention that you would most likely have to deal with the US supplier for any warranty issues, as the local supplier didn't sell it to you (even if it was made here originally!).

[BT 57 WA]

you sould only pay gst on goods over $1000 if importing items, also the difference between the 2 prices im way in front if i do have to pay gst $30 odd dollars is nothing.

Plus with all the people raving about the ripshift and how the manufacture suggest there is no other similar part/item available as good as theirs im thinking i would not really have to worrie about putting in a warranty claim job.

it all still makes no sense.

is there an answer from the manufacture i wonder, might contact them i think.

[chris]

Yep my gmm rip shift was $300us to my home in America then i brought it back to Australia in my luggage.
Chris

[planetdavo]

is there an answer from the manufacture i wonder, might contact them i think.
Um, good luck! No business is under any obligation to explain their pricing structure, especially when people are buying what they sell!
I can already sense the "if you don't like the price, no one's making you buy one" call....

[Smokin SS]

I'm curious to know what the difference is in dollars between buying in Aus compared to the states. PM me if you're not comfortable in posting the price up.

[BT 57 WA]

Um, good luck! No business is under any obligation to explain their pricing structure, especially when people are buying what they sell!
I can already sense the "if you don't like the price, no one's making you buy one" call....

possible i guess, they can only say no we don't need to tell you no loss as have not bought one yet.

[KPWISHN]

Link to Sponsor Speedinc. (http://www.ls1speed.com/cont.cfm?cid=C0000392)

[Blue]

I got my ripshifter purchased from speed inc. on Monday for around A$350 took about a week to get here, saves me $150.

[HSV271]

Hmmmm.... did anyone say Group Buy!!!

[gasguz]

I got my ripshifter purchased from speed inc. on Monday for around A$350 took about a week to get here, saves me $150.

That is a good saving there, makes you wonder why you would deal locally. Everyone says these things are bullet proof so what are the chances of having a warranty issue. At the end of the day I am sure the original manufacturer would fix anything that went wrong within warranty period anyway so it should not matter. After all it is their own product.

Speed inc buy price is $275 US which is $298 AU

Thats why it is best to shop around & buy at the price you are happy with.

But yeah about the group buy enquiry...........

[SVNLTR]

Dont forgot you may have to add the gst onto the price if customs get there way.

i dont think the rip shifter with cost 1000.00 aud-so no gst-nothing apart from freight

Nick--


That is a good saving there, makes you wonder why you would deal locally. Everyone says these things are bullet proof so what are the chances of having a warranty issue. At the end of the day I am sure the original manufacturer would fix anything that went wrong within warranty period anyway so it should not matter. After all it is their own product.

Speed inc buy price is $275 US which is $298 AU

Thats why it is best to shop around & buy at the price you are happy with.

But yeah about the group buy enquiry...........

thats right-

i have not bought anything for my ls in aus apart from a air intake and my tunning software-

the way i look at it is-if u are not going to give a good price to the public that drive the industry-well get stuffed-

people are catching on and u will see in time that some ls shops in aus will come down in price because they can't compete

i say spread the word and buy oversea's

seems made in australia and spend in australia is over rated-
Nick--

[cashie]

Um, good luck! No business is under any obligation to explain their pricing structure, especially when people are buying what they sell!
I can already sense the "if you don't like the price, no one's making you buy one" call....

I don't like the price and the US/Aus price disparity has stopped me buying one. I will be stuffed if I am paying more than an Americian for an Australian manufactured item.

[Micks]

I just seem to think now the cost of living here in Aus is quite costly so inturn some Co's aim is to inflate prices & if you're silly enough to spend so be it...If not go off shore I say, tell me who doesn't want to save a quid these days??

Cheers
VYT

[gasguz]

I don't like the price and the US/Aus price disparity has stopped me buying one. I will be stuffed if I am paying more than an Americian for an Australian manufactured item.

Yo have already done that with your Monaro, the yanks Monaro/GTO's were cheaper :(

Sorry couldnt resist, but I do agree with you

[CSP]

LOL @ ALL THE CONFUSION!!!

Welcome to a world of a stronger Australian dollar :D

[HOWQUICK]

i have not bought anything for my ls in aus apart from a air intake and my tunning software-

the way i look at it is-if u are not going to give a good price to the public that drive the industry-well get stuffed-

people are catching on and u will see in time that some ls shops in aus will come down in price because they can't compete

i say spread the word and buy oversea's

seems made in australia and spend in australia is over rated-
Bick--

bit like the amatuer/professional fisherman argument really isn't it. The amatuers reckon the pros have to much access to the resource. The pros reckon not everyone can catch and clean their own fish so they need them to provide the service.

If you can choose your own parts, machine and assemble your own stuff all power to you....

But many can't. How much do you pay a Lawyer or Accountant for their skills? Seems only this industry is where some punters have issues with proprietors making a living....

As for the RIP. Can't say. Never sold one. But I think you would find it would be hard to convince the American public it is $200 better than comparable product by long standing and well established manufacturers.

[markone2]

I'll admit to joining the rapidly growing trend of buying overseas..why ?...its the service ,with parts I want arriving in just over a week , in lieu of waiting a month or more on local wholesaler :shock:..price helps to :)

[HOWQUICK]

I'll admit to joining the rapidly growing trend of buying overseas..why ?...its the service ,with parts I want arriving in just over a week , in lieu of waiting a month or more on local wholesaler :shock:..price helps to :)

must admit running one of these shops and dealing with local wholesalers is tedious.....but knowing your market and having it on hand removes that problem. Sure you carry more stock but are moblie to demand and unhindered by supply issues........

[badnews]

Another factor could be that they might be buying 1000 units opposed to your one unit. obviusly they are gonna get a much better price, and if they wanna sell them for a hundred dollars less than RRP thats up to them.

I know some takeaways buy bread from a supermarket because the supermarkets sells the bread to the public cheaper than they can buy it wholesale from the bakery.

[BT 57 WA]

Another factor could be that they might be buying 1000 units opposed to your one unit. obviusly they are gonna get a much better price, and if they wanna sell them for a hundred dollars less than RRP thats up to them.

I know some takeaways buy bread from a supermarket because the supermarkets sells the bread to the public cheaper than they can buy it wholesale from the bakery.

yes what you are saying is correct, but thats what i want to get to the bottom of.

it still does not make that much sense that a shop in the US could sell it for over $150 less inc delivery

it would be nice to get some kind of reasoning behind this from the manufacture.

[SOBSE]

You also need to remember that the good old usa has 250 million people V's 20 million so of coarse parts will be cheaper. The aussie labour rate is one of the highest in the world so you need to factor that in. The cost of doing business in australia is high ,factor in cost to have cc facility , employee cost's , advertising , rents and the fact that gst goes through say three stages e.g producer,distributor then the retailer and the consumer takes the hit.I agree that we in australia cop it a bit but we dont work for $2 a month or $5 a hour like some other places around the world. But we all like value for money !

[keen]

I cant believe $350 from the US delivered versus $499 here in Australia. What a Joke.:lol:

[cashie]

Yo have already done that with your Monaro, the yanks Monaro/GTO's were cheaper :(

Sorry couldnt resist, but I do agree with you

Don't think so.....
The GTO was not specced the same as a CV8 and exchange rate was totally different.
Whereas, the current G8 and SS/SSV price difference may be more relevant to your argument!

[Hammer]

I cant believe $350 from the US delivered versus $499 here in Australia. What a Joke.:lol:


exactly its ONLY a measly $150

[kpop]

Like the price of G8 in USA vs SS in Aus. :(

yeh i was a bit shocked to see that they yanks can buy one for AU$33,000 brand new !

[MYTO8]

Either way the manufacturer get the sale both ways. We could see three things 1. maybe manufacturer lower local RRP 2. Manufacturer makes a agreement with us suppliers to stop supplying Aussie customers(like aeroforcetech has) 3. Nothing , unless there is a wanna buy for a minimum 50 units and then you can get the trade discount price. But either way good product. I do find it disturbing when i can get a part express from the us or nz in 2-3day and i cant get a item from likes of vpw etc in under a week.

[Tre-Cool]

You also need to remember that the good old usa has 250 million people V's 20 million so of coarse parts will be cheaper. The aussie labour rate is one of the highest in the world so you need to factor that in. The cost of doing business in australia is high ,factor in cost to have cc facility , employee cost's , advertising , rents and the fact that gst goes through say three stages e.g producer,distributor then the retailer and the consumer takes the hit.I agree that we in australia cop it a bit but we dont work for $2 a month or $5 a hour like some other places around the world. But we all like value for money !
The problem with your argument is that there was a limit to how many GTO's they imported to the US of A. I think it was 18000 or something, hell even if it was 40000.

You'd think Australia would have more then 40000 V8 VT-VZ T56 equipped cars.

So really, looking at it from the outside in. The reason for the cheaper price seems to be more to compete in the environment with other manufacturers.

Where as because they are made in Australia, not a lot of people would know of the ripshifts competitors and so you were charged as such.

Each to their own on gearshifter etc choices, personally ive been running a b&m shifter for near on 2 years now with only a minor fault with a bolt coming loose (only because i dont like using lock tight)

[SOBSE]

The problem with your argument is that there was a limit to how many GTO's they imported to the US of A. I think it was 18000 or something, hell even if it was 40000.

You'd think Australia would have more then 40000 V8 VT-VZ T56 equipped cars.

So really, looking at it from the outside in. The reason for the cheaper price seems to be more to compete in the environment with other manufacturers.

Where as because they are made in Australia, not a lot of people would know of the ripshifts competitors and so you were charged as such.

Each to their own on gearshifter etc choices, personally ive been running a b&m shifter for near on 2 years now with only a minor fault with a bolt coming loose (only because i dont like using lock tight)

Agree 100% with regards to the rip shifter. I was talking more about parts overall. What about YT Rockers????

[chris]

yeh i was a bit shocked to see that they yanks can buy one for AU$33,000 brand new !

The g8 is $27,595usd and the g8 gt is $29,995usd msrp.
I had a look at one the other day and i told the young salesman what they cost in oz and he could not believe it.

As for buying part's and anything else for that matter i alway's buy over here.Much bigger market = more competition =lower prices (generally).
Chris.

[Knight Phlier]

What kind of taxes do we pay for the item here vs in the US? I understood that one contributing reason for cars (aka Monaro / SS) sold here are so much more expensive then the USA is because of the sales / luxury tax's that we get stung with here - Does this also apply to items like the ripshift?

For the Ripshift in Aus, the price would definately cover GST @ 10% but is there any other tax's that the manufacturer / retailer needs to pay for example sales tax that might not apply in the US? I am not sure what types of taxes they would have to pay stateside for the same transaction i would be suprised if a 30-40% difference in price is solely because of economies of scale.

[A^K^T]

GMM can't realy unndercut the retalers .

[Pottsy Mueller]

i am just curious at why i can get a ripshift delivered to my door cheaper than direct from the manufacture in Australia.

on the manufacture site, you can buy the ripshift for $499 delivered well i got a quote from a shop in the states that will deliver it for quite a bit less

how can this be possible?

are we paying to much in Australia?

Good question BT 57 WA, just did some checking on various websites it seems that if you live in the states you can buy this shift for $309.00 u.s. ($335.00 a.u.) delivered to your door. No minimum quantity either by the looks of it. That means we are paying $164.00 more than the U.S.A. for the same shift.

Maybe someone can shed some light on this as well.?

http://pro50shifters.meridian1.net/default.asp?S=503&A=E&PKV=P3000|0

These are $209.00 u.s. ($227.00 a.u.) made by PRO 5.0 in the u.s. they look the same to me but do they fit ??.

I worked those prices out using 92 cents for the conversion, hope i did this right.

[cashie]

GMM can't realy unndercut the retalers .

I think the OP's question was, why is GMM approx $150 DEARER than the US retailers (let alone undercutting them)...

[A^K^T]

I think the OP's question was, why is GMM approx $150 DEARER than the US retailers (let alone undercutting them)...

Yes , a product can be shipped from Australia to the USA then bought mail order from a US retailer and shipped back to OZ and work out cheaper with all the shipping costs (and i guess customs costs) , seems an inefficient and wasteful way of doing it . I guess the shipping company wins , the manufacturer wins , and the US retail company wins as there's work in it for all of them .
Seems there is a penalty in doing it in a more efficient way and buying it in OZ . (and more environmental friendly way)
:confused:

[ringram]

The Manufacturer is obviously making LESS on the US ones.
Dont forget they set prices taking into consideration currency fluctuations and values. So at various times the equivalent price will go up and down.
You guys are lucky your currency is strong at present, that accounts for a 22% discount to UKP (2.2 vs the old 2.8 level)
Add a weaker dollar in and the price difference of 30 odd percent is easy to see.
Hell take advantage of it.
The manufacturer isnt going to want to cut margin on local as well as foreign sales as well. Its more bad/good luck than management that sets the price.
Its all those greedy hedge funds and banks that wrapped up mortgage debt into CDO's and sold them on that are creating some of the difference.

[BT 57 WA]

well i asked the US shop if they would consider a bulk buy discount, there response follows.

"We don't wholesale on that shifter

Their actually made in Victoria, call up GMM

regards"

so id say that they have been told no group discount, bulk buy etc.

mmmm seems to me that XXX might potentially be price fixing.

[BlownVR]

Does the manufacturer get an export credit from our govt which would subsidise the cost to US buyers or something like that?

[macca_779]

I will be stuffed if I am paying more than an Americian for an Australian manufactured item.

You did just that when you bought your monaro. And they got an LS2 in theirs
I do agree that its a bit rude that GMM sell them cheaper to the US. But its all about Supply and Demand. The US is cheaper for everything, I'm in Alaska now and just going to walmart is insane to see some of the price differences. Mobil 1 Oil goes for $30 here. So yeah its rude but that's the way it is. The least I rekon GMM could do is give the forum members a discount.

[SS Enforcer]

Easy fix just buy em off Fraser from Ls1speed he is a forum sponsor so GMM shouldn't mind em selling to the forum members here. Save the $150 for another mod.:)

It is a pity GMM don't price match for ls1 members here though.

I buy nearly everything from the states as it's much cheaper and probably faster than sourcing stuff here.

Cheers

[BT 57 WA]

oh don't worry ill be buying them from over in the states my point was as the thread says.

i don't understand it at all, thats all

[ASSASIN]

Dont forget that the aussie dollar is the highest its ever been
What cost does it work out to at the usual 60c to the dollar

[cashie]

Dont forget that the aussie dollar is the highest its ever been
What cost does it work out to at the usual 60c to the dollar

The dollar has averaged 0.869 cents for the last 12 months.....

[SS Enforcer]

Dont forget that the aussie dollar is the highest its ever been
What cost does it work out to at the usual 60c to the dollar

I remember when the USD was worth about 75 cents AUD :)

cheers

[SSBarney]

I cant believe $350 from the US delivered versus $499 here in Australia. What a Joke.:lol:

From $499retail , u need to take off GST of $45, so comparable price is $454 also delivered, its then quite possible the US retailer purchased a number when the dollar was a bit less like between 75c to 80c.
That then makes the comparable price around $340 and its delivered to your door on both prices.
Doesnt seem like such a joke anymore, seems more like the flucuations and distortions that are caused by GST and currency movements.

[macca33]

This has been mentioned on other occasions and the pricing disparity is quite large for a single item. Phonsey has previously indicated (in another thread) that he would look into local pricing.

To be honest, it isn't only the RipShift, it is also the YT products and other Australian made components/parts.

Yes, the US market is large and very, very competitive, but, why then does it seem as though Australian customers are bearing the brunt of the overseas discounted pricing structure, through the payment of higher prices?

If a US manufacturer expected their domestic market to pay a price premium over outside (overseas) markets, for a US-manufactured product, they would be out of business in a week.

The product costs the same to manufacture, whether it is sold here or there and GST is only 10%.

[SSBarney]

The product costs the same to manufacture, whether it is sold here or there and GST is only 10%.

yes it does cost the same to maufacturer, but reread my post and tell me how that still equates to a big price difference??

... GST = 11% of the total retail price

[MattJ]

I think you will find the Australian companys in question have to cut profits to the bone to make ground in the highly competitive US market, relying on selling more product then perhaps higher profits. Also, the US companys buying the Aussie product are in a highly competitve market, they also rely on selling more product and making lower profit per item. This is the cost of manufacturing in Australia (not China, like some of the US competition) and selling into the US. We should be supporting these companys whom are trying to grow, not flogging them for growing the balls to take on the world. As for Joe public wanting the best price, I totaly understand, if you can make use of the cheaper prices overseas then good on you.

For a Australian company to be sucessful in Australia they need to rely on making good profit per item because of the small market, conversly the US company, given the market is 10 times the size, can rely on moving more product at a lesser profit and still be sucessful. The Dollar has only compounded the problem.

[KPWISHN]

Great post there Matt. Sums it up perfectly.

[VTR8Clubby]

The only problem is Speedinc only sell the race version and then you have to buy a USD$55 street conversion if you want a street ripshift. Does anyone know where I can get a street ripshift for a similar price?

[ASSASIN]

On the street version you use your own shifter handle off you original shifter you just unbolt it and fit it to the rip base.

[VTR8Clubby]

On the street version you use your own shifter handle off you original shifter you just unbolt it and fit it to the rip base.

But you still need the street version as you can't bolt the standard shifter handle to the race version.

[Phonsy]

Hey Guys

The answer is quite simple.

1. 11% Gst of the total price. We have to pay GST if we sell in Australia.
( Regardless if the product is under $1000 ) Thats our GST working against Aussie companies in this case.

2. Rebates for exporting scheme. Upto 50% claim on some components once your company spends a certain $ amount .

3. US Dollar when we first started exporting was around 75 to 80 cents.

The US retail price has remained the same but the dollar has not.
( Yes this means we make less profit. We will make more when the $ goes down. You have to roll with the punches ) If the USD dollar was at 60 cents we would not be having this conversation.

Many companies would not even respond to these questions.

We have been kind enough to shed some light to help the forum members understand.

Cheers Phonsy.




P.S We will not be answering questions about the Australian tax system.

[Number55]

Hey Guys

The answer is quite simple.

1. 11% Gst of the total price. We have to pay GST if we sell in Australia.
( Regardless if the product is under $1000 ) Thats our GST working against Aussie companies in this case.

2. Rebates for exporting scheme. Upto 50% claim on some components once your company spends a certain $ amount .

3. US Dollar when we first started exporting was around 75 to 80 cents.

The US retail price has remained the same but the dollar has not.
( Yes this means we make less profit. We will make more when the $ goes down. You have to roll with the punches ) If the USD dollar was at 60 cents we would not be having this conversation.

Many companies would not even respond to these questions.

We have been kind enough to shed some light to help the forum members understand.

Cheers Phonsy.




P.S We will not be answering questions about the Australian tax system.


Well said mate.

I thought it would have had something to do with our Aussie Dollar being alot stronger than when you sold the stock or struck the deal with the US suppliers.

Thanks for clearing that up as it may hav reflected badly upon the company but thanks to you explaining the situation it clears this up!

Timmy

[nudenut]

Small correction ... GST (where it applies) is 9.09% of the total price, not 11%.

I can certainly see where GMM are coming from - if they tried to link their price to the Aussie dollar to keep their profit consistent, they'd probably lose a lot of US sales.

[BT 57 WA]

On the street version you use your own shifter handle off you original shifter you just unbolt it and fit it to the rip base.

does that mean that on the race version it comes with a handle different to the standard shifter handle?

[CSP]

Small correction ... GST (where it applies) is 9.09% of the total price, not 11%.

That's not even EXACTLY right.

The easiest way to work out the GST portion of a total price is to divide the total by 11. The answer is the GST amount.

E.g.

Total price: $110
Divided by 11 = $10

Good/Service = $100
GST = $10
Total = $110

[VTR8Clubby]

does that mean that on the race version it comes with a handle different to the standard shifter handle?

Yes. Look here. http://www.ripshift.com/rip_holden.html
The race version is complete minus knob and the street version you have to bolt the original gearstick onto it.

[SSBarney]

Small correction ... GST (where it applies) is 9.09% of the total price, not 11%.
.

Hmmm 1/11th is what i meant oops

[macca's LS1]

who do i contact to get hold of a ripshifter from the us

[nudenut]

That's not even EXACTLY right.

The easiest way to work out the GST portion of a total price is to divide the total by 11. The answer is the GST amount.
Exactly, schmexactly. I put in a bit of roundoff error to express as a percentage for a direct comparison, so sue me. 9.09% of $110 is $9.999 anyway, so unless you deal in tenths of a cent it's effectively exact. :stick:

[macca's LS1]

yeah that would be good champ

[BT 57 WA]

its very interesting to see that seem this thread was started the price of the shifter in the us shop has gone up in price and the shop will no longer export just that part to Australia.

so many questions to be answered here.

[keen]

Yep I noticed that. So what is the new US price?

[BT 57 WA]

new us price is $349.99

and quote "We can not export this item to Australia"

[VYSHSV8]

I thought there was a thing called the free trade agreement LOL Oh that only applies to the US not us here, quick Ph call do not sell to AUS

[keen]

Hey Guys

The answer is quite simple.

1. 11% Gst of the total price. We have to pay GST if we sell in Australia.
( Regardless if the product is under $1000 ) Thats our GST working against Aussie companies in this case.

2. Rebates for exporting scheme. Upto 50% claim on some components once your company spends a certain $ amount .

3. US Dollar when we first started exporting was around 75 to 80 cents.

The US retail price has remained the same but the dollar has not.
( Yes this means we make less profit. We will make more when the $ goes down. You have to roll with the punches ) If the USD dollar was at 60 cents we would not be having this conversation.

Many companies would not even respond to these questions.

We have been kind enough to shed some light to help the forum members understand.

Cheers Phonsy.




P.S We will not be answering questions about the Australian tax system.

I understand what you have said and it makes sense.....but why stop local buyers from takeing advantage of exactly the points you meantioned to save some $$$ on a purchase from the US?

[BT 57 WA]

I thought there was a thing called the free trade agreement LOL Oh that only applies to the US not us here, quick Ph call do not sell to AUS

Yes i a a little worried about this happening. im sure this could be looked into a little further.

but im sure you cannot tell an outlet that you cannot sell to certain countries?????????

[duke5700]

I tend to buy alot of my stuff from the USA as stuff turns up quicker, is cheaper and a bigger range.

Problems with that is warranty stuff, wrong item sent etc etc. Ive saved quite a bit and have had an issue or two but Im thousands in front. I dont expect help from local people though. I buy my stuff from the states I suck it and see.

I ordered stuff a while back and because the items where made in the USA, there are no import duties only GST and customs duties.

[FatBoy]

its very interesting to see that seem this thread was started the price of the shifter in the us shop has gone up in price and the shop will no longer export just that part to Australia.

so many questions to be answered here.


Yep I noticed that. So what is the new US price?

LOL, that's pretty funny. Wonder why that happened.... :rofl:

One of my best mates lives in Canada. If i needed one i'd get him to buy it then ship it to me. Will they ban them from sale in Canada now too ??

[BT 57 WA]

LOL, that's pretty funny. Wonder why that happened.... :rofl:

One of my best mates lives in Canada. If i needed one i'd get him to buy it then ship it to me. Will they ban them from sale in Canada now too ??

more than likey as i too have that senario.

[markone2]

but im sure you cannot tell an outlet that you cannot sell to certain countries?????????

Depends who's suppling said shifter....also appears the odd Aus resellers less than impressed :confused:

[BT 57 WA]

Depends who's suppling said shifter....also appears the odd Aus resellers less than impressed :confused:

mark can you explain a little more?

[markone2]

mark can you explain a little more?

Sorry..no , not in public

[SSBarney]

mark can you explain a little more?


As a reseller locally i'm sure in reality you would be unhappy about what you guys are promoting.
Just imagine if you were a local reseller of a locally manufactured part and due to our government means of taxing , your customers could order in a part that you sell
- with out having to pay a 10% tax imposed on the local resellers customers.
- getting the benefits of export subsidies that the local reseller can not get.

Those anomalies are due to government taxing and incentives.
If no one supports the local retailers then how do expect local businesses to survive?

[VX-300]

If you buy from an Australian supplier in this case you pay about $50 in GST.

No GST if you buy from USA but you have indirectly paid shipping and handling costs to get the part to USA which are built into the USA price. Then you pay about $50 to freight the part from USA back to Aust.

My point ,GST is not a contributing factor (in this case) when trying to justify the price difference between the 2 methods. One way you pay GST, the other you pay at least an equivalent amount in International freight.

[If you mention GST against 1 method then to be fair you should mention even higher international freight costs against the other method.]

[VTR8Clubby]

I was going to buy one when I get my new clutch. Now I won't be. Just because we could get it cheaper from overseas the supplier makes the overseas supplier up the price and stop selling it to us.:flipoff:
Might have to have a look at the B&M when the time comes unless the pricing on the Rip is reveiwed.
Hmmm... RIPShifter?? Maybe the name says it all.

[EXCESSV]

most have friends in US and can get it sent to them and then sent here...no big deal.

but yes its odd and not fair that this sort of thing happens...
i see the same in jetski parts...locally made but cheaper to buy from the US and ship here and still hundreds of $$ cheaper on performance kits :eek:

[heavyduty1340]

So SSBarney do you or do you not buy stuff of ebay to save coin ??

Below is just my opinion - not aimed at anyone

It is meant to be free trade , and the internet has made it easier for people to source gear at cheaper prices .

As far as I am concerned, it is price fixing to stop a company from selling an item in a certain place so that other sellers can maximize profits .

What would happen if everyone did this --- mmmm gee the credit card would look better

[Delco]

I was going to buy one when I get my new clutch. Now I won't be. Just because we could get it cheaper from overseas the supplier makes the overseas supplier up the price and stop selling it to us.:flipoff:
Might have to have a look at the B&M when the time comes unless the pricing on the Rip is reveiwed.
Hmmm... RIPShifter?? Maybe the name says it all.

We keep the B&M rippershifter in stock , and you are welcome to come down and have a feel of it in my Monaro at the shop anytime.

[biante12]

Its simple maths really. eg
Ultimate blow up doll, made in/by Australia, exported worldwide. Goods exported in Oct 2007 to US Distributor.

US DISTRIBUTORS
Wholesale price (in AUD) = $250 per unit

US Buy Price (@.84c to AUD$1) = $210 per unit
mark Up (say 70%) = $357 per unit (US Retail.) (Does not include freight costs @ approx $4.95 per unit by sea. Price based on weight and cube)

Tax is added if bought in US at time of purchase. Import duties are virtually non existent. Taxes are gathered at time of sale. International sales are US Tax free

AUS DISTRIBUTORS
Wholesale price (in AUD) = $250 per unit

mark Up (say 70%) = $425 per unit (Aus Retail ex GST) (not including freight nation wide)
(Inc GST) = $467.50

Freight in the US is extremely cheap compared to what Aus companies are charging.

Goods being exported to the US today will be dearer than 3 months ago due to the weakness in the US Dollar.

Every Australian manufacturer suffers the same problem. Their goods are cheaper from the US than they are in Australia depending on the US dollar. The cost of freight within Australia is astronomical due to the cost of fuels. (Just check the cost of fuel in US where it is subsidised by the US Government)

I do this stuff everyday, Importing from China and exporting to the US. It is actually more economical for us to ship direct to US from China.
But the price fluctuations are the same regardless of the product if invoiced from Australian Manufacturers.

Some say it's the Aus guys ripping the buyers off, but as you can see, its not always the case.

[VX-300]

most have friends in US and can get it sent to them and then sent here...no big deal.

If not, make friends with a USA member who has an 04-06GTO or an 08 G8-GT on a car board. Send them Holden parts in exchange for what you're chasing. Using Paypal in $US mode also saves some nasty bank transfer fees.

[Phonsy]

The whole Ripshift price ordeal is dependant on the US Dollar to Aussie Dollar and when we manufacture the product.

The price has risen not because a couple of people have had a whinge but because of the strong Aussie dollar.

It may well have to raise again depending on the dollar.

Anyhow the Current USA price is $350

Add Approx 9% for $ difference last $381.5
time we repriced Ripshift
(Aussie $ Vs US $)

Add $45 for freight ,insurance and handling $426.5

Add the 10%gst we have to charge $469.15

That means the price is approx $30 difference when we last did our sums.

We are not going to change the price everday.

Its tough being an Aussie manufactor and thank everyone for their support with our product.

[heavyduty1340]

Biante , and GMM - I understand exactly what you are saying about the exporting rort

What shits me is that someone has now said that speedinc cannot sell the ripshifter to australia - no-one has told Eagle or Scat or Carrillo that their products have been stopped being bought over the net

If speed inc sell ripshifters to Aust , GMM has still made money , speedinc has made money and the consumer has SAVED money

Shit like this going on is enough to put people off a product and/or a manufacturers goods

Delco - when Im up in Perth , Ill drop around and check out the B&M Shifter

Actually after a quick chat to a few business friends (one in the legal game)

We think the ACCC may have something to say about this

[Funky_Munky]

If speed inc sell ripshifters to Aust , GMM has still made money , speedinc has made money and the consumer has SAVED money


You will find that the profit margin for Australian customer's buying from the US will be significantly lower than Australian customer's buying from an Australian reseller.

Whilst I wouldnt say its good business practice to stop the US shop selling to Australia, I can completely understand why GMM have made that move. It probably will alienate some potential customer's, but in the long run it will save their investment of tens of thousands (potentially hundreds of thousands) thats gone into the R&R and manufacturing costs of the product.

[Phonsy]

Actually after a quick chat to a few business friends (one in the legal game)

We think the ACCC may have something to say about this


Maybe they should investigate Petrol prices.

Cheers Phonsy Mullan

Contact 03 9746 6656

[Dead Man]

The whole Ripshift price ordeal is dependant on the US Dollar to Aussie Dollar and when we manufacture the product.



Add $45 for freight ,insurance and handling $426.5

Its tough being an Aussie manufactor and thank everyone for their support with our product.


Holy carp!!! :shock:

$45 to ship a Ripshift to the US? So thats almost $1000 to ship 22 shifters to the US?

So, lets say you've shipped 1000 shifters over, you've paid out approx $45,000.... next time you have a shipment to make, give me a call first :rofl:

[Phonsy]

Holy carp!!! :shock:

$45 to ship a Ripshift to the US? So thats almost $1000 to ship 22 shifters to the US?

So, lets say you've shipped 1000 shifters over, you've paid out approx $45,000.... next time you have a shipment to make, give me a call first :rofl:

Read it again . Or do you need a little help.

Figure was based on 1 shifter only.

It included freight , Insurance ( U may need it ) and handling .

Good to see a new member stirring up some shit.:xmas:

[VTR8Clubby]

The whole Ripshift price ordeal is dependant on the US Dollar to Aussie Dollar and when we manufacture the product.

The price has risen not because a couple of people have had a whinge but because of the strong Aussie dollar.

It may well have to raise again depending on the dollar.

Anyhow the Current USA price is $350

Add Approx 9% for $ difference last $381.5
time we repriced Ripshift
(Aussie $ Vs US $)

Add $45 for freight ,insurance and handling $426.5

Add the 10%gst we have to charge $469.15

That means the price is approx $30 difference when we last did our sums.

We are not going to change the price everday.

Its tough being an Aussie manufactor and thank everyone for their support with our product.

So it's still $30 cheaper after it's shipped to the US, marked up and shipped back to Oz. Surely you can see there's something wrong there.

[Justice R8]

Guys

understand that there is obviously a dealer price which is what speed inc would get. He would have an agreement to maybe be a US distributor and for that he would probably buy in 100 or 1000 lots. As a supplier when someone orders lots it brings down your cost of production therefore allows you to give a better price. The uUS dollars plays a part as well. If speed inc bought whilst the dollars was 65c he has got a real bargain. Speed inc has decided not to sell outside the US and thats their decision not GM motorsport.

I understand that everyone is on a budget and it cuts when you can get a single one cheaper OS, but obviously they are working on very little margin.

[michaels1v8]

For $500 delivered to your door its still good value.

Exporting to the US would mean shipping large numbers to suppliers and as we all know from our group buys on here buying in a large quantity you get some discount (hell look at the size discount we got on the OTRs or HIDs and we were ordering less than 100... Shipping 1000+ shifters at a time to someone they are bound to get a decent discount).

Really GMM are just trying to run a business against a unfavourable (to exporters) Australian dollar. They were due for a price rise. Most contracts are locked to a set exchange rate so slowly and slowly they could have been making less $$$.

The difference is now only $30 odd in price. If your that upset over $30, you might need to re-think your priorities because maybe you shouldnt be spending this kind of money on your car :confused:

[Blown 540]

Well said Micheals1v8. :yup:

[SOBSE]

i will second that.

[biante12]

Finally!!! someone who fully understands the problems Australian exporters have to deal with everyday when their products are sold to the US of A and the narrow mindedness of some people who think the Aussie suppliers are ripping them off because they can buy the same Aussie products cheaper in the US.

Until these people understand the complexities/costs/bullsh!t Australian Companies have to go through to export their products, they will never realise that everyone including the exporter is being ripped off by the US Governments business ethics.

If you can buy a product cheaper in the US, then buy it, but don't go sprouting that the Aussie manufacturer is ripping you off. A LITTLE amount of knowledge can do a whole LOT of damage.

Well said "michaels1v8"