difference between VZ and VE engine ?

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28-09-2009, 09:50 AM
aussie_1968

difference between VZ and VE engine ?

hi,

i have been told that you can not use parts of a VE series on an engine for a VZ.
what is the difference and how do i find out which engine i have got ?

i bought it as a L76 6.0L create.

cheers
Martin
28-09-2009, 10:35 AM
GMMAD

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

L76 and L98 are the same motor
some of the last VZ utes had the L98 fitted
L76 has the DOD lifters fitter for AFM
L98 has a bigger sump and no DOD gear
the new VE's with AFM use the L76
28-09-2009, 11:06 AM
VYSHSV8

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMMAD

L76 and L98 are the same motor
some of the last VZ utes had the L98 fitted
L76 has the DOD lifters fitter for AFM
L98 has a bigger sump and no DOD gear
the new VE's with AFM use the L76

Correct
AFM is only on the Autos in the Ve range
28-09-2009, 11:11 AM
Vulture

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Isn't there something to do with reluctor wheel differences as well?
28-09-2009, 11:17 AM
VYSHSV8

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulture

Isn't there something to do with reluctor wheel differences as well?

From memeory without checking bothe the L76 and L98 have the same reluctor wheels/ might be wrong , the ls1 has a different reluctor wheel 48tooth for L76and L98 and 24tooth Ls1/Ls2 somthing along those lines
28-09-2009, 04:01 PM
macca_779

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

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Originally Posted by Vulture

Isn't there something to do with reluctor wheel differences as well?

No that is only different between vz and ve ls2's. Not l76/l98
29-09-2009, 08:04 AM
gmh308

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie_1968

hi,

i have been told that you can not use parts of a VE series on an engine for a VZ.
what is the difference and how do i find out which engine i have got ?

i bought it as a L76 6.0L create.

cheers
Martin

There is another good thread on here that has pics of how to identify the L76. Basically it comes down to the DOD/AFM socket at the rear of the intake on the valley cover, slightly different PCV connections.

If its a VZ L76 it will have a front sump oil pan. VE's have a large rear sump pan. VZ L98's also had the front sump pan.

Also the VE engines have the shallow lower profile front accessory drive system a-la Corvette.

What do you want to swap?
30-09-2009, 08:03 PM
adamRSLC

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Martin , A mate also picked up a create L76 ( VZ front sump version )and it has been stripped to check a few things and we noticed that its missing all of the DOD hardware and the valley plate isnt the DOD version more like the L98 one ?.

Not sure if the create engines are different again to what ended up inthe VZ cars. But im sure someone else on here knows .

adam
30-09-2009, 09:27 PM
SirNemesis

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamRSLC

Martin , A mate also picked up a create L76 ( VZ front sump version )and it has been stripped to check a few things and we noticed that its missing all of the DOD hardware and the valley plate isnt the DOD version more like the L98 one ?.

Not sure if the create engines are different again to what ended up inthe VZ cars. But im sure someone else on here knows .

adam

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
01-10-2009, 07:56 AM
gmh308

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamRSLC

Martin , A mate also picked up a create L76 ( VZ front sump version )and it has been stripped to check a few things and we noticed that its missing all of the DOD hardware and the valley plate isnt the DOD version more like the L98 one ?.

Not sure if the create engines are different again to what ended up inthe VZ cars. But im sure someone else on here knows .

adam

Front sump L98's were used on late VZ once the VE was released. Ute's and possibly also wagons.

(in this case there is a couple different ducks that dont quite quack the same :) )
02-10-2009, 07:47 PM
planetdavo

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

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Originally Posted by SirNemesis

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

It can still be a goose. :teach:
You should come and have a look through EPC4 one day. The amount of parts that can change through an identical looking model range can be a big shock to the uninitiated...
02-10-2009, 07:54 PM
SirNemesis

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Happy for you to show me an example of a factory standard L76 without an L76 valley plate...
04-11-2009, 10:33 AM
aussie_1968

solved: Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmh308

There is another good thread on here that has pics of how to identify the L76. Basically it comes down to the DOD/AFM socket at the rear of the intake on the valley cover, slightly different PCV connections.

If its a VZ L76 it will have a front sump oil pan. VE's have a large rear sump pan. VZ L98's also had the front sump pan.

@gmh308
i could not find the other thread, but my sump (boulge) is at the front of the engine, so it must be a VZ.

>What do you want to swap?
i have a kit car, which used to have an old 350 cast block and i need more power and less weight. with the cast iron block it weight just under 1T.

thanks to everyone for sorting this out !!
04-11-2009, 02:23 PM
ATOMIC MALOO R8

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VYSHSV8

From memeory without checking bothe the L76 and L98 have the same reluctor wheels/ might be wrong , the ls1 has a different reluctor wheel 48tooth for L76and L98 and 24tooth Ls1/Ls2 somthing along those lines

and 58 tooth for ve 6lt /hsvls3
04-11-2009, 03:57 PM
gmh308

Re: difference between VZ and VE engine ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VYSHSV8

From memeory without checking bothe the L76 and L98 have the same reluctor wheels/ might be wrong , the ls1 has a different reluctor wheel 48tooth for L76and L98 and 24tooth Ls1/Ls2 somthing along those lines

Yeah the L76 & L98, plus LS3, LS7, and VE LS2's have the same 58X reluctor wheel. The 58X came in from model year 06 when tighter Euro III or (similar in US) emissions standards for cars came in, Jan 1 06 in Oz.

24X is all LS1 and VZ LS2's (rumoured to be some VZ 58X LS2's but never seen any in the flesh, and GM's parts system does not show them up either).

The 24X is actually two 24X wheels welded together and one tooth out of phase, so maybe this is where the 48X idea comes from. :)