Does HSV understand its Market? - Part 2

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Originally Posted by XSNRGY

Macca 779 QUOTE Your starting to turn me off HSV by illustrating that clown having an influence in them QUOTE
Who are you calling a clown....you Muppet!!!!!!!!

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It would help matters if you learned how to use the QUOTE function properly since every single post you make relies on it
Your posts are too difficult to read! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

It would help matters if you learned how to use the QUOTE function properly since every single post you make relies on it
Your posts are too difficult to read! :lol:

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Agree, wtf, maybe he could also try to use multiquote too....
Almost a whole page of his almost unreadable posts..

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Originally Posted by XSNRGY

Are you for real?
A mate of mine bought a new VE Maloo.
Likes making smoke signals whenever he can.
Damn near popped a tyre so went to buy some.
That will be NZ$2000 please...you what?
He ended up buying two Chinas for around $400.
Then HSV turn around and say, sorry you have just voided your warranty by fitting these cheapies.
He told them to go stick their warranty.
Theres another area of concern with HSV as soon as you "modify it" say good bye to your warranty.
I dont consider cheap tyres, a CAI or a decent exhaust system to be a case for voiding the warranty other than the fact HSV probably have shares in Mobil and what ever tyre company they are using on the day.
And when it comes to tyres of the size on our cars there are no low quality types out there any more as they are all rated and classified, alot of tyres are even a straight copy only given a unknown name to sell them cheap.

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What part of his warranty was dishonoured due to fitting crap tyres?
I dare say his abuse of his ride would void the warranty well before fitting Chinese tyres.

Every car company will try and burn you with warranty.
They kiss your ass when selling you a car - thats how they make money
They play as hard to get as possible when they have to fix it - thats how they make money
Feeling some kind of love or loyalty to any car manufacturer is a joke and up there with religious cultism - all they want is your money to show the shareholders, and if they have to give you a happy ending on the undertable tag when it comes to signing the contract they will. Other than that you are referred to as a 'head' or a 'sucker' there to be squeezed for every cent. This is the part of their market they ALL understand superbly. Sorry if I have ruined anyones romantic dream of being the voice that makes the difference in this post.

My 2c is all of the pricks should give us MORE product for LESS money - and if they dont - then take your love somewhere else (buy a pet Alpaca or something), as car companies sure dont love you back. Ride them like dirtbikes and dispose of them at will. It doesn't matter which brand the car is - YOU are the boss :teach:

To give you a good example -
Subaru WRX in 1994 - $39,990
Subaru WRX in 2012 - $39,990

Now see what has happened to the prices of our local cars.....

you cant use the quote link if the thread has been discontinued and new thread started :) thats why he has done it that way

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

It would help matters if you learned how to use the QUOTE function properly since every single post you make relies on it
Your posts are too difficult to read! :lol:

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Originally Posted by VYSHSV8

you cant use the quote link if the thread has been discontinued and new thread started :) thats why he has done it that way

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I was thinking the quote function must have gone awry since the thread went to Part 2. :doh: My apologies to XSNRGY.

FWIW even though I've never been well off enough to afford a HSV and the only possibility for me doing so is an inheritance from the sale of my parents' house whenever they cark it (hopefully I'll still be capable of driving then!) but I've found it a very interesting read, particularly with some of the insider insights into HSV. Having met and been helped by Graeme all I can say is congratulations on where all your hard work has got you and on your awesome collection of cars!! :thumbsup: I hope to be able to get over there one day to see them in person.

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

Every car company will try and burn you with warranty.
They kiss your ass when selling you a car - thats how they make money
They play as hard to get as possible when they have to fix it - thats how they make money
Feeling some kind of love or loyalty to any car manufacturer is a joke and up there with religious cultism - all they want is your money to show the shareholders, and if they have to give you a happy ending on the undertable tag when it comes to signing the contract they will. Other than that you are referred to as a 'head' or a 'sucker' there to be squeezed for every cent. This is the part of their market they ALL understand superbly. Sorry if I have ruined anyones romantic dream of being the voice that makes the difference in this post.

My 2c is all of the pricks should give us MORE product for LESS money - and if they dont - then take your love somewhere else (buy a pet Alpaca or something), as car companies sure dont love you back. Ride them like dirtbikes and dispose of them at will. It doesn't matter which brand the car is - YOU are the boss :teach:

To give you a good example -
Subaru WRX in 1994 - $39,990
Subaru WRX in 2012 - $39,990

Now see what has happened to the prices of our local cars.....

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Bloody hell old fella, frustrated much?

May i suggest a little lie down or a hug (i am not offering) or even a shower with a bar of soap (on a rope).

Same could be said for the aftermarket, or for any business for that matter.

When any business looses the ability to recognise that the customer is the priority they will inevitably fail. ALL businesses are in it to turn a profit, but when they forget that it is the customer that makes that happen and when they make their needs more important than the customers they soon see hard times.

Yes HSV need to make money. Yes they need to be viable etc etc. They are very fortunate that there is still this level of passion for the brand. I just hope that they realise that the passion will inevitably wither away if they dont react to what the market is telling them.

And before the likes of PD etc jump on board and say that they sell heaps and make money etc, let me remind you of the fact that they have many hundreds of unsold cars and the dealers are getting jack of it.

Oh, and for those that want to have a go at people commenting without having owned one (the aspiring owner is as important as the multiple buyer) i have my name on the wall and now have thrown my money the oppositions way (that is FPV not Audi).

HSV do read this stuff. And the true enthusiasts in at HSV agree with most of it. They are a great bunch of blokes and i have no doubt they want the best for the brand. Some just need to remember what made the brand so successful. They will find out the hard way that if they dont make that connection again as there will be fewer people (this is already happening) getting "happy endings under the table".

I really dont understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

It doesn't matter which brand the car is - YOU are the boss :teach:

To give you a good example -
Subaru WRX in 1994 - $39,990
Subaru WRX in 2012 - $39,990

Now see what has happened to the prices of our local cars.....

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Have no fear Martin . . . the day of reckoning is coming . . . fast . . . HSV are only just starting to realise who the Boss is . . . xmas 2011 was the first year in 20 years Dad didnt buy himself a toy from HSV for Xmas . . . he still bought himself a toy . . . .its a sign of a reality check when they cant get him over the line!!!

You know as wel as me Martin that he will have one of the 25th Anniv Shitters . . . he won't be able to help himself . . . .but apart from the "Extra Special" variants that come from Clayton . . . he may well be done with HSV . . . but I doubt it!!!! . . . there is just so much more good stuff around at good money these days from other brands that he is now looking elsewhere. . . . this would have never happened in Crenno's day . . .

Crenno once said . . . Ford will never have a better number (Read KW) on their cars than a HSV . . . . and on his watch he made sure of it . . . but as we know . . . its not just about the number . . . BUT FARK ME . . . the number has something to do with it . . . . GM dont sell the CTSV with the LSA (its good value too) cos the market MIGHT need it . . . it does cos the market needs it . . . this thread would not exist if the LSA was in the HSV Brochure . . . . and if those fools that think the LSA is out of the $$$$ reach of GM in OZ . . . their dreaming . . . . Fark me . . if FPV owner Prodrive (who know how to make money) can go out on their own and source a Charger and pay for all the tooling with HARROP . . . we can have one from the US in a container

. . . and when stallwarts like Dad and Pickles start to stray . . . .that's another facet of the market they need to address

The buyer demographics are widening and Brands must understand this . . . as I have said previously . . . tunnell vision will not work in todays marketplace

In 2011/2012, it will take very clever people with very good products to get our money . . . complacancy by ANY manufacturer in any Industry will spell . . . err . . . tough times!!!

pfft..i lmao when people say that sh!t....goodluck trying to keep up in an SS.... a GXP is/was be far the best car for under $50k vs holden.

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Originally Posted by XSNRGY

redvxr8clubby QUOTE Bear in mind HSV did dable with its Redline equivalent with the GXP, opinion on here seemed to be that they didn't sell very, so presumably Holden and HSV have decided HSV 's marketplace is above that level. I understand what you mean with the style of the E2 and E3, not really my cup of tea. I've never been that keen on the bonnet scoops on these and the G8 SS's, or even the Monaros with bonnet scoops. I think an 08 Clubby is the pick for a fairly new Clubbsport, but it do like a black VE Senator QUOTE

You are kidding right?
The best thing HSV did was to visually differentiate the Holden from the HSV with the scoops.
Hell I wish HSV had got the bonnet bulge before Ford did, it looks like you mean buisness.
The worst attempt HSV made was the VZ.
When it was coming toward you it looked like any other Holden on the road.
It wasnt until it passed you that the back end looked a little different.
Now they VY on the other hand could be seen miles away.

And dont talk to me about that rubbish GXP, if you cant own a new HSV then buy a Holden.
I think that was HSV's worst barrel scraping ever.

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Originally Posted by bouka

Bloody hell old fella, frustrated much?

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Not at all
In fact HSV/Holden have given me the best warranty experience of any of the cars on our fleet.
Going backwards through all the cars in the garage, the saying 'The more you pay for the car, the worse they treat you' holds very true.
Notably Hyundai and to a degree Mitsubishi currently provide the best warranty experience for us.
One particular German brand was extremely difficult to deal with IME. The Italians? wow....just wow.

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Originally Posted by nailit

. . . and when stalwarts like Dad and Pickles start to stray . . . .that's another facet of the market they need to address

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On the surface that statement seems to say much about the current direction of HSV. :(

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Originally Posted by HDT-EFI

pfft..i lmao when people say that sh!t....goodluck trying to keep up in an SS.... a GXP is/was be far the best car for under $50k vs holden.

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I have to agree! If I could have afforded one I would have been in a GXP like a shot, though not so much for the HSV name because as I've discovered with various HSV bits on my car the HSV name seems to triple (or more! :shock:) the price of parts for it, but for the 6.2 litre motor! :drool:

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Originally Posted by bouka

HSV do read this stuff. And the true enthusiasts in at HSV agree with most of it. They are a great bunch of blokes and i have no doubt they want the best for the brand. Some just need to remember what made the brand so successful. They will find out the hard way that if they dont make that connection again as there will be fewer people (this is already happening) getting "happy endings under the table".

I really dont understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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Like all Great things, in time they become compromised by money. Think that was Martin's point.

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Originally Posted by Mick1

Like all Great things, in time they become compromised by money. Think that was Martin's point.

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Agree with your first statement.

I got Martins point but was having a dig (in jest). I happen to have a fair bit of respect for the man.

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Originally Posted by bouka

HSV do read this stuff.

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If you read this HSV, please ask Holden to bring the release of VF forward to ASAP!!

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Originally Posted by steve_t

If you read this HSV, please ask Holden to bring the release of VF forward to ASAP!!

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No one wants (needs) this more than HSV.