I am still laughing too!Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
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I am still laughing too!Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
To some perhaps- the type that love all sorts of conspiracy theories, yet have no intention of ever proving they are right. Funny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
Car enthusiast types are often biased toward their favourites- and that's before we even mention internet forums. :)
The irony almost hurts......Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Are you saying, as the moderator of a Holden public forum, that you don't believe the R8 deserved to win this comparison, and that the media is biased in giving this result?Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
I was referring to you paying out on people for having no intention of ever proving they are right.....Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
On the subject of the comparison. I've NEVER made a decision based on a car comparison, so it's neither here nor there for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
I reckon I explain my reasoning far more than just about anyone on here. People don't like what I say on here sometimes? Their problem. At least I explain where I'm coming from. I don't care about winning forum popularity contests or kissing people's butts. Call me an adult.Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
I've even said sorry in the past for getting something wrong...:stick:
Forums ain't where most new car buyers populate. Most forum types buy used cars and tend to modify them. Most "regular" buyers leave them pretty much alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
I don't really care that much that the HSV won to be honest. It's a story I read when I was having a dump. But, it did win that comparison, and I've been telling people for a while why the HSV's continue to "win".
Some people on here just have trouble accepting reality.
Hmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Lost on 0-100.
Lost on 0-400m.
Lost on 80-120klm.
Lost on track time.
Won (inexplicably) a mag comparison.
Reality! ROFLMAO!
Many members on here have bought multiple new cars.
I'll clarify a couple of things- just so it's easier for people to understand where I was coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
YES, they do have a "vested interest"- to sell more copies. So, the actual mix of stories is geared toward maximising monthly sales. As all media do.
BUT, suggesting they actually dummy up the results of the chosen comparisons to appease their audience is borderline slanderous. It's also a very good way to ensure the manufacturer that has been deliberately boned won't ever give you more cars in the future...making it slightly difficult to test competing models in future editions, not to mention losing advertising revenue.
No manufacturer will always win. There are golden periods from time to time. Most people grasp the concept.
Do you have the whole story right next to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
I do. Perhaps you'd like to type up all the bits you've left out. :)
And yes, SOME people on here buy new cars. A few percent of them even leave them standard like the rest of the buyers out there usually do...:lol:
Saying they have vested interests is a long way away from claiming they falsify results..... Is that what you're suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Haven't seen the article, please post it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Was referring to multiple test, past and present.
I haven't got all night to type it up, but I'll slip in a few bits to give you an idea why FPV wasn't judged the winner...Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
The ride is too hard for daily use- When you're not in max-attack mode, the loss of ride compliance begins to grate. The firmness of the rear needs to be recognised and treated with caustion when cornering on anything but smooth tarmac. Striking a mid corner bump with either the outside loaded, or unladen rear tyre has the big Falcon skipping sideways, And at 1855kg, that's a lot of Falcon to catch. The suspension changes make the R-Spec's steering keener, but it still can't match the fluid feedback from the HSV's steering.
Don't get me wrong, the R-Spec is a devastatingly fast car and can cover ground at lock-me-up speeds. But it lacks any sort of precision or finesse and feels old school and aftermarket....But the brash FPV makes me wonder whether either the Aussie car enthusiast or Aussie hotshop has moved on since the days of flares, panel vans and the Hardie Ferodo 500.
The Clubsport, the least powerful and slowest car here in a straight line, remains the most engaging on a twisty road- and I'd wager would not give away much, if anything, to the R-Spec on the track.
It (the HSV) sounds 50kW stronger than it's 325kW output and it's crisp throttle response cannot be matched by the Chrysler and FPV.
(The FPV) has questionable ergonomics (poor driving position).
So, the HSV wins, by being fast enough, and because it's got a proper, playful chassis; a virtue that the improved R-Spec still lacks.
That is just a few bits and pieces. You are welcome to go read a full copy somewhere to confirm the above and anything else written if you want.
I said earlier that you only focus on a very small number of criteria- hence why you don't understand the result. You have to look at the whole "package" to see why the HSV was given the nod- "package" being a dirty word some don't seem to understand...
You have no idea what I do and do not understand. You can be as condescending as you like, fact remains that you get your info from reading magazines in the toilet.