Supercharged HSV? - Part 4

Took it for a quick squirt this arvo.... done a full 100km now :driving:

is 40 litres per 100km a good average :stick::stick:

only one complaint if you can call it that.... I seem to have to keep adjusting the seat forward........................................... ................................ because I keep getting pushed back in it and struggle to get my left foot to the foot "rest" on the left.... no jokes... struggling to find a good seat position.... I reckon when I hit Wakefield I will just bring the seat forward about an inch and wait & see what happens






ps the Torque Vectoring works :up2sum::up2sum:

Sounds promising so far then - keen to check this thing out :)

lol at Canberra drivers - I think I have almost been wiped out more times in my bright yellow HSV than I did when I had my black one, a sign its getting worst?

Yeah I just about got cleaned up in my 4x4 day b4 I traded it, when it rained a bit on Wed....bloke in front of me did a 180 going around a roundabout and started driving back towards me... Cause he didn't think to keep the foot on the stop pedal..... Not bad:werd:

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Originally Posted by XUV

Oh the humanity ........... but it's good to know you're safe ;)
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I hope that didnt have all the fruit under the bonet ,what a waste.

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Originally Posted by sportwagon

I hope that didnt have all the fruit under the bonet ,what a waste.

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Unfortunately it has to, to pass the test.....

Scary yet comforting at the same time!

Hey man watch this video on car bras this guy talking about it is considered one of the best detailers getting round

http://youtu.be/c5vPbwez1kk

nice find... tell you what I would not have the patience to do that, I struggle to do it on my damn iphone :)

Love AMMO vids. Larry seems to know his stuff. Check out the black 911 GT3 detail as the car has a "clear bra" and is used for track/ fast street.

Mick

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Originally Posted by GTS LSA

Here goes, haven't done this in a long time :)

its not detailed & just got it back from getting the 3M done, so you will notice a few bubbles etc, but I had to put the Paint protection & tint back to Friday to let the 3M settle... anyway I love it :love: :up2sum:....
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One for the older age bracket :hide:
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LSA....A GREAT rear window sticker......Gotta remember "THE MAN", who would absolutely LOVE this car. I can see him doing some ballistic (or as Peter would have said "Having a red hot go!)driving in one of these in a Targa event etc.....How good would it be to see that?
Cheers, Pickles.

GTS LSA - looks awesome mate, the blue has really grown on me. I look forward to seeing more of these on the roads in canberra!

That blue is really growing on me but only in certain models and in 5he gts im surprised how well it works. If anyonr is ever after extra detailing tips for your personal cars def watch all the vids by ammo nyc his work is amazing. Bit of my go to guy as I love detailing cars and if I ever have something I havent seen before this guy generally has the answers he is now thr offical bugatti detailer in America. Sorry to go off topic.

They really need bigger wheels. Be great if you could fit a set 305 tyres on the rear.

Bigger or just wider? The tyres (particularly the rear) are in shadow in those shots. All I have to say is more pics please!

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Originally Posted by mjrandom

Bigger or just wider? The tyres (particularly the rear) are in shadow in those shots. All I have to say is more pics please!

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I reckon just wider I dont like going bigger than 20inch because of the lack of decent tyres

Hard to say with rears, 275's are not small.... Wonder if there would be any real world benefit of going wider..... They would be massively expensive, and the car drives exceptionally well as is

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Originally Posted by GTS LSA

Hard to say with rears, 275's are not small.... Wonder if there would be any real world benefit of going wider..... They would be massively expensive, and the car drives exceptionally well as is

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You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

I was mainly thinking of the stance more than anything just a thought experiment plus recalibrated traction control with a modded engine of 500kw or so and 305 tyres would allow the traction control to stay off for longer. Like with 900nm+ of torque you get wheel spin in 3rd and 4th gear and that ultimately limits power to the ground.

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Originally Posted by Pickles

You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

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Yep agreed.... Can't say any more really!! Except throttle control..to improve speed... Instead of plant it and hope

The GTS has excellent traction. Not sure if it is the Continentals or the rear set up or a bit of both.

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Yep agreed.... Can't say any more really!! Except throttle control..to improve speed... Instead of plant it and hope

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Its interesting that holden has gone to 275s on the rears of the redline. Is 275 the sweet spot in terms of traction and cost? I suppose the 255s on the front of the gen-fs would help steering

I think you'll find 275 is the largest that allows sufficient "factory clearances". Exactly the reason HSV didn't go bigger tyres on pre-VE

anyone else think James Courney's car looks lower then standard? maybe a special request from HSV.
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Hard to say with all the shadow... But wouldn't surprise me if he had any goodies he wants, so more than likely correct

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Originally Posted by GTS LSA

Hard to say with all the shadow... But wouldn't surprise me if he had any goodies he wants, so more than likely correct

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That was my thinking and a positive for you guys, as it must be a positive thing , be interesting to see if he went any bigger tyre or rim wise .

Coz I doubt HSV would do anything negative to a V8Supercar drivers car.

Tekno Performance have released two sets of lowered springs for VF GTS already (375mm HTG and 355mm HTG) and have a "V-Band clamp exhaust system with factory EDI controlled bi-modal mufflers". That's just on their Facebook page.

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Hope the pics work.

They do and certainly nice pics ;)

I had a look at a VF HSV in the flesh a few weeks ago and noticed the gap between the tire and wheel arch are smaller than the VE gaps giving u the impression it's lowered. From memory the VF runs a higher profile tire than the VE, so it shrinks the gap between the tire and arch or maybe they are in fact slightly lower from factory? It's got to be one or the other.

The fronts are only 6mm larger diameter though the rears are 26mm taller. I think GenFs sit lower as well.

GTSLSA blue is the go but it needs wheels. I suggest the forgeline but colour for the blue is interesting it could be gold because gold goes with blue cars but thats to outrageous so i reckon gun metal or bronze in 20x10 and 20x9

I am going to keep it 100% stock and I like the GTS wheels... I have been down the high mod road both with my old GTO and my ex EVO IX.... In the long run I have ended up regretting it both times... But that's just me, I am over modding cars. Not to say that anyone else should not do what ever they want.... What ever makes you happy

I agree mate it is a waste of money really but when i look back its good to have done these things to me its like flying an f18 or an old spitfire the average guy can never do that but in a way our little cars are similar it gives a bit of enjoyment.

GTSLSA: you're not even going to tune it for a bit more potential?

I can see why you'd keep it stock otherwise though.

My goal when decided to buy was keep it stock, and keep it for a decent amount of time... Unless HSV bring out some super weapon as the last of the V8's/ RWD... But who knows what the future will bring.
May do a tune but I don't want to change bimodal air or exhaust, so not sure if would be much benefit???

And it's go's like a cut cat as is ;)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

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It makes you wonder why AMG put wider rims and tyres on their more expensive models.

It is simply to keep the cost down for the owners of the entry level models.

All motoring journalists and professional drivers talk of the C63 being under tyred in a straight line and whilst cornering, something that was corrected by putting wider shoes on the Black Series.

It's off topic but the AMG 63 has the same rears as a C250 when you option 18's.
the reason they don't go wider is clearence - I have put unique self tensioning snow chains on the wife's estate and I can tell you that wider rubber isn't an option as they are extremely tight.

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The fronts are only 6mm larger diameter though the rears are 26mm taller. I think GenFs sit lower as well.

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When I was talking to the guys at HSV re GTS build, they mentioned the fitting of the transmission, which sits lower under the car, because of clearance issues, therefore the transmission ground clearance was lower than desired. I'm fairly sure that I was told that it was for this reason that higher profile tryres were fitted on the rear....to increase ground clearance?
Cheers, Pickles.

^ makes sense

Saw my first wild unchartered GTS on the road this morning. Silver with standard wheels and wing. I cannot recall seeing another GenF HSV on the road (other than Simon's GTS). Naturally I was in the ute today transporting stuff so apart from excellent fuel consumption I had nothing!

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It's off topic but the AMG 63 has the same rears as a C250 when you option 18's.
the reason they don't go wider is clearence - I have put unique self tensioning snow chains on the wife's estate and I can tell you that wider rubber isn't an option as they are extremely tight.

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When I was recently checking out the new GTS I thought it looked good straight out of the box but it was a tad too high in my opinion.

Possibly off subject but I’m a big fan of rims and tyres that fill the guards on all vehicles.
I just love the look and would be happy to put aftermarket rims on the GTS to achieve it but those who don’t like it, well each to their own.

I’m also one of those that would look at lowering it.


In regard to the C63, one reason that limits its rim width is because the cost of changing the rear of the standard C Class body shell to accommodate massive rubber was considered outside Mercedes/AMG’s brief to deliver a cheaper 6.2 litre AMG to the masses.

It should be noted though that the C63 has a wider track than the standard C Class and customers who put the actual genuine C63 rims on a C Class (as opposed to AMG accessory optional rims) will in most cases add wheel spaces to bring the rim lip out further to the guard as they tuck in too much on the standard car.

In saying that the MB forums are full of cars with wider rims and tyres on C63’s as correct offsets are the most important factor.

I’ve seen a billion cars with 265 and 275 tyres on 9 and 10 inch rims without any issues (standard width on the rear being 255). I’ve also seen 305 where the owner swears no modifications other than guard rolling was required.

I personally struggle to believe it as I have 20x10 inch rims with 285/25 rubber on the back of mine with the car lowered as far as it can go with this size and I needed to roll the guards to make it happen. I have no rubbing.
(The guard lip with on a C63 is only 5mm, which is much narrower than that of a Commodore, rolling something that narrow frightens a lot of people.)

The C63 could definitely use some wider rubber as the handling difference on mine at turn in and exit s@#ts all over the stock rim tyre configuration.

Mine lowered with coilovers.
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Mine at stock height on the standard rims
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A C63 AMG Black Series with aftermarket rims
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I’m sure a GTS will look just as good if it was lowered on a big fat set of tyres.

When I get mine I’ll post up some photos and hopefully prove it.


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