Cam, Supercharger or Turbocharger

[Clubby 57]

i have a stock HSV VTII Clubsport and would like around 300RWKW,
the car is a manual and will be a daily driver im looking at spending about $10,000 on it but im not sure which why to go, so which way would you go and why also what make of equipment would you use if you were going to do this.

Thank you

[mechatron]

Since your car is stock, unfortunately $10K will not be enough for a supercharger or turbocharger. Even though you can get the turbo kit installed and tuned for about $12K, you need to take in consideration an exhaust and clutch (about $4K there) as well as a fuel system.

Head and Cam would be the way to go for $10K and you should get around the 290-300rwkw mark

[boofsta]

Since your car is stock, unfortunately $10K will not be enough for a supercharger or turbocharger. Even though you can get the turbo kit installed and tuned for about $12K, you need to take in consideration an exhaust and clutch (about $4K there) as well as a fuel system.

Head and Cam would be the way to go for $10K and you should get around the 290-300rwkw mark


i agree with mechatron, head an cam should get u there no worries but everything else mods wise will need to be considered. consider new tyres to once 300rwkw is achieved as you might find the rears will fade quite fast.
Good luck with it... :eyes:

[Clubby 57]

What about the CAPA kits they start at $5000 i know im looking at about $8000 for Cam & exhaust pack which should give me 300rwkw but what about using it as a daily driver

[jezza85]

I would think that $10000 would just strape you into the 300rwkw ball park but it's all the little extra's that you need to consider like fuel system and clutch upgrade, maybe go a baseline Capa supercharger package for about $5000 they should include atleast some larger injectors, but you may need to upgrade your fuel pump aswell.
You maybe able to get the exhaust and clutch for the other $5000 if you shop around.

[1HDT 05]

After the LS1 cruise I quoted around to spend 10 ish on exhaust (full system), ORTCAI, cam package & tune, 3.70 diff gears. Most of these quotes were around 10.5k to 11k mark.

Like the other guys have said you can get a supercharger kit but installation and other add ons to make the package work right are going to be a lot more than 10k.

In the end I have decided to only do the exhaust, OTRCAI and tune at this stage and leave the option of FI to do later. I decided not to go down the cam path because I didn't want to install a stallie and that limited my options to milder cam applications that I wasnt interested in.

Good luck with your choice.

[BLACKWAGON]

As far as the daily driver bit goes, 99% of us are driving cammed cars as dailys.
Unless you put some enournmous cam in it these days they all seem pretty bloody good on the street.
My mrs drives the wagon everyday with the 6spd and cam with no dramas whatsoever.
As said above, 2-3 for exhaust, than cai, diff gears etc.
Most drive in-drive out packages I have been quoted on earlier were 10-12 for SC with all u need and I had all the other stuff done.

[Clubby 57]

i was quoted $8500 for cam 230ish , injectors, ls6 manifold, twin 3inch SS exhaust with extractors, cats & tune. as told it would get me about 310rwkw would then just need to get a new clutch. sound great but i didnt want to atract the cops thats why i was thinking Blower

[iloveholden]

i was quoted $8500 for cam 230ish , injectors, ls6 manifold, twin 3inch SS exhaust with extractors, cats & tune. as told it would get me about 310rwkw would then just need to get a new clutch. sound great but i didnt want to atract the cops thats why i was thinking Blower

sounds good mate but if you go for a blower and put your foot down your gonna attract some attention as well :bow:

[6ltrvz]

Clubby 57, plenty of people will tell you what you want to hear & take your hard earn $$. To get to were you want to go KW wise, in Adel thats a bit harder as not so many to choose from if you want some help let me know I've been using same guy for for near on 20yrs. Great work, good HP at reasonable price.

[Clubby 57]

who do you go through i was thinking of giving KPM a call about supercharger or turbo charger and i got a qoute through enhanced for the cam

[ORRBI]

What about the CAPA kits they start at $5000 i know im looking at about $8000 for Cam & exhaust pack which should give me 300rwkw but what about using it as a daily driver

Hey mate i've just gone through this with my car. I bought the capa
$7000 intercooled blower kit. And i was very dissapointed with it. I've
had to do alot of things twice to get it to perform to where i'm happy
with it. I would not reccomend going that way. My mates car with just
a cam only went just as good and for only half the price.

If i could do it all over again it would be the gen t 1000 kit for me.

[BLACKVE]

Had my cam fitted by Brenton at Auto Techniques he's in Ridgehaven 83960445. Great bloke with no BS advice etc. Knows his stuff with ls series engines.

[OUTAtheBloo]

I have a T1000 (single turbo) for sale here

Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=90098)

$7500 Turbokit, fuel system, exhaust boost controller. Bolt on easy 380rwkw PLUS...

Dan

[6ltrvz]

Clubby 57, I've used Neville Smith Speciatly Tuning at Marion, as already mentioned over 20 yrs with my Brockies & HSV's etc. No rubbish just good honest advise.

[Tre-Cool]

If your gonna go cammed. then look at a l76 transplant. easy 300rwkw, even upto 350rwkw if you put in a big cam.

you may even be able to make some bucks of your old engine.

[Funky_Munky]

Plan B has a Gen TT on his avalanche with a stock exhaust and clutch and the thing still canes. Easiliy over 300 rwkw. Something to consider.

Edit: to answer your question, Id definitely say head and cam package and you can probably get a full exhaust and cats thrown into it as well for $10K. Would definitely sound a lot meatier and would probably be just as quick as a Gen TT with all else standard.

[SICK SS]

if your buget is 10 g i would go a 383 stroker there were forum sponser russo advetising dive in drive out deal for around 10g and chipmaster in wa were doing camed l98 6l for around that to

[Clubby 57]

thank you for all your help i guess i now just need to work out which one i want as i was leaning towards supercharger but my go back to looking at just a cam pack. i guess i just need to find people with both and try and get them to take me for a spin to see which one i like best

[FITZY777]

thank you for all your help i guess i now just need to work out which one i want as i was leaning towards supercharger but my go back to looking at just a cam pack. i guess i just need to find people with both and try and get them to take me for a spin to see which one i like best


Were in Adelaide are ya mate ?

[PACIFIC]

Hey mate,

I went supergarged LS1 first made 550RWHP, went for a drive i a twin turbo ute, Blower was of the car with in 2 weeks of having it on and turbos are now the go. Go the Turbos I feel but its up to you, but at the end of the day forced Ls1's are great.

[ls1vt209]

Go the blower

[SICK SS]

Plan B has a Gen TT on his avalanche with a stock exhaust and clutch and the thing still canes. Easiliy over 300 rwkw. Something to consider.

Edit: to answer your question, Id definitely say head and cam package and you can probably get a full exhaust and cats thrown into it as well for $10K. Would definitely sound a lot meatier and would probably be just as quick as a Gen TT with all else standard.

it wont last it would be a mater of time b4 it died. I had a stock clutch on my ute when it was supercharged as soon as you start puting your foot into it i lost all pedal feel the pedal was on the floor.

[Red CV8 R]

Plan B has a Gen TT on his avalanche with a stock exhaust and clutch and the thing still canes. Easiliy over 300 rwkw. Something to consider.




He has a manual Avalanche? I am probably wrong but I thought they were all autos?

[RED R8]

I own a decent sized cammed VE R8 and are very happy with it BUT in the last two weeks I have driven a VE SS with a TT kit at 6psi (boost was low ish as the owner is young and wanted to start with a bit lower power) and then today drove a VE GTS with Harrop blower.
Both cars are manuals inc mine as well so this is my thoughts.

My car Cam only Fors:Good power up from stock 300rwhp to 411rwhp ,awesome cam idle cost all up with decent extractors and cats, twin 3" catback, VCM air intake ,tuned etc was approx $6400.
Against: Not much really

VE GTS Harrop:Fors drove quite like a stocker untill you pushed the loud pedal made 500rwhp.
Against: Power at normal driving speeds seemed very similar to my cam only it wasn't until you hit higher RPM's that it came on strong ,cost inc Exhaust and other bits you need would be around your 18-20k mark (correct me if im wrong)

VE SS TT:Fors: now I will start by saying I AM NOT A TURBO FAN....until I drove this car it was outstanding and gave a stock idle and driving manners and I mean stock but once you fed the power on the rush was very very nice (adictive) to a point where I thought about thet car for the last week and want to drive it again. The other plus I see is you can give yourself more power quite easily with more boost. Cost for a TT set up would be 10-14k and can now be licensed which is a plus, motor also looked stock from the engine bay.
Against: I don't have the 10-14k no other against.

I now know the path I would take for my next car (many years away) but can't stress enough ...YOU have to drive each combo and find the one YOU like. I would have never considered the Turbo option which would have (for ME) been a big mistake. Drive them and pick the one your after you might find the cheaper cam only option is your favorite.

[badnews]

unfortunately $10K will not be enough for a supercharger or turbocharger.

i heard a little rumour (well not so much a rumour, i really just heard about it) today about a workshop that will be doing single turbos drive in drive out with a fuel system for $10,500.00 something for everyone to think about.

[Sparky 59]

Hi - I have a VX and have just had a cam fitted and a mafless tune - Have Pacemaker header and no cats together with cold air intake.

Car did 280rwkw and is really good to drive. Im in NZ and paid 3500 for the lot which included new valve springs etc.

Took a bit to get tune right but not car all good

Hope this helps - Regards Andrew

[enemyss]

i supercharged my old vuss capa powerdyne 5psi baby supercharger

5000 charger
1800 zorst extr twin 2 half
400 water inject
1200 extreme clutch
1600 tune
800 larger injectors

290rwkw everytime on the dyno

[ImpulSSiVZ]

i heard a little rumour (well not so much a rumour, i really just heard about it) today about a workshop that will be doing single turbos drive in drive out with a fuel system for $10,500.00 something for everyone to think about.

Heard the rumour 2 months ago.
Someone in Sydney beginning with S.

[VEGTS]

My auto GTS has cam/harrop blower/3" zorst. Its a daily driver & i drive it hard every day. The best think is if i want i can drive it normal & get good fuel economy. But how can you drive it normal with 388rwkw...:woot:

[JAZ72D]

Its a hard choice to make.
The cam or charger kits are likely going to be retail price.
But the other bits like extractors, cats & exhaust can always be found 2nd hand on here or ebay. You can always shop around for a tune, but make sure they have had good feedback on the tunes.
My point is, that you can save some money to keep it under $10k.
I was looking at going the supercharger option as it appealed to me, as when its time to sell the car you can pull it off and sell it separately.
I managed to find a car that already had the SC on it, including full exhaust etc. All it needed was a decent tune, now I love it. Only problem is now I want more power!!!

[OUTAtheBloo]

You will always want more power, no matter what you do. The secret is to pick the type of power you will most enjoy, depending on your budget :)

Dan

[badnews]

Heard the rumour 2 months ago.
Someone in Sydney beginning with S.

Na the one i seen was in a canberra workshop, should be able to have a 1 week turn-around they reckon and it should be happening pretty soon from what i was told.

[VZSSTT]

if it was me on a 10k budget i would look to put a TTR Kit on. can buy one for under that and if you are handy with the spanners fit it up urself. Massive HP Can still be used as a daily driver win win win win. apart for extra on exhaust lol

[RATTLER]

If I only wanted to spend $10k, I'd go:

1. Cam & head package
2. Exhaust
3. NOS kit (for the track only of course)
4. Double row timing chain

Before I went for the Whipple blower, I looked in to the CAPA system and the price they give me was for the basic kit which does not include bigger injectors, fuel system etc etc etc. Be very careful and be sure to ask what comes with an induction kit before and if you purchase.

When I first got the 2.3ltr Whipple, I got everything you need plus a Difillipo 3" exhaust, CNC coated 1 7/8" extractors and upgraded Harrop brake set up for just over $20K which gave me 336RWKW

Good luck matey :)

[john-gee]

A big disadvantage of supercharging appears to be noise
Eaton type sounds a bit like a gear drive and the vortech type more like a jet
compressor sound.(higher pitch)
What is the quietest supercharger ?

[VYSHSV8]

What is the quietest supercharger ?

Electric of E-Bay :rofl::rofl:

[vx_clubby]

A big disadvantage of supercharging appears to be noise
Eaton type sounds a bit like a gear drive and the vortech type more like a jet
compressor sound.(higher pitch)
What is the quietest supercharger ?

V2-SQ or powerdyne as far as I know, but then again its not the most powerful either

[LSX-438]

Personally i think a 300rwkw-ish H/C package gives the best streetabilty / tractability / grin factor & value - and you still have some fun really winding it out on the street - i mean you can actually drive the thing and have fun. Other combos heading north of say 350rwkw or 400rwkw are just too much for the street i reckon.

[macca33]

I tend to agree with you there mate, although, undoubtedly there will be others who won't.

Why have 350+ if you cannot use it, due to a lack of traction? I simply think it can be outright dangerous to have that much poke in a street-driven car....:hide:

Fair enough for someone who does a lot of racing though, I 'spose.

Cheers,

Macca

[TLX]

Personally i think a 300rwkw-ish H/C package gives the best streetabilty / tractability / grin factor & value - and you still have some fun really winding it out on the street - i mean you can actually drive the thing and have fun. Other combos heading north of say 350rwkw or 400rwkw are just too much for the street i reckon.


+ 1.....

Having driven the GTS with 300rwk exhaust/cam combo, it was a sweet package on the street. With 400rwk now, the right foot needs to be feathered:rofl:

[HitmansV8]

yea i agree with the cam an head upgrade, i have already been in your situation wondering what to buy unfortunatly for 10gz the only thing you can get is the cam but maybe if you wait a bit save another 6 gz onto your 10 an theres your turbo.. thats what im doing jus gunna tune it with exhaust an otr for the moment with diff gears an leave the turbo later when you can afford it.. or do the same if you want super charger, but im a fan of forced induction so thats why if you want the lumpy sound at the lights go the cam nice and cheap for a good amount of power but if you want more jus save lol hope you have fun im sure either direction you go ya will.. :rofl:

[jonnyd1986]

Gday, Does a cam or supercharger reduce engine life-by much? Will a cammed L98 last longer than a low boost supercharger on a stock L98? How many km's would a motor like this get out of each, cammed or supercharged saying it wasnt thrashed much and regular oil changes?

Do i need to worry? Anyones thoughts?


Thanks
Jon