User and Sponsor Behaviour Feedback

[jwilson]

Moderators,

We've all seen the scrolling banner and notices about the threads reminding users of their need to behave in a manner that does not amount to 'cyber thuggery'.

I would like to suggest, as this is a forum for feedback, that this needs to be extended to cover the following:

1) Coercion of members to post reviews, feedback or other matter in any part of the forum.

It has come to light recently (See "TopNotch: SS346 Install" thread) that there have been instances of forum members being approached and coerced into posting material in a manner than is deliberately negative toward another Sponsor or member. This conduct should be met with an immediate suspension/ban just as personal attacks are. It's worse than a personal attack, if there's a business behind it it's anticompetitive corporate misconduct and in severe cases warrants being documented and made available to the affected parties to prosecute at their discretion.

2) Conduct of Sponsors making reference to other companies and/or individuals.

Competition between sponsors is to be expected, and in the interest of the consumer, encouraged. However, I would like to see a strong ban enforced on sponsors making comment about "other workshops", "other businesses" or any other anonymous third party. This serves absolutely no purpose other than to feed uncertainty and doubt. It is not protecting the consumer, it is not educating the masses. If a sponsor has a comment to make about the workmanship of another sponsor, another companies products or even a member individually it ought to be done with complete transparency. Name who you're referring to, back up and substantiate your claims, and most of all be prepared to deal with the civil and legal ramifications that will come if what you're saying does in fact amount to slander or libel.

[seedyrom]

I shouldn't imagine this thread will stay up for long, but I want to address your comments about people being "approached and coerced into posting material in a manner than is deliberately negative toward another Sponsor or member."

Is this really THAT different to someone after you have work done saying "make sure you get on the forums and let everyone know how hard/better it goes" etc.

Isn't that being coerced into posting material in a manner that is deliberately positive towards the sponsor/workshop?

Why should someone have to make comments in the positive?

I know you could say "well its not demaing" someone else ... but it is however being used as an advertisment for themselves, in the same way a negative comment is used to distract people from a different sponsor.


Workshop wars are everywhere, in all business, not just car modifications.

Its part of life, and you should never believe what you read on face value

[Idiocyxplained]

i agree seedy.... well said except its demeaning not demaining :hide:

[vxleather]

Sponsors will never totaly be held accountable... THey pay to be here..If you look threw this current section, you will see one of the promenant sponsors having a dumby spit... over paying his $1600 for advertising and not getting his instant results that he wanted (something to do with pm a mod about a thread and not getting a instant reaction bla bla bla..) It all revolves around the mighty $$$ this forum is no different.. the mods will get on here and say there is no favourtism to wards sponsors...well you make your own decision on that..

So as for policing workshops statements and sponsors... the forum will never be as harsh against them as a normall no paying member as it is a privilage to be here remeber!!


You will never see a thread "MY BAD EXPERIENCE AT (insert current sponsor shop name)" as they are deleted pretty fast.... but there is no protection or favourtism towards sponsors...

[KPWISHN]

With your vocabulary and persistance for the greater good, maybe you jwilson, could become a moderator. :)

Just read that thread your on about vxleather. :lol: What a p!sser. :rofl:

[XLR8 V8]

Sponsors will never totaly be held accountable... THey pay to be here..If you look threw this current section, you will see one of the promenant sponsors having a dumby spit... over paying his $1600 for advertising and not getting his instant results that he wanted (something to do with pm a mod about a thread and not getting a instant reaction bla bla bla..) It all revolves around the mighty $$$ this forum is no different.. the mods will get on here and say there is no favourtism to wards sponsors...well you make your own decision on that..

So as for policing workshops statements and sponsors... the forum will never be as harsh against them as a normall no paying member as it is a privilage to be here remeber!!


You will never see a thread "MY BAD EXPERIENCE AT (insert current sponsor shop name)" as they are deleted pretty fast.... but there is no protection or favourtism towards sponsors...

So in 1 post you start by saying a Sponsor was complaining that the Mods did NOT do as they asked, but then went on to say that we favour the sponsors? Ummmm .... okay then :confused:
Negative posts about sponsors work are allowed, provided they stick to the absolute facts, no guesses, no inuendo, no speculation. Some sponsors actually encourage feedback, good or bad. Sureflo for example.
Unfortunately, many such threads attract sponsor fanboys and very quickly get out of control, so are either heavily pruned or removed altogether. They aren't removed to protect the sponsor, they are removed because the time required to clean them up after everyone starts screaming at each other outweighs the benefit of the thread. Consider also that Sponsors have some moderation privileges in their own forums to control the content in their forums.
Something you don't see as a regular member, that you also need to keep in mind, is that MANY MANY times we get emails/PMs from the thread starter requesting that we remove or delete the threads because they either don't want the hassles from the fanboys anymore, or they have sorted out the issue with the sponsor involved. They want it removed for their own reasons.
99.9% of the time it's really not all the cloak and dagger stuff you seem to think it is.

[SS346]

J wilson youre a funny bloke, in the tt bb thread every one innocently commented on the install time, you begged to differ and posted a silly question here>http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1204101&postcount=16
i answered it,realistically, although soya said it was a stupid question.

i even posted that your question COULD be genuine. obviously wasnt.

after YOUR subliminals you post in here throwing your hands up, and saying "i didnt do it" and everyone else should get banned because of it.:confused:


i may be stupid racing cars that run 9 sec 1/4 mile, but i aint dumb pal, i too can read:jester:

yourself and drewbytes had an agenda for some reason in posts you threw up later, so in reality you should be banned for throwing subliminal messages and deliberately trying to cause a sh!t fight.

few members could see right through you, and knew what you were on about, so THEY posted accordingly.



your sh!t fight beginings started from the decompression thread, Martin does not reccomend to decompress engines with his turbo kit, your mentor, suny does.

why the childlike acts?

if you dont have gracefull comments, then dont post.

[C4B]

Moderators,

We've all seen the scrolling banner and notices about the threads reminding users of their need to behave in a manner that does not amount to 'cyber thuggery'.

I would like to suggest, as this is a forum for feedback, that this needs to be extended to cover the following:

1) Coercion of members to post reviews, feedback or other matter in any part of the forum.

It has come to light recently (See "TopNotch: SS346 Install" thread) that there have been instances of forum members being approached and coerced into posting material in a manner than is deliberately negative toward another Sponsor or member. This conduct should be met with an immediate suspension/ban just as personal attacks are. It's worse than a personal attack, if there's a business behind it it's anticompetitive corporate misconduct and in severe cases warrants being documented and made available to the affected parties to prosecute at their discretion.

2) Conduct of Sponsors making reference to other companies and/or individuals.

Competition between sponsors is to be expected, and in the interest of the consumer, encouraged. However, I would like to see a strong ban enforced on sponsors making comment about "other workshops", "other businesses" or any other anonymous third party. This serves absolutely no purpose other than to feed uncertainty and doubt. It is not protecting the consumer, it is not educating the masses. If a sponsor has a comment to make about the workmanship of another sponsor, another companies products or even a member individually it ought to be done with complete transparency. Name who you're referring to, back up and substantiate your claims, and most of all be prepared to deal with the civil and legal ramifications that will come if what you're saying does in fact amount to slander or libel.

In point 2 you tell people to: "Name who you're referring to, back up and substantiate your claims"

Yet in point one you make this claim (which doesn't name a single sole): "It has come to light recently (See "TopNotch: SS346 Install" thread) that there have been instances of forum members being approached and coerced into posting material in a manner than is deliberately negative toward another Sponsor or member"

[Sidewindr]

Everyone has their own agenda, be they a normal user or a sponsor, this is quite evident in many posts on the forums and has been going on since day one.

What amuses me is that people complain and make statements like they know the whole story but only see 1/10th of the activity involved.

Sponsors pay their money to the forum to support the community, to provide the forums to users for FREE. This support ONLY gives Sponsors the privilege of advertising via a banner and sub forum and the permission to promote their business. It does not provide any exemption from the forum Terms and Conditions of use. We have in the past also removed sponsors from the forum due to their behaviour and breach of the Terms and Conditions.

As for the "My Bad Experience" type threads, well it's common sense isn't it. Of course the favourable threads will survive more as they are positive threads and no one gets their feathers ruffled by them. The Negative posts on the other hand are like mine fields, usually users get hot headed and post inappropriately etc. There are negative posts with respect to sponsors and even non-sponsors and if they are kept within the Terms and Conditions of the forum then they will remain. As XLR8 V8 said they also degenerate into flame fests once the fanboys get onto the thread as well.

The GOLDEN rule is if you have a problem with a post then REPORT it via the report a post button. Bear in mind this does not guarantee that the post will be removed etc. but it does bring it to the attention of the Moderation Team.

[VY2ENJOY]

I had a drama with an ex sponsor a couple of years ago with products / thread comments etc, got in contact with a the moderators and they were a great help, didnt favour the at the time sponsor, and actually took time to converse with a lone pleb who isnt even validated. Thats my experience for what its worth. Cheers