what is the ve rim mod ?

[luke05]

what is the ve rim mod ?
does any one know what the mods is and the machining measurements. Ive got VE R8 clubby wheels to put on my VZ LX8 Addy

[GMMAD]

you have to machine out the centre where the rim sits over the hub
measure your hub and get the centre of the rims machined to that size

[michaels1v8]

They just need machining to fit pre-VE models.

Shouldnt cost any more than $25 per rim.

Also you would need to run the correct rubber on the rims or else your rolling diameter will be different and your speedo will be out

[Grommz]

yeah its nothing special just get someone to machine about 5mm if that out the inside centre of each wheel.

[luke05]

there is a lip on the inside that sits over the hub , From my measurements its about 2.5mm thick so if i get it machined out by 2mm should be sweet ? The ve is like 66mm hub dia. and the vz is 68 and the ve runs bigger wheel studs . can i reuse the vz nuts ? will the tapper on the vz nuts seat up to the ve wheels ?

[w0lf]

Is is possible to fit pre-VE wheels onto a VE? what mods would be required?

[Grommz]

you just need a hub spacer ring so that the wheels will still fit snug.

cost you about $40 for a set.

[GMMAD]

you just need a hub spacer ring so that the wheels will still fit snug.

cost you about $40 for a set.
$40 a set:eyes:
i got a set last week for $16

[Grommz]

Well there you go i was just told they were about 10 bucks each.

[GMMAD]

Well there you go i was just told they were about 10 bucks each.
they may have been metal ones for that price
the ones I got where plastic for $4 each:)

[Stelth]

Guys be careful.

For safety you must also re-sleeve the the rims to take the smaller diameter nuts.

Rims have been know to get loose cause the wheel nuts float around the wheel's larger stud holes.

[luke05]

So to over come slightly smaller wheel nuts i should put bigger studs ( ve items) in the hubs ? can it be done , where can i get the sleeves from stelth ?

i got the mod done , but the 3000 dollar question : will the 9.5 inchers fit under the back of the adventra ?

[luke05]

any one fitted 9.5 to a rear of a vz adventra wagon ?

[HSVGTS215i]

Had an engineering shop machine my VE rims and asked if the pre VE studs and nuts would be safe and he said they are fine.

Been on there for some time now and havent come loose...

Correct torque settings are the key do yourself a favour and invest in a torque wrench.

[vxberwag]

I am running 19" VE SSV rims on my VZ Adventra and also had to run 3mm spacers at the front to clear the calipers.

[HSVGTS215i]

I am running 19" VE SSV rims on my VZ Adventra and also had to run 3mm spacers at the front to clear the calipers.

Wierd, what sort of calipers are on the adventra?

[lumina ss]

I run VE SS rims on my adventra and I found the biggest problem is the speed rating of the tyres, adventras legally must run 97 or higher rated tyres, HSV got around this by compliacing Avalanches with 96 rated tyres (the same as the VE), unfortunately this doesnt transfer to the adventra, and with the requirement to run 45 profile 18's not 40's like a regular VZ tyre choice is limited, I looked at 19's and 20's and at the time you just could not get the correct profile tyres at a high enough weight rating so I gave up, went to 18's and bought Nankang 100 Ws You can risk going lower rated tyres but Mr Plod knows what hes looking at now with all the minitrucks on the road so your chances of getting pinged are quite high, not to mention insurance issues

[HSVGTS215i]

Being a bit paranoid i think cant see cops looking at speed rating of your tyre let alone knowing what is required for your specific model.

[lumina ss]

Talking to a few mates who are coppers its actually the first thing they look at on cars with big rims, and the same with insurance assessors, its just that most people dont have a clue that tyres even have a weight loading. and its on the drivers door tyre label and in the owners manual, and yes the coppers are told to look at both iff in doupt

[vxberwag]

Yes Adventra's come with 97 load rated tyres but according to the plaque on the door 93 is minium.

[TIR33D]

The difference in the wheel specs are VE hubs are 67mm and VZ 71mm. You can machine a VE wheel by taking out the small lip which sits back about 3mm from the edge. When you look at the wheel you can see it.
The issue with the over size holes (VE is 14mm VZ 12mm) is not that big an issue, most would not know that most wheels available for a VE are similar wheels to the VZ just with bigger holes and a hub ring to close the 4mm gap.
The problem with wheels coming undone is more about replacing your nuts with new acorn style nuts.
The load rating issue is a problem with police yes, but more importantly your insurance, a under rated tyre will void your insurance.

[Muncha]

So if i was going to run VZ style space savers as front runners on a VE, should i run the factory VE wheel nuts?


Also what size spacer for the hub?

thanks

[ShiZzLe]

I am trying to fit VE 18's SV6/SS wheels onto my VX

This is what Bob Jane Tyre Marts said to me.. They wont fit with stock thread?

"Hi Grant,

We can get the wheels machined to suit the hub and we will also need
to have new sleaves fitted into the wheel stud holes. If it has the original
VE tyres you will find they will not clear the strut so you will need a
lower profile tyre.
In this case you will not need to adjust speedo."

[SinisterVY]

This is starting to worry me as it may be more hassle than its worth. Im looking to put a set of VE SSV wheels on my VY. Can anyone advise if this will be suitable?

Will i have issues with load rating, tyre profile etc?

[ShiZzLe]

This is starting to worry me as it may be more hassle than its worth. Im looking to put a set of VE SSV wheels on my VY. Can anyone advise if this will be suitable?

Will i have issues with load rating, tyre profile etc?

More hassle then its worth for sure... so far i need front 3mm spacers with new wheels/ Center holes Enlarged / rear guards rolled/ New sleeves fitted into the wheel stud holes

then i'm unsure about lowering. but will proberally need new shocks.... etc

Can anyone advise what King Springs i should get for my car. its either Low or Super lows... with super lows will i need new shocks etc?

[TIR33D]

I am beating a dead horse here.... No you cant use VE nuts on a VZ VE is 14mm VZ is 12mm - no matter how hard you try they just wont do up. I suspect the VE space saver only has a 67mm hole / centre bore so therefore unable to fit (and I would not machine them).

At a guess, 95% of the VE wheels you see on earlier models will not have inserts in the stud holes.

Oh and about the Bob Jane thing - I own a Tyrepower store.............

Shizzle - if you are using a spacer you should rethink everything. Spacers are illegal. And if you are using a spacer you will probably run out of stud to tighten your wheel nuts (actually almost guarantee that you will only have about 3 or 4 threads) Are you using the VE tyre cause if you are that is your problem too big.

If anyone is interested in a set of these I do have a full set (5) for sale, and funny enough I can fit any tyre you want from $150. Although for older commodores the Kumho in 245/35R19 is the pick, more expensive but worth it.
Wheels $700 for 4 - $850 for 5

Just say "HELLO"

[Wonky]

Can anyone advise what King Springs i should get for my car. its either Low or Super lows... with super lows will i need new shocks etc?

See Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=49960) for lots of pre VE lowered cars pics. I'd advise going superlows as lows will only bring it down to the level of a standard SS I believe. I lowered my VZ with King superlows (pics are in there) and it came down so that the rear tyres were level with the bottom of the wheel arch and the fronts had about a 12-15mm gap between tyres and arch. IMHO it looked good without being ridiculously low.

As for shocks, for the sake of around $400 or so for a set of KYB short body shocks I reckon you should. I had them on my VZ when it was lowered and it was if anything not as harsh as standard FE2 suspension.

[ShiZzLe]

Shizzle - if you are using a spacer you should rethink everything. Spacers are illegal. And if you are using a spacer you will probably run out of stud to tighten your wheel nuts (actually almost guarantee that you will only have about 3 or 4 threads) Are you using the VE tyre cause if you are that is your problem too big.

I have been told i could get 235's if i trade in the stock 245's that come with rim... and have those on the VE SS 18" rim. would this mean i wont need to roll back wheel arch and i wont need spacers? If so its a more safe wise choice...?

As for lowering, it will have to hold off for awhile, i have decided on Super lows all round. with some new shocks, for extra safety and comfort.

[TIR33D]

The original tyres cost over $400 each to buy from Bridgestone + mark up = an expensive tyre. Make sure you swap your tyres for a decent brand, don't except some chinese crap - think Kumho, Toyo, Falken, Yokohama. with a 235/40R18 on those wheels you shouldn't need a spacer - WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. You see these wheels and tyres for $1000 on ebay. Cheap set of wheels with quality tyres.

I will say that you will probably touch the rear arches when 2 or more in the back with Superlow springs. As for your shocks, they have probably seen more than 100000kms so a change would help anyway. And yes the ride quality is better.

I might be getting old but I hate myself for what I do to my cars, wifes wagon (with GTS kit) and my ute are both to low to just drive around. Driveways a problem, speedhumps, cattlegrids (country here) and especially parking (cannot get your nose over any gutter) Looks good but impractible

[ShiZzLe]

The original tyres cost over $400 each to buy from Bridgestone + mark up = an expensive tyre. Make sure you swap your tyres for a decent brand, don't except some chinese crap - think Kumho, Toyo, Falken, Yokohama. with a 235/40R18 on those wheels you shouldn't need a spacer - WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. You see these wheels and tyres for $1000 on ebay. Cheap set of wheels with quality tyres.

I will say that you will probably touch the rear arches when 2 or more in the back with Superlow springs. As for your shocks, they have probably seen more than 100000kms so a change would help anyway. And yes the ride quality is better.

I might be getting old but I hate myself for what I do to my cars, wifes wagon (with GTS kit) and my ute are both to low to just drive around. Driveways a problem, speed humps, cattlegrids (country here) and especially parking (cannot get your nose over any gutter) Looks good but impracticable

Thanks, to everyone. but i agree with you and i think thats the way i should go. then there is no insurance issues, no safety issues. Just what tyre to accept is the hard one. i have noted not to accept those cheap Chinese crap as mentioned. will lower later once wheels are on and everything. 235'sx40R18's is the go. i didn't know a narrower tyre can fit on the same rim.

So i only need to get the wheels machined out now and tyres changed (hopefully no extra charge) and then see how it all goes.

[SSHatch]

Also you would need to run the correct rubber on the rims or else your rolling diameter will be different and your speedo will be out
The best part is that the standard tyres that come on the VE are the proper plus sizes for the Adventra and they are the correct load rating.


there is a lip on the inside that sits over the hub , From my measurements its about 2.5mm thick so if i get it machined out by 2mm should be sweet ? The ve is like 66mm hub dia. and the vz is 68 and the ve runs bigger wheel studs . can i reuse the vz nuts ? will the tapper on the vz nuts seat up to the ve wheels ?
I machined mine by hand, took a while and I wont go into details here but...
Basically if that lip you speak of is machined off completely then you will find the center bore is a snug fit on the hubs of the Adventra. I applied a smear of Anti-Seize to the hubs when fitting the wheels to make them easier to get back off in future.


Had an engineering shop machine my VE rims and asked if the pre VE studs and nuts would be safe and he said they are fine.

Been on there for some time now and haven't come loose...

Correct torque settings are the key do yourself a favour and invest in a torque wrench.

Somebody who asked the right people, I did the same thing. ;)
Its the tapered section of the nut that actually helps to locate and secure the wheel, not the size of the stud. Only on older style mags that had a long shank on the nut did you have to have the exact size studs fitted.

Same here, wheels been on for quite a while now and no issues whatsoever.
Agree with the comment on the torque wrench also, a car enthusiasts best friend for jobs like this.


I am running 19" VE SSV rims on my VZ Adventra and also had to run 3mm spacers at the front to clear the calipers.

I also found that mine fouled on the front caliper. I contacted the business I purchased my VE-SSV wheel and tyre package from about it and was informed that they had never had an issue before. I contemplated the spacers but found it easier to grind the small offending section from the caliper. Nowhere near enough to affect the caliper structurally I should point out here as well.