FG Ford to VE Holden comparisons

[smacx]

Is anyone else out there sick and tired of hearing how much better and powerfull the FG is compared to the VE?

I would imagine that ifa new model comes out nearly 2 years after the release of the competitions model, that it would be better

[vecommo]

I agree with you 110%, I have zero interest in owning an FG no matter how quick or supposedly superior it is.

I can't see this thread lasting too long though...

[superoo]

Is anyone else out there sick and tired of hearing how much better and powerfull the FG is compared to the VE?

I would imagine that ifa new model comes out nearly 2 years after the release of the competitions model, that it would be better

Forgotten how much lavish praise the VE received when released?

Regardless of your opinion on certain publications, considering the issues locally made large cars face in this changing market, the press are doing the local boys a favour with their coverage.

[prodrive]

Is anyone else out there sick and tired of hearing how much better and powerfull the FG is compared to the VE?

I would imagine that ifa new model comes out nearly 2 years after the release of the competitions model, that it would be better

I think it is great - it means that Holden will be working hard to improve on the VE for the next model.

[vlcalais8]

I actually think its good if you look at it differently, yeah it might be annoying if you are the die hard fan of one manufacturer and the other manufacturers car gets praised but at the end of the day the FG is an Australian car and its always good to hear good things about any car designed and made here, and also like mentioned it will provoke Holden to lift the game once VF comes so we can have another great aussie designed and built machine

[vecommo]

I don't think it's the fact that the FG is being praised which is bothering people, it's more the way some people ramble on about it over and over again and deliberately try to rub it in which becomes annoying.

[Metal]

I don't think it's the fact that the FG is being praised which is bothering people, it's more the way some people ramble on about it over and over again and deliberately try to rub it in which becomes annoying.

On that same note, there are also certain ppl who continually bag ppls 'opinion' on the FG. I would say 'one eyed'....or 'chip on the shoulder' would be most accurate.

Everyone here knows that 'certain' ppl will only ever buy a vf/commodore no matter what Ford comes out with, and by making that point so amazingly clear at every possible moment an FG compliment is made, it makes many other ppl just ignore the posts of those 'certain ppl' because they sound rediculous and lose credibility for anything else they say.. yep. my 2 cents
. cya

[YMK]

Is anyone else out there sick and tired of hearing how much better and powerfull the FG is compared to the VE?

I would imagine that ifa new model comes out nearly 2 years after the release of the competitions model, that it would be betterYou have to take the good with the bad. Would you be happy if Holden won all the comparisons, even after the release of FG? If this was the case then Holden wouldn't bother bringing out any improvements for VF. Competition does in fact improve the breed. You and I are lucky, we get to choose between a variety of models with tonnes of power and at an affordable price. Be happy.

[mutual_master]

I'm just sick of the new FG..full stop. Great work making the 'all-new' (bullsh*t) FG just a little less boring than the old BA. For the money it's still a decent car but i dont see it saving Ford.

[BA$TAD]

Is anyone else out there sick and tired of hearing how much better and powerfull the FG is compared to the VE?

I would imagine that ifa new model comes out nearly 2 years after the release of the competitions model, that it would be better

No more than I am hearing about the mediocre at best and boring looking ve.

[PSI 364]

Hey they have done a good job on the AU series 6 .... ooops I mean FG ... hell I would buy one as soon as they make a version for blokes :limpy:

Seriously though they have done a really good job one this one, but as a former die hard ford fan I still will never forgive them for dropping the V8 when they went to the XF and by the looks of the figures of the FG the old henry V8's days are numbered ...... :bawl:

There is nothing better than the rivalry between us and the Ford fellas its part of our Aussie way of life, so long as both companies continue to raise the benchmark we are the winners, until the media and do gooders get onto the bandwagon and create another supercar scare ... lets hope it doesnt happen.

[FG Turbo Ute]

I actually think its good if you look at it differently, yeah it might be annoying if you are the die hard fan of one manufacturer and the other manufacturers car gets praised but at the end of the day the FG is an Australian car and its always good to hear good things about any car designed and made here, and also like mentioned it will provoke Holden to lift the game once VF comes so we can have another great aussie designed and built machine
Holden or Ford it doesn't matter as long as it is MADE IN AUSTRALIA.

[dyno junkie]

Holden or Ford it doesn't matter as long as it is MADE IN AUSTRALIA.

I'm with you! We own a Monaro, which I hope to never sell, but am looking seriously looking at a G6E Turbo when they become available. Drove a press release car and was very very impressed.

[FG Turbo Ute]

I'm with you! We own a Monaro, which I hope to never sell, but am looking seriously looking at a G6E Turbo when they become available. Drove a press release car and was very very impressed.
I wouldn't hold your breath, I ordered the FG turbo ute on 23-04-08 and delivery looks like being mid August.
If they stopped making the Falcon I would buy a Holden but I would like something between the standard V6 and the V8 which they don't have at the moment.

[NewVLT]

The latest Wheels mag test between the G6ET and the Calais V V8 seemed to come out pretty even when all was said and done. Both had good points and bad.

Funny thing was they picked on the Calais suspension as being too soft with the FE1.5.....the very same people that picked on it being to rough with the FE2.

Having driven FE2 and FE1.5 VE's back to back I know I'd opt for FE2 anyday.

[Falcon SXR8]

I don't know why you holden guys are worried as you need competition to improve the cars. If Ford just stoped producing performance cars in the 90s do you think holden would bother building the cars you have now. I bet you would still have the old 5 litre. Just like ford wouldn't have built the 5.6 litre strocker TE50 if holden didn't have the 5.7 so everyone wins.

[Holden Man]

Does anyone know if the F6X (territory) is quicker than the FG GT ?
I think the F6X does 0-100 in 5.9secs / not sure on 1/4 mile

(If so it's a bit of a worry when a SUV is quicker than their flagship V8 sedan)

[Carby]

Have to say that Falcons having more powerful 6 's than Holden is nothing new, they have continually been the more powerful 6, however Holden's 6's generally had better fuel economy, unfortunately that status quo has been blown away with the FG where it's 6 is better all over the park (except weight) and they have achieved better economy at a time where we have record fuel prices.

However both marques will probably be viewed as gas guzzlers being 6 cylinders which is a bit unfair as I 'm sure a Falcon/Commodore with 5 adults compared to a Corolla with 5 adults would not use that much more fuel on a trip say Sydney > Melbourne.

Ford and Holden will be struggling I think with their big cars - But I sincerely hope they are both around for a while yet, as value for money they are hard to beat.

[flappist]

Does anyone know if the F6X (territory) is quicker than the FG GT ?
I think the F6X does 0-100 in 5.9secs / not sure on 1/4 mile

(If so it's a bit of a worry when a SUV is quicker than their flagship V8 sedan)

Go and ask that question on AFF in the "XR8 & GT" section.

Go on, I dare you. I double D dare you........

P.S. don't let any of them know where you live :) there is a lot of emotion on that subject......

[Swordie]

I love it when Ford releases a great car. It keeps things interesting and competition thriving. In 10 years time who knows if we will have two big sedans manufactured in Australia.

The FG 4.0 Turbo is an engineering masterpiece. It’s the last of the great Australian built engines.

[smacx]

Don't get me wrong guys, I am glad that an aussie car is getting the coverage. It is the fact that many different sources are slamming the ve when compared to the fg, but neglect to mention that the ve is a 2 year old model. Most people that know little about cars are saying things like "why would you buy a ve when the fg is far more superior". The FG was always going to be better than the ve, because ford had 2 years to improve the perfoormance etc of the fg over holdens offering. It is like comparing a nintendo 64 with a PS2 in my opinion

[FG Turbo Ute]

Have to say that Falcons having more powerful 6 's than Holden is nothing new, they have continually been the more powerful 6, however Holden's 6's generally had better fuel economy, unfortunately that status quo has been blown away with the FG where it's 6 is better all over the park (except weight) and they have achieved better economy at a time where we have record fuel prices.

However both marques will probably be viewed as gas guzzlers being 6 cylinders which is a bit unfair as I 'm sure a Falcon/Commodore with 5 adults compared to a Corolla with 5 adults would not use that much more fuel on a trip say Sydney > Melbourne.

Ford and Holden will be struggling I think with their big cars - But I sincerely hope they are both around for a while yet, as value for money they are hard to beat.
I think the 6 cylinder Holden and Fords are very good on saving fuel, I have a BF Magnet XR6 Ute at the moment and that uses around sub 9 litres per 100 km on the highway and around 12 in the City. The BA flat tray likes a drink and the AU3 flat tray on Gas is no cheaper to run that the BA, Gas in Tas is 90+ cents a litre, the VS is about in the middle of the two.
If you look at the figures of the 6s today they use no more than 4 cylinder cars of 20 years ago, the 4 cylinder cars of today have also moved on but there isn’t a huge difference, also remember you normally accelerate quicker in a 6 than a 4, which uses fuel.
When you get out of a large car and into a small one they always seem to be going faster than they really are, must be the short bonnet or something.
Both Ford and Holden will continue to improve the economy of their cars and I wonder if they should stop trying to out do each other in the power stakes like they always do but concentrate on using less fuel and this will help them survive into the future.

[vlcalais8]

Does anyone know if the F6X (territory) is quicker than the FG GT ?
I think the F6X does 0-100 in 5.9secs / not sure on 1/4 mile

(If so it's a bit of a worry when a SUV is quicker than their flagship V8 sedan)


probably been mentioned 600 times allready that testing of FG GT was done on wet track, and if you want to sneakily knock Ford dont get people started on how much better the Territory is over the Korean Captiva..... but anyway appreciate that without one manufacturer upping the game the other would evolve much less than what they have allready


Have to say that Falcons having more powerful 6 's than Holden is nothing new, they have continually been the more powerful 6, however Holden's 6's generally had better fuel economy, unfortunately that status quo has been blown away with the FG where it's 6 is better all over the park (except weight) and they have achieved better economy at a time where we have record fuel prices.

However both marques will probably be viewed as gas guzzlers being 6 cylinders which is a bit unfair as I 'm sure a Falcon/Commodore with 5 adults compared to a Corolla with 5 adults would not use that much more fuel on a trip say Sydney > Melbourne.

Ford and Holden will be struggling I think with their big cars - But I sincerely hope they are both around for a while yet, as value for money they are hard to beat.

Im pretty sure wheels got 9.1ltr/100km on the highway from the long term VE calais 6 cyl, thats damn fine considering its a big hefty car. Funny too because the best my fiances 06' standard ES Lancer achieved was 8.2ltr/100Km from Adelaide to Melbourne and back. Not sure how other 4 pots fair up to this but thats really SFA difference when you consider how much more car and power you get with a big 6

[Holden Man]

probably been mentioned 600 times allready that testing of FG GT was done on wet track, and if you want to sneakily knock Ford dont get people started on how much better the Territory is over the Korean Captiva..... but anyway appreciate that without one manufacturer upping the game the other would evolve much less than what they have allready

"Sneakily" - It was just a straight question ?!

I can do way better than that at being sneaky !

How is Ford helping the V8 scene ? (They have shown that the "turbo" is their pet)

Is this good for Holden ? (they may eventually drop the 6ltr 8 and go turbo 6 to compete with Ford - as their 6 is proving to be very fast)

Ford & Holden aren't really competing with themselves as much as they are with Toyota (the new dark side!)

[vlcalais8]

"Sneakily" - It was just a straight question ?!

I can do way better than that at being sneaky !

How is Ford helping the V8 scene ? (They have shown that the "turbo" is their pet)

Is this good for Holden ? (they may eventually drop the 6ltr 8 and go turbo 6 to compete with Ford - as their 6 is proving to be very fast)

Ford & Holden aren't really competing with themselves as much as they are with Toyota (the new dark side!)

yeah sorry mate i got a bit ahead of my self there lol, there are some interesting points there. Not sure if you've read about the new Boss, its improved alot over the previous versions and if you look at the last wheels mag you can see this (I dont want this to turn into Boss vs LS3, just pointing out that their V8 isnt a POS). In this day I dont think its the wisest decision to make the V8 king with petrol prices and trends shifting to smaller cars. I believe this is why they are milking the turb 6 for what its worth, alot more power can be had with better efficiency over the 8. Also as for the Toyota issue, this is why I say its good any australian car recieves praise wether it be Ford or Holden, not sure about anyone else but I would never go out and grab my self a Toyota. they're about as bland as chewing gum thats been in your mouth for half an hour

[csv rulz]

Im pretty sure wheels got 9.1ltr/100km on the highway from the long term VE calais 6 cyl, thats damn fine considering its a big hefty car. Funny too because the best my fiances 06' standard ES Lancer achieved was 8.2ltr/100Km from Adelaide to Melbourne and back. Not sure how other 4 pots fair up to this but thats really SFA difference when you consider how much more car and power you get with a big 6

Thats not that good, the problem with the new car is its no more fuel effecient than what the VT was.

I have a series 2 VT which will carry as many people as the VE in as much comfort yet i get high 7L/100km - low 8/100km on the highway (9L/100km if im fully loaded). I know the VE is a better car in just about every aspect but one thing they need to work on is fuel economy. Weight is also an issue - the VT weighs under 1600kg which is a lot less than the VE.

My mate has a new Aurion and he gets 13L/100km round town i get 11L/100km and on the highway he only gets 9L/100km - Even the fuel efficient Aurion isnt all that great.

It seems to me in the last 8-10 years the fuel economy of cars has stayed the same if not got worse when it should have gotten better.

[Holden Man]

Thats not that good, the problem with the new car is its no more fuel effecient than what the VT was.

I have a series 2 VT which will carry as many people as the VE in as much comfort yet i get high 7L/100km - low 8/100km on the highway (9L/100km if im fully loaded). I know the VE is a better car in just about every aspect but one thing they need to work on is fuel economy. Weight is also an issue - the VT weighs under 1600kg which is a lot less than the VE.

My mate has a new Aurion and he gets 13L/100km round town i get 11L/100km and on the highway he only gets 9L/100km - Even the fuel efficient Aurion isnt all that great.

It seems to me in the last 8-10 years the fuel economy of cars has stayed the same if not got worse when it should have gotten better.

How very true

The BIG myth of "gains" which each model.

While cars get bigger and heavier with each new model - they can only hope to offer the same fuel savings as the previous model and any gain in power is generally negated by the extra weight.

Why are they building large sedans that are getting close to 2 tonne or Mid size cars that are now that big they would have been classed as "large" 5 years ago.

Even the "little" cars are big !

The automotive world is just waiting for the "new" pioneers to change its current ways.

Like these guys >

Wrightspeed X1
http://www.wrightspeed.com/specs.html
Little weight and a electric engine which would scare a new GTR !!
(0-100 in 3secs / 0-160 in 6.8secs / 1/4 mile in 11.5sesc / and who gives a shit what petrol costs as you don't need it!!

YouTube - Wrightspeed X1 vs. Lamborghini Gallardo and NASCAR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEXcLYqRcSs&)

[SS Enforcer]

I wouldn't hold your breath, I ordered the FG turbo ute on 23-04-08 and delivery looks like being mid August.
If they stopped making the Falcon I would buy a Holden but I would like something between the standard V6 and the V8 which they don't have at the moment.

How about the lucky straight 7 !!!

cheers

[lv619]

Does anyone know if the F6X (territory) is quicker than the FG GT ?
I think the F6X does 0-100 in 5.9secs / not sure on 1/4 mile

(If so it's a bit of a worry when a SUV is quicker than their flagship V8 sedan)

Maybe so, but the Territory has AWD, thus its not really a fair comparison anyway.

[vlcalais8]

Thats not that good, the problem with the new car is its no more fuel effecient than what the VT was.

I have a series 2 VT which will carry as many people as the VE in as much comfort yet i get high 7L/100km - low 8/100km on the highway (9L/100km if im fully loaded). I know the VE is a better car in just about every aspect but one thing they need to work on is fuel economy. Weight is also an issue - the VT weighs under 1600kg which is a lot less than the VE.

My mate has a new Aurion and he gets 13L/100km round town i get 11L/100km and on the highway he only gets 9L/100km - Even the fuel efficient Aurion isnt all that great.

It seems to me in the last 8-10 years the fuel economy of cars has stayed the same if not got worse when it should have gotten better.


Fair enough after hearing so much of higher consumption figures from the older models I would of thought 9.1 to be very good. Weight definately must be the main factor VT is 200 odd kg lighter than VE? If so thats like two bigger blokes in the car which you feel with many cars


How very true

The BIG myth of "gains" which each model.

While cars get bigger and heavier with each new model - they can only hope to offer the same fuel savings as the previous model and any gain in power is generally negated by the extra weight.

Why are they building large sedans that are getting close to 2 tonne or Mid size cars that are now that big they would have been classed as "large" 5 years ago.

Even the "little" cars are big !

The automotive world is just waiting for the "new" pioneers to change its current ways.

Like these guys >

Wrightspeed X1
http://www.wrightspeed.com/specs.html
Little weight and a electric engine which would scare a new GTR !!
(0-100 in 3secs / 0-160 in 6.8secs / 1/4 mile in 11.5sesc / and who gives a shit what petrol costs as you don't need it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEXcLYqRcSs&


so true, I know they must have thier reasons but its a shame manufacturers are fattening up thier cars with each new model. Imagine having the power the average falcon/commodore (or any other porker for that matter) has now but with say 300-400 Kg shed, performance and efficiency would be alot better

[Ghia351]

so true, I know they must have thier reasons but its a shame manufacturers are fattening up thier cars with each new model. Imagine having the power the average falcon/commodore (or any other porker for that matter) has now but with say 300-400 Kg shed, performance and efficiency would be alot betterIt's the "downside" if you want ESP/multiple airbags, stronger/stiffer body for improved crash protection, higher standard spec levels. Plus to build lighter bodies from more advanced materials means you won't get $33K+ starting prices. I'd take the heavier and slightly thirstier VE over VT anyday.