08 R1, Brand new bike shop crashed it.

[MY LS1]

Ok heres the story

yesterday i went to pick up my brand new r1, i got there and it was on the back of the shops ute, Walkin up to it i was like , hey thats like mine,

Then walkin past i was like shit that is a 08 r1 , "oh FU** they have dropped it /slow crashed it , Here im thinkin it better not be my bike, looked at the number plate, yet that was my bike. i yelled out Your joking right.

Out comes the boss, "im so sorry" the mechanic just crashed it as u can see, i can get all the parts in today and will have it fixed tomorrow and u can come and check it over and talk about what price discount , or ill have another new one in just over 1 week, its upto you.

Im just after some thoughts from you guys. like a low speed crash, can u damage a bike that easy, he has to change the swing arm both blinkers, fairing , headlights timing plate i think the exhaust cover atthe back , rar fairing clutch lever, passanger ped, front peg, gear shifter hmmm thats about all i could see.

can post a pic, i need 3 more posts

i think Its worth waiting 1 or so weeks unless he takes 3 k off the price? what do you think?

[LS2_307]

Ok heres the story

yesterday i went to pick up my brand new r1, i got there and it was on the back of the shops ute, Walkin up to it i was like , hey thats like mine,

Then walkin past i was like shit that is a 08 r1 , "oh FU** they have dropped it /slow crashed it , Here im thinkin it better not be my bike, looked at the number plate, yet that was my bike. i yelled out Your joking right.

Out comes the boss, "im so sorry" the mechanic just crashed it as u can see, i can get all the parts in today and will have it fixed tomorrow and u can come and check it over and talk about what price discount , or ill have another new one in just over 1 week, its upto you.

Im just after some thoughts from you guys. like a low speed crash, can u damage a bike that easy, he has to change the swing arm both blinkers, fairing , headlights timing plate i think the exhaust cover atthe back , rar fairing clutch lever, passanger ped, front peg, gear shifter hmmm thats about all i could see.

can post a pic, i need 3 more posts

i think Its worth waiting 1 or so weeks unless he takes 3 k off the price? what do you think?


Dont go near it!
Accept only a new one.(check the numbers on the crashed one)

thats wat i would do.

[RIDE:42]

New one for sure

[cheech09]

Hi,
Don’t accept the crashed bike. That bike has had it…..stay well away from it…..better safe than sorry…
Make sure you take the serial numbers of a couple of parts on the crashed bike so when you get your new bike you know your new bike is NEW…. Not the crashed bike with new parts….

Regards
Soren

[HSV271]

Even a low speed crash can cause hair line fractures in the subframe that will not affect the bike now, but later could be a big problem. Thi is because the subframe is designed to twist/move a certain way.

Tell them you want a new one... or get this bike for a 100% discount if you know what I mean. :evil:

[spank]

really depends on what you intend on doing with the bike, if youre like me (i have a 400klm 07 cbr1000 fireblade) and just want it for the odd sunday ride and to look at it like its a piece of art, then wait for them to get another new one, if you want to do ride days down the race track and really fang the thing hard i would take the bike fixed but with a significant discount, maybe wait until they have repaired the bike and then make up your mind

[MY LS1]

yeah i was thinking 3k off and nothing less.

i have the vin, engine numebrs. there would be things im sure that i cant see that they just leave if they can get away with it m sure. He would have fixed it up im sure if i had been another few days later picking it up and i would have never knowin.

Does a revs cheak tell u if it has been in a crash?

[APCLB]

Get him to put it in writing now.......accept nothing but a brand new bike!
At least he sounded very up front etc,plus he's given you the option of repair or new bike.....so not all that bad.:(

[mosoto]

Replacement, there is no other option. If the frame or something else fails later at 100Kph who's going to pay for it? And at what cost, Your LIFE !!!!!!!

[MY LS1]

like what speeds are we talkin about all these crashes, 50 klm n under u think? im goin to look now at it n see.

i need one more post then i can put a pic up and u can see

[Road Warrior]

like what speeds are we talkin about all these crashes, 50 klm n under u think? im goin to look now at it n see.

i need one more post then i can put a pic up and u can see

Mate with some modern SS bikes all you need to do is drop it going around a roundabout or even in your garage and it will be a financial writeoff. The plastics on modern bikes cost obscene amounts of money.

If it were me - he's offered you a new bike - shit mate I'd be jumping on that deal straight out, let them deal with the wreck.

[smokiebbear]

Ok so reply to this post and then put up some pics

[LJCHSV]

Under NO circumstances should you buy this bike....wait the week....you'll regret it if you do!...Remember this...you do not owe them anything!

Good luck with the NEW UNCRASHED R1 you will get in a week...hope its the black one:dance:

[CarlFST60L]

Might be worth while asking them not to test ride your new bike under any circumstances. If they insist on test riding it, say you will do it when theyare ready, or you will come watch them. For all you know, it comes in with 0 kays, the start it and hold it flat without even warming it up.

[smokiebbear]

This says you have 10 posts anyhow so you should be able to put up some pics ....

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[Oversteer]

Id definately be asking for a brand new bike, why not if you have the option.

I just feel for the guy or gal that buys the low speed crash bike that you originally ordered..I wonder if the dealer will sell it as an ex demo or new bike??

[gasguz]

Grab a new one off them, that way you will not have that little voice that always keeps popping up saying that there is something wrong with this one since the crash & I should have taken the offer of a brand new not crashed bike.

That is bad luck though

[macca33]

Yep, new bike - don't be sucked in by a discount. In the long-run, it is a crashed/repaired bike and will the discount suffice, if anything appears to be faulty later on down the track.

It's only one extra week to wait.

Cheers,

Macca

[bambam]

Ill post it for you.

damage isnt bad. Looks like a drop in the workshop whilst being moved. A good discount would be good enough for me.

But better for everyone, including the dealer, if you get a new bike, they fix up this one and sell it to some other bloke for normal price.




http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/bambam_101/r1.jpg

[gasguz]

That bike has gone for a pretty good skid on its side. I think a little bit more that just being dropped while moving in the workshop. Or maybe the pics make it look worse. At the end of the day make the decision that you will be happy with.

Cheers mate & enjoy the new pocket rocket once you get it sorted, love the colour

[Toddler78]

new bike, it is easier to sell a bike saying never been crashed, when it is time for you to sell it

[Avalanche]

Go the new bike for sure. Actually after some of the happenings that my bro has told me about the bike shops that he worked in before opening his business, i would want the bike left in the crate for my self to put together. Did i mention pimply faced 16 yr olds assembling & pding road bikes???? Make sure all the jeesus nut are torqued properly. Maybe i told you about the "legend" mechanic who brags that all he needs is his shifter ,hammer & grinder. Or that if he even checked the tyre pressure on the services , the customer should be happy paying $700 for his service??:shock: What happens at car dealerships is 10 times worse a bike shops.

[L-iam]

for a week id deff wait for a new bike. you were prepared to pay that price for a new one anyway so its only another week...

a friend had his drunk mate "write off" his R6 in the garage by dropping it. that sucked.

[Titanium]

2 words - New Bike!

You will always have a crashed bike if you accept this one repaired.

It is not actually your bike until you sign the delivery acceptance ....

So it is still "their bike", so why would you want to purchase their crashed bike?

New Bike, New Bike, New Bike.

[dominator_SS]

yep id be waiting for a new one mate....there to fast to be wondering what if......

[Vulture]

Dont go near it!
Accept only a new one.(check the numbers on the crashed one)

thats wat i would do.

:yup:


That bike has gone for a pretty good skid on its side. I think a little bit more that just being dropped while moving in the workshop.

My thoughts as well. Looks like a slow speed slide on the new tyres. Looks more than a simple topple while moving in the workshop! Don't even think about accepting it!

[BigJim]

Id say i want a new one to.

But if you did accept a discount it would want to be large discount.

[vscorsa]

Only a new one!!! That is not a static or slow low side!!!

If you want to see how hard it was dropped check the triple clamps where the steering lock/block meets and look for a dent. They are only aluminium so will show up quite easily.

[Avalanche]

Ahh, another bike shop employee that takes a new bike out on waxy greasy new tyres for a fang down to the servo for a fill. Its like ground hog day for bike shops, happens all the time. If its not the bike shop doing it, it will be a **** owner showing off out the driveway.

[dominator_SS]

being a salesman for bike, iv seen it 1000 times!!

[Road Warrior]

Little wonder there is so many bikes on Fowles website for auction with less than 500km on them...some with under 100km on them because new riders/shop staff aren't careful enough with the cold waxy tyres and bin it!!

[HYMEY]

If they drop a decent amount of the price I would keep it.

Is the swing arm bent or scratched.

It has definately been binned on the road. I wouldn't call it bad though. It wont affect the bikes value if it is only fairings and levers.

Have you owned many bikes. How does it feel to ride?

Really it doesn't look to bad. I know a lot of people on here would only except a new bike but IMO as I own bikes and have crashed them and repaired them. Its bugger all.

But at the end of the day its your decision. The value will only drop if the repairs are dodgy. They are all new parts so its not a drama.

[clubbie]

Ask another Yamaha dealer and they will tell you even a small crash on an R1 can cause fatigue or worse cracking of the frame ESPECIALLY where the swing arm connects to the frame and where the triple clamps connect to the frame on an R1. (depends on how it was hit)

You paid for a new bike...make sure you get a new bike.

And when you get your new bike as others have said...ride real slow and weave heaps or sandpaper the tyres to remove the wax build or you will bin it just like the mechanic did.

Clubbie

Edit: saw the pics.....has been for a slide down the road for sure......but fcuk em get a new one

[965WRC]

Looks like the mechanic dropped it then dragged it 2 metres for good measure. Get a new one. That way theirs no arguements down the track if something else mechanically crops up on a repaired bike.

[ls1vt209]

Don't take anything but a new one

[Boom]

Wow if something as minor as that can cause fatigue in the frame and give problems later, why would you buy one in the first place? Are these bikes only good to look at? How would they handle a trip on most of our so called roads then?

[SLugg]

new bike , new bike , new bike

it shouldnt even be a question

I bought a new bike

not a second hand crashed one


firk the discount , I want a new bike

[clubbie]

Wow if something as minor as that can cause fatigue in the frame and give problems later, why would you buy one in the first place? Are these bikes only good to look at? How would they handle a trip on most of our so called roads then?

So i am guessing you have not seen what happens to the frame of any bike after a supposed small crash....bike looks ok but with it's frame cracked. That does not always happen but does. Hit anything solid like a gutter can end up with the same result. Yet the same type of bike can be raced quite successfully for a few seasons with no dramas...go figure.

I can explain it for you in simple terms...bike sliding down the road and bounces a few times....exhaust/pegs trapped between swingarm/bike and road...makes the frame of any bike take a very high lateral load...hence cracked frame. Does happen rather more regularly than you think and it's not just Jap bikes that this has happened to. So if a bike has been dropped take your chances.

Clubbie

[VU_SS_UTE]

Ok heres the story

yesterday i went to pick up my brand new r1, i got there and it was on the back of the shops ute, Walkin up to it i was like , hey thats like mine,

Then walkin past i was like shit that is a 08 r1 , "oh FU** they have dropped it /slow crashed it , Here im thinkin it better not be my bike, looked at the number plate, yet that was my bike. i yelled out Your joking right.

Out comes the boss, "im so sorry" the mechanic just crashed it as u can see, i can get all the parts in today and will have it fixed tomorrow and u can come and check it over and talk about what price discount , or ill have another new one in just over 1 week, its upto you.

Im just after some thoughts from you guys. like a low speed crash, can u damage a bike that easy, he has to change the swing arm both blinkers, fairing , headlights timing plate i think the exhaust cover atthe back , rar fairing clutch lever, passanger ped, front peg, gear shifter hmmm thats about all i could see.

can post a pic, i need 3 more posts

i think Its worth waiting 1 or so weeks unless he takes 3 k off the price? what do you think?

I'd be after a new one and a discount for the wait!

That bike has hit the deck at a good 20-30 kph!

[R8 OwNeR]

Everytime i get new tyres on my bike i always grab a bottle of acetone, pour some onto a rag then wipe around the whole tyre. It gets rid of the wax straight away.

[Tallman]

Maybe look at the mechanics arms and legs to see how cut up they are?!! haha no just joking, I know nothing, but a new bike, you asked for one, so why settle for a near new one, wait the week man.

[spainy]

Imagine in a couple of weeks time when you are cleaning every last bug and tar mark off every nook and cranny of your new bike and you discover scratches that were covered up... Not worth any discount in my opinion... As a buyer you negotiate your price on a new bike. Any "discount" they give you only reduces their profit.

[uncle]

So i am guessing you have not seen what happens to the frame of any bike after a supposed small crash....bike looks ok but with it's frame cracked. That does not always happen but does. Hit anything solid like a gutter can end up with the same result. Yet the same type of bike can be raced quite successfully for a few seasons with no dramas...go figure.

I can explain it for you in simple terms...bike sliding down the road and bounces a few times....exhaust/pegs trapped between swingarm/bike and road...makes the frame of any bike take a very high lateral load...hence cracked frame. Does happen rather more regularly than you think and it's not just Jap bikes that this has happened to. So if a bike has been dropped take your chances.

Clubbie

LOL umm yeah no,they sky wont fall if you drop a bike on the ground.
I get paid to ride as a stuntrider I crash alot of bikes quite often.
just off the top of my head.
My bikes
98 CBR919 6years of stuntwork 500+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
01 CBR929 4 year of stuntwork 300+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
01 R6 3 years of stuntwork 300+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
03 CRB600RR 2 years of stuntwork 100+ times hitting the ground no damge to frame.
06 CBR600F4i 50+ times hitting the ground still a O.K

And thats just my bikes not the 5 other guys I ride with,yes one drop can be enough but its not a very commen thing to happen at all.I know of one mule 03 GSXR600 that has cracked but its had way more hits the elvis.
While bike frames are getting lighter and weaker by the year it has not come to the point yet that they break like glass the moment a leaf falls on your bike.
Cast sub frames will bend at tweak at the drop of a hat but its not like you can miss that just looking at a bike.

P.S Its your new pride and joy only a new bike should do.
Just looking at the pic that bike would be classed as a repairable writeoff.
3 points of contact 2 front 1 back in enough.
So if your happy to have a rep-writeoff as you new bike go ahead....


No thats what I thought new bike for you.
:)

[Desertws6]

You bought the bike new, they damaged it.

They owe you a new bike. You did not buy a damaged bike.

I would only accept a damaged bike if it was 50% off, period. Quickly sell it after a few miles then buy another new one, from a different dealer.

Best wishes Mate!
,Steve

[iloveholden]

You bought the bike new, they damaged it.

They owe you a new bike. You did not buy a damaged bike.

I would only accept a damaged bike if it was 50% off, period. Quickly sell it after a few miles then buy another new one, from a different dealer.

Best wishes Mate!
,Steve

Yeah you are right mate. You ordered a new bike and thats what you should get nothing less. BTW colour looks good :)

[Road Warrior]

LOL umm yeah no,they sky wont fall if you drop a bike on the ground.
I get paid to ride as a stuntrider I crash alot of bikes quite often.
just off the top of my head.
My bikes
98 CBR919 6years of stuntwork 500+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
01 CBR929 4 year of stuntwork 300+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
01 R6 3 years of stuntwork 300+ times hitting the ground no damage to frame.
03 CRB600RR 2 years of stuntwork 100+ times hitting the ground no damge to frame.
06 CBR600F4i 50+ times hitting the ground still a O.K

And thats just my bikes not the 5 other guys I ride with,yes one drop can be enough but its not a very commen thing to happen at all.I know of one mule 03 GSXR600 that has cracked but its had way more hits the elvis.
While bike frames are getting lighter and weaker by the year it has not come to the point yet that they break like glass the moment a leaf falls on your bike.
Cast sub frames will bend at tweak at the drop of a hat but its not like you can miss that just looking at a bike.

P.S Its your new pride and joy only a new bike should do.
Just looking at the pic that bike would be classed as a repairable writeoff.
3 points of contact 2 front 1 back in enough.
So if your happy to have a rep-writeoff as you new bike go ahead....


No thats what I thought new bike for you.
:)


And do you have stunt/crash cages fitted to these bikes?

[uncle]

I sure do,this make it even harder on the frames as the cages bolt on to the frame via engine mounts and sub frame tabs.
Along with the 12 bar mounted to the sub frame.
This is the only pic I can find now but you can see how it mounts off the frame.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/Martin_U/562487722_1b87bcae87_b.jpg

[Major Jock Itch]

dangerous indeed.. the end result would be quite painful

[foylema]

lol falling off my bmx is bad enough

[jimiemick]

Id tell there where to shuv the bike, I worked at a bike shop a few times if a bike got damaged at our shop we had to replace it.