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Hamico
04-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Let's hope this continues......

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=53342

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Holden Commodore back on top of the sales charts in May
Josh Gliddon, drive.com.au, June 4, 2008

The Commodore was Australia's best selling car in May, but still trails the Toyota Corolla in the annual sales race.


Holden Commodore VE Omega
The Holden Commodore was Australia's best selling car in May, wresting back the mantle from last month’s number one, Toyota’s HiLux utility.

But Australia's most popular car for the past decade still trails the Toyota Corolla in the yearly sales race by 343 sales.

Holden spokesman John Lindsay claims the Holden result is impressive, given the fact it was achieved without the Commodore wagon.

“We have also achieved it against the backdrop of the launch of a new competitor (the new FG Falcon) into the market.”

But the news is not all good for Holden. Commodore sales are still down by 22 per cent year-to-date, while the maker's mid-sized sedan, the Epica, managed just 43 sales.

Holden sold 4215 Commodores in May, versus 3914 Toyota HiLux sales and 3668 Corollas. Ford sold 3320 Falcons in May. That result included one week of new FG Falcon sales.

Toyota continued its dominance of the local car market with 20,754 sales in May, compared to Holden's 11,118 sales and Ford's 9624. Toyota has become the first manufacturer to achieve more than 100,000 sales in the first five months of any year, with 101,816 sales to the end of May 2008.

The results reveal a two-speed automotive market, with the resources boom pushing light truck sales along to the tune of 78,936 vehicles for the year-to-date, an 11. 3 per cent increase.

Sales of passenger cars have been impacted by rising interest rates and higher petrol prices, with the overall passenger car market off by 2.5 per cent, or 1328 vehicles, compared to May 2007.

All segments with the exception of light cars and sports cars contributed to this drop. Hardest hit was the upper large car segment, which was off 302 sales, or 36.4 per cent.

Despite the arrival of Ford's new FG Falcon late in the month - which helped Ford regain some sales and lift share of the segment - the large car segment continued its slide. Aside from the drop in Commodore sales, the Toyota Aurion was also down 17.2 per cent in May.

Honda's Accord V6 - now being pitched as a Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore contender - ate away at the ground once dominated by locally-made vehicles; almost 1000 Accords were sold in May.

Compared with the same month in 2007 people mover sales were down 261 units, or 18.1 per cent, with many of the sales going to 4WDs, particularly the booming soft-road segment.

One of the major growth segments in recent years - mid-sized cars - remained strong, resisting the 4.0 per cent fall in the overall new-vehicle market. Mazda shifted almost 1000 of its Mazda6, Ford almost 600 Mondeos and Toyota almost 2000 Camrys.

With newcomers such as the Mazda2, sales of light cars continued to boom, rising 3.9 per cent, or 394 units, in the softening overall market.

Some four-wheel drives (or sports utility vehicles, as they're officially classified) continue to defy higher petrol prices and strong interest rates. In particular, the large 4WD/SUV segment was up 12 per cent, or 174 vehicles compared to the same month in 2007, continuing strong overall growth for some of the heaviest, thirstiest family cars on the road. Even Nissan's decade-old Patrol continues its long standing popularity in a segment dominated by the new Toyota LandCruiser 200-Series.

Mid-sized off-roaders were also up 16.8 per cent, or 1013 units, while compact and luxury 4WDs were down. Despite accounting for two in five 4WD sales, compact SUV sales fell 667 units compared to May 2008, while the fall is luxury sales was just 136 units.

The number of private buyers prepared to pay a premium for a diesel-powered vehicle showed its first sign of softening in May. For the first four months of 2008 private buyers led a 50 per cent growth in diesel passenger cars, but the May 2008 growth was a more modest 21 per cent.

But high diesel prices haven’t scared away fleet buyers, with diesel sales up 109 per cent on the same month last year.

“From the feedback we’re getting, novated lease drivers are getting the message of fuel costs, and they’re taking that and running with it which is leading to an increase in diesel sales,” says Innovation Sureplan’s director of operations, Tony Robinson. "This is despite the often higher depreciation of diesel cars due to the higher up-front costs."

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`redoctober
04-06-2008, 08:56 PM
About bloody time!

Go Holden :D

brentonsav
04-06-2008, 09:13 PM
About bloody time!

Go Holden :D

nice stuff holden!

next month i'll be cheering for last months winner as i cruise around in my new 4x4 hilux. :vpo:

:flame: <- doesn't even hurt!!

vecommo
04-06-2008, 09:18 PM
Commodore's sales figures are pretty respectable considering they are sedan sales only. Once the wagon comes on line I would expect a boost of around 500-1000 sales per month.
It's only early days yet, but the general consensus on the ford forums is that consumer interest in the FG has been rather underwhelming and there have been significantly less than expected orders taken to date. The majority of the Falcon's figure consists of runout BFII's and FG dealer demonstrators. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens in the next few months.

Hamico
04-06-2008, 09:24 PM
Commodore's sales figures are pretty respectable considering they are sedan sales only. Once the wagon comes on line I would expect a boost of around 500-1000 sales per month.

I hope your right, when the VE wagon arrives in July we should see the VE selling 5000 a month, this should hopefully see the Commodore overtake the Corolla for the year. :banana:

Last thing we need is Toyota crowing about having the top selling car, they have taken everything else:vpo:

vecommo
04-06-2008, 09:32 PM
Well considering probably 70% of Corolla sales are to car rental companies with bugger all profit margin, I don't think they have much to crow about at all.

Excellent
04-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Didn't Holden advertise heavily in May. Might explain the increased VE sales.

demondan
04-06-2008, 11:53 PM
Well considering probably 70% of Corolla sales are to car rental companies with bugger all profit margin, I don't think they have much to crow about at all.

I think you'll find that the same % of commodore sales would be to fleets,
so bugger all profit there as well.

Desertws6
05-06-2008, 04:20 AM
Got to love hearing about the home team with sales up. Keeps the money circulating around the local economy. :)

Go Holden :woot::woot:

Cheers,
Steve

mmciau
05-06-2008, 06:34 AM
I think you'll find that the same % of commodore sales would be to fleets,
so bugger all profit there as well.

As i understand it, Holden are not into crass fleet discounting like they were with earlier vehicles.

The vehicles are selling on their merits

Toyota is a big fleet sales numbers - you even have KRUDD's mob running around in Prius and sprouting about gas guzzlers!!! (HR 4 June Hansard).

Nobody has told me how they are going to environmentally get rid of all the prius batteries when they are stuffed!

Mike

Marco
05-06-2008, 08:58 AM
Good to see a local product back on top - bring on the wagon sales!

Fnomna
05-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Don't forget stopping local production of the 380 would have added another 23 sales to Commodore!

Marco
05-06-2008, 02:30 PM
while the maker's mid-sized sedan, the Epica, managed just 43 sales

This would not appear to be a car that is going as well as was hoped...did the Vectra ever post numbers this low?

vlcalais8
05-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Well done to Holden good to see they're on top again, I think if you could filter out who bought what car privately Toyotas wouldnt be high on the list

Knight Phlier
05-06-2008, 03:38 PM
Holden need to lift their game in the medium car segment. Epica is an absolute disgrace considering more buyers are turning to smaller cars, there should be a market increase in that segment - holdens medium car offering is nothing short of crap. A locally built vehicle would blitz this market. I understand Ford are building the Focus here in 2010, have Holden got any plans to build anything other than the Commy in aus in the next 3-5 years? If they don't IMO they won't hold any mantle soon.

Carby
05-06-2008, 04:07 PM
Probably the case for the Epica as it is in a higher price bracket and is way way off the pace with it's competitors , but I would say that the Astra, Barina and Viva all satisfy their intended markets quite well - they are cheap cars but not nasty. I really think there is a section of people out there (journalists as well) who really like to muddy the waters when it comes to Korean cars - people I know who own them don't have any real issues with them - certainly no more than other car drivers.

Ausmartin1
05-06-2008, 05:58 PM
I'd take a Mexican built Chevy Cobalt any day over the Epica.
Who was the moron who put Epica package together LOL.

If they don't have the Cobalt here , why don't they sell the Malibu -it's selling like hot cakes in the states and it's got a very high quality build.

Why we keep getting crap from GM in small cars and paying 30% extra cause were Australian?

Ho Hum....

emg
05-06-2008, 06:25 PM
Let's hope this continues......

Why? Do you have financial interests in Holden?

LSX-438
05-06-2008, 06:41 PM
Why? Do you have financial interests in Holden?

Err, i for one would like the commodore sales to be successful. I love V8's

More to the point, who in the hell is buying almost 4000 Hilux's? Where did that come from - is that a recent thing??

Hamico
05-06-2008, 06:50 PM
Err, i for one would like the commodore sales to be successful. I love V8's

I second that.

What is the attitude of some on this forum, do they want us all driving imports one day ?

emg
06-06-2008, 12:13 AM
Why do you hope this continues? Are more sales the only way to secure Holden's future? Other car companies sell less yet their cars seem to make it to the road. I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality so they don't pollute the roads with warranty infested lemons.

Hamico
06-06-2008, 12:23 AM
Why do you hope this continues? Are more sales the only way to secure Holden's future? Other car companies sell less yet their cars seem to make it to the road. I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality so they don't pollute the roads with warranty infested lemons.

Producing more cars has got nothing to do with making lemons (see Honda/Toyota) however, producing more cars that are profitable makes more money to invest in future models.


I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality


I would rather see you produce a little less garble but focus more on zippin' it :flipoff:

Ghia351
06-06-2008, 01:23 AM
Commodore's sales figures are pretty respectable considering they are sedan sales only. Once the wagon comes on line I would expect a boost of around 500-1000 sales per month.
It's only early days yet, but the general consensus on the ford forums is that consumer interest in the FG has been rather underwhelming and there have been significantly less than expected orders taken to date. The majority of the Falcon's figure consists of runout BFII's and FG dealer demonstrators. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens in the next few months.Don't you think a dealer would need the full range in stock for customers to place orders? The biggest issue for Holden is how do they manage the rising Aust dollar because if their exports volumes to the US drop or the US decided to build there because it becomes considerble cheaper we suffer here. Some very intersting times ahaed when you factor in oil prices/currency rates...and interest rates for that matter.

offshore
06-06-2008, 04:44 AM
Don't you think a dealer would need the full range in stock for customers to place orders? The biggest issue for Holden is how do they manage the rising Aust dollar because if their exports volumes to the US drop or the US decided to build there because it becomes considerble cheaper we suffer here. Some very intersting times ahaed when you factor in oil prices/currency rates...and interest rates for that matter.

Don't be surprised of that does in fact happen. BMW have already announced they are closing manufacturing in Europe and opening up in Florida due to the weakness of the US dollar.

If this continues I can see Holdens being made in the US no reason not to.

Having said that the Federal reserve comments the other day suggested that the US dollar was at the bottom of the range and should start to turn around. I actually expect it to be back in mid 80's this time next year and Oil around 80 to 90 a barrel.

LSX-438
06-06-2008, 07:28 AM
Why do you hope this continues? Are more sales the only way to secure Holden's future? Other car companies sell less yet their cars seem to make it to the road. I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality so they don't pollute the roads with warranty infested lemons.

Check out the sales of commodores say 3-5 years ago - % market share vs now. If the trend continues, there will be no 400hp RWD V8 Sedans made here. Simple.

I suppose the way fuel is going anyway, we had better live it up while we can.

FlatfootV8
06-06-2008, 09:00 AM
Why do you hope this continues? Are more sales the only way to secure Holden's future? Other car companies sell less yet their cars seem to make it to the road. I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality so they don't pollute the roads with warranty infested lemons.

What makes you think other car companies don't make " warranty infestes lemons"?.
Did you just join this forum to bash the product?.

MRLXSS
06-06-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm still waiting for Holden to reproduce the torana....

A 4cyl, 6cyl, Turbo 6cyl and the V8 HSV Special! YEAH BABY! And it would have to have some style and aussie toughness to it as well!

shane W Z
06-06-2008, 02:27 PM
I'm still waiting for Holden to reproduce the torana....

A 4cyl, 6cyl, Turbo 6cyl and the V8 HSV Special! YEAH BABY! And it would have to have some style and aussie toughness to it as well!

Yeah Bring back the torana !!!!:bow:

payaya
07-06-2008, 09:03 PM
Why do you hope this continues? Are more sales the only way to secure Holden's future? Other car companies sell less yet their cars seem to make it to the road. I would rather see holden produce a little less but focus more on quality so they don't pollute the roads with warranty infested lemons.

Build a little less?? Turn over and taking on an important role with the global company will help a lot. Ford/Holden have large amounts of money invested in australia, so if it gets to a point where its not profitable anymore, and Ford Aus and Holden Aus hit a brick wall, their respective parent company would have no worries pulling the plug, just like what Mitsubishi did.

mitchtj
08-06-2008, 09:50 AM
Holden need to lift their game in the medium car segment. Epica is an absolute disgrace considering more buyers are turning to smaller cars, there should be a market increase in that segment - holdens medium car offering is nothing short of crap. A locally built vehicle would blitz this market. I understand Ford are building the Focus here in 2010, have Holden got any plans to build anything other than the Commy in aus in the next 3-5 years? If they don't IMO they won't hold any mantle soon.
that opel insignia is a superb looking car.

But Holden is sticking with the epica :rolleyes:

payaya
08-06-2008, 02:39 PM
Its a discrace how Holden have replaced their european lineup of small and medium cars with Daewoo trash.

Pav023
08-06-2008, 03:22 PM
I agree with that, I feel sorry for people who drive those cr@p cars.
HAHA not.

I saw a american hyundai add, " You look and feel confident, you must drive a hyundai" HAHAHA God god i prob kill myself if i drove one of those cars.

vecommo
08-06-2008, 03:27 PM
Don't you think a dealer would need the full range in stock for customers to place orders?

There is a Ford dealer in south east Melbourne that I regularly drive past whose holding yard is clearly visible from the street. There are at least 50-100 FG's there of all descriptions sitting there collecting dust which have not moved for the last 2 weeks.

Jac001
09-06-2008, 05:36 PM
Its a discrace how Holden have replaced their european lineup of small and medium cars with Daewoo trash.

yet daewoo 'trash' as you put it are selling better than many of the euro model they replaced.

WHats funny is that even back in 2000, before gm bought daewoo, daewoo where making more relaible cars than what holden and opel were...

http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=102504&catId=100477&tid=100008&p=13&title=Car+reliability+

Pav023
09-06-2008, 07:03 PM
Their shithouse with regards to design and i wouldnt drive one as their safety record doesnt stand up. Holden Barina went from a four star to a three star with the rebadge daewoo, with regards to safety. People who buy those daewoo cars wouldnt have a clue.

mac06
09-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Their shithouse with regards to design and i wouldnt drive one as their safety record doesnt stand up. Holden Barina went from a four star to a three star with the rebadge daewoo, with regards to safety. People who buy those daewoo cars wouldnt have a clue.

Epica has a four star ANCAP rating, it's only the Barina that went down in the rating from Euro to Korean. As for the Captiva, it's selling well. Another "Daewoo" as you put it. I think there are a lot of people who own Barina, Viva and Captiva that are very happy with their purchase. Just because you don't like them doesn't make everyone that doesn't agree with your point of view clueless.