VE SS-V Vs. Clubsport R8

[blowski]

Hey guys its come time to upgrade from the VY SS to a new VE but i cant decide wether to go clubsport or ss-v. Can you please give me your opinions? I want to go atomic green, but i just cant decide what car. What does the R8 offer over the SS-V interior wise any more little bits and gadgets?

[Vulture]

You've got different seats, binnacle guages etc but the main advantage from my perspective is that you get the 3.7 diff ratio (if manual, also a shorter diff ratio if auto), the massive brakes, visual differentiation from the SS-V and the HSV 'name' whilst not being a Porsche is still more exclusive than a Holden. By the time you put the brakes and shorter diff on an SS you have nearly the price of the clubby right there (but not with leather!)

[Ghosn]

If money is no option, there is absolutely no reason to get an SSV over an R8!

[Uwish]

If you're buying new it also offers 6.2 LS3!
You can't beat those brakes! AWESOME!!!!!
Seats are nice. Better body kit. Better taillights.

[tim_k]

I test drove a VT series 1 Clubsport and a VTSS years ago when looking for a new car. I ended up buying the SS but regretted not buying the Clubsport as I thought it drove better with the shorter diff etc and had other bells and whistles.

Hence why I now drive a Clubsport. SSV is a good project car to mod to your hearts content, but seeing as my modifications will be very limited, I chose the Clubby as a reasonable package that didn't require new brakes and diff, and has (what I think) is a better interior.

[blowski]

If you dont mind me asking guys what did u pay for your R8 VES

[bwhinnen]

The biggest difference is the three window trip on the main dash and the triple gauge cluster. The armrest on the centre bin moves forward to cover the cupholders as well.

Rear seat has a centre headrest.

You do pay a premium for the leather on the Clubsport, but the standard seats in Onyx are actually really good.

Those weren't the reasons for me picking the Clubsport over the SS-V though, the ride, handling, power delivery and brakes really are that much different and make it a beautiful car to drive, whether cruising or pushing it a bit.

[tim_k]

If you dont mind me asking guys what did u pay for your R8 VES


High 50's for a 6 month old car with leather and 10,000 on the clock. It had an APS exhaust system and tune already done to it. Sounds good and goes good (except for the clutch)

[xploit]

Im looking to upgrade too soon,

Its just most insurance companys will insure me in an SSV without too much hassle, but as soon as you mention HSV they back away with their tail between their legs.

Who uses what insurance company here? and especially a HSV as a 21 yo?

Cheers,

Dave

[Brandonsdad]

Hey guys its come time to upgrade from the VY SS to a new VE but i cant decide wether to go clubsport or ss-v. Can you please give me your opinions? I want to go atomic green, but i just cant decide what car. What does the R8 offer over the SS-V interior wise any more little bits and gadgets?

Being an 18 year old, I think an SSV would be good enough. Dont worry about bigger brakes, unless youre going to race it, and just get a cat back system, tune CAI and youll be very happy. If you really want atimic green then go the SSV again, as I dont think that HSVs look good in any other colour other than Black and Red IMO. The resale of an Atomic green HSV would be possibly as bad as a white one. I have an SS and it has everything I need and am sure that the SSV would be able to satisfy your needs.

[GODSMACK]

Being an 18 year old, I think an SSV would be good enough. Dont worry about bigger brakes, unless youre going to race it, and just get a cat back system, tune CAI and youll be very happy. If you really want atimic green then go the SSV again, as I dont think that HSVs look good in any other colour other than Black and Red IMO. The resale of an Atomic green HSV would be possibly as bad as a white one. I have an SS and it has everything I need and am sure that the SSV would be able to satisfy your needs.
People always say that white cars have the best resale value.....

[Brandonsdad]

People always say that white cars have the best resale value.....

in HSV's???

[Roonstain]

hsv will have the LS3, you have the much nicer interior, and youve got the bragging rights.
if money isnt an issue - no contest
HSV!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GODSMACK]

in HSV's??? No, i meant in general mate.. Sorry, should have noted that in my response...

[CarlFST60L]

Your 18 and you want to buy a +$65K HSV? Buy a house, invest some $$...

If you already have houses and a mortgage paid off, then just redraw on a mortgage and buy a R35 or something similar.

Either that, or stop playing with yourself.

[dc_macca]

Carl's advice is blunt but true.

I'm 23 and looking at buying a house early next year.

While I'd love to buy an HSV it really is a depreciating asset that is best left until I've got some sort of investment to build on...

But if you have to get one now... for I think an SS (not SSV) is unbeatable value for money.... dare i say it you might also want to have a look at the new FG XR6 Turbo...

[CarlFST60L]

Carl's advice is blunt but true.

Me, blunt, never! :lol:

I wonder if its the old fantasy where he pretends to have daddies car and daddies problems of deciding what to upgrade to :hide:

[GODSMACK]

Me, blunt, never! :lol:

I wonder if its the old fantasy where he pretends to have daddies car and daddies problems of deciding what to upgrade to :hide: or maybe he was fishing for the good ol "Sh*t dude, only 18 and looking to buy a SSV/R8, well done man"... etc etc...

[CSP]

Shit dude, only 18 and looking to buy a SSV or an R8, well done man!! Good luck with insurance though, ay bro...

HSVs are based on the Calais so you get all the luxury and refinement of the Calais in the R8. Well not all, auto up on the front windows is deleted and so is electric slide (forward and back) seats. Other than that, it's a Calais with different seats, manual (no point getting an auto HSV), new LS3 and everything everyone else has mentioned.

[iloveholden]

If you really have to get one now rather than investing your money....Get a an R8.

[josh111]

mate if you have the money to get an HSV at your age, get it. You will always remember that HSV clubby you had when you were young, as long as you don't kill yourself in the meantime...

[blowski]

I can remember the times when i was going to buy a vyss and you all said it was bull. Well i cant wait to post pics of the ve r8 when its sitting in my driveway! Investment is wise you are correct but look at intrest rates atm! They are crazy, and hey im only young i dont need to settle down just yet.

Insurance just car just qouted me $2288. For the R8 yes there is a high premium if i claim about $2500 but you wouldnt claim for anything under that anyway at my age you would just get wacked next time you brought a flash car.

[EXCESSV]

mate seriously this is something only YOU can decide on what YOU want.

weigh up the pros & cons about both, what plans u have for it, the amount of money u have/want to spend, etc

i was in your same dilemma with being able to afford both but went for a SSV over the R8 for my reasons...no regrets here

[Brandonsdad]

Your 18 and you want to buy a +$65K HSV? Buy a house, invest some $$...

If you already have houses and a mortgage paid off, then just redraw on a mortgage and buy a R35 or something similar.

Either that, or stop playing with yourself.

That hits the nail on the head, which is the main reason for me suggesting the SSV. Nothing worse than a little rich P plater driving dads car around or dads latest christmas present for a spoilt little brat.
Even an SS would be good enough for a teenager.

[milkojnr]

Having just spent 18 months in a SSV and now moved on it a R8, they are completely different cars.

The R8 blows the SSV out of the water, there are three of us who have just brought R8's in the past couple of weeks. Look for a 2007 LS2 model and they are about 6k more then a new 2008 SSV.

It is a different car believe me completely.

Go the R8

[Sunny08]

Are new 2007 R8's really as low as $58k driveway, I paid $51800 drive way on a new 08 ssv auto.

Another point to consider is that a few of the sponsors have told me is that the engine in the SSV responds better to modifications than the HSV motor, (just repeating what experts have said as I am no expert).

[CarlFST60L]

It is a different car believe me completely.

Go the R8

We have done 1000km in an SS, SSV and Calis V, and the R8 is certainly a totally different car. GTS is even better again!

I still think this kid is pulling his pud... Even if you post pics, I wouldn't believe you unless I either knew you, or you post papers with your name on it and the rego, nothing personal, its just school holidays and there are plenty of people that are quite happy to fantasies about daddies car, and you havnt been validated either. You have a VY SS, you could have only had it what about 18 months, and now you want to go from a $25K car to $65K car? come on......

[Scommo]

Get the Clubby mate, Ive never been in one but they do look good!

How do you afford this at 18? Just curious, I wish I could afford a new mountain bike at age 17:rofl:

Maybe hes in the same boat as me, I drive mummies car:rofl:

[Brandonsdad]

Dont worry, he wont reply, he's gone to bed.:rofl:

[EXCESSV]

he is 18 and lives in Kununurra...
probably works in the mines....so he is probably very genuine..

mining boom up north ppl are making a killing!

[milkojnr]

We have done 1000km in an SS, SSV and Calis V, and the R8 is certainly a totally different car. GTS is even better again!

I still think this kid is pulling his pud... Even if you post pics, I wouldn't believe you unless I either knew you, or you post papers with your name on it and the rego, nothing personal, its just school holidays and there are plenty of people that are quite happy to fantasies about daddies car, and you havnt been validated either. You have a VY SS, you could have only had it what about 18 months, and now you want to go from a $25K car to $65K car? come on......

CarlFST60L,
I hope your not talking about me here!!! I have been posting here for a while and spoken to a number of different guys. I would love to be validated member.

[Uwish]

Carl,
what are you jealous that an 18yr old can own the same car as you?
FFS, some of you fu(kers on here are jusr that FWITS.
The guy might have a wealthy family, or as someone stated works in the mines.
Money to burn. Wants an R8.

[VT_Lance]

besides wouldnt it be illegal for him to drive it anyways being only 18 or is the law dif up there?

[CarlFST60L]

CarlFST60L,
I hope your not talking about me here!!! I have been posting here for a while and spoken to a number of different guys. I would love to be validated member.

Nah, nah, the thread starter


Carl,
what are you jealous that an 18yr old can own the same car as you?
FFS, some of you fu(kers on here are jusr that FWITS.
The guy might have a wealthy family, or as someone stated works in the mines.
Money to burn. Wants an R8.

Jealous, lol, thats funny, good for him, if its true. From my experience I have found 99% of these kind of stuff comes from dreamers... I am happy to be wrong. He could have quite easily put it to rest in his last post...

[Uwish]

Why does he have to prove anything to anyone on this forum?

[CSP]

besides wouldnt it be illegal for him to drive it anyways being only 18 or is the law dif up there?

Not many states have stupid laws...

It should be "ban the low performance driver, not the high performance car" anyway! Stupid political nonsense if you ask me.

[CarlFST60L]

Why does he have to prove anything to anyone on this forum?

Why does he have to ask a bunch of total strangers which model to buy? Big boys dont need their hand held to test drive a car, read the holden & hsv website, or use the search button to see peoples experiences with their cars...

[michaels1v8]

besides wouldnt it be illegal for him to drive it anyways being only 18 or is the law dif up there?

Laws are different :)

[tim_k]

FFS, some of you fu(kers on here are jusr that FWITS.


Do you kiss your mother with that mouth???:nono:

[Jman]

My comments are obviously going to be biased but the R8 is by far the best Commodore I have ever driven. I havent driven a VE SS or SSV but I have driven a V6 Calais V for a week and apart from the obvious power difference the rest of the car dynamincs is like chalk and cheese.

Cant see how they justify a mid 50 price bracket for the Calais V though I did like the auto windows up feature and the illumination under the doors for entry/exit :rofl: If you want these features along with fully electric front seats then the Senator is the way to go.

Also another point....HSV badge snobery :bow:

I had to wait over 20 years but if you can afford one at your age good on you, spend your hard earnts the way you want to.

Even at my age I had trouble with my insurance company, who is ALLIANZ, they eventually came to the party but it took me talking to the supervisor to get it through. And I have a perfect driving record, no speeding tickets in the past 10 years the car is always garaged at night and it has an after market imobiliser fitted.

[michaels1v8]

Carl,
what are you jealous that an 18yr old can own the same car as you?
FFS, some of you fu(kers on here are jusr that FWITS.
The guy might have a wealthy family, or as someone stated works in the mines.
Money to burn. Wants an R8.

Even working in the mines he still wouldnt of been able to leave school and get a job until he is 16 which gives him around 2 years to save 80+K (2# for the VY SS and 50-60 for the SSV/R8 sound fair), not to mention the money he would of spent modding the SS, fuel, rego, insurance, stamp duty, tyres, servicing and possibly and repairs and other general living expenses.

Wealthy family would be my guess. Maybe half with the parents?

Blowski unless your paying with savings I wouldnt contemplate upgrading. Getting a loan at 18 is a pretty big thing. 2 of my mates have loans for their cars and its ridiculous. They barely scrap by each week and at most have $50 to spend after paying for fuel, the repayments and a little away for emergencies. Also like you said interest rates are getting to the higher end for most.

Only reason I would get a loan right now is for a house.

Might be best to just keep the car you have for now, save up for another year or so and decide what you want to do with it. You could change your mind and decide to blow it on a built motor with a supercharger:bow:

[CS1234]

You already have a ss, so it wouldn't be a big jump power wise.

Really that extra money you are going to spend could go towards supercharger or turbo,wheels,breaks,exhaust,cai,tune and you still will have change left over for anything else

[CSP]

Also another point....HSV badge snobery :bow:

Only other HSV owners TRUELY know how big a point this one is ;)


I had to wait over 20 years but if you can afford one at your age good on you, spend your hard earnts the way you want to.

I thought I would have to wait until my 40's before I had a HSV but things worked in my favour in the last 2 years so I didn't have to think twice about it. May as well do it while you can because you never know what the future holds.


Even at my age I had trouble with my insurance company, who is ALLIANZ, they eventually came to the party but it took me talking to the supervisor to get it through. And I have a perfect driving record, no speeding tickets in the past 10 years the car is always garaged at night and it has an after market imobiliser fitted.

Have you joined the HSV Club yet? We have connections with Shannons. I have a great package deal on my two cars (the HSV Clubsport R8 included). PM me if you want.

[lethal66]

he is 18 and lives in Kununurra...
probably works in the mines....so he is probably very genuine..

mining boom up north ppl are making a killing!


To write ppl up here are earning over 150k a yr and he prolly getting it on lease where he will pay about 53k brand new straight of the floor.Got to love working for BHP.Oh im not that far north (mackay region)Im sure every man and his dog owns a ve hsv in this area

[cholo]

Your 18 and you want to buy a +$65K HSV? Buy a house, invest some $$...

If you already have houses and a mortgage paid off, then just redraw on a mortgage and buy a R35 or something similar.

Either that, or stop playing with yourself.

So true Carl.

[blowski]

Rich family? No incorrect just average.

I was still in school at 16, finsished year 12 didnt drop out.

Worked at target as 2ic here on a good wage while i was at school which was getting me about 30000 a year, all off it or most of it come back after tax cos i was under 18.

Doing university studies externally and am about to take over management at the airport here currently a suporvisor.

While all my mates were out having piss ups and hitting the drugs on the weekends i was saving that money to put towards a car.

Daddys boy no. Parents havent given me anything toward my car but i will be honest and say i live at home with them and therefore i dont have to pay rent atm which is a added bonus.

A loan at 18 yes it is a big thing but i already took out a loan for 15 grand to buy a rxp jetski and i have sucessfully paid that off in a year after forgoing some luxurys and paying big bucks on my loan.

For some of you people out there who find it hard to belive a 18-19 year old can own a 25k jetski and a 65k car and think they need to dream about it good on ya's. Cant wait to resurect this thread upon deliery and say hey look happy now.

Yes it is a lot of money but you can have whatever u want in this world you just need to think about it. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs or have any other expensive habits theres a huge money saver right there:rofl:

[vxSSilver]

well good on ya!

its good that youve found something you want and your willing to sacrifice all the other luxuries in life for it !!

but go the clubby... just comparing a SSV interior to HSV....its so boring!

and you dont want just another SS with a different badge

[Ghosn]

The main thing is he is buying a Holden, we should be embracing that :)

Bloski, just make sure u have done ur sums right and always factor in worst case scenarios. Talk to older more experienced people just to make sure u r doing the right thing and can cope with the repayments.

[HSVDKB]

The main thing is he is buying a Holden, we should be embracing that :)

Quite agree, The SSV and HSV R8 are both very good cars. Probably in this situation where things are being stretched an a sizable loan is required I would advise a VE SS (not SSV) as a stepping stone. However for anyone that can afford it the HSV is the superior beast especially now with the LS3.

[chrism697]

Why does he have to ask a bunch of total strangers which model to buy? Big boys dont need their hand held to test drive a car, read the holden & hsv website, or use the search button to see peoples experiences with their cars...
so do you shitcan everyone that asks advice on this forum? i see people asking advise on which car to buy almost every day here! but no big surprise you only say that "Big boys dont need their hand held to test drive a car" crap to a young guy

this guy might be full of shit, maybe not at all.......i dont know and dont care, but if he is serious your being a bit of an asshole to him!

also worth noting that everyone said he was full of shit about seeing some holden tested cars up his way, and whilst he wasnt 100% correct about what cars he seen, he quickly proved a lot of people wrong when they said he was full of it, then he produced some photos

[macca33]

.......................Also another point....HSV badge snobery :bow:....................I had to wait over 20 years but if you can afford one at your age good on you, spend your hard earnts the way you want to.

I know some make people feel that way at times, but the HSV is the ultimate iteration of the Commodore, so it is good to be able to afford and purchase a HSV, they are a very nice car and something that many aspire to. The fact that they are accessible, especially the older ones now, to many people is part of the attraction too. I know that I wanted one ever since they first released the VN series and they have improved out of sight ever since.

To the OP, make a decision that will suit you, then go for it. Drive one of each and decide which is for you. No use asking for opinions - everyone will think differently.

My personal view is house (they will never get cheaper), or investments, before toys such as this at a young age, but, it is your cash so do with it as you please.

Cheers,

Macca

[GODSMACK]

This is just my opinion, but i would never pay more than $55k for a Holden, no matter whether its a GTS, Grange etc etc.

When i see a GTS, R8 etc, i dont care if its got a HSV badge, or it has 37kws more than my SS, i dont look at it twice..Sure there nice, no denying that..

For me, the SSV looks, feels and performs beautifully (having test driven one several times), and with the extra $$ you save not getting an R8, you can spent on a nice holiday, or a jetski etc..

This is very similar to the threads where people with SSV's thought they where better than SS drivers etc etc.. I may only drive a SS, but that suits my lifestyle perfectly!!

Good luck with your decision...

[CarlFST60L]

so do you shitcan everyone that asks advice on this forum? i see people asking advise on which car to buy almost every day here! but no big surprise you only say that "Big boys dont need their hand held to test drive a car" crap to a young guy

this guy might be full of shit, maybe not at all.......i dont know and dont care, but if he is serious your being a bit of an asshole to him!

also worth noting that everyone said he was full of shit about seeing some holden tested cars up his way, and whilst he wasnt 100% correct about what cars he seen, he quickly proved a lot of people wrong when they said he was full of it, then he produced some photos

I remember a similar thread to this in the US, a similar guy doing similar things then producing photo's of his brand new M5... Soon after he killed a car full of his mates and it turned out it was daddies car.

I don't really care to be honest, its just doesn't make sense to me that an 18 year old 'manages an air port' (99% of management positions rely on several years of experience). So $25K car to $65K car + expensive jet ski + insurance. I smell bullshit, so I call bullshit, if I am wrong, good for him, and sorry for dragging your thread down... Feel free to ask to delete my posts. But I have no problems putting my hand up to call BS.

[GODSMACK]

Anyone heard from XR6TGEN recently?? LOL

[CarlFST60L]

This is just my opinion, but i would never pay more than $55k for a Holden, no matter whether its a GTS, Grange etc etc.

When i see a GTS, R8 etc, i dont care if its got a HSV badge, or it has 37kws more than my SS, i dont look at it twice..Sure there nice, no denying that..

For me, the SSV looks, feels and performs beautifully (having test driven one several times), and with the extra $$ you save not getting an R8, you can spent on a nice holiday, or a jetski etc..

This is very similar to the threads where people with SSV's thought they where better than SS drivers etc etc.. I may only drive a SS, but that suits my lifestyle perfectly!!

Good luck with your decision...

So you have test driven an SSV, own an SS. My advice is try driving one, there is certainly a noticeable difference... I nearly bought the SSV + TT, but the R8 really had the package we were was after, imho, its easily worth the extra $9K.

Maybe this guy is XR6TGEN, it is school holidays :lol:

[GODSMACK]

So you have test driven an SSV, own an SS. My advice is try driving one, there is certainly a noticeable difference... I nearly bought the SSV + TT, but the R8 really had the package we were was after, imho, its easily worth the extra $9K.

Maybe this guy is XR6TGEN, it is school holidays :lol:Correct, opted for the SS, at the end of the day i didnt need the leather, guages and the few extra's the SSV offered over the base SS, I had leather in my 350z, and was sick of maintaining it. I have enough headaches with the wife's Euro Luxury...

Considering i bought my car for $45500, i dont remember the R8 being anywhere near $54500 ($9k extra) drive away when i bought my car back in July 07. The SSV was approx $52000 DA...

Like i said, the SS suits my lifestyle... There are others here who are happy with their VT's, VY's etc, and good on em...

[Grommz]

Im looking to upgrade too soon,

Its just most insurance companys will insure me in an SSV without too much hassle, but as soon as you mention HSV they back away with their tail between their legs.

Who uses what insurance company here? and especially a HSV as a 21 yo?

Cheers,

Dave


i was 21-22 with a vt clubby.

cost me 1500 a year full comp with just car insurance

[offshore]

An 18 year old running an airport lol. God help us the skys wouldnt be safe.

[CSP]

An 18 year old running an airport lol. God help us the skys wouldnt be safe.

Airports are largely land based (Dubai will probably change that with it's "Sky City") and have nothing to do with safety in the skies.

Air traffic, both on the ground at airports and in the skies, is control by Air Traffic Controllers. ATCs need to pass extensive and intensive testing just to be accepted into ab-initio training, then endure 18 months of some of the toughest training there is, and must not be younger than 21 upon receiving their ATC licence. Rest assured, our skies are safe!

[Vulture]

Geez, leave the guy alone. It still makes for interesting comparisons, the R8 V SS-V thing. If the guy really can afford an R8 then good one him. Probably not wise but who are we to tell him what to do with his money? Did he ask for investment advice?

[blowski]

You guys should feel plesured that i have asked for your imput obviously i think that you have good opinions and i can trust you but isted you just get abusive.

I wanted to know what the R8 had to offer, and what benifits it had over the SS and what your opinions were. Yes i can test drive my own car and yes i can make a decision but by asking other owners that have had the cars for a period of time it is alot more helpful if they say well hey i have had it 6 months and i wouldnt look back and i tested the ss and the r8 and the r8 was so much better.

Cant a man ask for advise any more? Gezz your all holden lovers i would be jumping to say what i thought if someone said hey what you recon between this car and that one.

I didnt want to brag i just wanted an opinion. For those of you who have been civial and helped thankyou.

[Funky_Munky]

You guys should feel plesured that i have asked for your imput obviously i think that you have good opinions and i can trust you but isted you just get abusive.

I wanted to know what the R8 had to offer, and what benifits it had over the SS and what your opinions were. Yes i can test drive my own car and yes i can make a decision but by asking other owners that have had the cars for a period of time it is alot more helpful if they say well hey i have had it 6 months and i wouldnt look back and i tested the ss and the r8 and the r8 was so much better.

Cant a man ask for advise any more? Gezz your all holden lovers i would be jumping to say what i thought if someone said hey what you recon between this car and that one.

I didnt want to brag i just wanted an opinion. For those of you who have been civial and helped thankyou.

Well put mate.

In answer to your question, the best way to decide is to test drive both cars. I was in the same situation you were in and several people told me to just take both cars on a test drive and then make up mind. I followed the advice and make the proper choice for myself.

Its all down to personal preference so the best and most objective manner to make the decision is to check out both cars.

[Lucifer]

I work in the mines and I have dozens of 18-20 yo working for me that drive $50-100K cars. As I cast my eyes across the car park each morning it does make me wonder what the poor people are doing.

Seriously though, these kids earn their money. Most are living away from home and are putting in some serious hours every week. Good cars are the fruits of their labour.

I had a meeting with my counterpart at Camalco yesterday (he looked early 20's). He pulled up in a new M3 with carbon fibre bonnet, roof and other go fast bits. I asked him about it and he said he paid cash for it earlier this year. How much? $165K on road!! The thing had more stone chips than my 2 yr old car.

Back to the question at hand, there is no arguement for the SS-V other than money. That just happens to be a strong argument for most people.