What are Jeep Cherokees (XJ) like?

[Yoda]

Hi,
Can anyone (especially past/current owners) give me their thoughts on the
Jeep Cherokees (XJ model) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee_(XJ))

I am looking for a cheap bush basher for some 4WD'ing and towing a trailer.
Want something that I don't mind getting a few scratches on, good for 4wd'ing (will put some diff locks on it etc) and suitable to tow about 1.5 -2 tonne. Currently leaning to the 4 litre petrol with the auto option.
Don't want the grand cherokee.
What are they like at 4WD'ing?.


Does anyone know if a good one around the place ( good mechanically, lower kms etc) , someone may be getting rid off etc.

Many thanks

[amckiwi]

They have major problems with diff noise in them

My mate is a mechanic had his front diff rebuilt under warrenty and still noisy

They are built down to a price and chrysler skimped on things they are no where near as rugged as earlier jeeps especialy in the 4wd area

Was told there are problems with driving a hot car into water the diff seals do not work well when the metal parts shrink in the cold alowing water in where it should not be.

The motor in it is rugged but it dates back to 1964

I have a version in my 1964 Rambler Classic

Stu

This is anecdotal but my mate loves Ramblers he started the Rambler Club in Australia and there is still alconnection to these vehicles and he will not recomend them
Get some expert advice

[markone2]

Thought all my christmas had arrived at once having scored low K 96 model from raffles for the tender price of 4K.....vehicle presented like new..till I drove it..estimate on rwc repairs to repair front end and diff :confused:....more than purchase price :shock:.that one was bounced back to the auction house faster than I could crack the top off a cold one

[Uwish]

We have a Grand Cherokee for sale .
Red with all the options of that model.
96 model. Going cheap. Was my old mans car.

[WH Captain]

Steer Clear, Prob after Prob. Diffs, Driveshafts, Brake Booster, Radiator Wheel Bearings have all gone in a mates one, it only had 108k on the clock.. ther just Crap cars mate

[Uwish]

All been replaced! One old man owner.

[Space Pope]

If you're serious about 4x4...stick to the Japanese offerings is my advice. The sepos don't do a reliable 'real world' 4x4 to tell the truth. And if something breaks I think sourcing parts would be alot easier for a Patrol or Land Cruiser thana jeep no matter where you are. Heaps around.

[Goanna]

I think there not bad, check out the latest 4WD action mag, it has a Black XJ beast that is my supervisors from work. He has done a shit load of work to it and is a amazing beast off road, the mag and DVD talks about what he has done to it. Good read, he also races one in the Finke and other off road racing events.

[PBoB]

:nono: STAY AWAY!!!!

Jeep Cherokee's have a massive wiring problem somewhere which causes them to catch fire, their computers reset all the time and need to be towed to dealers to fix, and last but not least, if you go around a corner just a bit too fast - plop!!! They fall over - NO BULLSH*T!!!

A mate of mine used to work at the joint Mitsubishi-Chrysler dealership at Redcliffe and he reckons they are one of the worst new cars EVER to roll off the showroom floors. I'm not sure about the new models as he hasn't worked there for about 1.5 yrs but the model you are talking about - :spew:

Hope this helps
Phil

P.S Get a Patrol, you'll never look back.

[OPPYLOCK]

There are some known problems with the XJ's but as with most things most things everyones mates brothers old man had one and blah blah blah.
Try here:
http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/index.php
These guys, although biased, will tell you what to look for.
Goodluck.

[nang3]

yeh i'd go for a cheap GQ II patrol over a jeep..

ive had 2 patrols and they are bulletproof, only prob i ever had was the rear view mirror snapping off my GQ, but 4 x 15inch subs will do that hahhaa..

im almost thinking of selling my phoon and building another nice GQ like my old one - 35inch mudders on 15 x 10's, 7inch liftkit, $10k stereo, full leather, factory fridge, diff locks etc - and getting a road bike for my speed fix haha

[Baseplate]

I drive a 06 Wrangler TJ, am a member of a Jeep club (and have a VE SS).

I think I am qualified to say that the XJ is a great vehicle for off road and as for the wiring issues and the built to a price garbage - my SS is built to a price too (she's not exactly Porsche GT3 material).

Jeeps are for hard core 4WDing - Pootrols and Croozers are for touring in the outback....

Oh yeah - the Diff noise thing - they run Dana diffs which you will find on a huge array of US 4WD's. They are no noisier or less noisier than any other 4WD diff.

What a laugh it is reading about 4WD's on this forum - it would be like me asking for advice on my SS on Outerlimits - keep these pearls of wisdom coming. They are classics

The diffs arent noisy but my muddies sure hum - if you want a quiet 4WD do us all a favour and get yourself a Hyundai

[vk3220]

I've owned an XJ as my daily driver and weekend fun wheeler for about 6 years and not much of what's written above is true, other than oppylock and baseplate. They have a few weaknesses , like radiator has plastic tanks and the factory manifold tends to crack, but other than that they have no problems that any other vehicle doesn't have. They're a 4wd so they will roll easier than an SS, but that's obvious!!

My advise, budget a couple of grand to fix the radiator, headers and replace a few sensors and you'll have a great 4wd!!

EDIT: BTW I've used it to tow a 2tonne pop top all over south eastern Aus without ever having a problem, although I do maintain it well.

[PBoB]

Jeeps are for hard core 4WDing - Pootrols and Croozers are for touring in the outback....

I'm willing to bet that more than half the people on THIS forum will disagree with you, let alone the 4WD forums.

Patrols and Landcruisers are one of the very few FACTORY CAPABLE 4WDs.

[markone2]

Jeeps are for hard core 4WDing - Pootrols and Croozers are for touring in the outback....



Given current re-sale values, I'd say your touring in a land all of your own

[TinyJK]

I'm willing to bet that more than half the people on THIS forum will disagree with you, let alone the 4WD forums.

Patrols and Landcruisers are one of the very few FACTORY CAPABLE 4WDs.

hmm last i looked neither cruisers or patrols come standard with difflocks or swaybar disconects so they must be better. cruisers now come with IFS so they are built to cary kids to sckool and not much else unless ofcourse you go for a 70 series they are called a seventy series as there equipment list and style is straight from the 70s but at a 2020 price


Given current re-sale values, I'd say your touring in a land all of your own

maybe if you actually looked into things before shooting off at the mouth you would realize that resale value has to be taken into acount with the original sale price lets see a 10yr old cruiser 60k brand new now worth 30 that is a 50% drop
a 10 year old tj jeep 30k new 18k now that is arox 30% drop so yeah i can see how you work that out NOT
i drive a commodorre every day for work i own a jeep and i have owned a few cruisers i had more dramas with the cruisers than i have ever had with the jeep
opinions are good but if you are going on what you heard at the pub then forget it i would recomend a jeep over a patrol cruiser or commodorre anyday
by the way my jeep is more ecconomical than the holden and 0-100km/h is quicker not bad for a usless vehicle

[PBoB]

hmm last i looked neither cruisers or patrols come standard with difflocks or swaybar disconects so they must be better...



maybe if you actually looked into things before shooting off at the mouth you would realize that resale value has to be taken into acount with the original sale price lets see a 10yr old cruiser 60k brand new now worth 30 that is a 50% drop
a 10 year old tj jeep 30k new 18k now that is arox 30% drop so yeah i can see how you work that out...

So you need difflocks and swaybar disconnects to go offroad do you?? Then you haven't been 4WDing much mate, those things are luxuries (read: cheating) of 4WDing, if you know how to go offroad properly you won't need either of them. I've seen more people get into trouble with difflocks than not.

Also, one thing YOU didn't take into account mate, those resale figures you seem so quick to "shoot off", are like that because there are simply MORE landcruisers and patrols on the road and for sale. Look at carsales.com.au and tell me how many jeeps compared to cruisers and patrols there are. It's got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how good they are as a vehicle.

I agree with you that landcruisers are overpriced, but they are still a more than adequate 4wd.

Jeeps are an american 4WD, the U.S has vastly different landscapes to australia, whereas patrols are built for the australian landscape, so you don't need to be an einstein to figure that the nissan is king.

[TinyJK]

So you need difflocks and swaybar disconnects to go offroad do you?? Then you haven't been 4WDing much mate, those things are luxuries (read: cheating) of 4WDing, if you know how to go offroad properly you won't need either of them. I've seen more people get into trouble with difflocks than not.

Also, one thing YOU didn't take into account mate, those resale figures you seem so quick to "shoot off", are like that because there are simply MORE landcruisers and patrols on the road and for sale. Look at carsales.com.au and tell me how many jeeps compared to cruisers and patrols there are. It's got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how good they are as a vehicle.

I agree with you that landcruisers are overpriced, but they are still a more than adequate 4wd.

Jeeps are an american 4WD, the U.S has vastly different landscapes to australia, whereas patrols are built for the australian landscape, so you don't need to be an einstein to figure that the nissan is king.

you seem to change things to suite yourself the post said they had better resale they said nothing about how many there where for sale
and it said better out of the box they are. even the magazines staited theat they where the best out of the box offroad availible not on road but off road
and before you make staitments about my offroad ability mine i opted for the diesel which doesnt have difflocks
i was giving my opinion which i thought that was what forums where about but apparently i should have asked you first and as i didnt you made it personal which just shows the sort of person you are and the sort of info i can expect to get from this forum

[HQ2HZ]

Hi,
Can anyone (especially past/current owners) give me their thoughts on the
Jeep Cherokee XJ

I am looking for a cheap bush basher for some 4WD'ing and towing a trailer.
Want something that I don't mind getting a few scratches on, good for 4wd'ing (will put some diff locks on it etc) and suitable to tow about 1.5 -2 tonne. Currently leaning to the 4 litre petrol with the auto option.
Don't want the grand cherokee.
What are they like at 4WD'ing?.


Does anyone know if a good one around the place ( good mechanically, lower kms etc) , someone may be getting rid off etc.

Many thanks

As I am an XJ Cherokee owner, you might find the following info more relevant to your requirements, rather than the old wives tales so far posted by most in this thread.

1/. The XJ is a great allround performer. Ideally suited for town runarond and serious offroader. It is very good as a towing vehicle and even makes a good touring vehicle if you have younger children. It is only a midsized vehicle, like a prado/pajero, so internal space is at a premium once the kids get a bit of size about them - about 12-14 yrs old. This is when you need a trailer rather than roof racks for long trips.

2/. The vehicle does have some build quality issues, ah la, good ol USA howver there are a host of benefits that far outweigh these issues. Firstly the vehicle is an old design. What this really means, is that there is 24yrs worth of spareparts, options and accessories to let you modify / customise an XJ to your personal tastes. and requirements. This is a much better situation than the factory accessory bling offered on a jap vehicle or even a commodore, on a year to year basis.

3/. Spare parts are not a problem as stated. As much of the vehicle uses common components from a variety of suppliers, they are widely available. The parts availability problem lies with chrysler, not the parts.

4/. Stick with a petrol - chrysler in its hunt for euro sales, jammed an italian diesel in the XJ. In Oz it has had many overheating issues. Would probably be a good motor when fitted in an engine bay designed for it.

5/. Common problems with vehicle:
Drivetrain breaks - yes it does when used like a competition vehicle without mods.
Cooling system - radiator / thermostats / hoses have been the first thing I've replaced on any second hand vehicle I've bought, regardless of brand.
Because it has no chassis, serious offroad bodyflexing has caused a weak point to show up - fr door hinges. Normally not an issue with general use and easily fixed anyway. Generally a pre 1997 issue.
Electrical / Electronic faults, way too many as far as I'm concerned but my XJ hasnt had as many, as my neighbours commodore station wgn.

6/. Electrical fires, rollovers, not as good as jap vehicles......These story tellers probably believe in Santa Clause too. Its got me beat how anyone could confuse an upside down toyota hilux with a jeep.
Although this is a commodore forum, so seeing two diffs was probably a contributing factor.

7/. Its not the greatest vehicle ever built, far from it, but we XJ owners find it amusing that a vehicle as old as it is, still outperforms, on and offroad, any new all wheel drive station wagon, available today. Fit some drivetrain mods and you need a seriously worked nissan patrol to keep up with an XJ.
I guess an XJ Jeep Cherokee is like that HZ Holden 4wd conversion from Tassie many years ago, one of the best 4wds ever built..............................Without the holden rust problem.


So you need difflocks and swaybar disconnects to go offroad do you?? Then you haven't been 4WDing much mate, those things are luxuries (read: cheating) of 4WDing, if you know how to go offroad properly you won't need either of them. I've seen more people get into trouble with difflocks than not.

Also, one thing YOU didn't take into account mate, those resale figures you seem so quick to "shoot off", are like that because there are simply MORE landcruisers and patrols on the road and for sale. Look at carsales.com.au and tell me how many jeeps compared to cruisers and patrols there are. It's got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how good they are as a vehicle.

I agree with you that landcruisers are overpriced, but they are still a more than adequate 4wd.

Jeeps are an american 4WD, the U.S has vastly different landscapes to australia, whereas patrols are built for the australian landscape, so you don't need to be an einstein to figure that the nissan is king.


BwaaaHaaaHaaaaHaaa....................:rofl::rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

In my back paddock - no difflocks / disconnects mean me and the cattle dog have to walk.........regardless of vehicle. Unless I buy a dozer of course.

Second hand jap vehicles are dearer because of the advertising not because of their quality. I know because I've owned toy/mitsu/subaru and nissan.

More of a particular product for sale, means they should be cheaper anyway, its a simple supply and demand situation applied to everything but motorvehicles.

U.S. landscape different............mountains, forests, mud, rocks, beaches, desert, tar roads, dirt roads, hot weather / cold weather...........yep how different is that. :confused:


Yes..........Nissan is king when compared with a landcruiser, which as you say is overpriced and adequate.

Most entertaining this thread, each post has been worth reading a couple of times.


They have major problems with diff noise in them

My mate is a mechanic had his front diff rebuilt under warrenty and still noisy

They are built down to a price and chrysler skimped on things they are no where near as rugged as earlier jeeps especialy in the 4wd area

How early do you want to go. The XJ started it's production run in 1984. The Dana driveline components were available prior to that.

Was told there are problems with driving a hot car into water the diff seals do not work well when the metal parts shrink in the cold alowing water in where it should not be.

Park a hot commodore in a big puddle and watch what happens to the disc rotors and diff.

The motor in it is rugged but it dates back to 1964

Soo... this means tried and proven ??????

I have a version in my 1964 Rambler Classic

Stu

This is anecdotal but my mate loves Ramblers he started the Rambler Club in Australia and there is still alconnection to these vehicles and he will not recomend them
Get some expert advice

[Basher]

Before ANY of you can start to slag the Jeep go buy one and then start to complain!

I have a Patrol and a Jeep and i have NEVER ever had a problem with mine. They dont have wiring problem, the front diffs arnt the strongest ever made but they never brake down. every car has its pro's and cons but dont come on here and start slagging it cos personally i dont like holdens but still own one. and in the years ive had that its given me more problems than the jeep ever will.

so go back into the holes you came out of and come back when you own a jeep and then put ur word in. ifnot stick your nose into a jeep forum and have a look around.

we arent the ones driving down the road bing attracted by cops all the time...

[Krankieone]

Hi,

I am looking for a cheap bush basher for some 4WD'ing and towing a trailer.
Want something that I don't mind getting a few scratches on, good for 4wd'ing (will put some diff locks on it etc) and suitable to tow about 1.5 -2 tonne. Currently leaning to the 4 litre petrol with the auto option.
Don't want the grand cherokee.
What are they like at 4WD'ing?.


Does anyone know if a good one around the place ( good mechanically, lower kms etc) , someone may be getting rid off etc.

Many thanks


Not a bad 4wd week point is Dana35 rear diff this can be swapped with a tJ wrangler Dana44 fairly easily Locked you'll show up plenty of cruiser's & patrol's

[vk3220]

So you need difflocks and swaybar disconnects to go offroad do you?? Then you haven't been 4WDing much mate, those things are luxuries (read: cheating) of 4WDing, if you know how to go offroad properly you won't need either of them. I've seen more people get into trouble with difflocks than not.

Surely thats a joke, isn't it?? You can't be serious!! :confused:


Jeeps are an american 4WD, the U.S has vastly different landscapes to australia, whereas patrols are built for the australian landscape, so you don't need to be an einstein to figure that the nissan is king.

Well that's very accomodating of the Japanese...

[yumpet]

Seems to be alot of jeep bashing and ill bet that none of the ones actually bashing them, actually own a XJ, ill start with diff locks and swaybar dissconects.....cheating.........:flipoff: you got NO IDEA, they are there so you do less damage to your car, you can go slower and not lead foot it to get over something.
I aint had stuff all problems except the normal maintance stuff and replaced my radiator, and for the price tag of one of these things now, why would you be another patrol or cruiser driver???? you might notice all the jeepers you have stuck up for their cars aint ragged on any other make or model of 4wd, they might have their advantages but i mean christ if you aint owned a XJ or even driven one don't offer up your misinformed advice, it just makes you sound stupid......... oh and as for saying that America has such a different landscape to Australia, DO YOU THINK JAPAN LOOKS LIKE THIS PLACE!!!

[Yoda]

Thank you to all who have replied, especially the owners etc it's most appreciated. Good advice and some useful links to a jeep forum as well.

Many moons ago I went 4wd'ing in a XJ and it was very capable, I realise it may not have the best build quality and there will be issues as it is getting old but for my needs it seems just right and price well. Of course of a vehicle its age I am sure there will be a few issues to get fixed etc

I'll keep an eye out for a well tidy one.
Cheers

[Big_Valven]

Wow I think we have stumbled across Jeep owners as some of the MOST defensive vehicle brand owners in existence!

- First of all everyone get over themselves. Every type of vehicle has strong points and weak points, every type of vehicle has good examples and bad examples.

- Jeep is not the be all and end all of offroading as some owners would have us all believe by the look of things. Name me one thing that a Jeep can do that a Patrol or Land Cruiser couldn't actually do. Name one aftermarket enhancement that you can fit to a Jeep that you couldn't fit to others. Name one shortcoming of a Patrol or Cruiser that is SO BAD that those vehicles could not possibly do what a Jeep can do.

- Brand bias is not going to help anyone. It's just as bad in 4wd'ing as it is in other types of motoring, except from experience 4wd enthusiasts are likely more stubborn about their personal preference and less willing to acknowledge flaws.

That said, I think both the strong points and weak points of the XJ are valid as people have written them here, but it would seem as though the potential problems with them are more valid and substantial than the self-righteous defenders.

And specifically to basher; it seems as though you have popped out of a hole yourself to specifically have a go at not only a motoring community lending their honest opinion to someone looking for advice, but to a whole section of society - performance enthusiasts, not only showing your closed-mindedness but also your immaturity and unwillingness to accept another person's genuine experiences, or even personal opinion.

[HQ2HZ]

G'day Yoda,

Couple more points in regards to Jeep ownership.

1/. You don't need difflocks in an XJ unless you are going to do some pretty serious 4wding but they can be handy.

2/. Like all 4wds, a suspension upgrade will normally make a difference for starters.

3/. You will hear quite a few true stories about minor annoying faults with the XJ from other Jeep owners. This is because the vehicles are good value for money secondhand. We don't get as embarrassed about breakdowns, if and when they occur, as someone who spent a damn sight more than we did, buying an overpriced jap veh, capable of doing the same things as an XJ.

Cheers HQ2HZ


Wow I think we have stumbled across Jeep owners as some of the MOST defensive vehicle brand owners in existence!

- First of all everyone get over themselves. Every type of vehicle has strong points and weak points, every type of vehicle has good examples and bad examples.

- Jeep is not the be all and end all of offroading as some owners would have us all believe by the look of things. Name me one thing that a Jeep can do that a Patrol or Land Cruiser couldn't actually do. Name one aftermarket enhancement that you can fit to a Jeep that you couldn't fit to others. Name one shortcoming of a Patrol or Cruiser that is SO BAD that those vehicles could not possibly do what a Jeep can do.

- Brand bias is not going to help anyone. It's just as bad in 4wd'ing as it is in other types of motoring, except from experience 4wd enthusiasts are likely more stubborn about their personal preference and less willing to acknowledge flaws.

That said, I think both the strong points and weak points of the XJ are valid as people have written them here, but it would seem as though the potential problems with them are more valid and substantial than the self-righteous defenders.

And specifically to basher; it seems as though you have popped out of a hole yourself to specifically have a go at not only a motoring community lending their honest opinion to someone looking for advice, but to a whole section of society - performance enthusiasts, not only showing your closed-mindedness but also your immaturity and unwillingness to accept another person's genuine experiences, or even personal opinion.


Big Valven,

Nice try at sitting on the fence - shame you fell off on the anti jeep side during your post.

Jeep owners are not so defensive of their vehicles ( as I pointed out in my other post ) but
rather the ridiculous claims made against the vehicles by people such as your member " sixleeta ".
Its the jap 4wd owners who have the problem - they have to keep defending their purchase of an all wheel drive station wagon vehicle which costs so much more but doesn't do, as you stated, any more than what we drive.

The only valid weak points of an XJ, in this thread, are the ones we jeep owners pointed out, because we Jeep owners didn't want to see a holden forum member shafted and fed bull#^+^ by his fellow forum members. Yoda may or may not buy an XJ, the choice is his, just the same as its my choice as to what sedan I buy. I certainly wouldn't come to this forum looking for advice on that matter.

Oh and BTW, just to drop down to this forums level,

Something a Jeep can do the others can't....................Legally drive around with no doors.

[TinyJK]

Wow I think we have stumbled across Jeep owners as some of the MOST defensive vehicle brand owners in existence!

- First of all everyone get over themselves. Every type of vehicle has strong points and weak points, every type of vehicle has good examples and bad examples.

- Jeep is not the be all and end all of offroading as some owners would have us all believe by the look of things. Name me one thing that a Jeep can do that a Patrol or Land Cruiser couldn't actually do. Name one aftermarket enhancement that you can fit to a Jeep that you couldn't fit to others. Name one shortcoming of a Patrol or Cruiser that is SO BAD that those vehicles could not possibly do what a Jeep can do.

- Brand bias is not going to help anyone. It's just as bad in 4wd'ing as it is in other types of motoring, except from experience 4wd enthusiasts are likely more stubborn about their personal preference and less willing to acknowledge flaws.

That said, I think both the strong points and weak points of the XJ are valid as people have written them here, but it would seem as though the potential problems with them are more valid and substantial than the self-righteous defenders.

And specifically to basher; it seems as though you have popped out of a hole yourself to specifically have a go at not only a motoring community lending their honest opinion to someone looking for advice, but to a whole section of society - performance enthusiasts, not only showing your closed-mindedness but also your immaturity and unwillingness to accept another person's genuine experiences, or even personal opinion.

yes jeep owners do stand up for there vehicles because as you can see we constantly cop the why did you buy that they are unreliable they have this wrong or that wrong but this isnt the case in general yes they have falts but show me a car that doesnt
what can they do that the others cant well cruises have IFS so they cant keep 4 wheels on the ground so they loose traction in rough stuff and nissans have a lot more aproach and departure angles so they have problems as well as i said earlier i have had 4 cruisers over the years and they where all capable but now i have a jeep and it is a lot better i have freinds with patrols and theres with lifts and difflocks etc cant get as far as my jeep as standard not bagging them they are just different they are better tourers they have more room better towing capacity they are for a different use

and sixleeta i hate to burst your bubble but nissan and toyota both sell a lot more cars to the usa than australia so they are actually built for the us enviroment and we get the right hand drive versions they even have more choice of engine and vehicle spec that they just dont worry making in rhd as the market isnt big enough

[Nutter]

there is a reason why 1 brand and specifically 1 model of 4x4 makes up more competition 4x4's than any other, because they are very capable stock, so very few mods are needed to get into some serious off roading if that what you want.

this means for a occasionally drive through the bush you don't need to spend 10k on the car after purchasing it to make it capable......can you guess what that is ?

also if you want advice join outer limits and have a read through some info on your different makes and models, like said b4 asking a commy forum may not give the best advice.

[thermos]

We have owned 1xXJ, 1xTJ and now 3 years in to the second TJ wrangler. We will buy a new JK at the end of the year.

A part from a few minor oil seepages and the rear seal on the transfer case on the XJ, we have had trouble free motoring on the 11 years that we have owned them.

The latest TJ has never had anything repaired under warranty and has been great since day one (if only my SS was built as well)

Parts and service are expensive but they are easy to maintain yourself.

Jeeps are fantastic offroad and have real grunt (for a 4wd). Our stock wrangler (at the time) made it further through the mud trench than all these Jap Cars/Utes etc.

And for Japanese 4wd's they are overpriced,gutless and as much fun as a Camry (but damm reliable)...

[vk3220]

Good response Big Valven, If I take my Brock hat off and put my Jeep hat on, as others have said we're defensive coz we're constantly attacked.

I had a MQ patrol before the XJ and it was a great vehicle. One disadvantage that affected me was my 5ft wife flatly refused to drive it (mind you she doesn't like driving the VK either :bawl:), however she loves driving the XJ and yet, so far there's been nothing the XJ can't do offroad that the MQ could, if fact with the shorter wheelbase and approach and departure angles the reverse is true.

The other disadvantage that made me get rid of the MQ was the 2.8ltr was gutless, I love the 4.0ltr!! (although it would be better with the SS's 5ltr :) )

[nang3]

hmm last i looked neither cruisers or patrols come standard with difflocks or swaybar disconects so they must be better. cruisers now come with IFS so they are built to cary kids to sckool and not much else unless ofcourse you go for a 70 series they are called a seventy series as there equipment list and style is straight from the 70s but at a 2020 price



maybe if you actually looked into things before shooting off at the mouth you would realize that resale value has to be taken into acount with the original sale price lets see a 10yr old cruiser 60k brand new now worth 30 that is a 50% drop
a 10 year old tj jeep 30k new 18k now that is arox 30% drop so yeah i can see how you work that out NOT
i drive a commodorre every day for work i own a jeep and i have owned a few cruisers i had more dramas with the cruisers than i have ever had with the jeep
opinions are good but if you are going on what you heard at the pub then forget it i would recomend a jeep over a patrol cruiser or commodorre anyday
by the way my jeep is more ecconomical than the holden and 0-100km/h is quicker not bad for a usless vehicle


my 1993 GQ II Ti LWB Patrol had both a rear swaybar disconnect and a factory difflock for the rear and a front LSD... not that I ever needed either since i never went rock crawling but just mainly bush, beach and big sand dune work

[PBoB]

How are my claims ridiculous when they come from someone who used to book them in to be repaired?

I would say moreso that you "enthusiasts" are the ones making ridiculous claims based on the one or two Jeeps that you have owned.

I was merely trying to save one of our members from heartache as I have a genuine testimonial from someone who worked with Jeeps for years.

BASHER: If you don't like holdens and are willing to openly express it, why did you join a holden forum in the first place??

Good luck with your decision Yoda, I hope you find the right car that suits you and your family at a decent price.

Unsubscribing now...

[DaveHAT]

How can there be all these jeep owners when every jeep I see on the road has a sticker on the back saying ...


"THERE'S ONLY ONE JEEP OIIO "

???? :confused:


:D :woot: (Something to lighten the mood a little perhaps.)

Patrol, Cruiser, Jeep ... whatever, they're all good on/off road and all have their faults and limitations. Patrol owners slag Cruiser owners and vice versa but everyone seems to slag the Jeep. I don't know why but my personal opinon of the Jeeps that I've driven is that despite being made in the land of "big and excess" ... they are small internally and finish is cheap and cheerful. That's just my opinion.

Re: diff locks etc ... they're a good thing IF USED CORRECTLY AND BY AN APPROPRIATELY SKILLED PERSON. I've seen a 60 series cruiser equipped with F&R Lockers grind to a halt in mud 1/2 a foot deep :lmao: but of greater concern was someone who thought buying all the "flash gear" could buy them talent and abilities offroad.

End result was ... on their first outing offroad, the lockers got them into terrain that was beyond their ability and experience with the conclusion being that their lovely, shiney new Nissan lay neatly on it's side with the roof pushed over and all the passenger side glass smashed.

Not quite how they'd planned their day to go. :bawl:

[vk3220]

How are my claims ridiculous when they come from someone who used to book them in to be repaired?

I would say moreso that you "enthusiasts" are the ones making ridiculous claims based on the one or two Jeeps that you have owned.

Unsubscribing now...

We're not, we're talking from combined experience of over 3000 Jeep owners!! We talk to each other you know!!

[markone2]

maybe if you actually looked into things before shooting off at the mouth you would realize that resale value has to be taken into acount with the original sale price lets see a 10yr old cruiser 60k brand new now worth 30 that is a 50% drop
a 10 year old tj jeep 30k new 18k now that is arox 30% drop so yeah i can see how you work that out NOT
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Don't give up your day job :doh: the words resale value and Jeep / Cherokee heve no meaningful concept in the Queensland wholesale market.

[OPPYLOCK]

How can there be all these jeep owners when every jeep I see on the road has a sticker on the back saying ...


"THERE'S ONLY ONE JEEP OIIO "

???? :confused:


:D :woot: (Something to lighten the mood a little perhaps.)

Patrol, Cruiser, Jeep ... whatever, they're all good on/off road and all have their faults and limitations. Patrol owners slag Cruiser owners and vice versa but everyone seems to slag the Jeep. I don't know why but my personal opinon of the Jeeps that I've driven is that despite being made in the land of "big and excess" ... they are small internally and finish is cheap and cheerful. That's just my opinion.

Re: diff locks etc ... they're a good thing IF USED CORRECTLY AND BY AN APPROPRIATELY SKILLED PERSON. I've seen a 60 series cruiser equipped with F&R Lockers grind to a halt in mud 1/2 a foot deep :lmao: but of greater concern was someone who thought buying all the "flash gear" could buy them talent and abilities offroad.

End result was ... on their first outing offroad, the lockers got them into terrain that was beyond their ability and experience with the conclusion being that their lovely, shiney new Nissan lay neatly on it's side with the roof pushed over and all the passenger side glass smashed.

Not quite how they'd planned their day to go. :bawl:

Dave,

You missed a I in your Jeep grille :stick:
"Its a Jeep thing"

[Space Pope]

Gotta love a 4x4 'pissing contest'. :rofl:


The guy asked for an opinion ...I think he got plenty.


I know which I prefer...others know which they prefer.

The guy made up his mind....mainly on price which is fair enough. He wanted something he could at least get into cheap. Jeep can do that.

Good luck with it Yoda and have fun with it :)

[HQ2HZ]

DaveHat:

Nice try for humour. Heres a better one especially for Markone2

Even us Jeepers are laughing at this Qld caryards high hopes.

Sixleetas "reliable info" mate must run the place.

No link coz of your posting rules - heres the ebay item number:

150218581469.

[C4B]

I drive a 06 Wrangler TJ, am a member of a Jeep club (and have a VE SS).

I think I am qualified to say that the XJ is a great vehicle for off road and as for the wiring issues and the built to a price garbage - my SS is built to a price too (she's not exactly Porsche GT3 material).

Jeeps are for hard core 4WDing - Pootrols and Croozers are for touring in the outback....

Oh yeah - the Diff noise thing - they run Dana diffs which you will find on a huge array of US 4WD's. They are no noisier or less noisier than any other 4WD diff.

What a laugh it is reading about 4WD's on this forum - it would be like me asking for advice on my SS on Outerlimits - keep these pearls of wisdom coming. They are classics


How ironic. You offer up 4WD advice and then in your last paragraph, suggest that people shouldn't listen to 4WD advice given on non-4WD forums. :lmao:

[Big_Valven]

Big Valven,

Nice try at sitting on the fence - shame you fell off on the anti jeep side during your post.

My intention was never to sit on the fence, I approached the thread from an outsider's perspective and the "against" argument seemed stronger than the "for" argument because the "for" camp is so strongly adamant that everything out there is rubbish and so defensive of one simple vehicle.


The only valid weak points of an XJ, in this thread, are the ones we jeep owners pointed out, because we Jeep owners didn't want to see a holden forum member shafted and fed bull#^+^ by his fellow forum members. Yoda may or may not buy an XJ, the choice is his, just the same as its my choice as to what sedan I buy. I certainly wouldn't come to this forum looking for advice on that matter.


I Don't see a single post on here that hasn't got an element of validity in it. Whether you like it or not, these are people's experiences and opinions.


Oh and BTW, just to drop down to this forums level,

Something a Jeep can do the others can't....................Legally drive around with no doors.

Why the f-k would you want to do that!?!? I can only think during serious offroading that large holes in the side of your vehicle could be disadvantageous.

And I don't see how that is "dropping down" to this forum's "level."

[ssberlina]

Don't give up your day job :doh: the words resale value and Jeep / Cherokee heve no meaningful concept in the Queensland wholesale market.

I would have to agree there Mark. After a quick look down at the dealer auctions I was stunned how none of the dealers were interested in the Jeeps (or the rovers for that matter). After speaking to a few they stressed me to stay clear of then as they are well known in the car industry to have big maintenance issues. Definately not what a dealer offering a warranty would be chasing. This is the reason why their resale is so poor.

Oh and for the record the patrol and cruiser where keeping very high prices.

Currently the industry resale rates for the jeeps after three years are around the low 50 % of retail prices. The toyota are high 60% and the patrols are in the low 60% area.

Maybe they are better than this I dont know but the only cherokee I have owned I got rid of after a matter of weeks due to steering rack and front diff issues that were hidously expensive to fix. The patrol/maverick and cruiser I have owned have been basically trouble free. None are perfect though but I would want to be in a patrol or cruiser in the rough stuff rather than a jeep I can tell you.

[German Statesman]

Bloody hell....what a sook-fest :bawl:

All cars have problems - I had GQs coming into my workshop with radiator fans that flung blades not to mention their tendency to blow head gaskets..then there's the boat-anchor 4.5 in the 'cruisers that is better off being an artificial reef rather than plundering the world of precious petrol :confused: Cherokees would make owners cry with the price of parts and

If anyone can find a perfect car be it a 4WD or a road car that couldn't benefit from some aftermarket improvements ill eat my had - whether they be hinges, ECM chips, cold air inductions etc. This doesn't make them bad for chrissakes...

Here's $20 - go and buy a latte and cry to the other mums :moon:

[mak08u]

i had a 98 xj td model... it was the biggest let down... it drove ok when it was running....
the xj kept breaking the power steering pump...it cost $ 2400 for the part and takes 2 weeks to import..
My advise keep with the jap 4wds its easier to get parts. After that i brough a patrol the best thing i ever did... every one knows how to fix them un like jeep.
thats my 2 cents

[HQ2HZ]

I've changed my mind about asking on here for advice about buying a commodore.

Someone I use to know said they were are really a european import that holden rebadged, re-engineered and modified rather than making a proper Australian car.

I heard holden motors were so bad they had to fit nissan engines in a commodore.

How come they dont last forever, in perfect condition, after being flogged around at willowbank, so when someone buys one 2nd hand they dont have to fix it ???

Why do $85.00 fuel pumps cost up to $ 300 + for a commodore.

My next door neighbour is always looking under the bonnet and crawling under his six year old commodore - whats wrong with this model and should I avoid buying it.

Does ford really own part of holden and is that why the commodores look a bit like a falcon.

If I get a pretty one at auction for half its value or less, it wont have anything wrong with it, will it.

Commodores are now thirty years old, Have they improved since the originals failed most of their Australian trials. ?

Obviously some commodore productions years aren't as good as others, since thats when government departments buy fords.

Now, if these comments look stupid, have a think about what a lot of non jeep owning LS1 forum members comments about Jeeps look like.

Dont bother to respond to comments in italics, they are meant as examples only, unless of course, they are as valid, as the opinions about Jeeps expressed by non jeep owner LS1 members.

Big Valven;

A Jeep variation example was requested and an apparently "valid" example was provided. Whats your problem ?

[Nutter]

Couple of vids to add fuel to the fire.....you really need to watch the 3rd if not the first two lol



YouTube - Nissan GQ Patrol Gembrook Labortouche Mud (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSVhwvqwV3E)

YouTube - Nissan GQ Patrol Turbo Gembrook Labortouche Mud (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YtD0nBTYY)


YouTube - Jeep Fire on North Beach 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8vtYD8BDQI)

[Swordie]

Hi,
Can anyone (especially past/current owners) give me their thoughts on the
Jeep Cherokees (XJ model) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee_(XJ))

I am looking for a cheap bush basher for some 4WD'ing and towing a trailer.
Want something that I don't mind getting a few scratches on, good for 4wd'ing (will put some diff locks on it etc) and suitable to tow about 1.5 -2 tonne. Currently leaning to the 4 litre petrol with the auto option.
Don't want the grand cherokee.
What are they like at 4WD'ing?.


Does anyone know if a good one around the place ( good mechanically, lower kms etc) , someone may be getting rid off etc.

Many thanks

I would go here for advise:

http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/vbindex.php

[HQ2HZ]

Good vids nutter - amazing what you can find on the internet to support a view.

Damn shamn holden put that recall out in January....................86,000 commodores goin up in flames would have made interesting footage too.

[Nutter]

Good vids nutter - amazing what you can find on the internet to support a view.

Damn shamn holden put that recall out in January....................86,000 commodores goin up in flames would have made interesting footage too.


I thought it would lighten the mood :smilesandbanana:

[HQ2HZ]

I thought it would lighten the mood :smilesandbanana:

Thats why I said they were good vids :)