FPV's 351kw GT-F more powerful than HSV's 430kw GTS, How did this happen?

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't HSV's figures come out first? I mean how had is it to beat a power figure when the other has already laid the cards on the table? HSV could simply make a few tweaks and go for more kw's. Ford had a figure to beat and it did and I reckon it is great that they still feel a need to compete as we will ultimately be the winners.

Yes, but one claims 430fwkw and the other claims 351fwkw....
For someone who knows nothing about these cars, HSV would have you believe that their product slaughters the FPV in outright power, yet in actual fact it does it less than 10% of the time. That's were the humour is this story comes in. And once again I reiterate, the GTS is still a far better car IMO.....

remember its 5 litres vs 6.2

Someone is doing it better.............if its close

I like the torque figures on the GTS:popcorn:

Me to....

If only the badge put on the back represented torque figures and not kw figures, order would be restored......

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Originally Posted by Spooner8

Me to....

If only the badge put on the back represented torque figures and not kw figures, order would be restored......

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You do realise power is just torque and rpm

Your point?

The Ford incorrectly states it's power figures. Wonder if they could be sued in the event of an accident for the deception?

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Originally Posted by Drizt

The Ford incorrectly states it's power figures. Wonder if they could be sued in the event of an accident for the deception?

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Surely your joking? FPV are taking honesty to the extreme saying that regardless of the conditions, you will always make a minimum of 351fwkw and the potential of up to 15% extra (404fwkw.) That's honesty at it best.

Deception is promising something and then not delivering to that promised level. It's a contentious point that would spark a lot of debate on whether HSV has done that or not.....

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Originally Posted by Spooner8

Correct me if I am wrong, but out of the 10 odd dyno runs that were done by the GT F, it's power number was only bettered by the GTS on one occasion and that was while they were trying to get the GT F up to normal operating temperature.
Fact remains, HSV has been claiming they make the most powerful car ever built in Australia, and that has just been proven factually incorrect. It doesn't matter if it is quicker down the strip, has a better interior, has a stronger diff, or goes around a corner faster. That has nothing to do with the statement of The most powerful car ever built in Australia

I find it hilarious that people don't tip their hat in respect to the GTF and say well played Ford, cause they have really pulled HSV's pants down on this one. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I would take the GTS in a heartbeat over the GTF cause it is just a better all round car, however, when it come to the numbers (and let's face it, we hold that in high regard in Australia) then I say round one goes to you FPV.

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At the end of the day if Ford advertise as 351KW then YES GTS is still most powerful car in Australia. Unless of course you wish to dyno everycar that comes off the assembly line. There can be significant variances on every car and have had all sorts of stories over the years about having a good one or a bad one. If Ford had any sense or confidence they would have advertised it as more power than the GTS.

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Originally Posted by SV805

At the end of the day if Ford advertise as 351KW then YES GTS is still most powerful car in Australia. Unless of course you wish to dyno everycar that comes off the assembly line. There can be significant variances on every car and have had all sorts of stories over the years about having a good one or a bad one. If Ford had any sense or confidence they would have advertised it as more power than the GTS.

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Next off Toyota will be sticking 440kw badges on the back of there camry's and telling everyone they have Australia's most powerful car.
No need for a dyno test guys, trust us, the 4cyl n/a engine really performs with this new k&n filter we put in...... Lol

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Originally Posted by mattnsw

You have a FPV FG GS Supercharged Ute in your garage next to the R8 with your history of dissing the Ford product?
I recall you saying not long ago when commenting about the new GTF “you can only polish a turd so much”.
You might be speaking from experience but being so insulting about a brand you have in your garage is beyond belief in my books. :weirdo:

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The FPV was cheaper, had a better tie down system and fits the job for what I want. It is a fantastic engine and a brilliant ZF auto. The fact remain that anything more than 8/10th's driving the HSV/Holden is the better drive. It's no insult I'm merely stating facts. I love the sheer power of the ute but like I said earlier when it comes to true driving pleasure I pick the HSV every time.

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Originally Posted by Spooner8

Correct me if I am wrong, but out of the 10 odd dyno runs that were done by the GT F, it's power number was only bettered by the GTS on one occasion and that was while they were trying to get the GT F up to normal operating temperature.
Fact remains, HSV has been claiming they make the most powerful car ever built in Australia, and that has just been proven factually incorrect. It doesn't matter if it is quicker down the strip, has a better interior, has a stronger diff, or goes around a corner faster. That has nothing to do with the statement of The most powerful car ever built in Australia

I find it hilarious that people don't tip their hat in respect to the GTF and say well played Ford, cause they have really pulled HSV's pants down on this one. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I would take the GTS in a heartbeat over the GTF cause it is just a better all round car, however, when it come to the numbers (and let's face it, we hold that in high regard in Australia) then I say round one goes to you FPV.

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About time someone else around here tipped their hat to the GT. And I 100% agree with everything you've said here and in your next few posts. Well said.

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Originally Posted by Plenty

The FPV was cheaper, had a better tie down system and fits the job for what I want. It is a fantastic engine and a brilliant ZF auto. The fact remain that anything more than 8/10th's driving the HSV/Holden is the better drive. It's no insult I'm merely stating facts. I love the sheer power of the ute but like I said earlier when it comes to true driving pleasure I pick the HSV every time.

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You really are the ultimate hack mate. One second your trying to get credit for simply owning a GT and a r8 saying you take the ford when you want to go racing.....then you state the holdens the better product for anything more then 8tenths driving!!!wow so you drive your drag cars at only 8/10ths and your road cars at 9 or 10/10ths. Well done for showing you just waffle along paying zero respect to the enemy ever. As mentioned all you ever do is bag the opposition. You probably only have the ford so you don't get reemed on resale....or you stole it :|

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Originally Posted by Spooner8

minimum of 351fwkw

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where does it say minimum?

Take the old GT for instance...

http://www.fpv.com.au/gt_showroom/gt

"Maximum power (DIN) – 335kW @ 5750rpm Maximum torque (DIN) – 570Nm @ 2200-5500rpm"

Clearly a lie.