XR6 Turbo (FG) - Launch Control Video

[Metal]

For those who want to see an example, here's a video of it in action (posted by guys from FordForums/xr6turbo forums)

Apparantly he may have had traction control/DSC switched off, hence the excess clutch control needed and wheelspin

Been said before, but the operation of two cylinders are diverted to spool the turbo, rev limited to 3500.. enjoy

YouTube - FG XR6T manual launch control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A66GJ-hgcK8)

[payaya]

Had lessons with a WRx even sounds like it!

[iverson76ers]

pretty cool if u ask me

[Big_Valven]

Not a bad concept, I'd love to give it a try.

I had my second ride ever in a BF XR6T last night, and it conveniently emptied the fluid contents of its automatic gearbox all over Portrush road, at peak hour, without provocation. Smelled nice. Can't remember that ever happening to a Holden I've been in? :confused::smilesandbanana::jester:

[payaya]

Is that meant to be impressive???? I have no idea.

[macca_779]

Quite an efficient system by the look of it. Be interesting to see what kind of 60ft's they run. These new Falcons are getting better and better. If only I could tune them, I'd buy one.

[payaya]

By the viewing crowd reaction it does seem like a good system even when I dont see it!

[XLR8 V8]

It's great technology but can you just imagine all the tryhards using it at the lights. I get enough of them coaxing for a race while I'm casually driving around in the stocko VZ Exec work car :rolleyes:

[lowriding]

wonder what longterm durability issues with repeatably dropping cylinders off the line like that ? the engine sounds as rough as guts in that video.

[Redline]

Cool thing to have but can you imagine the punishment the driveline is going to take with people constantly doing it.

At the end of the day they have not done anything to strengthen anything and its still just a T56 and standard clutch :eek:

[McobraR]

Cool thing to have but can you imagine the punishment the driveline is going to take with people constantly doing it.

At the end of the day they have not done anything to strengthen anything and its still just a T56 and standard clutch :eek:

they updated the 6 speed gearbox to the Tremec TR6060, which is what HSV is changing to.. They use that 'box on the GT500 and corvettes

Ford says the system: "increases available engine torque for more consistent maximum launch acceleration, as well as reducing turbo and exhaust temperatures, and minimising turbo lag and clutch wear." So they took into consideration the driveline.

[Ghia351]

wonder what longterm durability issues with repeatably dropping cylinders off the line like that ? the engine sounds as rough as guts in that video.One bonus , if you do have warranty issues you could always retort "but it's your launch control".

[lowriding]

cant see it hurting the gearbox at all , a T56 and presumably TR6xx would take that all day long . I might be more concerned about longer term engine damage though ,crank balance ,piston damage etc . i wouldn't want to drive my cars around with 2 leads off for any real period of time . Maybe not such a great car to be buying 2nd hand . :eyes:

[Redline]

they updated the 6 speed gearbox to the Tremec TR6060, which is what HSV is changing to.. They use that 'box on the GT500 and corvettes

Ford says the system: "increases available engine torque for more consistent maximum launch acceleration, as well as reducing turbo and exhaust temperatures, and minimising turbo lag and clutch wear." So they took into consideration the driveline.

Isnt that just a fancy name for a T56 with extra bits??

Dont get me wrong......the manual will handle it......even a standard T56 will handle it. BUT, these things are renowned for horrid axle tramp, continual use of the launch control in adverse conditions will result in failures.

[duke5700]

It kinda sounds like they are dropping spark to a few cylinders and useing the raw fuel that pumps out, to ignite in the exhaust manifold thus spooling the turbo. Wont hurt anything... They have been doing it with aftermarket ECU's for years. They like to use it in supras WRX VL's etc etc for when your running off the lights at the drags dial your own.

[SPJ]

It will be interesting if a driveline faults, and they deem it to be abuse and do not cover it through warranty, even though you have used the genuine Ford launch control... And read the instructions in the owners manual to operate it correctly. LOL.

[payaya]

Whats the difference if there is launch control or not? Its not like you need launch control to abuse your drive train.

[macca_779]

It kinda sounds like they are dropping spark to a few cylinders and useing the raw fuel that pumps out, to ignite in the exhaust manifold thus spooling the turbo. Wont hurt anything... They have been doing it with aftermarket ECU's for years. They like to use it in supras WRX VL's etc etc for when your running off the lights at the drags dial your own.

Yep the technique was originally termed anti-lag. It been used in motorsport for years, and by god does it work.

[payaya]

What other Turbo car has antilag??? From the example shown on youtube it will scare most people next to you at a set of lights, or should I say drag strip?? Reminds me of a WRC car taking off from idle when starting a stage.

[macca_779]

Lol yeah I know what you mean.. If I hear the pop of the anti lag doing its thing with a XR6 beside me I'll know full well that its on like donkey kong.

I've no idea what other cars have it standard.. Like I said it's a motorsport concept that was used in F1 and WRC decades ago.

[vlcalais8]

Not a bad concept, I'd love to give it a try.

I had my second ride ever in a BF XR6T last night, and it conveniently emptied the fluid contents of its automatic gearbox all over Portrush road, at peak hour, without provocation. Smelled nice. Can't remember that ever happening to a Holden I've been in? :confused::smilesandbanana::jester:

havent seen it lately but seen plenty of power steering fluid under commodores

[duke5700]

I wouldnt think with the antilag it would be to common as its kind of encouraging driving the car kinda hard. Definatly most aftermarket ECU's have it. Its even down on the base level microtech ecu's now.

Im kinda amazed it passed emmisions? Unless it has a clause somewhere only for off road use? and even then surely warranty would be void if you run your car at the strip.

[macca_779]

I wouldnt think with the antilag it would be to common as its kind of encouraging driving the car kinda hard. Definatly most aftermarket ECU's have it. Its even down on the base level microtech ecu's now.

Im kinda amazed it passed emmisions? Unless it has a clause somewhere only for off road use? and even then surely warranty would be void if you run your car at the strip.

I don't reckon emission testing would require a WOT launch. More cold start, idle and cruise kinda stuff. Where's Martin, he knows.

[Brandonsdad]

Is that meant to be impressive???? I have no idea.

Looks like a car taking off to me.

[BullockBob]

Looks like a car taking off to me.

LOL. Well, I can't see anything particulary impressive about that little vid. Maybe it looked better in the flesh, but ...

Where is Pauline when you need her. :rofl:

[HSV Listy]

I cant see anything flash about the vid. is there any in car or dash shots. Just looks like a car taking off. Obviously I have missed something so called special about the vid.

[Scud]

Nice feature, I'm the likes of Tuna will be all over these, with the first tweak to raise the limit above 3,500!! :burnout:

[duke5700]

Maybe for all us turbo LS1 guys.. something like this could be incorporated into a custom O/S for our ECU's??? Would be interesting, then again I dont think we would have anywhere near the tyre requirements to grip up like the XR6 does

[Uwish]

Antilag and launch control are two very different things.
Google is your friend.

Antilag KILLS turbos and Cats.

[macca_779]

Antilag and launch control are two very different things.
Google is your friend.

Antilag KILLS turbos and Cats.

Yes I agree they are totally different things.. But just listening to the launch there is certainly spark cutting going on but whether fuel cut is occurring remains to be seen. Still this method will help the turbo spool rather than just limiting RPM with the ETC like how N/A cars generally do it.

[SICK SS]

One bonus , if you do have warranty issues you could always retort "but it's your launch control".

Huston we hav a problem:rofl::rofl:

[sir.richard]

Guys, its not from dumping fuel in the pipes as some may think...that would be much louder, much more destructive to the car (in a good way!) and also very unlikely to pass emissions tests.

Quote from an article (http://www.itsnbits.com/index.php/2008/02/20/2008-fg-xr6-turbo-now-with-overboost-and-perhaps-launch-control-is-the-real-deal/) I wrote a while back:

"More detail on launch control: when the clutch is engaged and sufficient accelerator depression made to allow the engine to reach the new 3500rpm clutch-in (stationary) limit, after three seconds the turbo will be spooled up using exhaust mixed with air that’s been pumped into the cylinders deactivated as part of the launch control process. When the clutch is released the cylinders are brought back online, and the car is able to take off with the turbo already partially spooled up.".

Personally I think that any technology like this in a locally made car is awesome: it should be encouraged, regardless of which brand releases it.

[bwg]

I completely agree. There doesn't seem to be too much support for it here... only criticisms of what might go wrong. I'm a fan of most cars in general, and to see a great innovation in an aussie car I think is great. If you don't want it, just turn off the ESP... tyre frying gallore

The latest M3 has a similar launch contol system (of course we know it's not a turbo). The setting is between traction contol (which instantly cuts all power for maximum grip) and the best launch you can possibly do with no traction control... by launching just on the limit of grip, but with maximum take off. I've seen it in action... and it's a great feature

[sandmanls1]

VW Golf's also have it ie in the GTI and GT (petrol) with DSG... I beleive the Passat R36 may also do it

[Big_Valven]

havent seen it lately but seen plenty of power steering fluid under commodores

Touche. It was pretty coincidental that it happened though, in my second 6T ride ever though