Vic/NSW Rego

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Originally Posted by GTSLOVER

Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it

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You would think that the 'border town' HWP folk would have a reasonable idea of the success rate of such TINs before the local magistrate? Working in Albury, they would see this thing everyday and once one was thrown out, don't you think the magistrate would go ballistic if he/she kept seeing these matters before the court?

If it is the case that you have a car registered in any state and live in another, then the price of some NSW registered used cars will drop in the ass for sure. Reason being, some cars can never be registered in NSW yet easily get registered in other states, meaning the price of certain cars WITH NSW rego is traditionally so much more!

I face this issue everyday when looking at my wishlist.

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Originally Posted by HSVREDSLED

You would think that the 'border town' HWP folk would have a reasonable idea of the success rate of such TINs before the local magistrate? Working in Albury, they would see this thing everyday and once one was thrown out, don't you think the magistrate would go ballistic if he/she kept seeing these matters before the court?

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Half of the time these stuff ups dont see the magistrate. More often than not the matter will be dropped on the morning of the hearing or not even make it past the first mention date as the prosecutor will decide not to pursue the matter past a mention date or not to take the matter to hearing and risk costs being awarded against the Police. You would think local HWP would know but as I said the calibre of HWP officers has gone downhill fast. Every matter wont be the same anyway. The circumstances around it will change leaving The law open to interpretation and requiring adjudication by a magistrate either based on precedent if there is one or, as said the interpretation of the legislation by a magistrate.

The amount of TINs and RINs that are not proceeded with at court is unbelievable these days.

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Originally Posted by toey

Are we talking albury/wadonga north/south of the boarder or a bit more distance between the two places? My first port of call would be Vic roads to confirm the car is registered n not cancelled for whatever reason. Once that is established then contact rms proving it is actually registered and ask for it to be reviewed. If you have no luck there seek some proper legal advice then go from there.

In all honesty is it really worth the hassle for the money saved? You will keep getting the same treatment over this issue by the cops n going to court May result in just more costs on top of the fine

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Yep, live in Albury, Garaged in Wodonga. Didn't see it being a hassle as i didn't expect to get fined but we'll see how this goes as to where its stays registered.

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Originally Posted by skilly

It's all in the first few lines:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registrati...evehicles.html

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One line in particular there sparks interest "Note: These are indications only and are not prescribed in law."

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Originally Posted by macca_779

My car is garaged in Vic also. I have a bike registered in NSW and have a NSW licence. My bike is my daily as my car is "stored" in Vic at my parents place most of the time. Its just a coincidence that I always seem to get RBT's on the off chance I have my car in NSW.

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Ever been hassled about it?

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Originally Posted by GTSLOVER

Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it

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Cheers for the info, good to know.

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Originally Posted by XUV

Normally they'd give you 3 months to rego it in N.S.W. if that's where you work.

Well they use too, as I've received many warnings when i'd come up from Melbourne and subby for my dad, that was 20 yrs ago, but the laws a bit anal now.

They know you're scamming, I mean defrauding , I mean living in N.S.W. , so for the sake of cheap rego you probably get a mexican license or rego your car in N.S.W.

You could try writing them a letter , but you'd incriminate yourself explaining how VicRoads told you it was o.k. to rego in vic while living in N.S.W. .......For the last 3 yrs

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Its not exactly 'scamming' though when i'm transparent in what i'm doing ie keeping it in vic so i can register it in vic, within vicroads regulations. But yeah i can see why they'd have issue with it.


Ok so went into Vic roads today and spoke with one of the more senior workers there, he said that within their regulations if its garaged in vic it should be registered in vic and what i'm doing is completely legal in their books as long as i can declare that its garaged in vic, which i can. I asked if i could find it in writing somewhere, so he went on to look it up in their book of road safety regulations and photo copied the page for me, was actually very helpful and went out of his way to find it for me.
So from here i'll write a letter to the RMS with all the relevant info and see how that goes, if that fails i'll re-assess whether i take it any further or just cop it on the chin and get on with my life.
Cheers for everybodies input and will keep you all updated!

he said, she said...... thats does not matter.
your intent was to sidestep the law, it will likely be seen that way.
pay the fine, rego in correct state and you will not get this hassle/stress/cost again.
you make your own luck

yeah fair enough, don't get me wrong i'm not here claiming it's all bullsh!t and hell bent on fighting it, i get how i ended up in this situation. Whilst yes i was trying to get in the situation that was most advantages to me, my intention was to do it within the law, and from all the advice and info i had gotten from vic roads that was the case. It is garaged in victoria and does spend most of its time in vic. Obviously this fine has thrown a spanner in the works which is why i'm looking for as much info as i can just to see where i stand. Having vic roads tell me that they believe i'm within the law is enough for me to at least write a letter to see if i can get the fine revoked. $607 isnt exactly a small fine so if theres a chance of avoiding it by writing a letter i'll give it a shot, if it gets knocked back like i said i'll most likely just pay it and move on. Will hopefully be updating my car shortly and the new one will be registered in NSW to avoid these issues!

I wouldn't be paying it, just because some stupid cop thought you were doing wrong.

As stated above that is half the problem with our cops nowdays, they have no idea about the law.

Wonder why most people have zero respect for them.

Every one of us wants to minimize our expenses by any legal method we can, ive done the same thing you have, as would anyone. It wont cost you anything but pen ink and time to contest any fine so go for it. Any one who questions your motives, well does it really matter if your motivation and action is legal? Jealousy is a curse.

I have done the same but with South Australia rego, without any dramas. though a few years ago my brother was doing the same thing and the cops said he will fine him for being unrego'd if he see's the car again never got pulled up after that.

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Originally Posted by vy2ttr

..........half the problem with our cops nowdays, they have no idea about the law.

Wonder why most people have zero respect for them.

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most people?

i think you will find most people respect the police.

Maybe on planet mathew

Not his fault there is an obvious grey area which can be exploited to his advantage.

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Originally Posted by matthewfnorbert

most people?

i think you will find most people respect the police.

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I should have stated just HWP. Other police, general duties, drug squad, the d's,swat, etc, I have no problem with. just the douchebags in hwp that generally seem to be the lower end of the gene pool. Even most police I deal with thru work think the hwp are idiots... go figure...

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Originally Posted by vy2ttr

I should have stated just HWP. Other police, general duties, drug squad, the d's,swat, etc, I have no problem with. just the douchebags in hwp that generally seem to be the lower end of the gene pool. Even most police I deal with thru work think the hwp are idiots... go figure...

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Very sweeping.....:teach:

I have never had an issue with the HWP but have with general duties but only once. They were quite abusive to myself and my wife (who was driving on her L plates at the time). I went to the station and made a complaint on that occasion. As a general statement the problem is cops get tired of copping abuse from fools and some then take that out on someone that really does not deserve it. Will be interesting to see how this ends up.