Hey guys.. 4 months till the day! need some advice

[xploit]

Hey guys,

Well i have decided against sselling my humble ve sv6 for a v8 and im going to get a bike instead.

I will be going for my learners in four months and have narrowed it down to a few bikes that i would like too have, just wanting some opinions. And yes i know everyone will say you shouldve searched but still doesnt answer my specific questions.

The thing is im not a overly huge bloke but im 5 10-11 roughly and around 95-100 kgs... and i want a road bike, have had a fair experience racing go-karts but got out of that a few years ago and a little bit on bikes.

However the bikes im looking at (legally) as i will be a learner are;

2008 Aprilia RS250
2008 Honda CBR250RR
2005 Hyosung GT250R

However my question is will these bikes be too small / uncomftorble.. obviously i will go try some when i get my licence but thought id ask for a educated guess first here.

The other bikes i would really like, as i dont exactly want to change up in a few years are;

Honda CBR600RR 2003-2005 model.

Yamaha YZFR-6 2003-2005 model.

Or Suzuki GSXR 750

(I think i got the names of them all right)

My other question is,

As it will be a weekend rider / occasional rider.. How bad are the penalties in Vic for riding a higher CC bike then your supposed too??

Im not one for usually flaunting the power laws otherwise id already have a V8.. its just i think that the smaller bikes may be too small for my build...

Mate has a late 80's odd 250rr and i find it really uncomftorble too ride..

But i do want a sportsbike not a cruiser.. im not a fan of them.

Any help is appreciated.

Cheers,

Dave

[macca33]

Dave, they make decent sized 250s these days, the lack of a comfortable feeling may simply be that you are not used to riding one and your mate's late 80s one would be no comparison to a modern bike anyway.

Put simply, the capacity restrictions are there for safety. Whilst I'm not gonna tell you what you should or should not do, you've felt the wrath of doing the wrong thing before, so why tempt fate yet again? It isn't too bad a thing to actually comply with laws, such as the restricted vehicle/bike ones, is it? You've proven it is not with your SV6. Bikes are a hell of a lot more dangerous than cars.

To be honest, I'm not a fan of bikes anyway - I like the security of a steel cabin and four wheels.

Cheers

[xploit]

Thankyou Macca for bringing up everything that i know ive done wrong, appreciate that one.. and yet whilst i dont deny it, and i did stuff up, i dont want it rubbed in my face...I even find it laughable because i stuffed up once before that never even had so much as a parking ticket...

But i dont need/want it brought up everytime i ask for help on this forum?.. how about we just stay to the questions and answers of the original statement. and its going to be a weekend warrior, and trust me mate, it wont happen again...

And it is my choice to get on a bike or not.. each to their respective thoughts and preferences. The thread wasnt started to bring up my history nor anyone else's only difference is alot of people are aware of mine, so with knowing that id appreciate it if you just kept it in your head mate.

All i was asking was about the size of the bike, if i wanted too generally flaunt the laws id be in a 6 litre by now.

But thankyou for the first part of your reply that was semi-helpful..

Cheers.

[Road Warrior]

Agreed, you can't compare some 1980's buzzbox to some of the modern 250's. Also I would be forgetting about those 250's in your list. The Aprilia is a 2 stroke race replica, is kick-start only and can be a pain in the arse to own, the CBR250RR is over priced, over rated and old, and the Hyosung is simply a pile of shite. Look at either a Honda VTR250, a Kawasaki ZZR or GPX250 or even the new Ninja 250. You've said 2008 CBR250RR - I have never heard of this bike - are you sure you're not thinking of the CBR125?

If you're stupid enough to get caught riding out of class, then you probably deserve it anyway. It's exactly the same as riding without a licence and if you stuff up and have a crash, smashing up your shit or someone else's, you're not going to be covered by any form of insurance, your own or State 3rd party. It isn't worth the risk. Also, if the cops see you doing something stupid which leads to them finding out that you're out of class, the pineapple could be considerably larger (ie licence suspension) which affects your car licence as well.

Just do the time on a 250, learn, and when you're legally able to, upgrade to an open class bike.

[Smitty]

Agreed, you can't compare some 1980's buzzbox to some of the modern 250's. Also I would be forgetting about those 250's in your list. The Aprilia is a 2 stroke race replica, is kick-start only and can be a pain in the arse to own, the CBR250RR is over priced, over rated and old, and the Hyosung is simply a pile of shite. Look at either a Honda VTR250, a Kawasaki ZZR or GPX250 or even the new Ninja 250. You've said 2008 CBR250RR - I have never heard of this bike - are you sure you're not thinking of the CBR125?

If you're stupid enough to get caught riding out of class, then you probably deserve it anyway. It's exactly the same as riding without a licence and if you stuff up and have a crash, smashing up your shit or someone else's, you're not going to be covered by any form of insurance, your own or State 3rd party. It isn't worth the risk. Also, if the cops see you doing something stupid which leads to them finding out that you're out of class, the pineapple could be considerably larger (ie licence suspension) which affects your car licence as well.

Just do the time on a 250, learn, and when you're legally able to, upgrade to an open class bike.


...agree entirely with the above ( and I say that having been on 2 wheels for a long time now)
..the Honda or Kwakas are fine to start with but if (when?) the Vic guvmint brings in LAMs....then the choice will widen
but
goodonya for getting a bike


oh..and its $250 + 3 points if you get caught riding a bike you are not entitled to...plus the obvious dangers of lack of insurance
....if you crash it as mentioned

hth

Smitty

[macca33]

Mate, to be honest, I never intended to bring up anything about your highly personal and not to be discussed past - I don't even know what you have or have not done, apart from the fact that YOU have highlighted, on a few occasions, that you lost your licence.

Maybe it is simply time for you to get down off your high horse. The entire world isn't against you and from what I've seen, your life has been gilded when compared to many others, so LIGHTEN THE F^CK UP.

cheers

[wikky]

As posted above, the restrictions are there for a reason. I think you'll find any of the newer 250s will have more than enough power and room for you seeing you don't have heaps of riding experience. My personal thoughts of a new rider getting on a 600 like you mentioned, would be very stupid. I know people are going to say "I started out on a 600 or a 1000 and I had no worries", but at the end of the day, these bikes are absolute weapons. A 600 is designed to be revved and makes bugger all power under 8-9000rpm, and you can find yourself in a lot of trouble very quickly. These bikes were designed for the track, not the road. (I have a CBR600RR by the way)
I started out on a CBR250RR (I think it was a 2002 compliance) and I loved it. I grew up riding dirt bikes of all sizes so I had heaps of riding experience before the 250, but I found to learn on the road, the 250 was a heap on fun. If you keep the revs up on these they fly. Also I'm right on 6" tall and had enough room to be comfortable.
I guess at the end of the day you need to decide if you're willing to ride around on a bigger bike and risk getting done for it and also riding a bike that's beyond your capabilities.
One idea would be to buy a slightly older 250 (2000-2004ish, there's heaps of them out there). It will cost you bugger all, ride it until you're allowed to upgrade with your licence, then trade it in on a bigger bike.
Any of the 250s you listed above would be ok bikes to learn on, but there are many others to choose from. Depending on which state you're in, there are some bigger bikes (500+cc) which are learner approved. They may be worth checking out.
It may sound as though I'm ranting and raving but my best mate killed himself when he was on is Ls and he borrowed another mate's larger capacity bike. It was too much for him. I just don't want to see this happen to anyone else.
Just my 2 cents.
All the best mate with your search.

[xploit]

Thanks for the responses guys :),

I was going to do this last year but had a mate killed as he was hit by a drunk driver which made me a bit iffy.. im keen as too get on a bike but as the wealth of knowledge here has said.. i think i will stick to the 250.

As for you macca, im as happy as a pig in shit.. your the one who was quick to pay me out and im very happy thankyou.

You dont even ride? the only reason you commented was to have a go at me for what id done in the past and not offer anything constructive to the argument. As for being "gilded" buddy, i work for everything ive got and i always have? and im still paying it all off..

Because i can manage my money and i work and i have no outstanding debts because i live at home im guilded? buddy your the one whos on your high horse and i think that "jungle waiting to consume me" has already done wonders to your brain.

I dont deny the fact i lost my licence, because i stuffed up did the wrong thing and i got caught.. but doesnt mean i want to hear about it from everyone, about every second thing i mention.

If you cant be respectful and post up just to put someone down.. good on you i hope it makes you feel better about yourself.

Anyway, thanks for the responses guys i appreciate it :)

Some good guidance here.

Cheers.

Dave

[DaveHAT]

Dave ... my only piece of advice is, because you'll be a learner ... buy whichever bike will cost you the least to fix WHEN you drop it or incur the least amount of damage WHEN you drop it.

That's not having a shot at your abilities as a rider but in my experience as both a rider and an instructor ... when it comes to learner riders it's not a matter of IF you'll drop your bike but WHEN.

All the bikes you've listed are good options but not something I'd be recommending for someone embarking on riding a bike for the first time. Aprillia is an "exotic" bike with I'd imagine a fairly exotic repair bill attached to it if dropped or damaged.

Look at "naked" bikes as an option ... reason being, no fairing to smash if you drop it. I believe the Hyosung GT250 comes in a naked style.

As far as jumping straight onto a widow maker like an R6 ... DON'T. Serve your time as a learner and develope your skills on a suitable 250. Step up once you can legally do so and not before. Running before you can walk will potentially turn your lovely MOTORcycle into one of those DONORcycles few people like to talk about.

Go the Hyosung but only after doing research into replacement part costs. For your own knowledge if nothing else. That way you can confidently say that you've researched as much about the bikes as possible. IMO only the Hyosung, whilst not a cutting edge bike, represents very good ride away value for money.

Good luck and "stay upright" :)

:cheers:

[NickS]

The only reason you commented was to have a go at me for what id done in the past and not offer anything constructive to the argument.

I actually think Macca's post was fine, good advice if you ask me (I know you didn't ... but tough shit), you have to get over this issue you have with anyone saying anything even remotely negative. If you honestly think you haven't had a privileged upbringing I think you need to pull your head out of your arse and see what the rest of the world is like.

Have a nice day now ... :D

[xploit]

Cheers Dave!

Was thinking of a hyo because theyre still relatively cheap and look half decent :)

Um, as someone mentioned before a 2008 CBR250RR was on bikepoint.com.au its one of sumotomos and its not the old 80's style bike, looks modern and kind of like a RR...

I think they may be listing it as a 250RR when its realy the new 250 Ninja..

But yeah thanks for all the responses guys!

Cheers,

Dave

Nick,

I dont have a problem with anyone saying negative things too me at all, its even a bit of constructive criticism.

I have had a good up-bringing, and in that way im lucky. But its not all beers and skittles like everyone seems to think because i had my first car bought for me...

Anyway, the point of this thread is not too discuss my up-bringing nor my **** ups in the past.. just some simple humble advice on what bike i should choose from people who ride or have knowledge in the area.

Macca's post pretty much told me i was an idiot for even considering it because of a stuff up i had in the past?

And i do work for everything i have... I wish i had everything paid for no questions asked would be great but the world doesnt work like that nor was i brought up too think like that.

Look everyone knows i stuffed up and lost my licence, and everyone has this concept that im a golden child who was born with a silver spoon in my mouth.. which is far far from the case.. but why do i have to justify myself too you people.

I just asked for some humble advice and once again it turns into a shit slinging contest.

So tough shit.

Dave

[Belzey]

Geez Dave you might want to take a good look at Maccas first post as I did not see him rubbing anything in your face. He gave some pretty darn good advice.

When you ask for advice (specially when it comes to doing something illegal) expect to be given differing opinions etc or do not ask as as you have proven here you may not like what is said to you.

[xploit]

Hmm.. maybe i did over react a little.

Even though i did stuff up im sick of people telling me about it..

I apologise Macca, i see the point you were trying to make now, i enterpreted it the wrong way. Plus you did try too tell me that it was a stupid idea.. steamed me a little.

I am trying to put it behind me though and ive had more than enough time to contemplate what i did wrong, just gets too me everytime i ask for someones help.. someone brings it up again and again, and i feel like as much as a tool as you think i am. but today you just happened to be that person.

I apologise macca.

Well besides for my bad day, thanks for everyones responses it has been very helpful.

Cheers.

Dave

PS.. thanks kell i didnt really see it that way to start with.

[sszute]

hey mate im looking at getting a bike aswell im 6.4 so the 250cc are abit of a tight fit in nsw you can get the hyosung 600 or 550 i forget what one but they come from the factory detuned so there lams approved and you get the big bike and then you change the carby and a coulpe of other things and presto back at 600cc again but its hard for the cops to find out that it been done and only cost $450 for the shop to do it and then theres the new ninja 250cc and it spose to be quite big for it size im waiting for them to get one in so i can try it out and see how i fit

[wikky]

Um, as someone mentioned before a 2008 CBR250RR was on bikepoint.com.au its one of sumotomos and its not the old 80's style bike, looks modern and kind of like a RR...

I think they may be listing it as a 250RR when its realy the new 250 Ninja..

Dave

These aren't actually a 2008 model CBR2500RR, they're a 2008 compliance. These shops import these CBRs from overseas as grey imports and you'll find the bikes are actually sometimes 10 years old, but with a brand new set of fairings, and a few bolt-ons. They all usually have about 10,000-20,000km on them and then they get imported. BUT, I'm not saying they're a bad bike, quite the opposite actually. But I'm just speaking fromthe experience I had with mine. I bought one in about 2001 from this place you've mentioned. It was a 2001 compliance but was a 98 model bike with a Rossi Rep fairing. But I did know this when I went to the shop. These new complianced CBR250RRs look sweet as with the race style fairings. But you can buy the exact same bike with a slightly less race looking fairing for $1000 less, but if you've got the dosh then by all means get the better looking bike.
Just a point to consider with these CBRs, sometimes they build these bikes from several donor bikes, so it pays to check them out (get someone who knows if you don't), that there aren't any real old parts on them. It's amazing what a coat of paint or a polish will hide.
I had my CBR250RR for about 3 years and never had a problem with it. I had it serviced and tuned regularly and it did not once missed a beat. I actually missed it when I upgraded because it was such a fun bike to ride (and as light as).
Just be careful with this bike shop mentioned above because when you walk in with a fist full of cash, they're your best friend. But as soon as they have your hard earned, they couldn't give a rat's arse. Maybe I just had a one off bad experince with them, and they could have changed hands I don't know. On the plus side with them you get some cheaper gear from them when you buy a bike.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

[Satansfist]

G'day Dave, if you're determinded to grab a 250 road bike here's a couple of observations:

Any of the 4 cyclinder 250's are going to be very peaky to ride, like 14000 to 16000rpm peaky. The bikes you're talking about at Suimoto are older model bikes with aftermarket bodywork on them to make them look like the current MotoGP bikes. Nothing wrong with that but just so you know.

I like the Aprilia RS250, very roomy to ride but again the style of bike means all the power comes in with a bang in the top of the rev range. I found it more comfortable than the Ducati I owned at the time but honestly not one to recommend for someone with little riding experience. If I was buying a 250 I'd go for one of these or an RGV 250 or to relive my youth a KR1S kawasaki.

Maybe some of the twin or single cylinder bikes would suit better, knowing that tyou will trade up to a larger engined bike when you can their limitations are minimized and are far outweighed by their benefits.

So maybe something like an older Honda VT250 or even VTR250 or CBF 250 the Hyosung GT and GTR 250's; the Kawasaki GPX250 or ZZR250...so on and so forth.

Last recommendation would be to spend a Saturday morning in the bike shops sitting on potential purchases just to try them on for size, couldn't hurt.

[macca33]

No dramas Dave, it's all good mate - I've been having plenty of those days lately, but the freedom bird is on the horizon - 27 days to go!!! :thumbsup:

Cheers and take care,

Macca

[Devil CV8]

Dave ... my only piece of advice is, because you'll be a learner ... buy whichever bike will cost you the least to fix WHEN you drop it or incur the least amount of damage WHEN you drop it.

That's not having a shot at your abilities as a rider but in my experience as both a rider and an instructor ... when it comes to learner riders it's not a matter of IF you'll drop your bike but WHEN.

Its like that age old saying. "There are 2 types of riders, those who have crashed their bikes, and those that are yet to crash"

Fortunately I'm still in the second group.

[Road Warrior]

Its like that age old saying. "There are 2 types of riders, those who have crashed their bikes, and those that are yet to crash"

Fortunately I'm still in the second group.

I always gotta have a bit of a chuckle to myself at n00bs (and not so n00bs) when they brag and boast about the amount of offs they've had, like it's some sort of measurement of skill or badge of honour or that it shows that they're a "mad tyte raycer" when they couldn't be any further from the truth.

"HAY BRO I DROPPED IT IN MY GARAGE/GOING ROUND A CORNER/IN FRONT OF MY GURL/GETTING MAD TYTE SLIPSTREEMA ACSHUN IN THE TWISTIES LOLOLOLOL"

[cholo]

hey i wanna get a bike too, but wife says too dangerous. heres the quote from her - "instead of the bike protecting you, you are protecting the bike."


Cheers

Cholo

[SSBarney]

I strongly agree with staying on a 250 until you are fully experienced.
250's are certainlyy fast enough to kill you.

When i was 21 I had a 250CBR, was not an overly fast bike but i still got to the point where I sold it because it was so thrilling to ride fast on a bike, i knew it was only time until one of those idiots that pull out in front were the last thing i saw.

Altho I'm hungering for a bike again......

Have fun on the bike, make sure u wear ur leathers, and stay alert.

[wikky]

If I was buying a 250 I'd go for one of these or an RGV 250



I'm not having a go or hanging sh!t but an RGV250 needs to be fed more revs and is far peakier than a CBR250RR. These would be one of the last bikes recommended for a learner. Plus you'd be struggling to find one in decent condition because most likely at some stage in its life it's been raced, and if not raced then flogged.
I'm gathering that you're suggesting this bike to Dave. If I've mis-read your post and you're stating that you would personally buy an RGV250 I apologise.
Like I said Satansfist, I'm not attacking your comment mate, just giving my opinion. :hide:

[xploit]

Thanks for the answers guys...

And yeah i know theres so many risks with riding a bike.. but ive always been a rev head and looking for something else even though i know the risks that go with it..

Raced karts and that was a great rush but got over it.. now im kind of over all cars and theres no real spirit left in it.. dont get me wrong when i got my licence it was the biggest rush ever.. and i love my car .. but now im looking for something too move my soul again..

And no its not because i own a 6.. well thats probably got a bit too do with it.. but even the old mans chevy which is farkeeeng quick its fun.. but still doesnt move me.

Just have to be careful and have good gear i suppose..

Pretty decided on a GT250R hyo now, or maybe still the 250rr but i dunno.

Cheers.

Dave

[Road Warrior]

I'm not having a go or hanging sh!t but an RGV250 needs to be fed more revs and is far peakier than a CBR250RR. These would be one of the last bikes recommended for a learner. Plus you'd be struggling to find one in decent condition because most likely at some stage in its life it's been raced, and if not raced then flogged.
I'm gathering that you're suggesting this bike to Dave. If I've mis-read your post and you're stating that you would personally buy an RGV250 I apologise.
Like I said Satansfist, I'm not attacking your comment mate, just giving my opinion. :hide:

Yeah I think what he meant was if he was looking for a 250...like a 2 banger for weekend/trackday shenanigans.

Must be a mid life crisis thing I guess :lol:

[Toddler78]

mate having riden motorbikes for 22 years and racing when I was 7 I would say forget the Aprilia. I own one and is my current race bike. I bought it when I was 18 and beleive me it scared the crap out of me the first time I rode it. It is a nice roomy bike and very large for its capacity, I actually remeber being pulled over and the police were going to do me for riding a larger bike then I was entiled to had to convince them it was only a 250. these have a very hard powerband that comes on at about 6000 rpm, you need to learn to be gentle when applying throttle. My race bike(production bike so needs to be road legal and pretty much kept factory) has high sided me braking my leg.
I know satinsfist suggested a RGV but same engine smaller frame.
These two bikes I would say are for someone with a bit of riding experience under their belt, if that is you go for it.

if not stick with a 4 stroke live the cbr250 these have good resale value also as they are a great learner bike IMO

Dave Hat posted a great line, its not a matter of IF but WHEN youll drop your bike. Im not saying your going to lay it down at a million miles an hour, but I will guarette you it will be a stupid way, like not puting your stand down or parking on grass and watching the stand sink into the ground or grabing the front brake traveling at 2km and having the bike just fall over.

for these resons a naked bike is not a bad idea

but ultimaly up to you. but my vote is honda CBR250

[xploit]

Thanks toddler :)

And yeah im aware i probably will drop it, ive had a little bit on bikes ie dirt but not much track/road riding only a little.. but ill probably still come off it at some point.

So maybe a naked isnt a bad idea, but i still really like the hyo 250R though :)

Thanks for the tips guys :)

Will look into everything and let you know what i come up with :)

Dave

[ATTNSEEKR]

how much is the fine over your way for riding a bike out of your riding class?

i know a mate only has his 250 licence, and has a 1000cc bike, he's been pulled up once and only got a fine for riding out of his 250cc class, i think it was only $100 or something, no points.

i agree with macca also, metal and 4 wheels thanks, 2 wheels are for off road where there's no dumb fuks to run into you.

good luck with the L's :thumbsup:

Poon

[chrism697]

how much is the fine over your way for riding a bike out of your riding class?

i know a mate only has his 250 licence, and has a 1000cc bike, he's been pulled up once and only got a fine for riding out of his 250cc class, i think it was only $100 or something, no points.

i agree with macca also, metal and 4 wheels thanks, 2 wheels are for off road where there's no dumb fuks to run into you.

good luck with the L's :thumbsup:

Poon
if your just in it to try and chase a rush my advise is buy a motocross bike. you can push the things hard and the consequences for messing up are not as extreme, much more likely to break bones, but hard pressed to kill yourself.

plus racing etc is much more accessible, cheaper and easier to get into.

anyway thats was just a thought

[Satansfist]

I'm not having a go or hanging sh!t but an RGV250 needs to be fed more revs and is far peakier than a CBR250RR..... If I've mis-read your post and you're stating that you would personally buy an RGV250 I apologise.
Like I said Satansfist, I'm not attacking your comment mate, just giving my opinion. :hide:


No problem dude, I'm not so worked up I tear into everyone who replies to a post I made.:)

As Road Warrior says I was talking more for myself, I am having a mid-life crisis and more and more keep looking at the bikes I used to lust after when I was a teenager, thus the reference to the RGV and KR1S. Used to own a Pepsi Replica RGV but when I got my third speeding ticket in a matter of a month I had to get rid of it or it'd be the license gone!

Honestly, I would recommend someone new to bikes stay away from the road altogether and learn their skills on the dirt before getting a road bike. But Dave seemed determined to go road only so that's the advice I gave him. As someone else said if it's the thrills he's looking for a 125 or 250 motox bike :eyes: will give 100% more fun and be much safer to boot. Or get a dual purpose bike and have the best of both worlds.

[Toddler78]

No problem dude, I'm not so worked up I tear
Honestly, I would recommend someone new to bikes stay away from the road altogether and learn their skills on the dirt before getting a road bike. But Dave seemed determined to go road only so that's the advice I gave him. As someone else said if it's the thrills he's looking for a 125 or 250 motox bike :eyes: will give 100% more fun and be much safer to boot. Or get a dual purpose bike and have the best of both worlds.

Mate, SPOT ON! I remember When I picked up my bike and rode it on the rode for the first time. I alread had 13years riding experience and 6years race experience and had my car licence for 2 years so knew, understood and aware of the road rules plus what other drivers do, but the first time I rode that bike down the road was a scary feeling, riding at 60km/h within a metre of a car and nothing around you. your mind is going a million miles an hour. I would hate to have done it if I had no or little riding experience and had only just got my licence and have not really experienced traffic.

[Road Warrior]

As Road Warrior says I was talking more for myself, I am having a mid-life crisis and more and more keep looking at the bikes I used to lust after when I was a teenager, thus the reference to the RGV and KR1S.

Well at least you're honest :lol:


Mate, SPOT ON! I remember When I picked up my bike and rode it on the rode for the first time. I alread had 13years riding experience and 6years race experience and had my car licence for 2 years so knew, understood and aware of the road rules plus what other drivers do, but the first time I rode that bike down the road was a scary feeling, riding at 60km/h within a metre of a car and nothing around you. your mind is going a million miles an hour. I would hate to have done it if I had no or little riding experience and had only just got my licence and have not really experienced traffic.

It's funny how things change though. Commuting on a bike every day has changed me and hardened me up to cagers. It's wierd how I sometimes feel scared or worried when I am commuting through certain heavy-traffic sections of the freeway in my car wheras on my bike I'm not fazed one bit, but the traffic is just as heavy.

[Satansfist]

Well at least you're honest :lol:....


Heheheheh, I believe in embracing the inevitable!:bawl:

[Cameron Frewer]

Hi,
Dont know if anyone has posted a similar reply, but have you considered seeing what your state rider restrictions are after July. Vic has a power to weight ratio which means that you can even have the Ducati Monster when on your L's Try your state roads aurthority.
Cheers and good luck
Cam

[SLugg]

I heard the Hyo 650 was learner legal , well here in SA i think it is...

[cbwolf]

Mate, if you're looking at Hyosungs why don't you just get the GT650RL?

It's learner legal under LAMS laws that Victoria will be adopting in 2 days time (1 July 2008).

I'm 6'1", 120kg and built like the proverbial and i used to ride a CBR250RR and it was indeed a bit of a squeeze and pretty peaky, but still great fun.

If i were looking to buy a bike on my learners, i'd definately go for the Hyo GT650RL. It's a V-Twin so it has heaps more torque then an I4 which is better for us heavier folk and it's also much much roomier then the little Jap 250's.

The pre-2006 models were prone for having faults, so if you can, look for a 2006/2007 model.

[zorro]

A mate has one of those Hyosungs and for a full size bike being legal to ride isnt too bad. I rode it a couple of times and for the money you pay and the hassel free (close 2yrs ownership he has had) not a bad bargain for a first bike.

Sure you dont have bragging rights over a more known brand BUT its about learning to ride safely and responsibly before stepping up to a better bike.

Most of my mates started with a 250cc (none wanted to run the gauntlet of bigger capacity and getting done) and the CBR250 was the bike of choice. I find em fun as I am only 175cm & 70kgs and coming from dirtbikes enfoy throwing them around. A mate has had a Honda VF400 for the past few months and has now upgraded to a CBR600RR, the 400 was great, pretty pokey and comfortable to ride. The 600 well goes without saying.

I can only say I have my license, I am not an everyday rider but years of dirtbikes only taught me how to ride not how to play with traffic. Be responsible and dont be a statistic and you will have more fun everytime you ride be it commuting to work or having a strap with mates.

AND MOST IMPORTANT - only ride to your skill/confidence levels, dont drop a bike for the sake of keeping up with the group or trying to impress people.

[SLugg]

A mate has one of those Hyosungs and for a full size bike being legal to ride isnt too bad. I rode it a couple of times and for the money you pay and the hassel free (close 2yrs ownership he has had) not a bad bargain for a first bike.

Sure you dont have bragging rights over a more known brand BUT its about learning to ride safely and responsibly before stepping up to a better bike.

Most of my mates started with a 250cc (none wanted to run the gauntlet of bigger capacity and getting done) and the CBR250 was the bike of choice. I find em fun as I am only 175cm & 70kgs and coming from dirtbikes enfoy throwing them around. A mate has had a Honda VF400 for the past few months and has now upgraded to a CBR600RR, the 400 was great, pretty pokey and comfortable to ride. The 600 well goes without saying.

I can only say I have my license, I am not an everyday rider but years of dirtbikes only taught me how to ride not how to play with traffic. Be responsible and dont be a statistic and you will have more fun everytime you ride be it commuting to work or having a strap with mates.

AND MOST IMPORTANT - only ride to your skill/confidence levels, dont drop a bike for the sake of keeping up with the group or trying to impress people.


Zorak_SS man that is almost the well thought out piece Ive seen on in here in a long time. Ive been riding bikes for hmmm have to think , 38 years and in that time Ive crashed (usually my fault) a few times , Ive been lucky a few times and Ive had the best time of my life a lot of times , If the only person you ever impress is yourself you wont go to far wrong. Ride the size bike you know you can manage and as you get stronger and more experienced youll enjoy the moves up the sizes.

If you want speed go to the track , road racing , drag racing , moto-x hill climb trials speedway that will impress people.
But by the same token there is also nothing wrong with a spirited ride on along some good hills roads ,
just remember this from some who is a rider , and will be to either it or old age kills me.

When you chuck your bike at a car or the ground its sometimes your skin and bones and sometimes your life , and it really dosnt matter on a bike who was
at fault because it hurts either way.

and not just for you.

SLugg (for SLOw and UGGly)
steps slowly and in an uggly fashion from his soap box.
:soap: